While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.

When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.

California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>
> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>
> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!

64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.

Lou

Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>>
>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>>
>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>
> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>
> Lou
>

Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.

Roger Merriman

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>

MTB double is likely to be 26/36 which is fairly standard 44t is more
Gravel bike territory, my MTB has 26/38 chainring though it’s arguably
overgeared.

The Gravel bike 32/48 which is fast enough I’m heavy enough to gain speed
well, and good enough though the bends to hold speed certainly good enough
to drop off the mountain and quite a wait before the car that was tailing
me on the flat bit makes it’s entrance!

> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>
> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on your
> car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>
you have more control freewheeling as you can move around the bike and
maximise grip or tuck in and so on.

Roger Merriman

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:07:15 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> >
> > When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> >
> > California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>
> Lou

I don't know exactly where I hit those speeds - I just noticed it on my max speed reading. There are several places it could have been where traffic wouldn't be a problem. I am not afraid of speed but I get nervous if there is traffic that is close. Of course it could be a bug in the software. For the most part on most of my rides a max speed of 80 KPH is about as fast as I go. Remember that this is HILLY. 7 or 8 years ago I would descend Palomares on the north side at 180 kph and make a 30 degree lane staying in my lane but then one time I saw a car exiting a driveway that would have been blind and then further down some horses ass was pulling out of a driveway backwards so he couldn't see if the way was clear and from that point on 80 kph became my max. But there is a 600 foot climb 3 miles from my house and the other side of that is usually wide open and you can take the traffic lane and even pass cars doing over the 45 mph speed limit.

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> >> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> >> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> >> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> >> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> >> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> >> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> >>
> >> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> >> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> >> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
> >> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> >> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> >> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> >> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> >>
> >> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> >> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> >> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
> >> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> >
> > 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> > descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> > back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> > on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
> >
> > Lou
> >
> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
>
> Roger Merriman

On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.

All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.

On 9/30/2023 6:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> 7 or 8 years ago I would descend Palomares on the north side at 180 kph ...

No you didn't, Tom. That's 111 mph. You did not do that. No paved road
is steep enough for that.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:07:15 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> >
> > When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> >
> > California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>
> Lou
By the way - for every "world record" there are probably 100 guys that have broken records and never had any officials watching. https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/List_of_cycling_records shows that a man on a standard MOUNTAIN BIKE with all of the drag that entails went 104 mph (168 kph) So I put no faith whatsoever in bicycle speeds and I am not at all surprised that I could have peaked at 64 mph someplace which is an instantaneous reading.

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 13:07:13 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>>
>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I am always
uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day while
trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately when
ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there is
traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>>
>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>
>64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>
>Lou

AND... it was 64 MPH dodging the bad places in the roads caused by
tree roots " that have lifted the pavement".

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:51:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>>>
>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>>>
>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>>
>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>>
>> Lou
>>
>
>Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
>Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
>get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
>most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
>
>Roger Merriman
>
As Tom seems to be saying that he pedals on the down hills I looked up
some figures for gear (sprocket) ratios and pedaling rates. I don't
have all the numbers but for a 50/12 tooth set at pedal rate of 100
RPM the speed is 48.45 KPH. As 64 MPH = 103 KPH so he must have been
pedaling at a rate of (103/48) X 100 = 214 rpm pedal rate.

Not bad at all for a bloke nearly 80 years old.

--
Cheers,

John B.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>>>>
>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>>>>
>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>>>
>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
>
> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
>

Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
doesn’t sound likely.

40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.

Roger Merriman

On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
>>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
>>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
>>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
>>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
>>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
>>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
>>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
>>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
>>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
>>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
>>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
>>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>>>>>
>>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
>>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
>>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
>>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>>>>
>>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
>>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
>>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
>>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>>>
>>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
>>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
>>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
>>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
>> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
>> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
>> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
>> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
>> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
>>
>> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
>>
>
>Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
>need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
>doesn’t sound likely.
>
>40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
>
>Roger Merriman

At 200 RPM I think my kneecaps would come loose and fly off.

On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
>>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
>>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
>>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
>>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
>>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
>>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
>>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
>>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
>>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
>>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
>>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
>>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>>>>>
>>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
>>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
>>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
>>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>>>>
>>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
>>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
>>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
>>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>>>
>>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
>>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
>>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
>>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
>> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
>> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
>> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
>> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
>> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
>>
>> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
>>
>
>Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
>need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
>doesn’t sound likely.
>
>40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
>
>Roger Merriman

The part that got my attention was (as above), "But I did hit 64 mph
the other day while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the
pavement."
I can't even begin to imagine someone that would do what he seems to
say is a normal practice for him.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
>>>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
>>>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
>>>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
>>>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
>>>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
>>>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
>>>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
>>>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
>>>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
>>>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
>>>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
>>>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
>>>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
>>>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
>>>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>>>>>
>>>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
>>>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
>>>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
>>>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>>
>>>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
>>>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
>>>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
>>>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
>>> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
>>> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
>>> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
>>> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
>>> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point
>>> cars can't pass you.
>>>
>>> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
>>>
>>
>> Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
>> need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
>> doesn’t sound likely.
>>
>> 40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> At 200 RPM I think my kneecaps would come loose and fly off.
>

I think some very fast track sprinters can reach that! I used to top out at
130/140 on the SS bike further back in the thread though I’d be
significantly less now!

Roger Merriman

On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 04:33:33 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
>>>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
>>>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
>>>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
>>>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
>>>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
>>>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
>>>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
>>>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
>>>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
>>>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
>>>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
>>>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
>>>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
>>>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
>>>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>>>>>
>>>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
>>>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
>>>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
>>>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>>
>>>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
>>>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
>>>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
>>>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
>>> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
>>> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
>>> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
>>> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
>>> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
>>>
>>> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
>>>
>>
>>Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
>>need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
>>doesn’t sound likely.
>>
>>40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
>>
>>Roger Merriman
>
>At 200 RPM I think my kneecaps would come loose and fly off.

Nah, it's easy. Just type 2-0-0 and if anybody tells you that's
impossible just block their posts. See? Now no one is disputing your
posts so they must be true (:-)

Or, you might have a friend ( of course you can't divulge his name )
stand on the side of the road and count the revolutions as you pass
by.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 17:52:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 04:33:33 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
>>>>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
>>>>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
>>>>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
>>>>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
>>>>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
>>>>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
>>>>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
>>>>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
>>>>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
>>>>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
>>>>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
>>>>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
>>>>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
>>>>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
>>>>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
>>>>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
>>>>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
>>>>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lou
>>>>>>
>>>>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
>>>>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
>>>>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
>>>>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
>>>> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
>>>> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
>>>> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
>>>> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
>>>> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
>>>>
>>>> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
>>>need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
>>>doesn’t sound likely.
>>>
>>>40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
>>>
>>>Roger Merriman
>>
>>At 200 RPM I think my kneecaps would come loose and fly off.
>
>Nah, it's easy. Just type 2-0-0 and if anybody tells you that's
>impossible just block their posts. See? Now no one is disputing your
>posts so they must be true (:-)

I wouldn't have to block their posts, I could just snip them and say
the posts weren't worth responding to, and call him/her a troll.

>Or, you might have a friend ( of course you can't divulge his name )
>stand on the side of the road and count the revolutions as you pass
>by.

Assuming I had a friend who would do that.

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:00:07 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> >>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> >>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> >>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> >>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> >>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> >>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> >>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> >>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
> >>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> >>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> >>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> >>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> >>>>
> >>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> >>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> >>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
> >>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> >>>
> >>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> >>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> >>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> >>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
> >>>
> >>> Lou
> >>>
> >> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
> >> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
> >> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
> >> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
> > 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
> > of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
> > section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
> > up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
> > out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
> >
> > All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
> >
> Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
> need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
> doesn’t sound likely.
>
> 40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort..
>
> Roger Merriman
If you're listening to some stupid old 90 year old fool whose life is in Thailand and who NEVER was a bicyclist perhaps you deserve the ideas you get. My Garmin noted a maximum speed of 64 mph period. If you do not want to believe that I have no power over your belief system.

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:33:39 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> >>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> >>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> >>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> >>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> >>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> >>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> >>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> >>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
> >>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> >>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> >>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> >>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> >>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> >>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
> >>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> >>>>
> >>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> >>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> >>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> >>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lou
> >>>>
> >>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
> >>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
> >>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
> >>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Merriman
> >>
> >> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
> >> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
> >> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
> >> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
> >> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
> >> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
> >>
> >> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
> >>
> >
> >Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
> >need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
> >doesn’t sound likely.
> >
> >40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
> >
> >Roger Merriman
> At 200 RPM I think my kneecaps would come loose and fly off.

You cannot do that cold, you have to build up to it. I did it several times descending hills in the big ring. I even did it once with a very strong tailwind. I don't suppose you have a whole lot of torque but you can keep up with the rear wheel.

On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:33:39?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> >>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
>> >>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
>> >>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
>> >>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
>> >>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
>> >>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
>> >>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
>> >>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
>> >>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
>> >>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
>> >>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
>> >>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
>> >>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
>> >>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
>> >>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
>> >>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
>> >>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
>> >>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
>> >>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lou
>> >>>>
>> >>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
>> >>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
>> >>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
>> >>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
>> >>>
>> >>> Roger Merriman
>> >>
>> >> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
>> >> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
>> >> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
>> >> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
>> >> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
>> >> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
>> >>
>> >> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
>> >need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
>> >doesn’t sound likely.
>> >
>> >40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
>> >
>> >Roger Merriman
>> At 200 RPM I think my kneecaps would come loose and fly off.
>
>You cannot do that cold, you have to build up to it. I did it several times descending hills in the big ring. I even did it once with a very strong tailwind. I don't suppose you have a whole lot of torque but you can keep up with the rear wheel.

Sometimes, via the Garmin, I see my cadence show my max cadence over
110. I assume it's an error. I could never crank at 200 RPM, even when
I was 25 years old. My average cadence is 50 or 60 rpm. I'm a diesel,
not an F1 racer.

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:23:40 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:00:07 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > >> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> > >>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> > >>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> > >>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> > >>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> > >>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> > >>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> > >>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> > >>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
> > >>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> > >>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> > >>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> > >>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> > >>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> > >>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
> > >>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> > >>>
> > >>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> > >>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> > >>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> > >>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lou
> > >>>
> > >> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
> > >> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
> > >> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
> > >> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Merriman
> > >
> > > On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
> > > 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
> > > of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
> > > section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
> > > up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
> > > out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
> > >
> > > All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
> > >
> > Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
> > need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
> > doesn’t sound likely.
> >
> > 40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> If you're listening to some stupid old 90 year old fool whose life is in Thailand and who NEVER was a bicyclist perhaps you deserve the ideas you get. My Garmin noted a maximum speed of 64 mph period. If you do not want to believe that I have no power over your belief system.

Whatever your Garmin noted 'But I did hit 64 mph (= 103 kmph) the other day while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement' is a claim I don't believe. That are speeds that pro riders only can reach on special descents with no traffic with their belly on the top tube.

Lou

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:27:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:33:39 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > >>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> > >>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> > >>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> > >>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> > >>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> > >>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> > >>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> > >>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> > >>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
> > >>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> > >>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> > >>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> > >>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> > >>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> > >>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
> > >>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> > >>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> > >>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> > >>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Lou
> > >>>>
> > >>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
> > >>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
> > >>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
> > >>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
> > >>>
> > >>> Roger Merriman
> > >>
> > >> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
> > >> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
> > >> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
> > >> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
> > >> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
> > >> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
> > >>
> > >> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
> > >need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
> > >doesn’t sound likely.
> > >
> > >40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
> > >
> > >Roger Merriman
> > At 200 RPM I think my kneecaps would come loose and fly off.
> You cannot do that cold, you have to build up to it. I did it several times descending hills in the big ring. I even did it once with a very strong tailwind. I don't suppose you have a whole lot of torque but you can keep up with the rear wheel.

200 rpm? No way.

Lou

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:45:36 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:33:39?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> >>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> >> >>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> >> >>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> >> >>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> >> >>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> >> >>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> >> >>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> >> >>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> >> >>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
> >> >>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> >> >>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> >> >>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> >> >>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> >> >>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> >> >>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
> >> >>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> >> >>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> >> >>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> >> >>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Lou
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
> >> >>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
> >> >>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
> >> >>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Roger Merriman
> >> >>
> >> >> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
> >> >> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
> >> >> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
> >> >> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
> >> >> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
> >> >> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
> >> >>
> >> >> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
> >> >need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
> >> >doesn’t sound likely.
> >> >
> >> >40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
> >> >
> >> >Roger Merriman
> >> At 200 RPM I think my kneecaps would come loose and fly off.
> >
> >You cannot do that cold, you have to build up to it. I did it several times descending hills in the big ring. I even did it once with a very strong tailwind. I don't suppose you have a whole lot of torque but you can keep up with the rear wheel.
> Sometimes, via the Garmin, I see my cadence show my max cadence over
> 110. I assume it's an error. I could never crank at 200 RPM, even when
> I was 25 years old. My average cadence is 50 or 60 rpm. I'm a diesel,
> not an F1 racer.
Well, that is your body and your mind. Racing over Patterson Pass most of us in the lead group on the way down into Tracy were doing 200 rpm in the 52 - 14 I don't suppose that was very fast but it was fast enough for those days. I and another guy pulled out of the toe clips. I crashed on the uphill side and he crashed on the downhill side and into a barbed wire fence. The Peloton passed us and I went down and pulled the wire out of him so that he could get up. The way he crashed he didn't tear so much as just poked the tips into his skin which stopped his motion. But I suppose that he slowed a great deal hitting the dirt before the fence. I was pretty torn up though..

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:50:41 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:23:40 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:00:07 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > >> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> > > >>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> > > >>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> > > >>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> > > >>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> > > >>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> > > >>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> > > >>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> > > >>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
> > > >>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> > > >>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> > > >>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> > > >>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> > > >>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> > > >>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
> > > >>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> > > >>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> > > >>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> > > >>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Lou
> > > >>>
> > > >> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
> > > >> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
> > > >> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
> > > >> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
> > > >>
> > > >> Roger Merriman
> > > >
> > > > On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
> > > > 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
> > > > of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
> > > > section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
> > > > up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
> > > > out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
> > > >
> > > > All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
> > > >
> > > Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
> > > need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
> > > doesn’t sound likely.
> > >
> > > 40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
> > >
> > > Roger Merriman
> > If you're listening to some stupid old 90 year old fool whose life is in Thailand and who NEVER was a bicyclist perhaps you deserve the ideas you get. My Garmin noted a maximum speed of 64 mph period. If you do not want to believe that I have no power over your belief system.
> Whatever your Garmin noted 'But I did hit 64 mph (= 103 kmph) the other day while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement' is a claim I don't believe. That are speeds that pro riders only can reach on special descents with no traffic with their belly on the top tube.
>
> Lou
The section where I dodge tree roots is a half mile from the 10% STRAIGHT downhill where Skyline Avenue ends. There is a parking lot at the end if you cannot make the turn onto Grass Valley Road. That is NOT the section where I believe I hit 64 so why are you mentioning it? 10 miles before there is a 12% downhill sweeping turn to the left where that might have occurred. The Garmin records instantaneous speeds remember. After going down that road I coast a quarter of a mile to another uphill followed by 3 miles of downhill but not that steep.

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:51:51 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:27:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:33:39 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:00:01 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > >>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >>>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> > > >>>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> > > >>>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> > > >>>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> > > >>>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> > > >>>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> > > >>>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway..
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> > > >>>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> > > >>>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement. Lately
> > > >>>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> > > >>>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> > > >>>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> > > >>>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> > > >>>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> > > >>>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
> > > >>>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> > > >>>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> > > >>>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> > > >>>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Lou
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
> > > >>> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
> > > >>> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
> > > >>> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Roger Merriman
> > > >>
> > > >> On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
> > > >> 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
> > > >> of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
> > > >> section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
> > > >> up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
> > > >> out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
> > > >>
> > > >> All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
> > > >need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
> > > >doesn’t sound likely.
> > > >
> > > >40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
> > > >
> > > >Roger Merriman
> > > At 200 RPM I think my kneecaps would come loose and fly off.
> > You cannot do that cold, you have to build up to it. I did it several times descending hills in the big ring. I even did it once with a very strong tailwind. I don't suppose you have a whole lot of torque but you can keep up with the rear wheel.
> 200 rpm? No way.
>
> Lou
The human body cannot generate a lot of torque at that speed but it can most assuredly do that.

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 5:22:26 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:50:41 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:23:40 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:00:07 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:51:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > > >> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:54:08 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > >>>> While I was in the bike shop yesterday there was another older guy
> > > > >>>> ()younger than me if looks aren't too deceiving.) And he was talking
> > > > >>>> about climbing getting too hard for him. Robby suggested an MTB double
> > > > >>>> which I believe has a 31-44. That would give him a lower gear but I
> > > > >>>> certainly have a hard time descending if I can't keep some pressure on
> > > > >>>> the pedals. That's why I have gone up to a 52-36 crank. The climber was
> > > > >>>> saying that he doesn't pedal most of the time descending anyway.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> When I am well over my crank speed and am forced to coast I do it but I
> > > > >>>> am always uncomfortable doing that. But I did hit 64 mph the other day
> > > > >>>> while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement.. Lately
> > > > >>>> when ever I do that section and am forced over into the other lane there
> > > > >>>> is traffic going the opposite direction at ridiculous speeds. So I dodge
> > > > >>>> around the tree roots and quickly dodge back into my lane before the
> > > > >>>> driver tries to swerve around me in my lane.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> California driving is getting more and more like that - at $6+ a gallon
> > > > >>>> for gas the traffic isn't LESS but more. Any accident results in the
> > > > >>>> other driver fleeing the scene. So you have to have full coverage on
> > > > >>>> your car and that is almost 25% of what I paid for the car!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 64 mph = 103 km/hr really? And you complaining about traffic while you
> > > > >>> descending like a maniak? Assuming it is true off course. Couple of weeks
> > > > >>> back I was in the Dolomites and I looked at my rides there. Max speed was
> > > > >>> on every ride between 60 and 65 km/hr and I’m not a slow descender.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Lou
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> Seems rather improbable TDF riders and even then only a select few, ie the
> > > > >> Tom Pidcock of the world plus some of the Sprinters at the back will ever
> > > > >> get close to such speeds on probably steeper hills, most will top out like
> > > > >> most of use 40ish MPH even if get the odd erroneous readings on devices.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Roger Merriman
> > > > >
> > > > > On my max speed readings I have noticed just in the last couple of weeks
> > > > > 64 mph and 52 mph. I know where the 52 mph was and it was at the bottom
> > > > > of a long drop with a tailwind. But the other must have been over a short
> > > > > section where cars are tailing you and you swoop down this road and then
> > > > > up again almost to a standstill. At this point you lead into it peaking
> > > > > out your pedaling cadence so I guess its possible there. At that point cars can't pass you.
> > > > >
> > > > > All of my high speeds are in long downhills with straight roads and long sight lines.
> > > > >
> > > > Even so as John notes you’d be doing 200 rpm and even at a 10% grade would
> > > > need significant amounts of power calculators suggest 2k which really
> > > > doesn’t sound likely.
> > > >
> > > > 40mph with occasional 50mph is much more normal 50/70 does require effort.
> > > >
> > > > Roger Merriman
> > > If you're listening to some stupid old 90 year old fool whose life is in Thailand and who NEVER was a bicyclist perhaps you deserve the ideas you get. My Garmin noted a maximum speed of 64 mph period. If you do not want to believe that I have no power over your belief system.
> > Whatever your Garmin noted 'But I did hit 64 mph (= 103 kmph) the other day while trying to dodge tree roots that have lifted the pavement' is a claim I don't believe. That are speeds that pro riders only can reach on special descents with no traffic with their belly on the top tube.
> >
> > Lou
> The section where I dodge tree roots is a half mile from the 10% STRAIGHT downhill where Skyline Avenue ends. There is a parking lot at the end if you cannot make the turn onto Grass Valley Road. That is NOT the section where I believe I hit 64 so why are you mentioning it? 10 miles before there is a 12% downhill sweeping turn to the left where that might have occurred. The Garmin records instantaneous speeds remember. After going down that road I coast a quarter of a mile to another uphill followed by 3 miles of downhill but not that steep.

I don't believe you hitting 103 km/hr. Look at Tom Pidcocks downhill and look at his speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wJn5QBvyg

You're welcome.

Lou