I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.

The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.

Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the
> downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike
> took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control
> and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to
> be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I
> fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to
> be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking
> still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by
> a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the
> cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly.
> Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>
> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I
> was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>
> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor
> blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on
> the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>

Flint will do that and indeed was used as a cutting edge.

Roger Merriman

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>
> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>
> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.

Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.

Lou

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>>
>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>>
>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>
>
>Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>
>Lou

Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
hills... where will it end.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 10/13/2023 4:05 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>>
>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>>
>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>
>
> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>
> Lou

With reference to Mr Krygowski's comment recently, I see two
replies but not Mr Kunich;s original post. (using
Thunderbird and Eternal-September)

Regarding the tire slice, Mr Holtman is correct. More,
there's no likely way a razor blade (any style) positioned
itself to slice a casing. They lie flat on the roadway.
Metal debris from passing vehicles or a complex shape of
bottle glass shard are much more likely.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 10/13/2023 5:16 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>>>
>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>>>
>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>>
>>
>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>>
>> Lou
>
> Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
> hills... where will it end.

Later today in the Global Jihad.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:05:47 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
> >
> > The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
> >
> > Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>
> Lou
It went flat immediately. The replaced tube took two seconds before blowing.. I was riding along near the end of my normal Thursday ride. I'm just lucky that there was no traffic at that moment because suddenly the bike veered out into the middle of the street. It took me several minutes to find the cut and it was virtually invisible except for what appeared to be the slight tread pattern on the Pro4. Pushing on it caused the it to open up and it appeared to be the tread sliced away from the cord of the tire though I imagine that the cord was also cut cleanly through. I had just descended 5 miles down a hill at 25 mph and I was only 7 miles from home on a 37 mile ride.. I had just topped a rise and was only going about 8 mph and heard nothing..

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:54:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/13/2023 4:05 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
> >>
> >> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
> >>
> >> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
> >
> >
> > Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
> >
> > Lou
> With reference to Mr Krygowski's comment recently, I see two
> replies but not Mr Kunich;s original post. (using
> Thunderbird and Eternal-September)
>
> Regarding the tire slice, Mr Holtman is correct. More,
> there's no likely way a razor blade (any style) positioned
> itself to slice a casing. They lie flat on the roadway.
> Metal debris from passing vehicles or a complex shape of
> bottle glass shard are much more likely.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Andrew, the cut is perfectly clean and covers one side of the tire over into the sidewall. It is so smooth a cut that you can't see it except as a barely visible line. I rotated the tire two full rotations trying to discover what caused the flat pulling out the thorns which you could tell never penetrated the cord. Then I could just barely see a line and pushed on it and perhaps a half inch of tread opened up. I will look at it more closely today to see now far in it goes.

But can you suggest anything that can produce a cut that fine without making any sounds?

On 10/13/2023 8:54 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/13/2023 4:05 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on
>>> the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the
>>> bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under
>>> control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture
>>> which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was
>>> instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But
>>> they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the
>>> source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the
>>> tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread
>>> was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area
>>> that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and
>>> 1750 feet of climbing.
>>>
>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time
>>> I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>>>
>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a
>>> razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight
>>> pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>>
>>
>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can
>> tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>>
>> Lou
>
> With reference to Mr Krygowski's comment recently, I see two replies but
> not Mr Kunich;s original post. (using Thunderbird and Eternal-September)

Same here.

> Regarding the tire slice, Mr Holtman is correct. More, there's no likely
> way a razor blade (any style) positioned itself to slice a casing. They
> lie flat on the roadway. Metal debris from passing vehicles or a complex
> shape of bottle glass shard are much more likely.

Agreed.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:56:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:54:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 10/13/2023 4:05 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
> > >>
> > >> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
> > >>
> > >> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
> > >
> > >
> > > Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > With reference to Mr Krygowski's comment recently, I see two
> > replies but not Mr Kunich;s original post. (using
> > Thunderbird and Eternal-September)
> >
> > Regarding the tire slice, Mr Holtman is correct. More,
> > there's no likely way a razor blade (any style) positioned
> > itself to slice a casing. They lie flat on the roadway.
> > Metal debris from passing vehicles or a complex shape of
> > bottle glass shard are much more likely.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > a...@yellowjersey.org
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Andrew, the cut is perfectly clean and covers one side of the tire over into the sidewall. It is so smooth a cut that you can't see it except as a barely visible line. I rotated the tire two full rotations trying to discover what caused the flat pulling out the thorns which you could tell never penetrated the cord. Then I could just barely see a line and pushed on it and perhaps a half inch of tread opened up. I will look at it more closely today to see now far in it goes.
>
> But can you suggest anything that can produce a cut that fine without making any sounds?

Well, I suppose it was perhaps some metal shard. The slice was divided into two areas along a single line. They entered at perhaps a 45 degree angle. I couldn't see a puncture in the cord on the inside but it must have been there because the tube had two large holes directly adjacent to one another. A patch covered them both easily.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 17:16:32 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
>hills... where will it end.

That's easy. Tom built up his Ridley Helium bicycle using a frame
that was rated for a maximum rider weight of 95kg (209lbs).
<https://www.bikeradar.com/features/the-ridley-helium-slx-is-the-lightweight-race-bike-of-your-dreams/>
"... such a lightweight frameset has a rider weight limit of 95kg"
Tom hasn't disclosed how much he weighs, but has mentioned that he is
6ft 4in tall:
<https://www.bannerhealth.com/staying-well/health-and-wellness/fitness-nutrition/ideal-weight>
<https://www.disabled-world.com/calculators-charts/height-weight.php>
The ideal weight for Tom's height would be 182 to 222 lbs (82.5 to
100.7 kgs). That overlaps the maximum rider weight for the Ridley
Helium 95 kg (209 lbs). I predicted disaster during the first ride,
but that hasn't happened. Maybe self disassembly will occur after a
few more rides.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:02:34 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly.

Tom. Are you sure you are an engineer? Engineering is done using
numbers. Your description of your latest mishap is missing some
numbers and details. If you only want to complain that the world is
out to get you, numbers are not necessary. However, if you expect
some help determining what happened, numbers are very useful.

Missing:
- Bicycle maker and model?
- Tire maker, model and size?
- Inner tube maker and size?
- Front or rear wheel?
- Tire air pressure?
- What's a "new tube"?
- What is "large enough" in numbers and units?
- Which quarter of the tire was sliced by the razor?
- Approximate air temperature?
- Approximate road condition? Any debris?

Photos are always helpful.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 07:56:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 10/13/2023 5:16 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>>>>
>>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>>>>
>>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
>> hills... where will it end.
>
>
>Later today in the Global Jihad.
>
>https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/

Sort of "sour grapes" isn't it.

First the Muslims hammer the Jews and then the Jews retaliate and
hammer the Muslims harder then they were hammered. And it just isn't
fair, we are told.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:39:48 p.m. UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 07:56:07 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 10/13/2023 5:16 AM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
> >>>>
> >>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
> >>>>
> >>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
> >>>
> >>> Lou
> >>
> >> Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
> >> hills... where will it end.
> >
> >
> >Later today in the Global Jihad.
> >
> >https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/
> Sort of "sour grapes" isn't it.
>
> First the Muslims hammer the Jews and then the Jews retaliate and
> hammer the Muslims harder then they were hammered. And it just isn't
> fair, we are told.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Proof that Israel was there first.

"A representative from Israel began: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.
When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good opportunity to have a bath!'
He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them.'
The Palestinian representative jumped up furiously and shouted, 'What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't even there then.'
The Israeli representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."

Btw, HAMAS stands for Hides Amongst Mosques And Schools

Cheers

On 10/13/2023 5:39 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 07:56:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2023 5:16 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>>> <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>>
>>> Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
>>> hills... where will it end.
>>
>>
>> Later today in the Global Jihad.
>>
>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/
>
> Sort of "sour grapes" isn't it.
>
> First the Muslims hammer the Jews and then the Jews retaliate and
> hammer the Muslims harder then they were hammered. And it just isn't
> fair, we are told.
>

Murdering hippies at a party and babies is in your opinion
equivalent to destroying weapons caches and jihadi fighters?
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 10/13/2023 6:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:39:48 p.m. UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 07:56:07 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/13/2023 5:16 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>>>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>
>>>> Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
>>>> hills... where will it end.
>>>
>>>
>>> Later today in the Global Jihad.
>>>
>>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/
>> Sort of "sour grapes" isn't it.
>>
>> First the Muslims hammer the Jews and then the Jews retaliate and
>> hammer the Muslims harder then they were hammered. And it just isn't
>> fair, we are told.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
> Proof that Israel was there first.
>
> "A representative from Israel began: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.
> When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good opportunity to have a bath!'
> He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them.'
> The Palestinian representative jumped up furiously and shouted, 'What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't even there then.'
> The Israeli representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."
>
> Btw, HAMAS stands for Hides Amongst Mosques And Schools
>
> Cheers

We're at an absurdist constructed point where Judea is
renamed 'west bank' to exclude Jews.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 16:13:27 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
<i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:39:48?p.m. UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 07:56:07 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 10/13/2023 5:16 AM, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Lou
>> >>
>> >> Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
>> >> hills... where will it end.
>> >
>> >
>> >Later today in the Global Jihad.
>> >
>> >https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/
>> Sort of "sour grapes" isn't it.
>>
>> First the Muslims hammer the Jews and then the Jews retaliate and
>> hammer the Muslims harder then they were hammered. And it just isn't
>> fair, we are told.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>Proof that Israel was there first.
>
>"A representative from Israel began: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.
>When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good opportunity to have a bath!'
>He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them.'
>The Palestinian representative jumped up furiously and shouted, 'What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't even there then.'
>The Israeli representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."
>
>Btw, HAMAS stands for Hides Amongst Mosques And Schools
>
>Cheers

Actually the Israelites, the blokes who escaped from Egypt, weren't
there first. Both the Christian and Jewish holy books are quite
explicit that there were "others" living in the area when the Israelis
arrived from Egypt who both attacked the Israelites and were attacked
by them.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 20:02:01 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 10/13/2023 5:39 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 07:56:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/13/2023 5:16 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>>>> <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>
>>>> Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
>>>> hills... where will it end.
>>>
>>>
>>> Later today in the Global Jihad.
>>>
>>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/
>>
>> Sort of "sour grapes" isn't it.
>>
>> First the Muslims hammer the Jews and then the Jews retaliate and
>> hammer the Muslims harder then they were hammered. And it just isn't
>> fair, we are told.
>>
>
>Murdering hippies at a party and babies is in your opinion
>equivalent to destroying weapons caches and jihadi fighters?

??????

In the most recent episode the "Palestinians", i.e., people from Gaza,
fired a large number of rockets, said to be as many as 5,000, into
Israeli held territory and followed it with an invasion by armed
forces. And, surprisingly, the Israelis replied.

As for Jihad fighters? Are you talking about America in the late
1700's? "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my
country."
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 3:05:13 AM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/13/2023 6:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

> >
> > "A representative from Israel began: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.
> > When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good opportunity to have a bath!'
> > He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them.'
> > The Palestinian representative jumped up furiously and shouted, 'What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't even there then.'
> > The Israeli representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."
> >
> > Btw, HAMAS stands for Hides Amongst Mosques And Schools
> >
> > Cheers
> We're at an absurdist constructed point where Judea is
> renamed 'west bank' to exclude Jews.

Huhh? How is the situation with the native Americans going? Just asking.

Lou

On 10/13/2023 9:20 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 20:02:01 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2023 5:39 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 07:56:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/13/2023 5:16 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>>>>> <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
>>>>> hills... where will it end.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Later today in the Global Jihad.
>>>>
>>>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/
>>>
>>> Sort of "sour grapes" isn't it.
>>>
>>> First the Muslims hammer the Jews and then the Jews retaliate and
>>> hammer the Muslims harder then they were hammered. And it just isn't
>>> fair, we are told.
>>>
>>
>> Murdering hippies at a party and babies is in your opinion
>> equivalent to destroying weapons caches and jihadi fighters?
>
> ??????
>
> In the most recent episode the "Palestinians", i.e., people from Gaza,
> fired a large number of rockets, said to be as many as 5,000, into
> Israeli held territory and followed it with an invasion by armed
> forces. And, surprisingly, the Israelis replied.
>
> As for Jihad fighters? Are you talking about America in the late
> 1700's? "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my
> country."

A leap there.

I see substantive differences between Nathan Hale or Andrea
Doria or El Cid and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or Timothy McVeigh.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 10/14/2023 4:54 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 3:05:13 AM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/13/2023 6:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>
>>>
>>> "A representative from Israel began: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.
>>> When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good opportunity to have a bath!'
>>> He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them.'
>>> The Palestinian representative jumped up furiously and shouted, 'What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't even there then.'
>>> The Israeli representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."
>>>
>>> Btw, HAMAS stands for Hides Amongst Mosques And Schools
>>>
>>> Cheers
>> We're at an absurdist constructed point where Judea is
>> renamed 'west bank' to exclude Jews.
>
>
> Huhh? How is the situation with the native Americans going? Just asking.
>
> Lou

A complex problem of institutional victimhood promoted by
people who ought to know better.

But historically not different from Dutch East Indies.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 6:02:11 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/13/2023 5:39 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 07:56:07 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/13/2023 5:16 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> >>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:02:36?AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> I did the ride out to Pleasanton over rough roads going very fast on the downhills. Returning I got almost back into Castro Valley and the bike took off into the middle of the road. I carefully got it under control and pulled off of the road.. While looking for the puncture which had to be pretty large since it didn't make any sounds and was instantly flat I fond a lot of thorns (it is thorn time of year.) But they all seemed to be stopped by the cord of the tire and not the source of a flat. Looking still closer I found that a quarter of the tire had been sliced as if by a razor in such a manner that the tread was almost peeled off and the cord cut through in a large enough area that the new tube blew instantly. Called the wife again. 37 miles and 1750 feet of climbing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The morning was cold enough that I dressed warm and then by the time I was walking again the direct sun made the air in the high 70's.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Who in the hell throws razor blades out on the road? It had to be a razor blade because you couldn't see the slice except as a slight pattern on the tire until you squeezed the tire around there.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Didn't make any sound? A blown tube will make definitely a sound I can tell you that. It is like a gun shot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lou
> >>>
> >>> Batteries failing, razor blades scattered across the road, 65 mph down
> >>> hills... where will it end.
> >>
> >>
> >> Later today in the Global Jihad.
> >>
> >> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/
> >
> > Sort of "sour grapes" isn't it.
> >
> > First the Muslims hammer the Jews and then the Jews retaliate and
> > hammer the Muslims harder then they were hammered. And it just isn't
> > fair, we are told.
> >
> Murdering hippies at a party and babies is in your opinion
> equivalent to destroying weapons caches and jihadi fighters?
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

You're talking to a wall. Remember, the high point in Slocomb's life was taking maintenance reports from crews and sending them to the appropriate shops. He loves the fact that Flunky and the others respect his opinions.

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 5:52:50 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/14/2023 4:54 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 3:05:13 AM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 10/13/2023 6:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> "A representative from Israel began: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.
> >>> When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good opportunity to have a bath!'
> >>> He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them.'
> >>> The Palestinian representative jumped up furiously and shouted, 'What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't even there then.'
> >>> The Israeli representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."
> >>>
> >>> Btw, HAMAS stands for Hides Amongst Mosques And Schools
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >> We're at an absurdist constructed point where Judea is
> >> renamed 'west bank' to exclude Jews.
> >
> >
> > Huhh? How is the situation with the native Americans going? Just asking..
> >
> > Lou
> A complex problem of institutional victimhood promoted by
> people who ought to know better.
>
> But historically not different from Dutch East Indies.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Isn't easy to imply that a movement to colonize foreign countries is institutionally wrong? In fact the numbers of American Indians displaced were miniscule and most lived improved lives with the arrival of the colonists. That is a lot more than could be said of the Dutch East Indies company which was formed entirely to take every possible advantage of less civilized people.

On 10/14/2023 8:52 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/14/2023 4:54 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> How is the situation with the native Americans going? Just asking.
>>
>> Lou
>
> A complex problem of institutional victimhood promoted by people who
> ought to know better.
>
> But historically not different from Dutch East Indies.

These conflicts, conquests and oppressions seem to have been going on
almost everywhere, at almost every scale, almost forever. Heck, I can
remember when the kids on "our" street didn't want to go to the next
street because that was "their" street.

In one of Jared Diamond's books, he pointed out that throughout human
history, if one man in a jungle came across an unknown man from an
unknown group, he'd need some excuse to not kill him.

I think that's only a slight exaggeration of a trait that's hard wired
into human brains - as well as the brains of most species.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:00:53 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 10/14/2023 8:52 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/14/2023 4:54 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> How is the situation with the native Americans going? Just asking.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> A complex problem of institutional victimhood promoted by people who
>> ought to know better.
>>
>> But historically not different from Dutch East Indies.
>
>These conflicts, conquests and oppressions seem to have been going on
>almost everywhere, at almost every scale, almost forever. Heck, I can
>remember when the kids on "our" street didn't want to go to the next
>street because that was "their" street.
>
>In one of Jared Diamond's books, he pointed out that throughout human
>history, if one man in a jungle came across an unknown man from an
>unknown group, he'd need some excuse to not kill him.
>
>I think that's only a slight exaggeration of a trait that's hard wired
>into human brains - as well as the brains of most species.

Ah, yes, Jared Diamond. Isn't he the guy who surmised that humanity
would be better off if we still lived in the jungle and ate worms,
bugs, and each other?