On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:14:34 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>Mike Monett wrote:
>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Monett wrote:
>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Monett wrote:
>>>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer
>>>>>>> that we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It's a glass
>>>>>>> jar holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated
>>>>>>> steel electrodes that get dunked into the water. They're covered by
>>>>>>> a Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from
>>>>>>> the boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in
>>>>>>> the water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the
>>>>>>> electrodes.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire's disease or
>>>>>>> lime dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I seached EBay and found one that seems to be like it. The shipping
>>>> from the States was $50, which is outrageous and I refuse to pay.
>>>
>>> There are some for cheaper.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I found a steamer at Amazon. It has a small chamber with a heating
>>>> element
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07GQ2CF4T/
>>>>
>>>> The calcium appears to stay in the water and attaches to the element,
>>>> just like in an electric kettle. Boiling vinegar for a few minutes
>>>> should clean it out. I'll try your trick of turning power off before
>>>> the chamber is empty.
>>>
>>> The nice thing about the DeVilbiss 145 is that the water is heated by
>>> passing AC through it (the electrodes are directly connected to the
>>> mains), so that happens automatically.
>>
>> Yes. That would make it easy to DIY, but impossible to pass UL.
>>
>>> I very rarely need to use it for more than a week at a time, so I've
>>> never had it crud up on me. Dunno what it's like in continual use.
>>
>> As I think of it now, the output will drop since the current decreases as
>> the water level drops. This will make it impossible to maintain a constant
>> humidity level. Do you ever monitor the humidity? Digital hygrometers are
>> very cheap on EBay. For example:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/363794102205
>
>Not usually. The vapourizer output is more nearly constant than you'd
>think, because the concentration of dissolved solids goes up as the
>water level goes down. It does decrease when the electrodes are nearly
>out of the water.
>>
>> I have a bunch that I use everywhere, and I have given a bunch away. I even
>> monitor the humidity in the vegetable bin in the fridges. (I have two) You
>> really need these in Canada when the temperature gets down to -30C.
>>
>>>> The problem with this method is trying to control the output. It claims
>>>> to be able to adjust the output to give 24 hrs of run time. This would
>>>> make it identical to my ultrasonic mister, which keeps the humidity at
>>>> 40%, which is perfect.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much for your post and helpful reply. Hopefully this will
>>>> get rid of the fine coating all over everything.
>>>
>>> Not to mention all the mould spores and Legionella. ;)
>>
>> The dash of bleach used to prevent slime buildup on the regulator valve
>> would eliminate any bacteria or viruses. I don't know where any mold spores
>> would come from. We get our water from an acquifer that filters lake water
>> through thousands of feet of silt and sand.
>>
>> Incidentally, I caught Legionella on a trip to Singapore. Almost died
>> untill the doctor called and asked me to come into his office. Turns out he
>> had misread my chest X-ray and decided to check it again. If he had not, I
>> was a goner. Actually, it's not a bad way to go. Very peaceful, with
>> beautiful music on the way out.
>
>Sir William Osler famously called pneumonia "the old man's friend."
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

From the Game of Thrones:

What do you say to the god of death?

Not today.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote in
news:XnsAE779C309CF91idtokenpost@144.76.35.252:

> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the
>> pipes. The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>
> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the
> city supply uses copper, pvc or abs.
>
> Limestone is Calcium carbonate, CaCO3.
>
> This leaves a white film all over everything in an ultrasonic
> humidifier.
>
> A boiling water steamer leaves the calcium on the heating element.
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07GQ2CF4T/
>
> The calcium is removed by boiling a small amount of vinegar in the
> chamber.
>
> Calcium carbonate : CaCO3
> Vinegar (acetic acid) : CH3COOH
> Calcium acetate : Ca(CH3COO)2
> Water : H2O
> Carbon Dioxide : CO2
>
> CaCO3(s) + 2CH3COOH(l) --> Ca(CH3COO)2(s) + H2O(l) + CO2(g)
>
And "Zero Water" filter gets it all before you place it into your
cooking appliances. My water pot gets no calcifications

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:14:19 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>Mike Monett wrote:
>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Monett wrote:
>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer
>>>>> that we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It's a glass
>>>>> jar holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated
>>>>> steel electrodes that get dunked into the water. They're covered by a
>>>>> Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
>>>>> boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.
>>>>>
>>>>> The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in
>>>>> the water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire's disease or lime
>>>>> dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>
>>>> How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?
>>
>> [...]
>>
>
>> I seached EBay and found one that seems to be like it. The shipping from
>> the States was $50, which is outrageous and I refuse to pay.
>
>There are some for cheaper.
>
>>
>> I found a steamer at Amazon. It has a small chamber with a heating element
>>
>> <https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07GQ2CF4T/>

It's US $90 (if the website converts, as many do), shipping included.

>> The calcium appears to stay in the water and attaches to the element, just
>> like in an electric kettle. Boiling vinegar for a few minutes should clean
>> it out. I'll try your trick of turning power off before the chamber is
>> empty.
>
>The nice thing about the DeVilbiss 145 is that the water is heated by
>passing AC through it (the electrodes are directly connected to the
>mains), so that happens automatically.
>
>I very rarely need to use it for more than a week at a time, so I've
>never had it crud up on me. Dunno what it's like in continual use.
>
>> The problem with this method is trying to control the output. It claims to
>> be able to adjust the output to give 24 hrs of run time. This would make it
>> identical to my ultrasonic mister, which keeps the humidity at 40%, which
>> is perfect.
>>
>> Thanks very much for your post and helpful reply. Hopefully this will get
>> rid of the fine coating all over everything.
>
>Not to mention all the mould spores and Legionella. ;)

Yes. I just ordered an old DeVbliss 145 on ebay for about US $68,
including shipping. Looks to be in perfect condition.

Someone listed the relevant patent, US 2,818,486, which is mainly
about the inventors discovering that nickel-free stainless steel
lasted basically forever, unlike far more expensive kinds of stainless
steel.

The modern alloy equivalent is Type 430, which McMaster sells for
small dollars. It is soft and easily cut with tinsnips. (Series 200
and 300 alloys will corrode badly in this application.)

It would be easy the duplicate the patent using glass-epoxy PWB sheets
glued together with slow-cure epoxy, like Araldite or Hankel's
equivalent in the US, Loctite slow cure, enclosed in a polypropylene
container of some kind.

Joe Gwinn

On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>
> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city supply
> uses copper, pvc or abs.

More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.

--
Jasen.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:55:42 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:06:34 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer that
>>>> we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It's a glass jar
>>>> holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
>>>> electrodes that get dunked into the water. They're covered by a
>>>> Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
>>>> boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.
>>>>
>>>> The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in the
>>>> water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)
>>>>
>>>> Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire's disease or lime
>>>> dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.
>>>>
>>>> It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>
>>> How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?
>>>
>>> My ultrasonic mister takes about 24 hrs to evaporate 4 litres, which is
>>> 1.06 gallons. This raises the humidity from 20% to 40% and stops the
>>> chapped lips and sore sinuses. The white film that covers everything is
>>> harmless and is a small price to pay, but I wonder if a steamer could
>>> do as
>>> well.
>>
>> It would increase the temperature, so you'd then need to use AC which
>> would remove the humidity!
>
> Not a big problem in the parts of Canada that are very dry in the winter. ;)

Dry and cold don't go together well. Cold always means 100% RH.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 07:16:06 +0100, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

> On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>>
>> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city supply
>> uses copper, pvc or abs.
>
> More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.

Wooden pipes WTF?

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 20:21:14 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>
> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city supply
> uses copper, pvc or abs.

ABS can be plastic, anti lock brakes, or a sexy stomach.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:15:08 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:01:47 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 20:53:43 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck
>>>>> <eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Don't ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
>>>>> >> not if one uses good distilled water.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yes, they do, extensively.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
>>>>> > flames became orange/red, see for a test:
>>>>> > <https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-
>>>>> > on-gas-flame.mp4> So, after I edited that shit to remove the
>>>>> > pointless <>, I find some idiot putting damp air into a gas flame,
>>>>> > what was your point? I find distilled water at EUR 0.5 / liter too
>>>>> > expensive for using up to 5 liters per day...
>>>>> I find no such problems. All it does is make the air more humid. Why
>>>>> the fuck would that cause deposits?
>>>>
>>>> because it doesn't turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and
>>>> what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air
>>>
>>> I am 80 and live in Canada, a cold climate. When the temperature is low, there
>>> is very little humidity in the air. This means the relative humidity indoors is
>>> very low and gets down to 20% or below.
>>>
>>> Low humidity causes chapped lips, sore sinuses, and greatly increased
>>> vulnerability to virus and bacterial infections. 30% to 50% RH solves these
>>> problems.
>>
>> I got mine for the parrots.
>>
>>> I bought an Ultrasonic Top Fill Humidifier from Amazon Canada:
>>> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B09KRCS7R7
>>>
>>> This has no problem maintaining the humidity at 40%, but I discovered some
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> 1. Ordinary tap water contains calcium. This covers everything with a fine dust.
>>> It looks awful but it is harmless and is easily wiped off. Obviously, you breath
>>> this in.
>>
>> I'm in a soft water area, virtually none of that. I'm surprised water companies aren't required to remove that shit so it doesn't scale up kettles., washing machines etc.
>
> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.

Amazing they can't just make it pure. This is the 21st century right?

On 2022-04-13, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 07:16:06 +0100, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>>>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>>>
>>> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city supply
>>> uses copper, pvc or abs.
>>
>> More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.
>
> Wooden pipes WTF?

Remarkably (you did), although over a century old, there are still
wooden pipes in service in some places; either stave pipes (constructed
like long barrels), or single-piece pipes, ( a log bored lengthwise).
If you do a search, for "wooden water pipes" you will find plenty of
information.

@Peeler GFY.

--
Jasen.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:21:14 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

>John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>
>We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city supply
>uses copper, pvc or abs.

Older houses here usually had threaded iron pipes. The limestone
coated them to protect them from rust, but in ca 100 years built up
enough to restrict flow. That could be snaked out. I did that in our
old (1892) house.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:16:06 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
<usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

>On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>>
>> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city supply
>> uses copper, pvc or abs.
>
>More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.

Or sometimes vitrified clay here, flower pot material. Very fragile.

Wood pipes in Dutch Flat, CA:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezi7utkoldlbofv/AADyOUIheVZMS0P3J_vFEjpfa?dl=0

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:06:14 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:15:08 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:01:47 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
>> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 20:53:43 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> mandag den 11. april 2022 kl. 16.53.13 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:47:19 +0100, Arie de Muijnck
>>>>>> <eternal....@ademu.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On 2022-04-11 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Don't ultrasonic humidifiers cause mineral deposition nearby? Maybe
>>>>>> >> not if one uses good distilled water.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Yes, they do, extensively.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I had the environment covered in a fine dust within weeks.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Even stranger, in the kitchen at the other end of the apartment, gas
>>>>>> > flames became orange/red, see for a test:
>>>>>> > <https://ademu.home.xs4all.nl/Humidifier/Ultrasonic-humidifier-effect-
>>>>>> > on-gas-flame.mp4> So, after I edited that shit to remove the
>>>>>> > pointless <>, I find some idiot putting damp air into a gas flame,
>>>>>> > what was your point? I find distilled water at EUR 0.5 / liter too
>>>>>> > expensive for using up to 5 liters per day...
>>>>>> I find no such problems. All it does is make the air more humid. Why
>>>>>> the fuck would that cause deposits?
>>>>>
>>>>> because it doesn't turn the water into vapor, it turns the water, and
>>>>> what ever minerals in it, into tiny droplets and spread them in the air
>>>>
>>>> I am 80 and live in Canada, a cold climate. When the temperature is low, there
>>>> is very little humidity in the air. This means the relative humidity indoors is
>>>> very low and gets down to 20% or below.
>>>>
>>>> Low humidity causes chapped lips, sore sinuses, and greatly increased
>>>> vulnerability to virus and bacterial infections. 30% to 50% RH solves these
>>>> problems.
>>>
>>> I got mine for the parrots.
>>>
>>>> I bought an Ultrasonic Top Fill Humidifier from Amazon Canada:
>>>> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B09KRCS7R7
>>>>
>>>> This has no problem maintaining the humidity at 40%, but I discovered some
>>>> issues.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Ordinary tap water contains calcium. This covers everything with a fine dust.
>>>> It looks awful but it is harmless and is easily wiped off. Obviously, you breath
>>>> this in.
>>>
>>> I'm in a soft water area, virtually none of that. I'm surprised water companies aren't required to remove that shit so it doesn't scale up kettles., washing machines etc.
>>
>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>
>Amazing they can't just make it pure. This is the 21st century right?

We drink melted snow from the Hetch Hechy reservoir in the Sierras. It
is very pure and very tasty, but has a bit of natural CO2 that can
attack older iron pipes. The added carbonate protects the pipes.

Most places have water with enough dissolved minerals (and sewage and
chemicals from places upstream) to be alkaline, and taste terrible.
Lots of places, people don't drink the tap water.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:43:59 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:16:06 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
> <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>>>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>>>
>>> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city supply
>>> uses copper, pvc or abs.
>>
>> More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.
>
> Or sometimes vitrified clay here, flower pot material. Very fragile.
>
> Wood pipes in Dutch Flat, CA:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezi7utkoldlbofv/AADyOUIheVZMS0P3J_vFEjpfa?dl=0

Which one of those 15 files should I look at? This one looks metal:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezi7utkoldlbofv/AADyOUIheVZMS0P3J_vFEjpfa?dl=0&preview=Big_Mon.JPG

Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:55:42 +0100, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:06:34 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer
>>>>> that
>>>>> we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug.  It's a glass jar
>>>>> holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
>>>>> electrodes that get dunked into the water.  They're covered by a
>>>>> Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
>>>>> boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.
>>>>>
>>>>> The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in
>>>>> the
>>>>> water if needed.  (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire's disease or lime
>>>>> dust on the rug.  Cheap on eBay.  Good Medicine.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>
>>>> How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?
>>>>
>>>> My ultrasonic mister takes about 24 hrs to evaporate 4 litres, which is
>>>> 1.06 gallons. This raises the humidity from 20% to 40% and stops the
>>>> chapped lips and sore sinuses. The white film that covers everything is
>>>> harmless and is a small price to pay, but I wonder if a steamer could
>>>> do as
>>>> well.
>>>
>>> It would increase the temperature, so you'd then need to use AC which
>>> would remove the humidity!
>>
>> Not a big problem in the parts of Canada that are very dry in the
>> winter. ;)
>
> Dry and cold don't go together well.  Cold always means 100% RH.

Not indoors. And that's far from always true even outdoors--not
everywhere does cold mud as well as you Brits, after all. ;) (The Dutch
have you beat there, but not by much.)

In places like New Mexico, it's far from unusual to have sub-freezing
temperatures with single-digit RH. It's dangerous to leave your bedroom
window open even a crack in those conditions, as I found out one time
about a decade ago.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 07:16:06 +0100, Jasen Betts
> <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>>>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>>>
>>> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city
>>> supply
>>> uses copper, pvc or abs.
>>
>> More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.
>
> Wooden pipes WTF?

A wooden water main in lower Manhattan burst a few years ago--it had
been made by boring a hole along the length of a huge log. Lasted over
250 years IIRC.

Inner cities that haven't been devastated by war recently can have some
pretty old infrastructure.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:41:08 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:55:42 +0100, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:06:34 +0100, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an ancient (1960-vintage) DeVilbiss mains-powered vapourizer
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we use when somebody has a lower-respiratory bug. It's a glass jar
>>>>>> holding a gallon or so, and a Bakelite lid containing two plated steel
>>>>>> electrodes that get dunked into the water. They're covered by a
>>>>>> Bakelite cylinder with a hole in the bottom, and the steam from the
>>>>>> boiling water gets directed out a hole in the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The steam production can be regulated with a little bit of borax in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> water if needed. (Salt works but eventually eats the electrodes.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simple, works great, no moving parts, no Legionnaire's disease or lime
>>>>>> dust on the rug. Cheap on eBay. Good Medicine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does heat the room a little bit, but not enough to worry about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>>
>>>>> How long does it take to evaporate a gallon?
>>>>>
>>>>> My ultrasonic mister takes about 24 hrs to evaporate 4 litres, which is
>>>>> 1.06 gallons. This raises the humidity from 20% to 40% and stops the
>>>>> chapped lips and sore sinuses. The white film that covers everything is
>>>>> harmless and is a small price to pay, but I wonder if a steamer could
>>>>> do as
>>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> It would increase the temperature, so you'd then need to use AC which
>>>> would remove the humidity!
>>>
>>> Not a big problem in the parts of Canada that are very dry in the
>>> winter. ;)
>>
>> Dry and cold don't go together well. Cold always means 100% RH.
>
> Not indoors.

If you're indoors you can't blame the outdoors.

> And that's far from always true even outdoors--not
> everywhere does cold mud as well as you Brits, after all. ;) (The Dutch
> have you beat there, but not by much.)

I find heat is caused by sunny weather, which is dryer.

> In places like New Mexico, it's far from unusual to have sub-freezing
> temperatures with single-digit RH. It's dangerous to leave your bedroom
> window open even a crack in those conditions, as I found out one time
> about a decade ago.

Why would that be dangerous?

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:43:10 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 07:16:06 +0100, Jasen Betts
>> <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>>>>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>>>>
>>>> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city
>>>> supply
>>>> uses copper, pvc or abs.
>>>
>>> More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.
>>
>> Wooden pipes WTF?
>
> A wooden water main in lower Manhattan burst a few years ago--it had
> been made by boring a hole along the length of a huge log. Lasted over
> 250 years IIRC.
>
> Inner cities that haven't been devastated by war recently can have some
> pretty old infrastructure.

I'm surprised it's watertight, and that it doesn't rot.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:04:32 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:43:59 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:16:06 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
>> <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>>>>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>>>>
>>>> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city supply
>>>> uses copper, pvc or abs.
>>>
>>> More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.
>>
>> Or sometimes vitrified clay here, flower pot material. Very fragile.
>>
>> Wood pipes in Dutch Flat, CA:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezi7utkoldlbofv/AADyOUIheVZMS0P3J_vFEjpfa?dl=0
>
>Which one of those 15 files should I look at? This one looks metal:
>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezi7utkoldlbofv/AADyOUIheVZMS0P3J_vFEjpfa?dl=0&preview=Big_Mon.JPG
Don't look at any of them. They wouldn't interest you anyhow.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

Commander Kinsey wrote:

>
>> In places like New Mexico, it's far from unusual to have sub-freezing
>> temperatures with single-digit RH.  It's dangerous to leave your bedroom
>> window open even a crack in those conditions, as I found out one time
>> about a decade ago.
>
> Why would that be dangerous?

Glues all the parts of your throat to all the other parts. Unpleasant
waking up like that.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:54:45 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:04:32 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:43:59 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:16:06 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
>>> <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-04-12, Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>>>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Our water company adds limestone or something to protect the pipes.
>>>>>> The water supply here is naturally a bit acidic.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have copper pipes in the residences, but I don't know if the city supply
>>>>> uses copper, pvc or abs.
>>>>
>>>> More likely polyethylene, iron, lead, asbestos, or even wood.
>>>
>>> Or sometimes vitrified clay here, flower pot material. Very fragile.
>>>
>>> Wood pipes in Dutch Flat, CA:
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezi7utkoldlbofv/AADyOUIheVZMS0P3J_vFEjpfa?dl=0
>>
>> Which one of those 15 files should I look at? This one looks metal:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezi7utkoldlbofv/AADyOUIheVZMS0P3J_vFEjpfa?dl=0&preview=Big_Mon.JPG
>Don't look at any of them. They wouldn't interest you anyhow.

Anyway, please learn basic English.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 17:02:41 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
>>
>>> In places like New Mexico, it's far from unusual to have sub-freezing
>>> temperatures with single-digit RH. It's dangerous to leave your bedroom
>>> window open even a crack in those conditions, as I found out one time
>>> about a decade ago.
>>
>> Why would that be dangerous?
>
> Glues all the parts of your throat to all the other parts. Unpleasant
> waking up like that.

I find it best to breathe through your nose in unpleasant air. Yor nose warms and dampens the air ready for the lungs.

And why did you say dangerous when you meant unpleasant?

Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 17:02:41 +0100, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> In places like New Mexico, it's far from unusual to have sub-freezing
>>>> temperatures with single-digit RH.  It's dangerous to leave your
>>>> bedroom
>>>> window open even a crack in those conditions, as I found out one time
>>>> about a decade ago.
>>>
>>> Why would that be dangerous?
>>
>> Glues all the parts of your throat to all the other parts.  Unpleasant
>> waking up like that.
>
> I find it best to breathe through your nose in unpleasant air.  Yor nose
> warms and dampens the air ready for the lungs.
>
> And why did you say dangerous when you meant unpleasant?

Because I almost choked to death.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 18:01:23 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 17:02:41 +0100, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In places like New Mexico, it's far from unusual to have sub-freezing
>>>>> temperatures with single-digit RH. It's dangerous to leave your
>>>>> bedroom
>>>>> window open even a crack in those conditions, as I found out one time
>>>>> about a decade ago.
>>>>
>>>> Why would that be dangerous?
>>>
>>> Glues all the parts of your throat to all the other parts. Unpleasant
>>> waking up like that.
>>
>> I find it best to breathe through your nose in unpleasant air. Yor nose
>> warms and dampens the air ready for the lungs.
>>
>> And why did you say dangerous when you meant unpleasant?
>
> Because I almost choked to death.

Nobody's that fragile. Imagine the animals outside....

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 08:59:40 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 18:01:23 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 17:02:41 +0100, Phil Hobbs
>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In places like New Mexico, it's far from unusual to have sub-freezing
>>>>>> temperatures with single-digit RH. It's dangerous to leave your
>>>>>> bedroom
>>>>>> window open even a crack in those conditions, as I found out one time
>>>>>> about a decade ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would that be dangerous?
>>>>
>>>> Glues all the parts of your throat to all the other parts. Unpleasant
>>>> waking up like that.
>>>
>>> I find it best to breathe through your nose in unpleasant air. Yor nose
>>> warms and dampens the air ready for the lungs.
>>>
>>> And why did you say dangerous when you meant unpleasant?
>>
>> Because I almost choked to death.
>
>Nobody's that fragile. Imagine the animals outside....

I'm sure glad you don't design electronics.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 15:28:31 +0100, <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 08:59:40 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 18:01:23 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 17:02:41 +0100, Phil Hobbs
>>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In places like New Mexico, it's far from unusual to have sub-freezing
>>>>>>> temperatures with single-digit RH. It's dangerous to leave your
>>>>>>> bedroom
>>>>>>> window open even a crack in those conditions, as I found out one time
>>>>>>> about a decade ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would that be dangerous?
>>>>>
>>>>> Glues all the parts of your throat to all the other parts. Unpleasant
>>>>> waking up like that.
>>>>
>>>> I find it best to breathe through your nose in unpleasant air. Yor nose
>>>> warms and dampens the air ready for the lungs.
>>>>
>>>> And why did you say dangerous when you meant unpleasant?
>>>
>>> Because I almost choked to death.
>>
>> Nobody's that fragile. Imagine the animals outside....
>
> I'm sure glad you don't design electronics.

WTF has that do with the breathing of animals?