Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

> On 2022-04-29 10:15, Mike Monett wrote:
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/27/2022 11:32 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
>>>> Why does Canadian Tire require one specific browser?
>>>
>>> Simply put, because they don't care or the website was developed by
>>> someone's cousin's kid. Looking at their page source they're not doing
>>> anything fancy.
>>
>> Youtube settings now requires Chrome. [...]
>>
>> [...]
>
> Of course it does. There's a ferocious battle for web dominance going
> on. Every clan continually invents new tricks to render the opposition's
> software inoperative, influencing people to switch to /their/ version.
> They will then abuse that to pry private information out of you, and
> spray you with propaganda to manipulate you to commercial and political
> ends. With billions of subjects, the stakes are staggering and the
> tiniest details can have huge effects.
>
> Jeroen Belleman

Android is probably responsible for most of the shift to Chrome.

For the rest of us, Ublock Plus is very effective at eliminating ads.

e4ward.com and Pimmy are very effective at eliminating spam.

Ubuntu and VirtualBox are very effective at maintaining multiple
configurations (XP, Win7, Chrome, etc.)

SysInternals is very effective at eliminating Malware and 100% CPU
problems.

We have much stronger defenses than the opposition.

--
MRM

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On 04/29/2022 02:24 AM, Tauno Voipio wrote:
>> On 29.4.22 11.15, Mike Monett wrote:
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/27/2022 11:32 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
>>>>> Why does Canadian Tire require one specific browser?
>>>>
>>>> Simply put, because they don't care or the website was developed by
>>>> someone's cousin's kid. Looking at their page source they're not
>>>> doing anything fancy.
>>>
>>> Youtube settings now requires Chrome. Firefox 96.0.2 no longer works.
>>>
>>> It looks like more companies are going the way of Android. They think
>>> everyone has a cellphone. Forget about desktops. They don't count.
>>>
>>> I wonder if posting a suggestion to Mozilla would do any good.
>>>
>>> First, I'll try the latest and greatest version of Firefox.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, that means I have to bypass the update restriction I
>>> have in
>>> the registry.
>>>
>>> It also means I would be stuck with the update, even if it destroys
>>> other features that I need.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, I am running on VirtualBox, which means I can restore any
>>> previous version simply by reloading the .VDI file.
>>>
>>> Everyone should be on VirtualBox!
>>
>>
>> Your Firefox may be obsolete, the settings work fine on 99.0.1.
>>
>
> No problem here with 99.0.1 on OpenSUSE either. The only problem I've
> had lately is Amazon Prime video not working with Brave so I used Edge.
> I think that may be Brave's privacy enhancements and I could have worked
> around somehow.

Thanks. I have 99.0.1 but hesitated to use it since it opens a lot more
threads than 96.0.2. Now that I have solved the 100% CPU problems on
YouTube, it might be worth trying it again.

--
MRM

Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

[...]

>>> Your Firefox may be obsolete, the settings work fine on 99.0.1.
>>>
>>
>> No problem here with 99.0.1 on OpenSUSE either. The only problem I've
>> had lately is Amazon Prime video not working with Brave so I used Edge.
>> I think that may be Brave's privacy enhancements and I could have worked
>> around somehow.
>
> Thanks. I have 99.0.1 but hesitated to use it since it opens a lot more
> threads than 96.0.2. Now that I have solved the 100% CPU problems on
> YouTube, it might be worth trying it again.

OK, I upgraded to 99.0.1. It has three more threads than 96.0.2 and takes
about 70 MB more memory.

To eliminate 100% CPU problem on Youtube, I disabled the following:

Start -> services.msc: disable

Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
Media Center Extender Service
Microsoft .NET Framework
Net.Msmq Listener Adapter
Net.Pipe Listener Adapter
Net.Tcp Listener Adapter
Net.Tcp Port Sharing Service
Routing and Remote Access
Superfetch
Windows Defender
Windows Firewall
Windows Installer
Windows Media Center Receiver Service
Windows Media Center Scheduler Service
Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service
Windows Modules Installer
Windows Remote Management
Windows Search
Windows Update

Now Youtube Settings and Canadian Tire don't work:

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/bow-cpvc-pipe-0631902p.0631902.html

It looks like I overdid it on disabling services. However, I won't need to
change the Youtube Settings, and if I ever need to order from Canadian Tire
again, I can reload the Chrome .VDI

I will probably go back to 96.0.2 and recover the 70 MB of memory. Note
that Firefox will not allow you to downgrade. You lose your profile. There
are ways around it, but VirtualBox is much simpler and faster.

--
MRM

On 4/28/2022 4:49 PM, boB wrote:
> I save my bookmarks to a file once in a while.

I have found that *most* of my bookmarks are rarely revisited. Or, by
the time I decide to followup on something I "stumbled upon", the page
has moved.

Mortal of story, copy content as you encounter it instead of expecting
it to be there when you later want it.

> For cookie and tracking mitigation, Privacy Badger takes care of that.

Ghostery and AdBlock Plus with an overzealous censorship of script domains.

> I used to use FF and Noscript but it got kind of annoying to unblock
> things after a while.

The obvious upgrade to NS will be to track settings per site so you
don't have to manually reimpose them. Of course, there's no guarantee
that what "works" for a site, today, will continue to work, tomorrow.
But, that's the nature of server-side "apps"...

When you consider the dynamic nature of the standards and the motivation
of advertisers to "seize your eyes", it's a wonder that any of these
mechanisms are effective, at all!

On 04/29/2022 12:30 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On 04/29/2022 02:24 AM, Tauno Voipio wrote:
>>> On 29.4.22 11.15, Mike Monett wrote:
>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/27/2022 11:32 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
>>>>>> Why does Canadian Tire require one specific browser?
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put, because they don't care or the website was developed by
>>>>> someone's cousin's kid. Looking at their page source they're not
>>>>> doing anything fancy.
>>>>
>>>> Youtube settings now requires Chrome. Firefox 96.0.2 no longer works.
>>>>
>>>> It looks like more companies are going the way of Android. They think
>>>> everyone has a cellphone. Forget about desktops. They don't count.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if posting a suggestion to Mozilla would do any good.
>>>>
>>>> First, I'll try the latest and greatest version of Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, that means I have to bypass the update restriction I
>>>> have in
>>>> the registry.
>>>>
>>>> It also means I would be stuck with the update, even if it destroys
>>>> other features that I need.
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately, I am running on VirtualBox, which means I can restore any
>>>> previous version simply by reloading the .VDI file.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone should be on VirtualBox!
>>>
>>>
>>> Your Firefox may be obsolete, the settings work fine on 99.0.1.
>>>
>>
>> No problem here with 99.0.1 on OpenSUSE either. The only problem I've
>> had lately is Amazon Prime video not working with Brave so I used Edge.
>> I think that may be Brave's privacy enhancements and I could have worked
>> around somehow.
>
> Thanks. I have 99.0.1 but hesitated to use it since it opens a lot more
> threads than 96.0.2. Now that I have solved the 100% CPU problems on
> YouTube, it might be worth trying it again.
>
>
>
>
>

99 seems a lot more civilized than previous versions as far as using
CPU. I've seen it briefly kick up to 45% usually with a lot of 'Isolated
Web Content' processes. Watching in top, those come and go even with the
browser just sitting there. It used to be so bad that I would be lucky
if I could get to a console to start killing it.

On 04/29/2022 01:20 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
> I will probably go back to 96.0.2 and recover the 70 MB of memory. Note
> that Firefox will not allow you to downgrade. You lose your profile. There
> are ways around it, but VirtualBox is much simpler and faster.

Thunderbird on Windows did that to me once. There was a major upgrade
that did not function on my system. Getting back to what did work was
painful. I should be used to that. At least Visual Studio warned that if
you upgraded your solution you ain't never going back.

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 16:58:31 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 4/28/2022 4:49 PM, boB wrote:
>> I save my bookmarks to a file once in a while.
>
>I have found that *most* of my bookmarks are rarely revisited. Or, by
>the time I decide to followup on something I "stumbled upon", the page
>has moved.
>
>Mortal of story, copy content as you encounter it instead of expecting
>it to be there when you later want it.

I actually do this for some sites and things I do want to save. Save
them as PDF. None of the browsers really allow you to save a file as
shown anymore so I donated to and use FireShot which really works
well.

Once in a great while you can print to PDF from a browser but only
very simple pages. Just try to "print" a web page these days.
Last time I tried a couple years ago, none of the browsers I tried
worked worth a darn.

boB

>
>> For cookie and tracking mitigation, Privacy Badger takes care of that.
>
>Ghostery and AdBlock Plus with an overzealous censorship of script domains.
>
>> I used to use FF and Noscript but it got kind of annoying to unblock
>> things after a while.
>
>The obvious upgrade to NS will be to track settings per site so you
>don't have to manually reimpose them. Of course, there's no guarantee
>that what "works" for a site, today, will continue to work, tomorrow.
>But, that's the nature of server-side "apps"...
>
>When you consider the dynamic nature of the standards and the motivation
>of advertisers to "seize your eyes", it's a wonder that any of these
>mechanisms are effective, at all!
>

On 4/30/2022 12:08 AM, boB wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 16:58:31 -0700, Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 4/28/2022 4:49 PM, boB wrote:
>>> I save my bookmarks to a file once in a while.
>>
>> I have found that *most* of my bookmarks are rarely revisited. Or, by
>> the time I decide to followup on something I "stumbled upon", the page
>> has moved.
>>
>> Mortal of story, copy content as you encounter it instead of expecting
>> it to be there when you later want it.
>
> I actually do this for some sites and things I do want to save. Save
> them as PDF. None of the browsers really allow you to save a file as
> shown anymore so I donated to and use FireShot which really works
> well.
>
> Once in a great while you can print to PDF from a browser but only
> very simple pages. Just try to "print" a web page these days.
> Last time I tried a couple years ago, none of the browsers I tried
> worked worth a darn.

A lot depends on what you are trying to save.

E.g., A video *in* a page is a PITA to capture -- you typically need to
capture it separately and reassemble the page. And, some folks go out
of their way to make it hard to capture videos (with audio).

Some pages you're only interested in the text (sans typefaces).

Or, a particular image/illustration.

If I want to get the whole page, I resort to a screen capture tool
like SnagIt. It can capture (to varying degrees of satisfaction)
as an image or text -- and in a variety of different file formats.

Note that FF also has a "snapshot" capability (to PNGs, IIRC).

I've not sorted out why capturing (rendering) to a file is any harder
than rendering to the screen... but, clearly there is *some* issue!

OTOH, relying on the page being there at some later date is largely folly.

On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:08:17 -0700) it happened boB
<boB@K7IQ.com> wrote in <dtnp6hhon1aub5jllf5s0ooegdb5iqf4dq@4ax.com>:

>On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 16:58:31 -0700, Don Y
><blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 4/28/2022 4:49 PM, boB wrote:
>>> I save my bookmarks to a file once in a while.
>>
>>I have found that *most* of my bookmarks are rarely revisited. Or, by
>>the time I decide to followup on something I "stumbled upon", the page
>>has moved.
>>
>>Mortal of story, copy content as you encounter it instead of expecting
>>it to be there when you later want it.
>
>I actually do this for some sites and things I do want to save. Save
>them as PDF. None of the browsers really allow you to save a file as
>shown anymore so I donated to and use FireShot which really works
>well.

I often just use
import website_name.gif

man import
import(1) import(1)
NAME
import - saves any visible window on an X server and outputs it as an image file. You can capture a single window, the entire screen, or any rectangular portion of the screen.
Linux of course.