On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I get such a kick out of watching someone who has "an intuitive grasp of concepts of differential and integral calculus and the ability to express these concepts in the form of software and firmware" blame amazon for the fact that MS updated his OS.

To be fair to Tom, he didn't write that line to describe himself. It
was part of a quote from Dr. Sean McCown, appearing on Tom's
LinkedIn.com recommendation page:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/skecNFuoSzw/m/85HA_31UAQAJ>
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>

Also, it's not clear if the Amazon access problem was caused by the MS
Win 10 update, or the Google Chrome browser update. It might have
been both. One thing for sure, it wasn't Amazon's fault since there
was no way that Amazon could have tweaked or rebooted Tom's computer
to fix the problem.

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On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 9:04:41 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I get such a kick out of watching someone who has "an intuitive grasp of concepts of differential and integral calculus and the ability to express these concepts in the form of software and firmware" blame amazon for the fact that MS updated his OS.
> To be fair to Tom, he didn't write that line to describe himself. It
> was part of a quote from Dr. Sean McCown, appearing on Tom's
> LinkedIn.com recommendation page:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/skecNFuoSzw/m/85HA_31UAQAJ>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>
>
> Also, it's not clear if the Amazon access problem was caused by the MS
> Win 10 update, or the Google Chrome browser update. It might have
> been both. One thing for sure, it wasn't Amazon's fault since there
> was no way that Amazon could have tweaked or rebooted Tom's computer
> to fix the problem.

If every other program operated but Amazon, it was Amazon's program and probably their attempt to put cookies into your system without your permission that caused this failure. The updates that didn't install without a restart had to do with blocking adding cookies without permission. You may believe that these things are harmless but we have antivirus programs to prevent it.

On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I get such a kick out of watching someone who has "an intuitive grasp of concepts of differential and integral calculus and the ability to express these concepts in the form of software and firmware" blame amazon for the fact that MS updated his OS.
> To be fair to Tom, he didn't write that line to describe himself. It
> was part of a quote from Dr. Sean McCown, appearing on Tom's
> LinkedIn.com recommendation page:

Yes, I understand that sparky didn't write that about himself. He did, however, promote it as 'proof' of his technical acumen - Acumen which any of us who really _do_ have such skill sets understand he does not have.

> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/skecNFuoSzw/m/85HA_31UAQAJ>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>
>
> Also, it's not clear if the Amazon access problem was caused by the MS
> Win 10 update, or the Google Chrome browser update. It might have
> been both.

I know that, You know that, Frank K knows that. Tommy doesn't know that. The point is, it isn't an issue with Amazon's website.

> One thing for sure, it wasn't Amazon's fault since there
> was no way that Amazon could have tweaked or rebooted Tom's computer
> to fix the problem.
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> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
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On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 12:39:27 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 9:04:41 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I get such a kick out of watching someone who has "an intuitive grasp of concepts of differential and integral calculus and the ability to express these concepts in the form of software and firmware" blame amazon for the fact that MS updated his OS.
> > To be fair to Tom, he didn't write that line to describe himself. It
> > was part of a quote from Dr. Sean McCown, appearing on Tom's
> > LinkedIn.com recommendation page:
> > <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/skecNFuoSzw/m/85HA_31UAQAJ>
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>
> >
> > Also, it's not clear if the Amazon access problem was caused by the MS
> > Win 10 update, or the Google Chrome browser update. It might have
> > been both. One thing for sure, it wasn't Amazon's fault since there
> > was no way that Amazon could have tweaked or rebooted Tom's computer
> > to fix the problem.
> If every other program operated but Amazon, it was Amazon's program

Someone with "an intuitive grasp of concepts of differential and integral calculus and the ability to express these concepts in the form of software and firmware" would know there isn't any such thing as "amazon's program". Amazon is a website that attempts to be compatible with an installed program such as Google Chrome on anoperating system such as Windows 10. If you had attempted to use any of the websites listed in the Down Detector link Jeff provided, you likely would have had the same problem. Neither Microsoft or Google clear their updates with Amazon (or anyone else) before they release them. They do some validation to show that the changes don't royally fuck thing up, but there is no guarantee in any user agreement for any installed program (which Amazon is _not_, BTW) that says updates will always be seamless. As Jeff noted, this wasn't an Amazon Issue. The Amazon website interacted on the front end of your PC the same way it did before the Chrome/MS updates. The difference is what MS/Chrome did with that interaction.

You should really stop pretending you understand how this internet thingie works, sparky. You clearly don't. Even Frank who never claimed to have electronic technology background understands there is no 'amazon program'. Once again, you are completely out of your league.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 09:39:25 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>If every other program operated but Amazon, it was Amazon's program

By the same logic, if most everyone else's computer connected normally
to Amazon after the updates, it must have been your problem.

"When you have eliminated the obvious solutions, whatever remains,
however ridiculous, must be Tom's version of the truth."
(My apologies to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle).

>and probably their attempt to put cookies into your system without
>your permission that caused this failure.

Baloney. You can't even login to Amazon without enabling cookies in
your browser. If you try, like I just did, you'll find a warning
suggesting that you turn on cookies in your browser or go away.
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GVASXV5UZ64R4Y25>
Even if you managed to get past that, you couldn't order anything
without enabling cookies.

Incidentally, Amazon sells cookies and doesn't just "put cookies on
your system" for free. I looked and didn't find any cookies sitting
on my system:
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=cookies>

>The updates that didn't install without a restart had to do with
>blocking adding cookies without permission.

Cookies are not required for Windoze update because cookies are a
feature of the web browser (Google Chrome) which is not part of the
Windoze update procedure. Google might use cookies as part of their
Chrome browser update procedure, but I doubt it. I couldn't find
anything relevant with Google search.

>You may believe that these things are harmless but we have
>antivirus programs to prevent it.

Most anti-virus programs don't even look at cookies. Anti-virus
suites, which are a collection related security tools, often include
cookie managers. Cookies are generally considered a threat to your
privacy, not a threat to system stability.

Keep trying. Literally every opinion and theory you've provided
concerning your failure to connect to Amazon has been wrong. Perhaps
you should stop dispensing rubbish and quit while you're ahead?

Time wasted: 17 minutes

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On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 07:45:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:37:57 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 7/20/2021 7:10 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:07:14 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 08:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> OK, it turned out to be a very simple problem. A couple of updates were added to the computer and screwed the system up unless it was restarted. Restarting the computer fixed everything.
>> >> Congratulations. I assumed that you would have rebooted the computer
>> >> or checked for updates, but apparently not. If the machine needed to
>> >> be rebooted, you would have seen a pop-up warning or reminder in the
>> >> lower right hand corner of the screen.
>> >>
>> >> That last Win 10 update I received (KB5004237) was on July 13 or Patch
>> >> Tuesday, when Microsloth issues its mega bloated updates, fixes,
>> >> patches, and feature updates.
>> >> Settings -> Updates & Security -> View Update History
>> >> Since you seem to leave your machine on continuously, the update
>> >> should have installed itself in the background and notified you with
>> >> multiple obnoxious warnings to reboot your computer. You would have
>> >> noticed these. Therefore, I suspect KB5004237 installed itself in the
>> >> background, while you were gone, and rebooted itself. Therefore, I
>> >> don't think a Windoze update is what cause your Amazon problem.
>> >>
>> >> I'll assume that you're using Google Chrome browser. Chrome released
>> >> a bunch of security fixes on July 15 (Stable Channel 91.0.4472.164).
>> >> <https://chromereleases.googleblog.com>
>> >> Unlike Windows and most apps, the Chrome browser does not remind you
>> >> to reboot after a background update. It just assumes that you will
>> >> eventually close and restart the Chrome browser. It will happily run
>> >> the previous version until you restart Chrome. There is a small
>> >> notification that temporarily appears in the lower right corner of the
>> >> screen, but it is easily missed. I'm not surprised that the browser
>> >> might go awry on the day after a browser update.
>> >>
>> >> If you want to check the version or update Chrome, go to:
>> >> Help -> About Google Chrome -> Update or Restart
>> >>
>> >> Short term solution: Reboot more often. Windoze 10 isn't all that
>> >> stable and doesn't run reliably enough to be up continuously between
>> >> mega-updates.
>> >>
>> >> Long term solution: Switch to Linux if you want to leave your
>> >> computah turned on all the time. My former office Linux Mint Cinnamon
>> >> server was typically up for 6 months between reboots.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, you're welcome.
>> >
>> > All of the updates were present and installed. But the usual Windows problem that these updates often do not work unless the system is restarted. Since the ONLY program that was affected by this problem was Amazon, this was an Amazon problem.
>> <sigh> No, Tom. The Amazon "program" does not reside on your computer.
>> Your computer has a browser. That browser interacts with various
>> websites including Amazon's website, which resides on _their_ computers.
>> And since nobody else in the world seems to have suffered inability to
>> access Amazon's website, the problem isn't there either.
>>
>> The problem, like so many, is part of the Tom Kunich Mystery Spot.
>>
>> My sympathies.
>
>Frank, after your idiotic claim that oval chain rings do not have a threat of overshift, you no longer have any veracity at all. I suggest you go stand in the corner with all of the other 12 year olds.
>
>If Ebay and Craigslist and Google and all of the rest of the programs I have worked without the restart, Amazon should have as well or else THEIR programming was faulty. You don't like it? Shove it up your ass idiot.

Idiot Ass??? It makes perfect sense. Amazon is, apparently, accessibly
to the entire world... except for Tommy Boy.

And it is Amazon that is at fault?
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:23:55 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

One more status page on Amazon:
<https://status.aws.amazon.com>
If you search for (control-F) for "Status History".
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On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 10:46:35 PM UTC+5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 11:55:20 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >With Amazon not working I can't look anything up.
> Amazon not working?
> <https://status.aws.amazon.com>
> No sign of massive user complaints:
> <https://downdetector.com/status/amazon/>
>
> Maybe just search Amazon for Campagnolo stuff?
> <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Campagnolo&s=price-desc-rank>
>
>
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Experiencing Problems? Choose the service you're encountering issues with, and contribute by giving feedback. For updates on the status of your preferred company, please [url=https://downoutages.com/status/att-down-outage/]read more[/url].

On Wed, 6 Dec 2023 02:43:59 -0800 (PST), Down Outages
<downoutages@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 10:46:35?PM UTC+5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 11:55:20 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >With Amazon not working I can't look anything up.
>> Amazon not working?
>> <https://status.aws.amazon.com>
>> No sign of massive user complaints:
>> <https://downdetector.com/status/amazon/>
>>
>> Maybe just search Amazon for Campagnolo stuff?
>> <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Campagnolo&s=price-desc-rank>
>>
>>
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>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>Experiencing Problems? Choose the service you're encountering issues with, and contribute by giving feedback. For updates on the status of your preferred company, please [url=https://downoutages.com/status/att-down-outage/]read more[/url].

Or, even easier, just give Mr. Muzi a call :-)
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2023 02:43:59 -0800 (PST), Down Outages
<downoutages@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 10:46:35?PM UTC+5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 11:55:20 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >With Amazon not working I can't look anything up.
>> Amazon not working?
>> <https://status.aws.amazon.com>
>> No sign of massive user complaints:
>> <https://downdetector.com/status/amazon/>
>>
>> Maybe just search Amazon for Campagnolo stuff?
>> <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Campagnolo&s=price-desc-rank>

>Experiencing Problems? Choose the service you're encountering issues with, and contribute by giving feedback. For updates on the status of your preferred company, please [url=https://downoutages.com/status/att-down-outage/]read more[/url].

That's cute. The site
<http://downoutages.com>
is a ripoff of:
<https://downdetector.com>
which I've been using for many years. None of the info buttons, on
the bottom of the page, function. There are no outage maps. The
graphs are similar but show less data near the baseline. The vertical
scale goes from zero to 1.0, while the real DownDetector displays the
number of outage reports. For AT&T, it shows one outage 9 hrs after
it really happened last night. Data collection appears to be about 5
hrs behind. My guess(tm) is that Down Outages is "scraping"
DownDetector web pages for data and the lag indicates they are
thoroughly overloaded.

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