When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
https://www.eternal-september.org
>
Andre Jute
A public service performed.
>

Andre Jute wrote:
> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
> https://www.eternal-september.org
>>
> Andre Jute
> A public service performed.
>>

I also participate from eternal-september, and am quite happy with it.
I use Mozilla Seamonkey as my reader

However, I have seen reports in other newsgroups that indicate that some
have had difficulties getting connections working, usually with Mozilla
Firefox.

I haven't dug into detail of anybody's specific issues, but I suspect
that problems might either be in making sure that connection encryption
is turned off or in not correctly saving password for the user ID that
e-s requires for access.

Smith

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
> https://www.eternal-september.org
> >
> Andre Jute
> A public service performed.
> >
Apparently I registered there years ago.

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
> https://www.eternal-september.org
> >
> Andre Jute
> A public service performed.
> >
I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.

On 1/2/2024 6:57 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
> https://www.eternal-september.org
>>
> Andre Jute
> A public service performed.
>>

There are several pages like this, easily found in a search
for 'How to access Usenet'

https://www.tomsguide.com/best-picks/the-best-usenet-providers
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/2/2024 10:45 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
>> https://www.eternal-september.org
>>>
>> Andre Jute
>> A public service performed.
>>>
> I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.

shocker....

On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 07:45:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28?AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
>> https://www.eternal-september.org
>> >
>> Andre Jute
>> A public service performed.

>I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.

I wrote a long reply explaining how it works. However, just as I was
almost ready to post it, I deleted the message. Much as I like being
helpful, I couldn't resist the opportunity to enjoy an RBT without Tom
and his amazing facts. Yes, I know that I'm mean, rotten, evil,
sadistic, cruel, wicked, sinful, etc. It's just that I can't resist
the opportunity.

So Tom... Sorry that I couldn't help and good luck getting your
unspecified hardware and software configured. It shouldn't be
difficult because it's been done successfully many times by many
people.

For those who RTFM, no help is needed.
For those who do not RTFM, no help is possible.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 1/2/2024 5:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 07:45:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28?AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
>>> https://www.eternal-september.org
>>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> A public service performed.
>
>> I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
>
> I wrote a long reply explaining how it works. However, just as I was
> almost ready to post it, I deleted the message. Much as I like being
> helpful, I couldn't resist the opportunity to enjoy an RBT without Tom
> and his amazing facts. Yes, I know that I'm mean, rotten, evil,
> sadistic, cruel, wicked, sinful, etc. It's just that I can't resist
> the opportunity.
>
> So Tom... Sorry that I couldn't help and good luck getting your
> unspecified hardware and software configured. It shouldn't be
> difficult because it's been done successfully many times by many
> people.
>
> For those who RTFM, no help is needed.
> For those who do not RTFM, no help is possible.
>

Imagine his surprise once he figures out what it actually takes to read
news groups from ES

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 3:45:47 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
> > https://www.eternal-september.org
> > >
> > Andre Jute
> > A public service performed.
> > >
> I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
>
I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link to Eternal September. But basically the answer is that you need a newsgroup reader which links you to Eternal September, the better ones automatically using your password to sign you in. You may have to pay for the readers in Andrew's link, or look further for a free reader. IIRC, Mozilla, which yonks ago was my browser, had a free reader the last time I used Eternal September, but I don't remember it being called "Mozilla Seamonkey" as in Smith's post above.
>
Andre Jute
Thanks for all the fish. -- Douglas Adams
>

On 1/3/2024 4:42 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 3:45:47 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
>>> https://www.eternal-september.org
>>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> A public service performed.
>>>>
>> I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
>>
> I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link to Eternal September. But basically the answer is that you need a newsgroup reader which links you to Eternal September, the better ones automatically using your password to sign you in. You may have to pay for the readers in Andrew's link, or look further for a free reader. IIRC, Mozilla, which yonks ago was my browser, had a free reader the last time I used Eternal September, but I don't remember it being called "Mozilla Seamonkey" as in Smith's post above.
>>
> Andre Jute
> Thanks for all the fish. -- Douglas Adams
>>

I pay nothing extra to read usenet through
eternal-september.org in my email reader, Mozilla
Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber online & telephone network
access into our building.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/3/2024 9:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/3/2024 4:42 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 3:45:47 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google
>>>> doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection
>>>> to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used
>>>> Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also
>>>> recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
>>>> https://www.eternal-september.org
>>>>>
>>>> Andre Jute
>>>> A public service performed.
>>>>>
>>> I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
>>>
>> I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me
>> to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link
>> to Eternal September. But basically the answer is that you need a
>> newsgroup reader which links you to Eternal September, the better ones
>> automatically using your password to sign you in. You may have to pay
>> for the readers in Andrew's link, or look further for a free reader.
>> IIRC, Mozilla, which yonks ago was my browser, had a free reader the
>> last time I used Eternal September, but I don't remember it being
>> called "Mozilla Seamonkey" as in Smith's post above.
>>>
>> Andre Jute
>> Thanks for all the fish. -- Douglas Adams
>>>
>
> I pay nothing extra to read usenet through eternal-september.org in my
> email reader, Mozilla Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber online

Don't you mean "Light Line"?

& telephone
> network access into our building.

--
Add xx to reply

On 1/3/2024 8:21 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 1/3/2024 9:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/3/2024 4:42 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 3:45:47 PM UTC, Tom Kunich
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre
>>>> Jute wrote:
>>>>> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much
>>>>> changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But
>>>>> you will need a new connection to continue reading
>>>>> rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal
>>>>> September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi
>>>>> also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a
>>>>> painless procedure:
>>>>> https://www.eternal-september.org
>>>>>>
>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>> A public service performed.
>>>>>>
>>>> I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any
>>>> way to sign in,.
>>>>
>>> I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good
>>> time for me to bugger off too, so I didn't look any
>>> further than finding the link to Eternal September. But
>>> basically the answer is that you need a newsgroup reader
>>> which links you to Eternal September, the better ones
>>> automatically using your password to sign you in. You may
>>> have to pay for the readers in Andrew's link, or look
>>> further for a free reader. IIRC, Mozilla, which yonks ago
>>> was my browser, had a free reader the last time I used
>>> Eternal September, but I don't remember it being called
>>> "Mozilla Seamonkey" as in Smith's post above.
>>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> Thanks for all the fish. -- Douglas Adams
>>>>
>>
>> I pay nothing extra to read usenet through
>> eternal-september.org in my email reader, Mozilla
>> Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber online
>
> Don't you mean "Light Line"?
>
>
>  & telephone
>> network access into our building.
>

I am not an expert but the fiber optic cable splits at a box
into telephone service and internet service, each with their
own separate wiring inside this building.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 6:21:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 1/3/2024 9:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 1/3/2024 4:42 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 3:45:47 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google
> >>>> doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection
> >>>> to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used
> >>>> Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also
> >>>> recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
> >>>> https://www.eternal-september.org
> >>>>>
> >>>> Andre Jute
> >>>> A public service performed.
> >>>>>
> >>> I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
> >>>
> >> I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me
> >> to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link
> >> to Eternal September. But basically the answer is that you need a
> >> newsgroup reader which links you to Eternal September, the better ones
> >> automatically using your password to sign you in. You may have to pay
> >> for the readers in Andrew's link, or look further for a free reader.
> >> IIRC, Mozilla, which yonks ago was my browser, had a free reader the
> >> last time I used Eternal September, but I don't remember it being
> >> called "Mozilla Seamonkey" as in Smith's post above.
> >>>
> >> Andre Jute
> >> Thanks for all the fish. -- Douglas Adams
> >>>
> >
> > I pay nothing extra to read usenet through eternal-september.org in my
> > email reader, Mozilla Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber online
> Don't you mean "Light Line"?
> & telephone
> > network access into our building.
>
> --
> Add xx to reply
It must really be hell to be as stupid as you and try and make fun of that ignorance by pretending that a term you've never heard before isn't real. Do you do the same thing with "Ma" instead of "Mother"?

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:02:00 AM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 6:21:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> > On 1/3/2024 9:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >
> > > I pay nothing extra to read usenet through eternal-september.org
in my
> > > email reader, Mozilla Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber online
> > Don't you mean "Light Line"?
> > & telephone
> > > network access into our building.
> >
> > --
> > Add xx to reply
>
> It must really be hell to be as stupid as you and try and make fun of
that ignorance by pretending that a term you've never heard before isn't
real.

It must be hell to keep stupidly claiming The term "light line" exists
as a description for fiber optic cables when you've never been able
prove it. If you think otherwise, post a link from a reputable source
that demonstrates it's usage as common vernacular. No one here is going
to take your word for it, any more than we did that PWM is used to test
cables, until you prove otherwise from a source other than your own ass.

> Do you do the same thing with "Ma" instead of "Mother"?

Have you figured out how to log into Eternal September yet? lol....

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:55:00 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:02:00 AM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 6:21:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> > > On 1/3/2024 9:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I pay nothing extra to read usenet through eternal-september.org
> in my
> > > > email reader, Mozilla Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber online
> > > Don't you mean "Light Line"?
> > > & telephone
> > > > network access into our building.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Add xx to reply
> >
> > It must really be hell to be as stupid as you and try and make fun of
> that ignorance by pretending that a term you've never heard before isn't
> real.
> It must be hell to keep stupidly claiming The term "light line" exists
> as a description for fiber optic cables when you've never been able
> prove it. If you think otherwise, post a link from a reputable source
> that demonstrates it's usage as common vernacular. No one here is going
> to take your word for it, any more than we did that PWM is used to test
> cables, until you prove otherwise from a source other than your own ass.
> > Do you do the same thing with "Ma" instead of "Mother"?
> Have you figured out how to log into Eternal September yet? lol....
https://www.fiberopticstech.com/products/light-lines/ I could have sworn you said that fiber optics are never called light lines. Any moron qouls knoq rhat a connon use for fiber optics is actually lighting things.n Light lines re for digital communications. It is simply too bad thqt never working as a reaol engineer all you can do is argue like some petty little cunt.

On 1/3/2024 5:38 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:55:00 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:02:00 AM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 6:21:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2024 9:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I pay nothing extra to read usenet through eternal-september.org
>> in my
>>>>> email reader, Mozilla Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber online
>>>> Don't you mean "Light Line"?
>>>> & telephone
>>>>> network access into our building.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Add xx to reply
>>>
>>> It must really be hell to be as stupid as you and try and make fun of
>> that ignorance by pretending that a term you've never heard before isn't
>> real.
>> It must be hell to keep stupidly claiming The term "light line" exists
>> as a description for fiber optic cables when you've never been able
>> prove it. If you think otherwise, post a link from a reputable source
>> that demonstrates it's usage as common vernacular. No one here is going
>> to take your word for it, any more than we did that PWM is used to test
>> cables, until you prove otherwise from a source other than your own ass.
>>> Do you do the same thing with "Ma" instead of "Mother"?
>> Have you figured out how to log into Eternal September yet? lol....

Again, try to grasp the use of a spellchecker, you're typing gibberish
again.

> https://www.fiberopticstech.com/products/light-lines/ I could have sworn you said that fiber optics are never called light lines. Any moron qouls knoq rhat a connon use for fiber optics is actually lighting things.n

Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are
used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light
line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in
fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much
of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
lighting products.

Let's remind you what you wrote tommy:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/cgRIn7ofDQAJ
"Do you think that you're impressing people using the term "fiber
optics" when the common term is light lines and even AT&T is using it? "

I also very specifically responded in that thread that I was referring
to fiber optic data communication:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/w3ZiBEkjDQAJ
"No one uses the term "light lines" to describe fiber optic telecom, let
alone AT&T"

AT&T isn't using it, because Fiber optic cables used for data
communication are _not_ commonly referred to "light lines".

> Light lines re for digital communications.

No, they aren't. Your webpage is _exclusively_ dedicated to
illumination, not data communication. Did you actually read the link you
provided tommy?

"In machine vision lighting, an inexpensive projector bulb can
illuminate the entire width of a document or web. Light lines are also
used frequently to “pick-up” scattered or reflecting light from a laser
and rotating mirror combinations."

IOW, not used for data communications.

If you had read further, you'd also note this company manufactures fiber
optic patch cords: https://www.fiberopticstech.com/products/pof-patch-cords/

Take a look at that page tommy, can you take a wild guess what's
missing? I'll help you out, it's the term "light lines". Why is that?
because "light lines" is not a term used for fiber optic communications.

> It is simply too bad thqt never working as a reaol engineer all you can do is argue like some petty little cunt.

lol...did I tweak poor wittle tommy? But I have to congratulate you, you
actually did some research for a change. Too bad it doesn't prove your
claim "the common term is light lines and even AT&T is using it? "

now, how about trying for something proving PWM is a common method for
testing cables.

On 1/3/2024 5:51 PM, zen cycle wrote:

> Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are
> used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light
> line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in
> fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much
> of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
> lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
> lighting products.

This is totally different than communications over fiber-optic lines.

This is using plastic fibers as an illumination source. You see this
pretty often in consumer products.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:17:07 AM UTC, sms wrote:
> On 1/3/2024 5:51 PM, zen cycle wrote:
>
> > Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are
> > used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light
> > line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in
> > fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much
> > of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
> > lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
> > lighting products.
> This is totally different than communications over fiber-optic lines.
>
> This is using plastic fibers as an illumination source. You see this
> pretty often in consumer products.
>
> --
> “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
>
Aw, sheet, Scharfie. From that secretarial assistant the Flunkymonkey we expect only lies and more barefaced lies and weaselling when his stupid lies are exposed, but from you, a fellow who spent his working life presumably with real electronics engineers? This is politically inspired crap of sub-manure quality. You're the idiot giving hostages to fortune with your tag-line, “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it really do matter less than the opinions of experts," so don't blame me for pointing out your meretricious motives.
>
Personally, since I know about frequencies and waves and symbols, I have bets out on what you Klowns will screech next if I say that sending Morse Code with an Aldis lamp is also a form of communication and control by light lines, an impeccable position in physics, if you and the Flunkymonkey even know that much physics, or any of the rest of your twee mob of screeching monkeys.
>
Andre Jute
Zero tolerance for fools rabbiting-on on the net five decades after they were too shortarsed to be school bullies.
>

On 1/4/2024 6:54 AM, shitstain excreted more tainted and ignorant opinion:
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:17:07 AM UTC, sms wrote:
>> On 1/3/2024 5:51 PM, zen cycle wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are
>>> used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light
>>> line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in
>>> fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much
>>> of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
>>> lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
>>> lighting products.
>>
>> This is totally different than communications over fiber-optic lines.
>>
>> This is using plastic fibers as an illumination source. You see this
>> pretty often in consumer products.
>>
>> --
>> “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
>> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
>> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
>> they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
>>
> Aw, sheet, Scharfie. From that secretarial assistant the Flunkymonkey we expect only lies and more barefaced lies and weaselling when his stupid lies are exposed,

Care to point out the "lie", shitstain?

> but from you, a fellow who spent his working life presumably with real electronics engineers? This is politically inspired crap of sub-manure quality.

Stating that a light source transmitted through a fiber optic cable is
completely different application than data communication is "politically
inspired crap"? It's no wonder the Irish Examiner fired you and purged
all your articles.

> You're the idiot giving hostages to fortune with your tag-line, “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it really do matter less than the opinions of experts," so don't blame me for pointing out your meretricious motives.
>>
> Personally, since I know about frequencies and waves and symbols,

Sure ya do....Care to elucidate us on the relationship between symbol
error rate and wavelength in multi-mode vs single-mode fiber optic
cables? The only thing you know is pure shit.

> I have bets out on what you Klowns will screech next if I say that sending Morse Code with an Aldis lamp is also a form of communication and control by light lines, an impeccable position in physics,

lol....sure skippy, tell us how a signalling lamp though open air
qualifies as a 'light line'.....HAHA!!! did you win your bet? Good, you
might need it to augment your public assistance

if you and the Flunkymonkey even know that much physics, or any of the
rest of your twee mob of screeching monkeys.
>>
> A̶n̶d̶r̶e̶ J̶u̶t̶e̶ shitstain
> Z̶e̶r̶o̶ t̶o̶l̶e̶r̶a̶n̶c̶e̶ f̶o̶r̶ f̶o̶o̶l̶s̶ r̶a̶b̶b̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶-̶o̶n̶ o̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ n̶e̶t̶ f̶i̶v̶e̶ d̶e̶c̶a̶d̶e̶s̶ a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ t̶h̶e̶y̶ w̶e̶r̶e̶ t̶o̶o̶ s̶h̶o̶r̶t̶a̶r̶s̶e̶d̶ t̶o̶ b̶e̶ s̶c̶h̶o̶o̶l̶ b̶u̶l̶l̶i̶e̶s̶. a writer of vanity novels and diarrhea-mouthed, long winded poster to the Usenet - where he pretends to be famous.

Oh, you mean like the sum total of your contributions from december?

- Why the Stupid 4 Celebrate Kwanzaa
- Incompetence or conspiracy? Pick any two.
- We're jingle-belling our way to nullity
- No. 113 of the Worthless Flunkymonkey's Ignorance
- No. 113c of the Worthless Flunkymonkey's Ignorance
- Who turned Portland into a hellhole?
- The Known Unknowns
- The Democrat Party
- Texas Attorney-General sues Pfizer over Vaccine

February 22 can't come soon enough for the likes of you.

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On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:51:48 PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
> On 1/3/2024 5:38 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:55:00 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:02:00 AM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 6:21:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> >>>> On 1/3/2024 9:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I pay nothing extra to read usenet through eternal-september.org
> >> in my
> >>>>> email reader, Mozilla Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber online
> >>>> Don't you mean "Light Line"?
> >>>> & telephone
> >>>>> network access into our building.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Add xx to reply
> >>>
> >>> It must really be hell to be as stupid as you and try and make fun of
> >> that ignorance by pretending that a term you've never heard before isn't
> >> real.
> >> It must be hell to keep stupidly claiming The term "light line" exists
> >> as a description for fiber optic cables when you've never been able
> >> prove it. If you think otherwise, post a link from a reputable source
> >> that demonstrates it's usage as common vernacular. No one here is going
> >> to take your word for it, any more than we did that PWM is used to test
> >> cables, until you prove otherwise from a source other than your own ass.
> >>> Do you do the same thing with "Ma" instead of "Mother"?
> >> Have you figured out how to log into Eternal September yet? lol....
> Again, try to grasp the use of a spellchecker, you're typing gibberish
> again.
> > https://www.fiberopticstech.com/products/light-lines/ I could have sworn you said that fiber optics are never called light lines. Any moron qouls knoq rhat a connon use for fiber optics is actually lighting things.n
> Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are
> used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light
> line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in
> fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much
> of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
> lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
> lighting products.
>
> Let's remind you what you wrote tommy:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/cgRIn7ofDQAJ
> "Do you think that you're impressing people using the term "fiber
> optics" when the common term is light lines and even AT&T is using it? "
>
> I also very specifically responded in that thread that I was referring
> to fiber optic data communication:
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/w3ZiBEkjDQAJ
> "No one uses the term "light lines" to describe fiber optic telecom, let
> alone AT&T"
>
> AT&T isn't using it, because Fiber optic cables used for data
> communication are _not_ commonly referred to "light lines".
> > Light lines re for digital communications.
> No, they aren't. Your webpage is _exclusively_ dedicated to
> illumination, not data communication. Did you actually read the link you
> provided tommy?
>
> "In machine vision lighting, an inexpensive projector bulb can
> illuminate the entire width of a document or web. Light lines are also
> used frequently to “pick-up” scattered or reflecting light from a laser
> and rotating mirror combinations."
>
> IOW, not used for data communications.
>
> If you had read further, you'd also note this company manufactures fiber
> optic patch cords: https://www.fiberopticstech.com/products/pof-patch-cords/
>
> Take a look at that page tommy, can you take a wild guess what's
> missing? I'll help you out, it's the term "light lines". Why is that?
> because "light lines" is not a term used for fiber optic communications.
> > It is simply too bad thqt never working as a reaol engineer all you can do is argue like some petty little cunt.
> lol...did I tweak poor wittle tommy? But I have to congratulate you, you
> actually did some research for a change. Too bad it doesn't prove your
> claim "the common term is light lines and even AT&T is using it? "
>
> now, how about trying for something proving PWM is a common method for
> testing cables.
But wait a minute. It was your claim that NO ONE used that terminology. So now it is your claim that other people whom you dislike for proving you again wrong are just a glitch in your real world view that doesn't include actually ever being a real engineer.

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:51:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 1/4/2024 6:54 AM, shitstain excreted more tainted and ignorant opinion:
> > On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:17:07 AM UTC, sms wrote:
> >> On 1/3/2024 5:51 PM, zen cycle wrote:
> >>
> >>> Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are
> >>> used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light
> >>> line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in
> >>> fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much
> >>> of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
> >>> lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
> >>> lighting products.
> >>
> >> This is totally different than communications over fiber-optic lines.
> >>
> >> This is using plastic fibers as an illumination source. You see this
> >> pretty often in consumer products.
> >>
> >> --
> >> “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> >> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> >> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> >> they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
> >>
> > Aw, sheet, Scharfie. From that secretarial assistant the Flunkymonkey we expect only lies and more barefaced lies and weaselling when his stupid lies are exposed,
> Care to point out the "lie", shitstain?
> > but from you, a fellow who spent his working life presumably with real electronics engineers? This is politically inspired crap of sub-manure quality.
> Stating that a light source transmitted through a fiber optic cable is
> completely different application than data communication is "politically
> inspired crap"? It's no wonder the Irish Examiner fired you and purged
> all your articles.
> > You're the idiot giving hostages to fortune with your tag-line, “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it really do matter less than the opinions of experts," so don't blame me for pointing out your meretricious motives.
> >>
> > Personally, since I know about frequencies and waves and symbols,
> Sure ya do....Care to elucidate us on the relationship between symbol
> error rate and wavelength in multi-mode vs single-mode fiber optic
> cables? The only thing you know is pure shit.
> > I have bets out on what you Klowns will screech next if I say that sending Morse Code with an Aldis lamp is also a form of communication and control by light lines, an impeccable position in physics,
> lol....sure skippy, tell us how a signalling lamp though open air
> qualifies as a 'light line'.....HAHA!!! did you win your bet? Good, you
> might need it to augment your public assistance
> if you and the Flunkymonkey even know that much physics, or any of the
> rest of your twee mob of screeching monkeys.
> >>
> > A̶n̶d̶r̶e̶ J̶u̶t̶e̶ shitstain
> > Z̶e̶r̶o̶ t̶o̶l̶e̶r̶a̶n̶c̶e̶ f̶o̶r̶ f̶o̶o̶l̶s̶ r̶a̶b̶b̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶-̶o̶n̶ o̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ n̶e̶t̶ f̶i̶v̶e̶ d̶e̶c̶a̶d̶e̶s̶ a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ t̶h̶e̶y̶ w̶e̶r̶e̶ t̶o̶o̶ s̶h̶o̶r̶t̶a̶r̶s̶e̶d̶ t̶o̶ b̶e̶ s̶c̶h̶o̶o̶l̶ b̶u̶l̶l̶i̶e̶s̶. a writer of vanity novels and diarrhea-mouthed, long winded poster to the Usenet - where he pretends to be famous.
>
> Oh, you mean like the sum total of your contributions from december?
>
> - Why the Stupid 4 Celebrate Kwanzaa
> - Incompetence or conspiracy? Pick any two.
> - We're jingle-belling our way to nullity
> - No. 113 of the Worthless Flunkymonkey's Ignorance
> - No. 113c of the Worthless Flunkymonkey's Ignorance
> - Who turned Portland into a hellhole?
> - The Known Unknowns
> - The Democrat Party
> - Texas Attorney-General sues Pfizer over Vaccine
>
> February 22 can't come soon enough for the likes of you.
> >>
>
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It is sort of curious that you were too stupid to bother to read that advert for lite lines since like every other stupif thing from you or Liebermannm it was
DATA and not illumination that product is designed for.

On 1/4/2024 9:46 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:51:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 1/4/2024 6:54 AM, shitstain excreted more tainted and ignorant opinion:
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:17:07 AM UTC, sms wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2024 5:51 PM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are
>>>>> used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light
>>>>> line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in
>>>>> fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much
>>>>> of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
>>>>> lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
>>>>> lighting products.
>>>>
>>>> This is totally different than communications over fiber-optic lines.
>>>>
>>>> This is using plastic fibers as an illumination source. You see this
>>>> pretty often in consumer products.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
>>>> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
>>>> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
>>>> they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
>>>>
>>> Aw, sheet, Scharfie. From that secretarial assistant the Flunkymonkey we expect only lies and more barefaced lies and weaselling when his stupid lies are exposed,
>> Care to point out the "lie", shitstain?
>>> but from you, a fellow who spent his working life presumably with real electronics engineers? This is politically inspired crap of sub-manure quality.
>> Stating that a light source transmitted through a fiber optic cable is
>> completely different application than data communication is "politically
>> inspired crap"? It's no wonder the Irish Examiner fired you and purged
>> all your articles.
>>> You're the idiot giving hostages to fortune with your tag-line, “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it really do matter less than the opinions of experts," so don't blame me for pointing out your meretricious motives.
>>>>
>>> Personally, since I know about frequencies and waves and symbols,
>> Sure ya do....Care to elucidate us on the relationship between symbol
>> error rate and wavelength in multi-mode vs single-mode fiber optic
>> cables? The only thing you know is pure shit.
>>> I have bets out on what you Klowns will screech next if I say that sending Morse Code with an Aldis lamp is also a form of communication and control by light lines, an impeccable position in physics,
>> lol....sure skippy, tell us how a signalling lamp though open air
>> qualifies as a 'light line'.....HAHA!!! did you win your bet? Good, you
>> might need it to augment your public assistance
>> if you and the Flunkymonkey even know that much physics, or any of the
>> rest of your twee mob of screeching monkeys.
>>>>
>>> A̶n̶d̶r̶e̶ J̶u̶t̶e̶ shitstain
>>> Z̶e̶r̶o̶ t̶o̶l̶e̶r̶a̶n̶c̶e̶ f̶o̶r̶ f̶o̶o̶l̶s̶ r̶a̶b̶b̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶-̶o̶n̶ o̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ n̶e̶t̶ f̶i̶v̶e̶ d̶e̶c̶a̶d̶e̶s̶ a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ t̶h̶e̶y̶ w̶e̶r̶e̶ t̶o̶o̶ s̶h̶o̶r̶t̶a̶r̶s̶e̶d̶ t̶o̶ b̶e̶ s̶c̶h̶o̶o̶l̶ b̶u̶l̶l̶i̶e̶s̶. a writer of vanity novels and diarrhea-mouthed, long winded poster to the Usenet - where he pretends to be famous.
>>
>> Oh, you mean like the sum total of your contributions from december?
>>
>> - Why the Stupid 4 Celebrate Kwanzaa
>> - Incompetence or conspiracy? Pick any two.
>> - We're jingle-belling our way to nullity
>> - No. 113 of the Worthless Flunkymonkey's Ignorance
>> - No. 113c of the Worthless Flunkymonkey's Ignorance
>> - Who turned Portland into a hellhole?
>> - The Known Unknowns
>> - The Democrat Party
>> - Texas Attorney-General sues Pfizer over Vaccine
>>
>> February 22 can't come soon enough for the likes of you.
>>>>
>>
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> It is sort of curious that you were too stupid to bother to read that advert for lite lines since like every other stupif thing from you or Liebermannm it was
> DATA and not illumination that product is designed for.

I read it thoroughly. There's noting on that page that states its used
for data. Every application points to illumination.
Try again sparky.
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On 1/4/2024 9:38 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> But wait a minute. It was your claim that NO ONE used that terminology.

As usual, you're wrong, just like you were wrong when you wrote I
claimed one needs to understand HAzLoc to design medical equipment.
Here's the quote:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/w3ZiBEkjDQAJ
"No one uses the term "light lines" to describe fiber optic telecom, let
alone AT&T"

Your link was for an illumintation accessory, not datacom.

> So now it is your claim that other people whom you dislike for proving you again wrong are just a glitch in your real world

You'd have to prove me wrong first

> view that doesn't include actually ever being a real engineer.

You would know that far better than I

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On 1/4/2024 7:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:

<snip>

> I read it thoroughly. There's noting on that page that states its used
> for data. Every application points to illumination.
> Try again sparky.

Yes, I designed one product that used this technology for illumination.
It's actually more expensive, in terms of components, than using an LED
but there is an advantage, in terms of assembly cost, in some cases.

No one calls the fiber optics used for high-speed data communication
"light pipes."

Tom can learn about light pipes here:
<https://www.bivar.com/resources/light-pipe-technology-and-applications/>.

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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 1/4/2024 10:38 AM, sms wrote:
> On 1/4/2024 7:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I read it thoroughly. There's noting on that page that states its used
>> for data. Every application points to illumination.
>> Try again sparky.
>
> Yes, I designed one product that used this technology for illumination.
> It's actually more expensive, in terms of components, than using an LED
> but there is an advantage, in terms of assembly cost, in some cases.
>
> No one calls the fiber optics used for high-speed data communication
> "light pipes."
>
> Tom can learn about light pipes here:
> <https://www.bivar.com/resources/light-pipe-technology-and-applications/>.
>

Tommy wasn't claiming "light pipe", he was claiming "line line".

Light pipes are well-known. I've used them in telecom to transfer
signals between rigidly fixed assemblies, but they were specifically
referred to as a 'light pipe'. Other uses were to bring a lamp from a PC
assembly out to a control panel and an indicator.

An interesting application I used very recently was a U-shaped pipe that
was intended to be immersed in translucent fluids as a fluid detector.
An IR signal sent though the pipe would travel intact through the pipe
when it was dry, but when immersed the refractive index of the pipe
would be 'broken' so the IR energy would dissipate into medium and the
phototransistor wouldn't be activated.

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