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by: Chris L Peterson - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 21:43 UTC

On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
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>https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/

They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
environmental impact.

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by: W - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:51 UTC

On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
>
> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
> environmental impact.

Everything in the article is absolutely correct.

You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 13:01 UTC

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
>>
>> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
>> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
>> environmental impact.
>
>Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
>
>You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.

The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.

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by: W - Tue, 4 Apr 2023 10:22 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
> >>
> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
> >> environmental impact.
> >
> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
> >
> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.

Astronomers disagree with you.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Tue, 4 Apr 2023 12:52 UTC

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
>> >>
>> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
>> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
>> >> environmental impact.
>> >
>> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
>> >
>> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
>> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.
>
>Astronomers disagree with you.

No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
vast majority of astronomy.

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by: W - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 13:36 UTC

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:52:04 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
> >> >>
> >> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
> >> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
> >> >> environmental impact.
> >> >
> >> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
> >> >
> >> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
> >> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.
> >
> >Astronomers disagree with you.
> No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
> visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
> ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
> vast majority of astronomy.

Everything that you have written contradicts the article. The article contains only facts.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 14:26 UTC

On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:36:33 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:52:04?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
>> >> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
>> >> >> environmental impact.
>> >> >
>> >> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
>> >> >
>> >> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
>> >> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.
>> >
>> >Astronomers disagree with you.
>> No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
>> visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
>> ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
>> vast majority of astronomy.
>
>Everything that you have written contradicts the article. The article contains only facts.

Nope.

Objectively, we don't see a sky full of satellites with our eyes. And
objectively, satellites almost never impact astroimaging.

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by: W - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 15:49 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 10:26:07 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:36:33 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:52:04?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
> >> >> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
> >> >> >> environmental impact.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
> >> >> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct..
> >> >
> >> >Astronomers disagree with you.
> >> No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
> >> visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
> >> ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
> >> vast majority of astronomy.
> >
> >Everything that you have written contradicts the article. The article contains only facts.
> Nope.
>
> Objectively, we don't see a sky full of satellites with our eyes. And
> objectively, satellites almost never impact astroimaging.
Your opinions have nothing to do with the content of the article, nor the topic of the thread.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 18:02 UTC

On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 08:49:50 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 10:26:07?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:36:33 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:52:04?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
>> >> >> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
>> >> >> >> environmental impact.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
>> >> >> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.
>> >> >
>> >> >Astronomers disagree with you.
>> >> No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
>> >> visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
>> >> ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
>> >> vast majority of astronomy.
>> >
>> >Everything that you have written contradicts the article. The article contains only facts.
>> Nope.
>>
>> Objectively, we don't see a sky full of satellites with our eyes. And
>> objectively, satellites almost never impact astroimaging.
>
>Your opinions have nothing to do with the content of the article, nor the topic of the thread.

The points I stated are not opinions. They are facts.

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by: W - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 03:32 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:02:08 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 08:49:50 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 10:26:07?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:36:33 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:52:04?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
> >> >> >> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
> >> >> >> >> environmental impact.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
> >> >> >> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Astronomers disagree with you.
> >> >> No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
> >> >> visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
> >> >> ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
> >> >> vast majority of astronomy.
> >> >
> >> >Everything that you have written contradicts the article. The article contains only facts.
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >> Objectively, we don't see a sky full of satellites with our eyes. And
> >> objectively, satellites almost never impact astroimaging.
> >
> >Your opinions have nothing to do with the content of the article, nor the topic of the thread.
> The points I stated are not opinions. They are facts.

No, they are opinions. Facts can be found in the article.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 13:14 UTC

On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:32:51 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:02:08?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 08:49:50 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 10:26:07?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:36:33 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:52:04?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
>> >> >> >> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
>> >> >> >> >> environmental impact.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
>> >> >> >> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Astronomers disagree with you.
>> >> >> No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
>> >> >> visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
>> >> >> ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
>> >> >> vast majority of astronomy.
>> >> >
>> >> >Everything that you have written contradicts the article. The article contains only facts.
>> >> Nope.
>> >>
>> >> Objectively, we don't see a sky full of satellites with our eyes. And
>> >> objectively, satellites almost never impact astroimaging.
>> >
>> >Your opinions have nothing to do with the content of the article, nor the topic of the thread.
>> The points I stated are not opinions. They are facts.
>
>No, they are opinions. Facts can be found in the article.

If you had ever been out under the night sky, or taken an astroimage,
you'd know something. But that appears not to be the case.

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by: W - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 23:47 UTC

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 9:14:55 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:32:51 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:02:08?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 08:49:50 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 10:26:07?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:36:33 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:52:04?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
> >> >> >> >> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
> >> >> >> >> >> environmental impact.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
> >> >> >> >> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Astronomers disagree with you.
> >> >> >> No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
> >> >> >> visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
> >> >> >> ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
> >> >> >> vast majority of astronomy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Everything that you have written contradicts the article. The article contains only facts.
> >> >> Nope.
> >> >>
> >> >> Objectively, we don't see a sky full of satellites with our eyes. And
> >> >> objectively, satellites almost never impact astroimaging.
> >> >
> >> >Your opinions have nothing to do with the content of the article, nor the topic of the thread.
> >> The points I stated are not opinions. They are facts.
> >
> >No, they are opinions. Facts can be found in the article.
> If you had ever been out under the night sky, or taken an astroimage,
> you'd know something. But that appears not to be the case.

Numerous astronomers are sounding the alarm. You are the only contrarian.
You should learn how to read.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 00:43 UTC

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 16:47:12 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 9:14:55?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:32:51 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:02:08?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 08:49:50 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 10:26:07?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:36:33 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:52:04?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
>> >> >> >> >> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
>> >> >> >> >> >> environmental impact.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
>> >> >> >> >> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Astronomers disagree with you.
>> >> >> >> No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
>> >> >> >> visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
>> >> >> >> ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
>> >> >> >> vast majority of astronomy.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Everything that you have written contradicts the article. The article contains only facts.
>> >> >> Nope.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Objectively, we don't see a sky full of satellites with our eyes. And
>> >> >> objectively, satellites almost never impact astroimaging.
>> >> >
>> >> >Your opinions have nothing to do with the content of the article, nor the topic of the thread.
>> >> The points I stated are not opinions. They are facts.
>> >
>> >No, they are opinions. Facts can be found in the article.
>> If you had ever been out under the night sky, or taken an astroimage,
>> you'd know something. But that appears not to be the case.
>
>Numerous astronomers are sounding the alarm. You are the only contrarian.
>You should learn how to read.

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by: W - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 01:49 UTC

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 8:43:44 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 16:47:12 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 9:14:55?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:32:51 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:02:08?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 08:49:50 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 10:26:07?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:36:33 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:52:04?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 9:01:23?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 5:43:54?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande....@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/satellites-and-space-debris-are-polluting-our-night-skies/
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> They are not visible, they do not interfere with our view of the sky
> >> >> >> >> >> >> in dark sites, they have minimal impact on astronomy, they do not have
> >> >> >> >> >> >> environmental impact.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Everything in the article is absolutely correct.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >You see, oh feeble-minded one, objects in Earth orbit reflect light from all sources, not just the Sun.
> >> >> >> >> >> The fact remains that everything I pointed out is factually correct.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Astronomers disagree with you.
> >> >> >> >> No. A few astronomers are impacted. But most are not. Our skies are
> >> >> >> >> visually the same as they have always been, excepting the growth of
> >> >> >> >> ground-based light pollution. Satellites don't cause problems with the
> >> >> >> >> vast majority of astronomy.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Everything that you have written contradicts the article. The article contains only facts.
> >> >> >> Nope.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Objectively, we don't see a sky full of satellites with our eyes.. And
> >> >> >> objectively, satellites almost never impact astroimaging.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Your opinions have nothing to do with the content of the article, nor the topic of the thread.
> >> >> The points I stated are not opinions. They are facts.
> >> >
> >> >No, they are opinions. Facts can be found in the article.
> >> If you had ever been out under the night sky, or taken an astroimage,
> >> you'd know something. But that appears not to be the case.
> >
> >Numerous astronomers are sounding the alarm. You are the only contrarian..
> >You should learn how to read.
> You should learn how to think. These constellations of satellites
> aren't really naked eye objects, and they aren't bright enough to
> create blooming in the majority of cameras, meaning they don't impact
> either aesthetics or science.

The astronomers say otherwise.
Their evidence and arguments are sound.
Yours are not.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 05:03 UTC

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
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>> You should learn how to think. These constellations of satellites
>> aren't really naked eye objects, and they aren't bright enough to
>> create blooming in the majority of cameras, meaning they don't impact
>> either aesthetics or science.
>
>The astronomers say otherwise.
>Their evidence and arguments are sound.
>Yours are not.

A few astronomers say this. Many do not. Again, there is no evidence
that the satellites are seriously impacting astronomy. A couple of
survey projects with very fast, large aperture systems have issues.
Which leaves 99% of the work largely unimpacted. Satellite tracks on
images are not a problem.

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by: W - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 11:27 UTC

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 1:03:19 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> You should learn how to think. These constellations of satellites
> >> aren't really naked eye objects, and they aren't bright enough to
> >> create blooming in the majority of cameras, meaning they don't impact
> >> either aesthetics or science.
> >
> >The astronomers say otherwise.
> >Their evidence and arguments are sound.
> >Yours are not.
> A few astronomers say this. Many do not. Again, there is no evidence
> that the satellites are seriously impacting astronomy. A couple of
> survey projects with very fast, large aperture systems have issues.
> Which leaves 99% of the work largely unimpacted. Satellite tracks on
> images are not a problem.

A few astronomers = MORE than peterson.

AND they know about the subject and their own projects.

We are going to listen to the astronomers, NOT to you.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 13:36 UTC

On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 04:27:32 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 1:03:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> You should learn how to think. These constellations of satellites
>> >> aren't really naked eye objects, and they aren't bright enough to
>> >> create blooming in the majority of cameras, meaning they don't impact
>> >> either aesthetics or science.
>> >
>> >The astronomers say otherwise.
>> >Their evidence and arguments are sound.
>> >Yours are not.
>> A few astronomers say this. Many do not. Again, there is no evidence
>> that the satellites are seriously impacting astronomy. A couple of
>> survey projects with very fast, large aperture systems have issues.
>> Which leaves 99% of the work largely unimpacted. Satellite tracks on
>> images are not a problem.
>
>A few astronomers = MORE than peterson.
>
>AND they know about the subject and their own projects.
>
>We are going to listen to the astronomers, NOT to you.

We. That would be you and the turd in your pocket, I presume.

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by: W - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 16:55 UTC

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:36:13 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 04:27:32 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 1:03:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> You should learn how to think. These constellations of satellites
> >> >> aren't really naked eye objects, and they aren't bright enough to
> >> >> create blooming in the majority of cameras, meaning they don't impact
> >> >> either aesthetics or science.
> >> >
> >> >The astronomers say otherwise.
> >> >Their evidence and arguments are sound.
> >> >Yours are not.
> >> A few astronomers say this. Many do not. Again, there is no evidence
> >> that the satellites are seriously impacting astronomy. A couple of
> >> survey projects with very fast, large aperture systems have issues.
> >> Which leaves 99% of the work largely unimpacted. Satellite tracks on
> >> images are not a problem.
> >
> >A few astronomers = MORE than peterson.
> >
> >AND they know about the subject and their own projects.
> >
> >We are going to listen to the astronomers, NOT to you.
> We. That would be you and the turd in your pocket, I presume.

"We" is everyone else on the planet, not you. You are the turd.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 19:29 UTC

On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 09:55:13 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
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>On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:36:13?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 04:27:32 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 1:03:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> You should learn how to think. These constellations of satellites
>> >> >> aren't really naked eye objects, and they aren't bright enough to
>> >> >> create blooming in the majority of cameras, meaning they don't impact
>> >> >> either aesthetics or science.
>> >> >
>> >> >The astronomers say otherwise.
>> >> >Their evidence and arguments are sound.
>> >> >Yours are not.
>> >> A few astronomers say this. Many do not. Again, there is no evidence
>> >> that the satellites are seriously impacting astronomy. A couple of
>> >> survey projects with very fast, large aperture systems have issues.
>> >> Which leaves 99% of the work largely unimpacted. Satellite tracks on
>> >> images are not a problem.
>> >
>> >A few astronomers = MORE than peterson.
>> >
>> >AND they know about the subject and their own projects.
>> >
>> >We are going to listen to the astronomers, NOT to you.
>> We. That would be you and the turd in your pocket, I presume.
>
>"We" is everyone else on the planet, not you. You are the turd.

Well, I haven't noticed very many astronomers who are very concerned.
You have ignored the two most salient points, which is that these
satellites are not visible to the eye, and that satellite tracks are
rarely problematic on images.

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Chris, you seem like the kind of guy who just wants to burn fossil fuels, eat steaks, and shit in the creek where other people drink.
and that is fine, except nobody likes you.

I catch satellite in my images all the time. is it a problem for me. not really. ruins a few subs. I'm not doing anything important. It's just a hobby.
Weather or not astronomy in general is being impacted. Probably to some degree.
If i was buying time on an expensive telescope array and a few things get messed up, maybe i miss the big dinosaur extinction meteor cause of Elon Musk's space crap.

Is all the junk in the sky a problem for future satellite, most definitively yes.

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by: W - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 10:26 UTC

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 3:29:22 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 09:55:13 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:36:13?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 04:27:32 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 1:03:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> You should learn how to think. These constellations of satellites
> >> >> >> aren't really naked eye objects, and they aren't bright enough to
> >> >> >> create blooming in the majority of cameras, meaning they don't impact
> >> >> >> either aesthetics or science.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The astronomers say otherwise.
> >> >> >Their evidence and arguments are sound.
> >> >> >Yours are not.
> >> >> A few astronomers say this. Many do not. Again, there is no evidence
> >> >> that the satellites are seriously impacting astronomy. A couple of
> >> >> survey projects with very fast, large aperture systems have issues.
> >> >> Which leaves 99% of the work largely unimpacted. Satellite tracks on
> >> >> images are not a problem.
> >> >
> >> >A few astronomers = MORE than peterson.
> >> >
> >> >AND they know about the subject and their own projects.
> >> >
> >> >We are going to listen to the astronomers, NOT to you.
> >> We. That would be you and the turd in your pocket, I presume.
> >
> >"We" is everyone else on the planet, not you. You are the turd.
> Well, I haven't noticed very many astronomers who are very concerned.
> You have ignored the two most salient points, which is that these
> satellites are not visible to the eye, and that satellite tracks are
> rarely problematic on images.

The fact that you are unobservant is not important.
The fact that the astronomers have valid concerns about space junk is important.

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by: W - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 10:28 UTC

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:34:32 PM UTC-4, Lou B wrote:
> Chris, you seem like the kind of guy who just wants to burn fossil fuels, eat steaks, and shit in the creek where other people drink.
> and that is fine, except nobody likes you.
>
> I catch satellite in my images all the time. is it a problem for me. not really. ruins a few subs. I'm not doing anything important. It's just a hobby.
> Weather or not astronomy in general is being impacted. Probably to some degree.
> If i was buying time on an expensive telescope array and a few things get messed up, maybe i miss the big dinosaur extinction meteor cause of Elon Musk's space crap.
>
> Is all the junk in the sky a problem for future satellite, most definitively yes.

peterson is primarily concerned about getting Internet service way out in the boonies.

He is also concerned about your carbon footprint, but not his own.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 13:02 UTC

On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT), Lou B <weegieb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Chris, you seem like the kind of guy who just wants to burn fossil fuels, eat steaks, and shit in the creek where other people drink.
>and that is fine, except nobody likes you.
>
>I catch satellite in my images all the time. is it a problem for me. not really. ruins a few subs. I'm not doing anything important. It's just a hobby.
>Weather or not astronomy in general is being impacted. Probably to some degree.
> If i was buying time on an expensive telescope array and a few things get messed up, maybe i miss the big dinosaur extinction meteor cause of Elon Musk's space crap.
>
>Is all the junk in the sky a problem for future satellite, most definitively yes.

Please explain how a satellite track ruins a sub. I've shot probably
500 ten-minute subs over the last month or two, and maybe one in five
has a satellite or airplane passing through, and not a one of those
subs didn't get integrated into the final image.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 13:02 UTC

On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 03:26:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 3:29:22?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 09:55:13 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:36:13?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 04:27:32 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 1:03:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> You should learn how to think. These constellations of satellites
>> >> >> >> aren't really naked eye objects, and they aren't bright enough to
>> >> >> >> create blooming in the majority of cameras, meaning they don't impact
>> >> >> >> either aesthetics or science.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The astronomers say otherwise.
>> >> >> >Their evidence and arguments are sound.
>> >> >> >Yours are not.
>> >> >> A few astronomers say this. Many do not. Again, there is no evidence
>> >> >> that the satellites are seriously impacting astronomy. A couple of
>> >> >> survey projects with very fast, large aperture systems have issues.
>> >> >> Which leaves 99% of the work largely unimpacted. Satellite tracks on
>> >> >> images are not a problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >A few astronomers = MORE than peterson.
>> >> >
>> >> >AND they know about the subject and their own projects.
>> >> >
>> >> >We are going to listen to the astronomers, NOT to you.
>> >> We. That would be you and the turd in your pocket, I presume.
>> >
>> >"We" is everyone else on the planet, not you. You are the turd.
>> Well, I haven't noticed very many astronomers who are very concerned.
>> You have ignored the two most salient points, which is that these
>> satellites are not visible to the eye, and that satellite tracks are
>> rarely problematic on images.
>
>The fact that you are unobservant is not important.
>The fact that the astronomers have valid concerns about space junk is important.

I'll stick with the 99% of astronomers who haven't suggested it's a
problem.

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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 07:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."
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by: W - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 14:54 UTC

On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 9:02:42 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 03:26:01 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 3:29:22?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 09:55:13 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:36:13?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 04:27:32 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 1:03:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> You should learn how to think. These constellations of satellites
> >> >> >> >> aren't really naked eye objects, and they aren't bright enough to
> >> >> >> >> create blooming in the majority of cameras, meaning they don't impact
> >> >> >> >> either aesthetics or science.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The astronomers say otherwise.
> >> >> >> >Their evidence and arguments are sound.
> >> >> >> >Yours are not.
> >> >> >> A few astronomers say this. Many do not. Again, there is no evidence
> >> >> >> that the satellites are seriously impacting astronomy. A couple of
> >> >> >> survey projects with very fast, large aperture systems have issues.
> >> >> >> Which leaves 99% of the work largely unimpacted. Satellite tracks on
> >> >> >> images are not a problem.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >A few astronomers = MORE than peterson.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >AND they know about the subject and their own projects.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >We are going to listen to the astronomers, NOT to you.
> >> >> We. That would be you and the turd in your pocket, I presume.
> >> >
> >> >"We" is everyone else on the planet, not you. You are the turd.
> >> Well, I haven't noticed very many astronomers who are very concerned.
> >> You have ignored the two most salient points, which is that these
> >> satellites are not visible to the eye, and that satellite tracks are
> >> rarely problematic on images.
> >
> >The fact that you are unobservant is not important.
> >The fact that the astronomers have valid concerns about space junk is important.
> I'll stick with the 99% of astronomers who haven't suggested it's a
> problem.

Those "99%" have NOT suggested that it isn't a problem.

So stick with the "1%" who have sounded the alarm.

(99% of passengers hadn't suggested that the Titanic would sink... for the first few minutes.)

Subject	Author
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Lou B
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	palsing
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	palsing
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	palsing
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	palsing
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Gerald Kelleher
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	palsing
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Gerald Kelleher
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Gerald Kelleher
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	Chris L Peterson
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W
Re: "Satellites and space debris are polluting our night skies."	W