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Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the easiest way possible-- voting// political science
by Archimedes Plutonium

Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians that would in my opinion make the Palestinians suffer even more of their 56 year occupation by Israel, their squalid living conditions and little hope of a free future. So I set myself to the task of figuring out the very finest and easiest solution to this nightmare of a problem for 4.8 million Palestinians opposed by 9.7 million Israelis that were occupying and oppressing them. The solution I came up with had to be such that it mobilized the Israelis along with the Palestinians in a tandem tied together solution. The solution I came up with was the simple act of Voting, especially voting for a prime minister in Israel. A solution that would end the bloodshed and ongoing violence. Sadly no-one took my recommendations in 2019, but now in October of 2023 with a huge attack upon Israelis by Hamas in Gaza strip, with hostages, and the threat of massive killing of Palestinians, here I am again proposing my solution.

Israelis are used to voting, not so the Arabs or Palestinians are __not used to voting__. But voting is what lifted Black Americans and lifted Native American Indians. And I am sure that voting will lift the Palestinians. For nothing is much worse than the present state of Palestinian peoples, living in poverty, squalor, little hope of a future.

Cover Picture: Is my photograph of a Google search on flags of Palestinians and Israel.

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1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.

2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.

3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole..

4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.

5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.

6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.

7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.

8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.

9) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.

10) The ever increasing Israel settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.

11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.

12) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.

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1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.

My plan started in 2019 after hearing of more of the then President Trump enslavement plan of the Palestinians.

My plan picks up momentum by January of 2020.

AP's Peace Plan for Palestine-Israeli Peace Plan (far better than the Trump enslavement plan) // Science Council Ruling Earth rather than frail weak minds of dictators or democracies.

Newsgroups: sci.physics
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:53:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AP's Peace Plan for Palestine-Israel Peace Plan (far better than the Trump enslavement plan) // Science Council Ruling Earth rather than frail weak minds of dictators or democracies
From: Archimedes Plutonium

Alright, I was watching DW news tonight with talk about the Trump-Netanyahu Plan. And that plan is really a confiscation of all the most desirable land, leaving the Palestinians with deserts, no water, and underground tunnels to get around. DW is an excellent news agency, and describing this Trump plan is something you might see in a "science fiction", and I would say, a "science fiction horror movie" not a government plan for a race of people of the Palestinians. I mean, well, Trump treats the Palestinians as if they were what? For I see no glimmer of dignity for the Palestinians.

Trump's plan in summary still leaves a Israeli occupation over Palestinians for they have no Airspace and their borders sealed. So, what is in it for the Palestinians-- nothing, but enslavement. And underground tunnels to get around in? And the stealing of all the land that is worthy.

So, I like to offer AP's Peace Plan. A plan that gives "Dignity to a race of people, whose dignity has been denied and stripped of them, with decades of occupation and settlement incursions on their land".

I propose that in the upcoming election between Benny Gantz and BB Netanyahu, coming up I believe in March, very soon indeed.

That the entire Palestinian Peoples all rise up and vote on that very same day. Vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu. Vote on papers, so the Palestinian government or Authorities can collect all the ballots and if need be, deposit them in the International Courts.

So, if all the Palestinians vote for Gantz, and he would win with that vote.. But the Israeli Netanyahu government not recognize the Palestinian vote and run off and say that BB won, for he only won by suppression of the Occupied Palestinians.

And here is where Abbas and the Palestinian Authority take all those paper votes and introduce them to the International Courts as evidence. Evidence of a occupied people, stripped of rights and dignity, with no land to call home.

Perhaps there is a law in International Laws that would dictate the Israeli's acknowledge the Palestinian votes of March 2020, and that Israel must accept those votes along with Israel's own votes. For there probably is something in International Laws, some precedent that forces Israel to accept the Palestinian votes on March 2020.

Saying that because the Palestinians are an Occupied and put in slavery by Israel, that the Palestinians have no land for which the Occupiers of Israel deny them of human dignity and rights of votes.

As long as Palestine is Occupied with no land, their rights of governance is denied them by Israel.

So, on the very same day that Israel votes for either Gantz or Netanyahu, have elections in Palestine on paper ballots voting for either Gantz or Netanyahu.

End this mockery of occupation, land stealing, and enslavement of a peoples..

The USA seems to have not wanted to be a "fair broker" especially since Trump gained office.

End the mockery, and let the International Courts settle this Palestine-Israel Conflict. USA seems unable to ever be a "fair broker", so let the International Court be the broker. And start that brokerage with the Israel March election.

Have the Palestinians all vote in that same election in their occupied territories, vote either for Gantz or Netanyahu. And if Israel does not count your votes, then haul all the paper ballots to the International Court, and let them decide, who the next Prime Minister of Israel is on March 2020.

The alternative then, is, Israel gives Palestinians all the West Bank and Gaza and removes the settlements, or, Palestine peoples will vote in every Israel election hence, forward.

2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.

It has been baffling for leaders of the USA and other western nations and allies, why Israel does not seem or want to conform to a two state solution. And where violence and war is ever brewing and simmering, a perpetual warring and bombing and missiling of Israel and Palestinians.

Baffling because, most western countries do not understand, almost every Israeli is feeling and passionately feeling the desire of Modern Israel be the same land that was Ancient Israel, with all of Jerusalem, not a portion of Jerusalem but all of Jerusalem.

Why, even the UK, United Kingdom, England has a national song with the word "Jerusalem" in the national song.

How many times, yes, how many times has the United States, the closest ally of Israel, asked Israel to stop settlement building on West Bank Palestinian land? Is it 100,000 times they asked Israel to stop building settlements on Palestinian land, saying "it is not helpful" in achieving a two state solution.

3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole..

And this is a modern anachronism of political science. Modern day people who look back in time of their country and seek that larger country it was in past times.

What if Mexico decided to regain its Ancient Mexico borders and started settlement building in USA state of Texas?

What if Russia decided it wants Ukraine land because in the past, it had Ukraine land, and so invades Ukraine.

What if China wants its old past border of what is now Vladivostok-- called Haishenwai under the great Qing dynasty. What if China wanted that back, now, do we go into World War 3 or 4?

What I am saying is that people, politicians looking to regain lands of Ancient times, only create havoc and panic and death to thousands of people over their misguided dreams and desires.

Humanity must go forward with hopes of a better world, better society, not backwards to regain what was lost in the past.

4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.

Archimedes Plutonium
Jan 29, 2020, 1:34:02 PM
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Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.

Sample Ballot (paper ballots)

Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark

Benny Gantz

Benjamin Netanyahu

signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice

Newsgroups: sci.physics
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:33:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots,
paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can
vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth
From: Archimedes Plutonium

Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth

Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.

Sample Ballot (paper ballots)

Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark

Benny Gantz

Benjamin Netanyahu

signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice

On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 2:08:54 PM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote in sci.physics:

Quoting Wikipedia—-

In 1965 the Voting Rights Act (VRA) put an end to individual states' claims on whether or not Natives were allowed to vote through a federal law. Section 2 of the VRA states that, "No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure, shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color". Further sections describe the measures taken if violations to this act are discovered.

However, efforts by states and municipalities to disenfranchise Native Americans are ongoing, such that there have been about 74 cases brought by or on behalf of Natives under the VRA or the Fourteenth or Fifteenth Amendment since 1965. These in the most part have proved to be successful to upholding the rights of Native Americans as citizens of the United States. Most of these cases are centered on states that have large reservations, or Native populations, such as New Mexico, Arizona and Oklahoma.
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---

5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 12:43:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Archimedes Plutonium
To: Plutonium Atom Universe <plutonium-a...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...

The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...

Otherwise, Israel will just claw away, nibble and naw away every strip of land of the Palestinians until there is no more West Bank or Gaza. As long as Israel can elect people like Netanyahu, there never will be a two state solution.

If Trump and Netanyahu had their wish, they would wish that cargo ships would dock at Israel ports and all Palestinians-- cattle prodded into boarding the ships and sent off to some remote spot on the globe. That is their solution.

In a sense, history is reliving the past of the Americans with the problem they called the "Indians". And they rounded them up and sent them to far off reservations. Much like Israel occupation of West Bank. Make no mistake about it, West Bank is just an Indian Reservation of the 1800s.

Finally, what gives dignity to the American Indian as gives dignity to all Americans, is the ability and Right to Vote. That these people, have the same Respect, same Right to Vote as the Israeli who lives in Jerusalem or lives in Tel Aviv.

If there is going to be a Two State Solution, it must start with getting the right to vote by Palestinians. So long as Israel elections are all about putting a PM in that continues to steal the land of West Bank, there will never be a two state solution.

The very moment that the Palestinian Votes for either Gantz or Netanyahu in 2 March, 2020 are counted, is the very moment that Israel will be committed to a Peace between Palestinians and Israelis.

me (Archimedes Plutonium)
Jan 29

No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swoping was ever going to bring Peace. The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as Voting.

I think the International Laws can be construed to the effect "If you are a democratic nation and is occupying the lands of another people, that the occupier should be forced to allow those occupied people the right to vote in their General Election." I would almost bet that the International Laws are construed to that effect.

It would mean that all the Palestinians occupied by the Democratic voting Israel are obliged by law to let the Palestinians vote on the 2 March 2020 election.

Vote for either

Benny Gantz

or

Benjamin Netanyahu

And the Palestinian votes be counted.

It would instantly give Respect and Dignity to all Palestinians, a respect and dignity denied them over these decades long occupation of their land, their homes, their freedom.

It would instantly cause the Israeli people to either go a Two State Solution in honesty, or, go the route of One and All Israel, but the Palestinians voting in elections.

When you think about it-- Peace was never going to happen in Israel-Palestine, until the stark reality of Palestinians voting.

No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swooping was ever going to bring Peace.

The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as Voting.

me (Archimedes Plutonium)
Jan 29

Re: No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swooping was ever going to bring Peace. The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as VOTING.

The Palestinian population is 5 million and the Israeli is 9 million. About a 1 to 2 in voting numbers.

Easiest way of solving Palestinian-Israel Conflict, give the Palestinians the right to vote in the 2 March Israel election for either Gantz or Netanyahu

The American Indian was treated horribly in human history by the white settlers, a painful horrible story of how people treat other people. And not until the American Indian was given equal rights in voting, voting for president, can we say, that the American Indian was shown respect, dignity as equals to others.

Israel has occupied the Palestinians since 1967 to present. That is over 50 years of occupation, and Palestinians not given a right to vote. Not given dignity, not given respect, but rather a continual stealing away of the land promised to them for a homeland state.

It is time this conflict is ended and to start the end of the conflict is to give Palestinians the right to vote in the March 2 Israel election between Benny Gantz and Benjamin Netanyahu.

I propose the Palestinians get paper ballots and vote on the same day the Israelis vote, and sign their ballots and if Israel rejects their votes, submit all the ballots to the International Court of Justice.

A people that are occupied and no voice in government, from a Democracy of Israel, seems like a crime, for without a voice, Israel has no reason to want peace, but rather to keep on stealing all Palestine land. And to give the Palestinians desert land near Gaza while Israel takes all the Jordan valley under the Trump plan, with Palestinians in underground tunnels, is more like a science fiction horror movie, than actual leaders of the USA making a legitimate proposal. Sounds like Trump wants to send the Palestinians to the Moon, rather than treat these people with respect and dignity.

When Trump leaves office, why not swap his gold tower in New York City for a stretch of the Mojave desert. Give his Mare Lago to animal reserve and let Trump get around by underground tunnels when he has to go to the bathroom..

AP

Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth.

Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.

Sample Ballot (paper ballots)

Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark

Benny Gantz

Benjamin Netanyahu

Signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice

Israel treats Palestinians, worse than what Americans treat Indians in the past-- occupation but no right to vote.

6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.

I remember a comment by someone in sci.math or sci.physics on this topic of why Israel treats the Palestinian people so harshly. And his comment was words to the effect. "They (Israelis) learned well from Europeans on how to subjugate, harass and steal from them, and so after all that learned in Northern Europe, they (Israelis) applied that learning upon the Palestinians".

Now to be sure the Palestinians were not always angels themselves and had many skirmishes and clashes. But in the end analysis of 2020 to 2023, it is purely seen as a Israeli bully on a subjugated peoples of Palestinians.

Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 2:19:35 AM
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Turning these ideas into AP's 259th book-- Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-- by voting their way out of violence.

Actually this is the easiest way to solve the conflict that has been nonstop violence from 1940s onward.

With the recent flare-up of war in the early week of October 2023, where Hamas attacks and Israel retaliates with war. Now, more than ever do we need the best and easiest resolution-- give everyone of age in Israel and in occupied territory give them all the right to vote in the next Israeli election.

If that had been done years back, then Netanyahu would not be PM now and there would likely be no war now.

When you strip people of all dignity, especially the right to vote who you want governing you, you end up with a constant violence, belligerence and war that we see Israel versus Palestine.

What raised the black people, the slaves in America, what lifted them into power and Dignity, was the right to vote. And they even elected a black President Barack Obama.
It is possible, and likely that as Israel is forced to allow its occupation of Palestine-- allow them to vote, that they well mass together and get a Prime Minister that favors a two state solution and favors a halt and stopping of settlement land grabbing stealing.

As long as we have no dignity for Palestinians, no vote, we have perpetual bloodshed and war.

7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.

Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 2:33:15 AM
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I am going to have to recall all my posts of the past on this topic and make this my 259th book of science-- political science.

There will never be an end to the Palestine-Israel Conflict until the Palestinians vote their way out of these endless stealing of their land and endless wars.

World's Easiest solution for Palestine-Israel Conflict-- count the votes by Palestinians in March 2 election of Gantz versus Netanyahu

If you are a Democracy and you Occupy other people and their land,
then you must allow all the voting age citizens of the Occupied land to vote in your election.
Palestine has Gaza and West Bank of population of 4.8 million, while Israel has population of 9.7 million.
All voting age Palestinians must have the right to vote in all Israel elections of Prime Minister.

I propose that the UN or EU gives Palestine ballots in elections of Israel prime ministers, and collects and counts those ballots, signature of voter on each ballot.

What this does is force Israel either into a Two State Solution, or forces them to no longer enslave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It brings peace to the region.

Otherwise, Israel is more like Russia on Ukraine. Russia bombing and trying to steal Ukraine. Not much different from Israel settlements in West Bank. Only Russia is a dictatorship while Israel is a Democracy. But Israel must be a ""full democracy"" for it Occupies the Palestinian lands and settlement stealing without giving them the right to vote in Israel elections of prime minister.

Prime Ministers elected _without the 4.8 million Palestinian input_, is going to be nothing but more Settlement building and leaving Palestinians either dead from war and their buildings destroyed and the people having to move out of the region to a foreign land.

Russia wants to steal all of Ukraine in fast time. Israel is stealing all of Palestinian land in slow time. That is the only difference between Russia on Ukraine and Israel on Palestine.

The world has tried the Israel slow steal from 1967 to today in October 2023. Time to try something new and different. Give the Palestinians the right to vote in the Israeli prime minister elections, possibly other elections also. Try voting out of this bloodshed and violence.

I write this as a War was begun by Hamas in early October 2023, and Israel retaliating as to crush Gaza, nothing new, same old same old from 1967 to October 2023. And at this rate, it is more like genocide of Palestinians than it is a tit for tat.

If my Voting Technique had been adopted by 2019, then Netanyahu would likely not be the prime minister of Israel. This war in October of 2023 would never have happened, because the cycle of steal Palestine land and bomb West Bank and Gaza while Occupation of West Bank and Gaza that cycle would be broken as the 4.8million votes from Palestine with the 9.7 million Israel votes would have elected a Prime Minister of Israel that is for the first time--- willing to solve this conflict that has dragged on from 1940 to 2023 of 63 years of nothing but hatred, bloodshed and violence, cycle after cycle. For what is really going on is a land stealing and pushing out of Palestinians.

Sadly , the USA has been an awful broker in this conflict, yet the USA learned this lesson themselves-- you have to give dignity to subjugated peoples-- the black slaves, the Native American Indians before them. Give them the dignity of Voting, and have them vote their way out of bloodshed and violence.

As for Russia on Ukraine, there is no voting in Russia-- only a farce of voting. And so the West with its Democracies must forcibly repel the Russian invasion.

I was alarmed to see that the USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid in 2023, while only giving Ukraine 24 billion dollars of aid in 2023 (please check those figures). If accurate, it should be the other way around-- Ukraine needs 128 billion dollars in aid while Israel with its no progress in the conflict of Palestine getting less than 24, if any at all.

Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 4:42:22 PM
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So, here we have an odd situation if those number figures are correct above.. We have Israel receiving 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, yet we have a Ukraine fighting for its very life receiving only 24 billion in aid from USA in 2023, over 5 times more aid to Israel. For what, so they can beat up on their Arab neighbors 5 times more effectively???

And I would like to ask the question of how much of the 128 billion dollars goes into directly or indirectly putting up construction of illegal settlements? Yet the US government has asked Israel to stop these settlements for it is not conducive to a two state solution.

So no wonder the House raucous caucus (they should rename the caucus to be "raucous"), no wonder the right wing extremists wanted to shut down the government last month in September, with idiotic appropriations of 128 billion to Israel and only 24 billion to Ukraine fighting for its life.

Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 11, 2023, 1:02:04 AM
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On DW news tonight was a Jewish historian lamenting the fact that Israel in its past history was mostly seen as a place of refuge and comfort and safety for Jews elsewhere in the world, persecuted and in harms way, and would see Israel as sanctuary.

Yet nowadays, Israel is likely to be one of the most dangerous places to be..

It is the Israeli government that has turned Israel into a land of harm and danger. For their priority is to get all the land of Ancient Israel and remove the Palestinians. The Two-State Solution harped on by the West, no-one in Israel wants to hear that, no, they want all of what was Ancient Israel, no matter the price.

The Jewish historian placed some of the blame on Netanyahu for this modern day irony-- Israel is no longer a safe harbor but one of the most dangerous places to be.

What my Voting Mechanism for a Peace Solution brings to the table, is the full consideration and dignity of 4.8 million Palestinians along with 9.7 million Israelis.

Once the 4.8 million Palestinians start voting in the election of a Israeli Prime Minister, and those votes count in who wins, we break the cycle of hatred and bloodshed. We return Israel as a haven for Jews elsewhere on the globe who want to go to Israel for rest, relaxation, uplift and safety.

It is Voting that lifted the black slaves and lifted the Native American Indians, lifted them in dignity and in equal rights, mind you we still have a long ways to go on equality, but with the Vote, it started the road to equality.

Same way, giving the enslaved and occupied Palestinians a voice in the next Israeli Prime Minister starts the Middle East on a new path of safety, security and peace.

Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 11, 2023, 10:45:40 PM
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A spokes-person for Palestinians was very eloquent and logical tonight on PBS Newshour. He kept talking about the "root cause" of bloodshed and war in Israel and Palestine, the root cause that Israel wants no two state solution but to push out all Palestinians

In my opinion, the status quo is either kill Palestinians in skirmishes or push them out of their land with more settlement building. This reminds one of a apartheid in Israel-Palestine, a worse apartheid then what happened in South Africa.

I myself am ashamed of how the USA continues to back the bully-- Israel, in their land stealing settlements, their occupation of Palestinians, their continual driving them out of their homes and land. To me, the Israel -- Palestine wars is no different than the Russia invasion on Ukraine. That Israel is much like Russia in stealing land from other people and resorting to genocide, genocide of Ukrainians by Russians, same as genocide of Palestinians by Israelis.

If the UN and EU had adopted AP's resolution-- allow the occupied Palestinians vote in every Israel election for Prime Minister have Palestinians 4.8 million vote in that election-- would have caused no Netanyahu as prime minister and would have likely no war in Oct 2023,--- instead, closer to a Peace and a Two State Solution.

Russia invasion of Ukraine is fast steal of land with genocide of Ukrainians. Israel on Palestine is a slow steal of land, but equally a genocide of Palestinians.

I am appalled that USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, while only giving 24 billion dollars to Ukraine in 2023. Seems turned around backwards. Ukraine needs 128 billion-- Israel needs less than 24 billion-- and only any aid so long as they stop settlement building and fast track a Two State Solution.

8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.

Archimedes Plutonium
5:56 PM, 12Oct2023
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Hamas-- release the hostages so that Palestinians can get water, food, aid. ___And demand___ that all Palestinians 4.8million have the right to vote for the next Israeli prime minister. Ballots counted by UN & EU. If this had been in place in 2019, there would be no Netanyahu prime minister and this war of 2023.

Israel-- accept the fact that you have occupied Palestinians for 56 years, longest occupation in human history, accept the fact that you wrongly build settlements on Palestinian land, and thus, accept the fact that 4.8 million Palestinians will vote for your Israel prime minister in all future elections until there is a ___Two State Solution____, living side by side in peace.

Israel, admit that you are no better than Russia trying to steal Ukraine. Russia wants a fast steal the land, while Israel does a slow steal to try to capture all of Ancient Israel. Both are doing genocide of people.

Vote yourself out of this non ending violence, cycle of bloodshed and violence.

Vote, vote, vote, is the answer

Sadly, USA is siding with a bully, not a fair broker. USA siding with Israel, is no better than USA siding with Russia trying to steal Ukraine.

8) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.

Archimedes Plutonium
9:36 PM, 12Oct2023
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So, the Palestinians in the Palestine-Israeli conflict remind me of a Greek tragedy myth. I forgotten the name of the woman in the myth. I believe I heard the story from Sister Wendy when she was describing art paintings.

The story goes like this as far as I can remember. This Greek woman was with child and servants and the land was under war and she had to evacuate. So she entrusted her child to a servant with a sum of money to go to a foreign land that was safe and she would join up with them. She finally makes the journey herself and gets to the beach where her servant and child landed and is fearful that something wrong happened. She eventually discovers her child was killed by the servant and the money taken. So there she is, all alone, in grief and little hope.

There are 4.8 million Palestinians under occupation for 56 years, and 9.7 million Israelis who seem to be doing nothing but increasing new settlement building on Palestinian land.

It is as if the Israelis wanted a attack on Israel so that they could bulldoze all of Gaza into the ocean and make Gaza a new Israeli settlement.

Russia wants a fast steal of Ukraine land. Israel is happy with a slow steal of Palestinian land.

I question the aid to Israel of 128 billion US dollars yet only 24 billion for Ukraine. How much of the 128 billion US aid is going into building new settlements on Palestinian land?

Like the Greek woman tragedy, finding her son killed by the servant and her money stolen, breaks her heart and no hope of a future. The Palestinians have been occupied and living in squalor for 56 years under the Israel oppression.

Time to try something new--- have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote in the next Israel prime minister election, and their votes counted by the UN or EU and applied to who becomes the next prime minister of Israel, and have this in every election until and unless a Two State Solution is finally worked out.

At the rate we are going now on this conflict, the Israelis will kill or deport all Palestinians and steal all their land by a decade from now.

Hamas and violence is no answer. Please return all hostages. But do add a conditional clause-- have Palestinians vote in the next Israeli prime minister election. Hamas solves nothing, but only intensifies more bloodshed and the removal or killing of all Palestinians.

The Solution--- vote your way to freedom and a Two State Solution.

AP

Early morning of 13Oct2023, I wrote this in sci.physics,sci.math,plutonium-atom-universe newsgroups.

Netanyahu and his war cabinet-- totally unhinged. They want 1.1 million in the Gaza strip to move south.

--- quoting BBC ---
Where is Wadi Gaza?
As we've reported, the Israeli military has told the UN that everyone living north of Wadi Gaza should relocate in the next 24 hours - the UN says this amounts to about 1.1 million people.

The Wadi Gaza is a river valley located around the centre of the Gaza Strip, snaking across its entire width and ending in the Mediterranean Sea. It is known for its coastal wetlands and biodiversity.

This close-up of a UN map, where Wadi Gaza is represented by a brown dotted line at the bottom, shows that the area affected by Israel's evacuation order includes Gaza City, the enclave's largest city.

--- end quoting BBC ---

AP says, in the past 2 decades Israel has not chosen the path to peace and a two state solution. Israel just went the same old same old-- Occupation of the Palestinians, more horrible living conditions for 4.8 million Palestinians and the stealing of more Palestinian land for new settlements.

Why is not America ashamed of itself for aiding this bully prime minister and his bully country.

Russia wants to steal Ukraine land and genocide of Ukrainians.

Israel wants to steal Palestinian land and genocide of Palestinians. Why is the USA on the side of this bully?

Surely it is atrocious what Hamas did. But when Israel keeps itself on a path of stealing land and genocide of Palestinians, this is what happens-- Israel is no longer safe.

I propose Voting to end the Conflict. Have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote alongside the 9.7 million Israelis for a new prime minister. Do that tomorrow. Netanyahu is not for the betterment of Israel or anyone else, and this violence is going to become worse the longer the unhinged Netanyahu is in charge.

Can Mr. Gantz replace Netanyahu tomorrow??? For a change in leadership is really needed. Someone with a cooler head, a cooler mind.

10) The ever increasing Israel settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.

In American history there is the story of American Indians being displaced from their lands and put on reservations. It is reportedly said by one Indian Chief-- "What you do speaks so loudly, that I cannot hear what it is you are saying".

This reported wise words from an Indian Chief aptly describes Israel from 1967 onwards-- they never listen to anyone especially those with a Two State Solution. No, what Israel is after is all the lands of Ancient Israel, and to hell with anyone else on Earth.

Ever since 1967, Israel has been on one and only one mission-- Ancient Israel lands all be Israel.

Nothing speaks more loud and more clearly that this is the only goal and motivation of Israel than settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.

Israel land area 20,770 km^2

West Bank 5,655 km^2

Gaza strip 365 km^2

Rhode Island 4,000km^2 smallest state in USA

Delaware 6,400 km^2

Connecticut 14,300 km^2

Israel size land area 20,770km^2

Washington D.C. 158km^2

Vermont 23,900 km^2

New Hampshire 24,200 km^2

Germany 357,600 km^2
Montana 376,980 km^2
California 403,900 km^2
Texas 676,500 km^2

Ukraine, second largest European country after Russia
603,500 km^2

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Greater Israel (Hebrew: ארץ ישראל השלמה; Eretz Yisrael Hashlema) is an expression, with several different biblical and political meanings over time. It is often used, in an irredentist fashion, to refer to the historic or desired borders of Israel.

Currently, the most common definition of the land encompassed by the term is the territory of the State of Israel together with the Palestinian territories. Other definitions, favored by Revisionist Zionist, included the territory of the former Emirate of Transjordan and the Sinai Peninsula.

History
Promised Land

The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.
Main article: Promised Land
The Bible contains three geographical definitions of the Land of Israel. The first, found in Genesis 15:18–21, seems to define the land that was given to all of the children of Abraham, including Ishmael, Zimran, Jokshan, Midian, etc. It describes a large territory, "from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates".

The other definitions are found in the Book of Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy 11:24, Deuteronomy 1:7, the Book of Numbers, Numbers 34:1–15, and the Book of Ezekiel, Ezekiel 47:13–20. The definition in Numbers and Ezekiel refers to the land that was divided between the original Twelve tribes of Israel after they were delivered from Egypt, and finally, the borders defined in the book of Deuteronomy are those that will be given to the children of Israel slowly throughout the years, Exodus 23:29 & Deuteronomy 7:22).
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11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.

We see news of Russia's invasion and war in Ukraine almost every day since 2022 and 2023. How Putin's Russia is wanting a fast steal of Ukraine.

Not many people know that Ukraine is one of the richest soils of all the soils on Earth and can grow almost anything in lush abundance. It is the breadbasket of Europe, perhaps the world with its chernozem soil. So it is easy to understand why Putin lusts to have Ukraine land.

And Putin is a bully and wants a fast steal.

But again, we live in a new modern era of Atomic bombs and missiles that could blow up the world, and this anachronism of wanting past lands is a dangerous desire.

Besides, humanity has far more bigger problems to solve-- our Sun has gone Red Giant Phase and if we do not put a permanent colony on Jupiter's satellite Europa in the next 1,000 years, we could face extinction and oblivion of all life on Earth. And in that perspective, we see how a Putin's invasion of Ukraine was all petty and small minded. For after 1,000 years into the future, everyone will want to leave Earth for safe sanctuary on Europa, or become toast to the Sun.

12) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.

Imagine a Israel-Palestine so peaceful, so happy, all because of Voting.

Archimedes Plutonium
11:05 AM, 19Oct2023
to Plutonium Atom Universe, sci.math
--- quoting Wikipedia on Israel settlement building ---
The international community widely regards Israeli settlements in the occupied territories illegal under international law.[461] United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334, passed on 23 December 2016 in a 14–0 vote by members of the U.N. Security Council (UNSC) with the United States abstaining. The resolution states that Israel's settlement activity constitutes a "flagrant violation" of international law, has "no legal validity" and demands that Israel stop such activity and fulfill its obligations as an occupying power under the Fourth Geneva Convention.[462] A United Nations special rapporteur concluded that settlement program was a war crime under the Rome Statute,[463] and Amnesty International found that the settlement program constitutes an illegal transfer of civilians into occupied territory as well as amounting to "pillage", which is prohibited by both the Hague Conventions and the Geneva Conventions as well as being a war crime under the Rome Statute.[464]
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What AP would like to know is that we often compare foreign countries geography size with a state of the USA. For example, Germany size is often quoted as being the size of Oregon-- not sure if that has changed ever since East Germany was acquired by West Germany.

But what is the size of Israel by a USA State comparison?? Is it the size of New Hampshire? What is the size of West Bank and Gaza strip for Palestinians? When combined is it the size of Vermont?

And what is the size of Israel illegal settlements to date in 2023? Is it the size of Rhode Island, perhaps by now the size of Delaware or Connecticut?

With Illegal Settlement building, it is easy to see that the main and major political thrust and drive of the Israel elected government is to recover all of Ancient Israel, and to push out all Arabs on the land that is Ancient Israel, by hook or crook. And that every election of prime minister in Israel without the voting count of Palestinians of 4.8 million, is only going to be a person who furthers the land grab stealing of making modern Israel be the same as Ancient Israel. And those running for office need never say in their campaigns-- our agenda is Ancient Israel restored, never needs mentioning for that is understood in feeling and passion of every Israeli citizen. To the consternation of the UN and western nations pleading for a Two-State Solution. As of October 2023, no Israeli wants a two state solution when they can have a Ancient Israel.

And this is why Voting is the only sensible solution in solving this Conflict. For Voting then denies the insane quest of restoring Ancient Israel to be Modern Israel, as the Palestinian population of 4.8 million versus Israeli 9.7million prevent leaders of Israel doing their land grab agenda.

In fact, I predict that as Voting to all Palestinians and all Israelis, that the Palestinians get so used to having a Israeli prime minister, that they decide to stay with Israel government and not want the Two State Solution.. Because a joined in voting Palestinian population benefits from an economic shared Israeli population. Much like the Palestinians that are Israeli citizens living in Israel now.

Voting will free Palestine and end the Israel Palestine Conflict. Vote your way into freedom, peace and everlasting happiness.

In fact, I also predict that as Israel Palestine vote their way into better lives, that the dictators and dictatorial countries like Iran, North Korea, China, Russia will be so alarmed over the peace and security and happiness that is budding and brewing in Israel-Palestine that they become fearful of voting will take hold in their countries and remove and oust their current dictators.

AP

Commentary:

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 4:56:12 PM UTC-5, Timothy Golden wrote in sci.physics:
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> I very much apologize for getting off of track here. In honor of the OP; Mitch; I'm returning to the top, but am recently reading APs diatribe:

Hi Tim, I appreciate your follow up. I really would not call it a diatribe, but a diaspora of the poor Palestinian people being homeless as Israel continues to steal land rather than their avowed Two State Solution. So the entire world does not have to baby sit Israel with its continual warring started in 1967 with no end in sight. Israel should stop its propaganda of how they are being harassed when they are the harassers of Palestinian people. And whenever anyone tries explaining the Palestinian plight, they are falsely labeled by Israel as --antisemitic.

Let the Palestinian people who are occupied-- let them Vote in every Israel election as the way forward for Peace in that region. When you get war-like fools like Netanyahu in office, you just have more and more killing for the purpose of more and more land stealing. If Palestinians had voted in 2019-- there be no Netanyahu warrior and there be no war of 2023.

Watch I bet Netanyahu wants to bulldoze and scrape all of Gaza into the nearest ocean and them start settlement buildings in Gaza , while the 2 million Palestinians are stranded in northern Egypt.

Israel was never committed to a Two State Solution, no, it was committed to restoring Ancient Israel-- a Greater Israel over all the lands it had in Ancient times-- and to hell to anyone living on those Ancient lands.

> "11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.
> We see news of Russia's invasion and war in Ukraine almost every day since 2022 and 2023. How Putin's Russia is wanting a fast steal of Ukraine.
> Not many people know that Ukraine is one of the richest soils of all the soils on Earth and can grow almost anything in lush abundance. It is the breadbasket of Europe, perhaps the world with its chernozem soil. So it is easy to understand why Putin lusts to have Ukraine land.
> And Putin is a bully and wants a fast steal. But again, we live in a new modern era of Atomic bombs and missiles that could blow up the world, and this anachronism of wanting past lands is a dangerous desire. Besides, humanity has far more bigger problems to solve-- our Sun has gone Red Giant Phase and if we do not put a permanent colony on Jupiter's satellite Europa in the next 1,000 years, we could face extinction and oblivion of all life on Earth. And in that perspective, we see how a Putin's invasion of Ukraine was all petty and small minded. For after 1,000 years into the future, everyone will want to leave Earth for safe sanctuary on Europa, or become toast to the Sun."
> I am really appreciating AP's stuff here. Is this really his? I am not saying that I agree with it; only that some of it is a good read. Cheers, AP!

Cheers to you. Say, Tim, Richard Feynman was scientific and unfortunately was born a Jew. I really hate this idea that some is borne into a religion and not his/her own volition of deciding what their faith is. Sometime in the past history of my Usenet posting I proposed that a person can remove their "Jewish identity of being borne a Jew without that persons consent as they grow into adulthood" remove that ill wanted identity, by having a cell of different genetic material implanted into the body that is benign, and thus able to say-- their mother was not Jewish, and that the person is now FREE, of free will to decide what his her religious beliefs are. No wonder many religions call the Jewish religion a racist religion when they dictate you are one of them when your entire belief system is the opposite.

So, Tim, did Dr. Feynman ever voice concern about the Palestinian-Israel Conflict and give what would be Dr. Feynman's solution of ending that conflict. I would be amazed if he was quiet about that issue.

Perhaps one of his books he wrote has clues to his feelings and thoughts of the Israel Palestine Conflict.

AP