On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:22:02 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 2:55:24 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:53:42 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:59:55 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > >>>> Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
> > >>>>> russell...@yahoo.com <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> > >>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> > >>>>>>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> > >>>>>>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> > >>>>>>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> > >>>>>>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> > >>>>>>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
> > >>>>>>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> > >>>>>>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> > >>>>>>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> > >>>>>>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> > >>>>>>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
> > >>>>>>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
> > >>>>>> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
> > >>>>>> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
> > >>>>>> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
> > >>>>>> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
> > >>>>>> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
> > >>>>>> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
> > >>>>>> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
> > >>>>>> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
> > >>>>>> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
> > >>>>>> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
> > >>>>> and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
> > >>>>> Has Tom moved next door to Lou?
> > >>>> I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
> > >>>> those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
> > >>>> higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
> > >>>> necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
> > >>>> than due to landscape features.
> > >>>> Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?
> > >>>
> > >>> Typically when I am recording climbing it is over 5% and the Garmin is
> > >>> accurate since it uses an altimeter rather than GPS triangulation.
> > >>>
> > >> Even so the climbing is somewhat low as a ratio of the distance, I live and
> > >> commute across london which is flat, the north Downs are lumpy and in
> > >> places steep but mountains they are not.
> > >>
> > >> So with two weeks off due illness, I’m at 342miles and 9456 ft/2894meters
> > >> climbed.
> > >>
> > >> The vast majority of my rides (commutes) are flat 150ft for just under
> > >> 12miles each way, most folks do a lot more climbing per distance for that
> > >> reason,
> > >>
> > >> Though I do hilly gravel/MTB rides the total distance is quite low per
> > >> year.
> > >
> > > I'm not familiar with London but perhaps it suffers from large and often
> > > pressure fronts that move in and out fairly rapidly? This is something
> > > that is unusual most places such as here where a pressure front usually
> > > takes a week or more to move through. Altimeters use atmospheric pressure
> > > to detect climbing and are very sensitive as you would expect, for fronts
> > > moving in and out will show as climbing and/or descending.
> > >
> > It’s a temperate climate but no not really a feature, clearly does have
> > fronts moving in mostly in winter, but it’s fairly stable as to the height
> > gained, and generally is believable considering the route for either my
> > commute or Gravel/MTB rides.
> >
> > Most units will recalculate, to known heights etc. so while it’s true there
> > is some variably it’s a few feet over a big ride than by the 1000ft or so.
> My altimeter on both the Garmin and the Levon (I think it is - a speedo with altitude and rate of climb) report every 3 feet on climbs so they are extremely sensitive to even rollers.

Because the ears broke off of my 810 I ordered another rear case. But I also decided that since I intend to ride until something forcibly stops me I will buy a new Garmin 830 from the factory. My local bike shop put it on order and he will sell it to me cheaper than you can get used ones on Ebay for.. Hopefully this one will include an operation manual since it appears to be entirely touch screen. I have all of the pickups - speed, cadence and heart-rate already. I installed the 800 on my Trek and the operating system on that is actually easier to figure out than the 810. It took me less than 5 minutes to train it to my sensors. I could pick up the 810 right now and it would take me 15 minutes to find the screen to change the sensors.