On 2/10/2022 5:45 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:43:37 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/9/2022 10:55 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 1:13:27 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 9:54:04 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 16:30:27 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
>>>>> <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jay, like so many others who have left RBT, simply got fed up with all of the BS and non-bicycling crap of this newsgroup.
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> These are two of Jay's last postings to RBT, in response to comments
>>>>> by Tom and Andre on Dec 8 and 9, 2021:
>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/4qYIy9_jTY0/m/bdhD9R-xCAAJ>
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF are you talking about -- if anything? My simple point -- perhaps
>>>>> not simple enough for you -- is that civil forfeiture has been around
>>>>> forever. Andre is just stirring the pot with old news -- instead of
>>>>> perhaps writing some new and dreadful piece of bad fiction, or doing
>>>>> something at least marginally useful like polishing the bell on his
>>>>> Utopia Crackpot. In fact, Massachusetts has been studying its civil
>>>>> forfeiture law since 2019. It probably will modify the standard or
>>>>> proof (although that is yet to be seen), but more fundamentally WHAT
>>>>> THE F**** DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH BIKES? It's not even technical.
>>>>> You and Andre just want to spew political nonsense far and wide. STFU.
>>>>> At least try to write something remotely technical. Or just try
>>>>> factual to start. Small steps.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/4qYIy9_jTY0/m/DJ4RdE76CAAJ>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is going on with me is that I have finally hit my limit with
>>>>> lunatics like you. It reminds me of teaching and always having to
>>>>> coddle the dope at the back of the class who has to blurt out some
>>>>> nonsense answer. One finally gets tired of saying, "well. Jimmy, I
>>>>> guess Jesus could have walked with the dinosaurs in Texas . . . " Now
>>>>> its "Jimmy, you're a f****** lunatic. You need serious mental health
>>>>> care. Go get that immediately." As Sir says, I should really just
>>>>> ignore you, but since I'm on a coffee break, what the hell.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, in conclusion, STFU. At least try to post on a technical subject,
>>>>> and when doing that, don't spew nonsense numbers, made-up facts,
>>>>> speculation, etc., etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>>> Jay did FAR more than his share of changing the subject. Or don't you remember that those people burning down police stations and looting stores were "just peaceful protesters"?
>>>
>>> https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/554548-ron-johnson-jan-6-capitol-riot-was-largely-peaceful-not-an-insurrection
>>> Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) suggested on Wednesday that the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 was not an insurrection but a largely "peaceful protest."
>>>
>>> "Even calling it an insurrection, it wasn't," Johnson said during an appearance on Fox News's "Ingraham Angle." "You know, I condemned the breach. I condemned the violence, but to say there were thousands of armed insurrectionists breaching the Capitol intent on overthrowing the government is just simply false narrative."
>>>
>>> Johnson said he has spoken to some of his constituents in Wisconsin that were present at a "Stop the Steal" rally on the National Mall and at the U.S. Capitol that day.
>>>
>>> "By and large, it was peaceful protest, except for there were a number of people, basically agitators that whipped the crowd and breached the Capitol. That's really the truth of what's happening here," Johnson said.
>>>
>>> Videos taken at the Capitol that day show hundreds of pro-Trump protesters storming the complex as a joint session of Congress met inside to certify President Joe Biden's Electoral College victory.
>>>
>>> Several rioters were seen violently attacking members of Capitol Police and journalists covering the event.
>>>
>> It's a judgement call and you see it differently. Which is fine.
>>
>> With something like 150,000 people all together and at most
>> a few dozen provocateurs, others make a different analysis.
>
> The January 6 rally that Trump spoke at contained about 10,000 or so people. There is an AP estimate in the below link. Maybe more than 10k even. 10-12k or so. But 150k as you state? You live in Madison Wisconsin. Wisconsin has football games there. 150k is DOUBLE the attendance at one of those games. The entire city of Madison has 255k population. 150k would be over half the entire population of Madison. Every man woman and child in Madison. Were there that many people Trump was speaking to? You would need about 1/2 mile diameter space to hold all those people. Or more space. Is there that much empty space in all of Washington DC? So I am going to say your crowd size estimate of 150k is about 10 to 15 times too high.
> https://www.newsweek.com/trump-claims-jan-6-rally-size-censored-media-crowd-was-biggest-hes-seen-1667199
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack
> "On January 6, 2021, a mob of 2,000–2,500 supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump attacked the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C."
> So about 20-25% of the crowd watching Trump and the other agitators speak decided to attack the Capital and overthrown the USA democratic process. One fourth or one fifth of a 10k crowd is quite a bit more than a few dozen provocateurs.
>
> A Google search brought up 769 people charged in connection with the January 6 riot as of January 31, 2022.
> https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
> The above link is from the government showing each individual case. Its a really long list. Takes a few minutes to scroll to the bottom. Hundreds of cases on this webpage.
>
> I presume no one on this forum was at the January 6, 2021 riot, insurrection, attempted coup. Not even Tommy boy bothered to go to DC and fight for his idol's lies. But many of the people who were not there watching it in person seem to under represent or under estimate its size and what happened. And of course many of those there that day now claim it never happened and we should just forget about it and the people were just tourists. An analogy. I visited the leaning tower of Pisa. In person it is awe inspiring. It looks like it is going to fall over on you right now. But in pictures or videos, yes its leaning, but you cannot get the true perspective of how much it is leaning and what it looks like when you are seeing it with your own eyes. I'm sure there are many other things where seeing it yourself with your own eyes is completely different than pictures or videos.
>
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>>
>> As with the known Antifa jerk who ran his car through a
>> crowd in Ottawa this week, or the two with swastika and CSA
>> flags, a conclusion that the protesting truckers are nazi
>> rebel killers would be an overreach. Which of course didn't
>> stop Mr Sloly. meh.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally
> Back in August 2017 in Charlottesville Virginia the various bad groups held a rally. And one of them ran his car into a group of opponents and killed one and injured 35. Not all of the people at the rally were murderers or evil people. As Trump said, there were many fine people on both sides.
>

Crowd size:
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-classified-documents-reveal-number-january-6-protestors-1661296

Persistent and pernicious misquote of Mr Trump:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html#!

direct quotation regarding Charlottesville:
“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists
because they should be condemned totally.”

Pathetic sap who ran over a woman in Charlottesville:

He been attacked by Antifa surrounding his car, panicked and
killed her while fleeing. A tragedy all around, but hardly a
premeditated or intended act. I've seen the complete video,
can't find it in a cursory search.

Small interesting things regarding 6 January 2020-

Two pipe bombs were dropped the evening prior, one at DNC HQ
and one at RNC HQ. The bomber is shown on security video.
First bomb was discovered at 1pm, before Mr Trump's speech.
FBI and Capitol Police have not pursued that whatsoever.

Several of those charged have video evidence of walking
around aimlessly, chatting up Capitol Police, not doing much
of anything. Still held in the local lockup under dismal
conditions a year later. Almost all are charged with
'trespass', a minor misdemeanor, despite having walked
through open doors and exchanging pleasantries with the
guards on the way in.

The more serious charges are under a statute of threatening
the President or Vice president at the Capitol or other
Federal building. This week, it turns out that the charges
are false; Mr Pence was not in fact at the Capitol at all.
Still they sit, mostly in solitary, a year later.

Several known paid agitators, not least of which is John
Sullivan, were 'questioned and released'. Mr Sullivan, from
SLC, has a website 'InsurgenceUSA' of left/anarchist
leanings and was involved on the Antifa side of riots in
several west coast cities summer/autumn 2020. Never jailed
BTW. He was bashing in the interior door next to Ms Ashli
Babbett when she was shot.

Recently FOIA released Capitol Security and bodycam video
shows the shooter twenty feet away from the door, and other
Capitol Police in the crowd behind Ms Babbett. That's a
fundamentally wrong shot period, and especially for a peace
officer. Internal Affairs didn't find that interesting so
they just moved along.

Lots more 'loose ends' to 6 January 2020, but The Narrative
steamrolls the details...

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