On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 11:10:56 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/25/2022 10:32 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 2/24/2022 6:06 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 12:02:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 2/24/2022 11:19 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>>> On 2/23/2022 10:49 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 5:49:51 PM UTC-8,
> > >>>>> AMuzi wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 2/23/2022 6:44 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 12:27:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > >>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 9:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 7:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 8:31 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, of course I was ridiculing Franks
> > >>>>>>>>>>> assertion, at
> > >>>>>>>>>>> least as I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> understood him, that somehow one would be more,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> or less,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> stricken by
> > >>>>>>>>>>> grief depending on the cause of death.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> You're being totally unrealistic, in a foolish
> > >>>>>>>>>> attempt to
> > >>>>>>>>>> pursue a nonsense argument.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Neither individuals nor society treat all deaths
> > >>>>>>>>>> as equal,
> > >>>>>>>>>> nor have identical feelings about all deaths.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> The death of an elderly person who has lived a
> > >>>>>>>>>> full life is
> > >>>>>>>>>> one thing. Perhaps it is regrettable depending on
> > >>>>>>>>>> conditions, but often people remark "Well, it was
> > >>>>>>>>>> time" or
> > >>>>>>>>>> something similar.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> The death from natural causes of a middle aged or
> > >>>>>>>>>> younger
> > >>>>>>>>>> person is generally treated as a bit more
> > >>>>>>>>>> regrettable. A
> > >>>>>>>>>> similar death of a child even more so.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> An accidental death of those people triggers yet more
> > >>>>>>>>>> regret, and may lead to anger at how such a thing
> > >>>>>>>>>> could be
> > >>>>>>>>>> allowed to happen.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> The murder of a person rightfully triggers outrage
> > >>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>> criminal prosecution.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> The murder of a child, even more outrage.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> The killing of 20 children sitting in school is
> > >>>>>>>>>> considered
> > >>>>>>>>>> truly heinous. At least, by people who are not
> > >>>>>>>>>> avid fans of
> > >>>>>>>>>> the weapon used.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Yes I understand you and you're not wrong in
> > >>>>>>>>> principle but policy
> > >>>>>>>>> based
> > >>>>>>>>> on anomalies doesn't always work out well.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> A British-born engineer and colleague of mine in the
> > >>>>>>>> 1970s used to
> > >>>>>>>> mock
> > >>>>>>>> a slogan the NRA promoted in those days. He said
> > >>>>>>>> "And when bombs are
> > >>>>>>>> outlawed, only outlaws will have bombs."
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I wonder if today's pretend soldiers will use the
> > >>>>>>>> Second Amendment to
> > >>>>>>>> call for free use and possession of bombs?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You are slipping right down into the throes of silly
> > >>>>>>> ness.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Your colleague's mocking comment is pretty silly as
> > >>>>>>> today, in the
> > >>>>>>> U.S., several states with rather severe hand gun
> > >>>>>>> control laws are
> > >>>>>>> finding more and more being smuggled into the state.
> > >>>>>>> So it is a truism
> > >>>>>>> that when guns are outlawed only criminals will have
> > >>>>>>> guns.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might try a google search on "gun+smuggle". I get
> > >>>>>>> 15,600,000
> > >>>>>>> "hits".
> > >>>>>>> https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/gun-trafficking-ring-ohio-camden-new-jersey-weapons-arrests/205248/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> +1
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Out here in the actual world it's the same market
> > >>>>>> phenomenon
> > >>>>>> as dope. Prohibition or hyper regulatory tax schemes
> > >>>>>> guarantee a higher profit to contraband.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> OK, you guys have convinced me! Laws never work, so we
> > >>>>> should outlaw
> > >>>>> all laws. Got it!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> (Since this is Usenet, I may have to say that was
> > >>>>> sarcasm.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Suggestions welcome.
> > >>>
> > >>> OK:
> > >>>
> > >>> Canadian laws.
> > >>>
> > >>> British laws.
> > >>>
> > >>> French laws.
> > >>>
> > >>> Heck, Swiss laws. Lots of guns, but in "well regulated
> > >>> militias." And
> > >>> far, far less gun crime than the U.S.
> > >>>
> > >>> Very few developed nations emulate the U.S.
> > >>
> > >> Re Canadian laws...
> > >>
> > >> I did a bit of research and Canada has a far lower
> > >> incident of violent
> > >> crime, i.e. law breaking, then the U.S.
> > >>
> > >> Do you suppose that this is a matter of better laws or is
> > >> it a matter
> > >> of a more law abiding people?
> > >> And, I suspect the same applies to The British, and the
> > >> Swiss.
> > >
> > > Got it. It has nothing to do with laws or national policies!
> > > The people in (say) Windsor, Ontario are a different species
> > > than those in (say) Detroit, Michigan. Their motivations,
> > > morals, reflexes and behaviors are all very, very different.
> > > And the people south of that border can never, ever be
> > > expected to stop trying to kill one another.
> > >
> > > I'm learning so much here!
> > >
> > > (Again, please note the sarcasm.)
> > >
> > Canada is a different culture than US of A:
> > https://news.yahoo.com/woman-beat-hammer-nyc-subway-163303361.html
> >
> > That's not an isolated incident. We are a much more violent
> > country.
> For some reason we're not supposed to recognize that blacks who now comprise some 7% of the population

Black MALES comprise about 7% of the population. Black FEMALES comprise about 7% of the population. 2020 census says blacks (male AND female) make up about 13.4% of the USA population.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221

commit fully 50% of the homicides and much larger percentages of lesser crimes. This is certainly not to degrade blacks since it is because the Federal Government made it necessary to not have a man in the house for families to draw welfare. Black boys growing up without a male figure of authority turned to gangs as male leadership and hence what we presently have.
>
> However, things are the way they are and lawlessness can only be controlled by strict enforcement of laws.