On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:31:29 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/3/2022 6:36 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 13:53:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/2/2022 8:45 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:16:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 3/2/2022 12:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 3/2/2022 10:10 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/1/2022 8:40 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 19:40:29 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 4:34 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 2:52 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 3:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 1:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 11:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 10:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you explain to me _why_ you think Canadians
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inherently? genetically? ... more civilized than
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll have a point.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, your explanation should also apply to Brits,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irish,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> French, Swedes and so many other countries that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fewer gun deaths than the U.S. (Since you brought
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> subject, I'll rely on you to look up their rates of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other violent crimes.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until you come up with a better explanation, I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume that differences in gun death rates have a lot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with their national policies, as implemented by their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Briefly, my view is that national policies make a big
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference in how people behave.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your view is, apparently, "Americans are just bad."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to restate your view if it's different. And
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the subject, John. This is what we are talking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _now_.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When Andrew Cuomo was Mr Cinton's HUD Secretary, he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> announced a firearm buyback program for residents of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> public housing. Reporter asked if firearms made public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> housing dangerous or if residents felt a need to arm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves for  protection because their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hallways and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhoods had become more dangerous.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which doesn't address John's implication that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Americans are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> just fundamentally evil. I guess that's his way of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> saying
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that laws and policies make no difference.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But I wonder what those public housing residents are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> afraid
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of? Is it punks with slingshots? Or punks with some
> >>>>>>>>>>>> different weaponry?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What do people in violent neighborhoods fear? Knives,
> >>>>>>>>>>> beatings, assaults of various severity and yes firearms.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Get rid of firearms and you have the same vicious people
> >>>>>>>>>>> then add in an incitement to tyranny of an unarmed
> >>>>>>>>>>> population.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> For an elderly woman with some guy coming through her
> >>>>>>>>>>> bedroom window, a knife or club is of limited utility.
> >>>>>>>>>>> When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As usual, I wonder about other countries. Do they not have
> >>>>>>>>>> the problems you describe to the degree Americans do? If
> >>>>>>>>>> they don't, why not? Is it genetics? Or is it laws and
> >>>>>>>>>> policies?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If they do have the problems, how do they manage them
> >>>>>>>>>> without every elderly woman owning an AR rifle or rapid
> >>>>>>>>>> fire
> >>>>>>>>>> handgun?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What do you mean by 'rapid fire' ? Typical home defense
> >>>>>>>>> pistols are
> >>>>>>>>> revolvers and striker type 9mm (or .380 /.40). Those all
> >>>>>>>>> fire at the
> >>>>>>>>> same speed[1].
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll bet you can't find even one police or news report
> >>>>>>>>> in the past year
> >>>>>>>>> in USA where a full-auto pistol was used for home
> >>>>>>>>> self-defense.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I did not say "full auto." And I'd say even nine rounds
> >>>>>>>> at two rounds
> >>>>>>>> per second qualifies as "rapid fire." Hunters don't do
> >>>>>>>> that. Target
> >>>>>>>> shooters do that only if they're pretending to be in combat.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> OTOH which of these scenarios would you prefer for your
> >>>>>>>>> relative or
> >>>>>>>>> yourself?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A)Â This common crime?
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-wordle-mother-saved-lincolnwood-20220211-ecz5istdfrhvzdin4kibdwyrmi-story.html
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> B) or more like this?
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/us/elderly-man-shoots-kills-half-naked-home-intruder-who-assaulted-his-wife
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Common crime"?? Talk about a "Danger! Danger!" statement!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Somehow, the universe I live in is not nearly so scary,
> >>>>>>>> at least to me
> >>>>>>>> and mine.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But yet again: Why is it necessary for each U.S.
> >>>>>>>> household to be armed
> >>>>>>>> for protection? Why is it not necessary in Canada,
> >>>>>>>> Britain, Norway,
> >>>>>>>> Portugal...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> {1} in the real world.
> >>>>>>>>> In TeeVee world, firearms are magic lead-spraying
> >>>>>>>>> devices which always
> >>>>>>>>> hit the intended target such as the bad guy's wrist when
> >>>>>>>>> wielded by good
> >>>>>>>>> guy. Bad guy firearms also spray huge quantities just
> >>>>>>>>> over good guy's
> >>>>>>>>> head with magic sound effects.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm well aware of that silly glorification of gun culture.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, I read that from 1949 to 2021 there were some 512
> >>>>>>> homicides in
> >>>>>>> mass shootings and from 1949 until 2018 there were 51,403
> >>>>>>> killed on
> >>>>>>> bicycles.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Benefits vs. detriments, John. Benefits vs. detriments. I
> >>>>>> can list the benefits of bicycling (again!) if necessary.
> >>>>>> They've repeatedly been shown to tremendously outweigh the
> >>>>>> detriments.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What are the practical benefits of letting any macho nutcase
> >>>>>> buy things like AR rifles? I don't believe you've ever
> >>>>>> answered that question!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You also haven't answered the closely related question of
> >>>>>> how you manage to get by without owning one. ISTM that's
> >>>>>> proof these guns are far from essential.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For a roughly similar price range and a roughly similar installed base
> >>>>> of both products ( bicycles and firearms) your personal bias seems at
> >>>>> least out of step with general USA opinion. Which is fine, but you're
> >>>>> not the arbiter and a large number of people see the problem differently.
> >>>>
> >>>> That statement avoided answering the question. What are the practical
> >>>> benefits of letting any macho nutcase by things like AR rifles? After
> >>>> all, we can count the detriments, starting with body counts.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yup, what is the benefit???
> >>>
> >>> For a TV?
> >>> For living room furniture?
> >>> For a bed?
> >>> For a pet dog?
> >>> For a bottle of beer
> >>> or a glass of whiskey
> >>> Or even a wife
> >>
> >> Wow - from the guy who accused ME of changing the subject!
> >>
> >> We're not talking about those things, John. And none of those have the
> >> disadvantage of abetting mass murder of schoolkids.
> >
> > Frank... you stated above, "What are the practical
> > benefits" in fact you mentioned it at least twice in this series of
> > posts.
> >
> > I'm simply point out that your claim to "benefits" is simply that,
> > another argument and that "benefits" in the U.S. apply largely to
> > things that are really not required. "Luxuries" one might say.
> >
> > But Frank, do tell us about the "benefits" of the $30 hand bags.
> >
> I'm with you generally but it seems to have been a long
> while since you were buying 'girlfriend food' for an
> American woman. A '$30 handbag' is something one finds at a
> thrift store. A '$30 handbag' is not suitable as a gift.
>

I'm going to go way out on a limb and say you are WRONG Andy. Wrong about $30 handbags at thrift stores. I have been in thrift stores. Salvation Army store. Never looked at the handbag section of course. But $30 for a handbag at a thrift store seems outrageously expensive. Crazy expensive. Now belts I do look at in thrift stores. Men's belts. I buy them for a $1 in the thrift store. Great, great belts. Almost like brand new. I have 5 or 6 in reserve now. Belts that probably cost $20 or $30 new. But only $1 at the thrift store. Yeah!!! I am going to bet women's handbags are just like men's belts at the thrift store. They get lots of them and sell them for a buck or two to get rid of them fast. No $30 handbags at the thrift store.

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