On 3/4/2022 6:42 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 08:16:44 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2022 11:30 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:31:29 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 3/3/2022 6:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 13:53:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/2/2022 8:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:16:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2022 12:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2022 10:10 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 8:40 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 19:40:29 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 4:34 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 2:52 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 3:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 1:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 11:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 10:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you explain to me _why_ you think Canadians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inherently? genetically? ... more civilized than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll have a point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, your explanation should also apply to Brits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> French, Swedes and so many other countries that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fewer gun deaths than the U.S. (Since you brought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subject, I'll rely on you to look up their rates of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other violent crimes.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until you come up with a better explanation, I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume that differences in gun death rates have a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with their national policies, as implemented by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Briefly, my view is that national policies make a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference in how people behave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your view is, apparently, "Americans are just bad."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to restate your view if it's different. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the subject, John. This is what we are talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _now_.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Andrew Cuomo was Mr Cinton's HUD Secretary, he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announced a firearm buyback program for residents of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public housing. Reporter asked if firearms made public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> housing dangerous or if residents felt a need to arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves for  protection because their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hallways and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhoods had become more dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which doesn't address John's implication that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just fundamentally evil. I guess that's his way of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that laws and policies make no difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I wonder what those public housing residents are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afraid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of? Is it punks with slingshots? Or punks with some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different weaponry?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do people in violent neighborhoods fear? Knives,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beatings, assaults of various severity and yes firearms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get rid of firearms and you have the same vicious people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then add in an incitement to tyranny of an unarmed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> population.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For an elderly woman with some guy coming through her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bedroom window, a knife or club is of limited utility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As usual, I wonder about other countries. Do they not have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problems you describe to the degree Americans do? If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't, why not? Is it genetics? Or is it laws and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they do have the problems, how do they manage them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without every elderly woman owning an AR rifle or rapid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by 'rapid fire' ? Typical home defense
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pistols are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> revolvers and striker type 9mm (or .380 /.40). Those all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same speed[1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet you can't find even one police or news report
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past year
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in USA where a full-auto pistol was used for home
>>>>>>>>>>>>> self-defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say "full auto." And I'd say even nine rounds
>>>>>>>>>>>> at two rounds
>>>>>>>>>>>> per second qualifies as "rapid fire." Hunters don't do
>>>>>>>>>>>> that. Target
>>>>>>>>>>>> shooters do that only if they're pretending to be in combat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH which of these scenarios would you prefer for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> relative or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A)Â This common crime?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-wordle-mother-saved-lincolnwood-20220211-ecz5istdfrhvzdin4kibdwyrmi-story.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> B) or more like this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/us/elderly-man-shoots-kills-half-naked-home-intruder-who-assaulted-his-wife
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Common crime"?? Talk about a "Danger! Danger!" statement!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Somehow, the universe I live in is not nearly so scary,
>>>>>>>>>>>> at least to me
>>>>>>>>>>>> and mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But yet again: Why is it necessary for each U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>>> household to be armed
>>>>>>>>>>>> for protection? Why is it not necessary in Canada,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Britain, Norway,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Portugal...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> {1} in the real world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In TeeVee world, firearms are magic lead-spraying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices which always
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit the intended target such as the bad guy's wrist when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wielded by good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy. Bad guy firearms also spray huge quantities just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over good guy's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> head with magic sound effects.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm well aware of that silly glorification of gun culture.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I read that from 1949 to 2021 there were some 512
>>>>>>>>>>> homicides in
>>>>>>>>>>> mass shootings and from 1949 until 2018 there were 51,403
>>>>>>>>>>> killed on
>>>>>>>>>>> bicycles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Benefits vs. detriments, John. Benefits vs. detriments. I
>>>>>>>>>> can list the benefits of bicycling (again!) if necessary.
>>>>>>>>>> They've repeatedly been shown to tremendously outweigh the
>>>>>>>>>> detriments.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What are the practical benefits of letting any macho nutcase
>>>>>>>>>> buy things like AR rifles? I don't believe you've ever
>>>>>>>>>> answered that question!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You also haven't answered the closely related question of
>>>>>>>>>> how you manage to get by without owning one. ISTM that's
>>>>>>>>>> proof these guns are far from essential.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For a roughly similar price range and a roughly similar installed base
>>>>>>>>> of both products ( bicycles and firearms) your personal bias seems at
>>>>>>>>> least out of step with general USA opinion. Which is fine, but you're
>>>>>>>>> not the arbiter and a large number of people see the problem differently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That statement avoided answering the question. What are the practical
>>>>>>>> benefits of letting any macho nutcase by things like AR rifles? After
>>>>>>>> all, we can count the detriments, starting with body counts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup, what is the benefit???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For a TV?
>>>>>>> For living room furniture?
>>>>>>> For a bed?
>>>>>>> For a pet dog?
>>>>>>> For a bottle of beer
>>>>>>> or a glass of whiskey
>>>>>>> Or even a wife
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow - from the guy who accused ME of changing the subject!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're not talking about those things, John. And none of those have the
>>>>>> disadvantage of abetting mass murder of schoolkids.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank... you stated above, "What are the practical
>>>>> benefits" in fact you mentioned it at least twice in this series of
>>>>> posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm simply point out that your claim to "benefits" is simply that,
>>>>> another argument and that "benefits" in the U.S. apply largely to
>>>>> things that are really not required. "Luxuries" one might say.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Frank, do tell us about the "benefits" of the $30 hand bags.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm with you generally but it seems to have been a long
>>>> while since you were buying 'girlfriend food' for an
>>>> American woman. A '$30 handbag' is something one finds at a
>>>> thrift store. A '$30 handbag' is not suitable as a gift.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm going to go way out on a limb and say you are WRONG Andy. Wrong about $30 handbags at thrift stores. I have been in thrift stores. Salvation Army store. Never looked at the handbag section of course. But $30 for a handbag at a thrift store seems outrageously expensive. Crazy expensive. Now belts I do look at in thrift stores. Men's belts. I buy them for a $1 in the thrift store. Great, great belts. Almost like brand new. I have 5 or 6 in reserve now. Belts that probably cost $20 or $30 new. But only $1 at the thrift store. Yeah!!! I am going to bet women's handbags are just like men's belts at the thrift store. They get lots of them and sell them for a buck or two to get rid of them fast. No $30 handbags at the thrift store.
>>>
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>>>
>>>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=genuine+new+fendi+bag&t=h_&ia=web
>>>>
>>>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=genuine+new+prada+handbag&t=h_&ia=web
>>
>> I'm with Ms Slocumb on this. No man in his right mind would
>> give a woman a $30 handbag.
>
>
> The difference between the U.S. and Thailand.
>
> I just told my wife what you said - I had to explain the "Ms" - and
> she sort of "got her back up" as the saying goes, and rather
> indignantly said, (I'm translating here) "What's this "Ms"? I'm a
> married woman! Do you want people to think I'm just shacked up with
> you?
> (:-)
>

Please convey my apology, no offense intended.

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