On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 5:44:39 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 18:56:37 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 3/4/2022 6:42 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 08:16:44 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 3/3/2022 11:30 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:31:29 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 3/3/2022 6:36 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 13:53:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 3/2/2022 8:45 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:16:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2022 12:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2022 10:10 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 8:40 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 19:40:29 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 4:34 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 2:52 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 3:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 1:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 11:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 10:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you explain to me _why_ you think Canadians
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inherently? genetically? ... more civilized than
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll have a point.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, your explanation should also apply to Brits,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irish,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> French, Swedes and so many other countries that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fewer gun deaths than the U.S. (Since you brought
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subject, I'll rely on you to look up their rates of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other violent crimes.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until you come up with a better explanation, I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume that differences in gun death rates have a lot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with their national policies, as implemented by their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Briefly, my view is that national policies make a big
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference in how people behave.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your view is, apparently, "Americans are just bad."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to restate your view if it's different. And
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the subject, John. This is what we are talking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _now_.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Andrew Cuomo was Mr Cinton's HUD Secretary, he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announced a firearm buyback program for residents of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public housing. Reporter asked if firearms made public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> housing dangerous or if residents felt a need to arm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves for  protection because their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hallways and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhoods had become more dangerous.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which doesn't address John's implication that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just fundamentally evil. I guess that's his way of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that laws and policies make no difference.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I wonder what those public housing residents are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afraid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of? Is it punks with slingshots? Or punks with some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different weaponry?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do people in violent neighborhoods fear? Knives,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beatings, assaults of various severity and yes firearms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get rid of firearms and you have the same vicious people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then add in an incitement to tyranny of an unarmed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> population.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For an elderly woman with some guy coming through her
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bedroom window, a knife or club is of limited utility.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As usual, I wonder about other countries. Do they not have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problems you describe to the degree Americans do? If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't, why not? Is it genetics? Or is it laws and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they do have the problems, how do they manage them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without every elderly woman owning an AR rifle or rapid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by 'rapid fire' ? Typical home defense
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pistols are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> revolvers and striker type 9mm (or .380 /.40). Those all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire at the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same speed[1].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet you can't find even one police or news report
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past year
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in USA where a full-auto pistol was used for home
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> self-defense.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say "full auto." And I'd say even nine rounds
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> at two rounds
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> per second qualifies as "rapid fire." Hunters don't do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that. Target
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> shooters do that only if they're pretending to be in combat..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH which of these scenarios would you prefer for your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> relative or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A)Â This common crime?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-wordle-mother-saved-lincolnwood-20220211-ecz5istdfrhvzdin4kibdwyrmi-story.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> B) or more like this?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/us/elderly-man-shoots-kills-half-naked-home-intruder-who-assaulted-his-wife
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Common crime"?? Talk about a "Danger! Danger!" statement!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Somehow, the universe I live in is not nearly so scary,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> at least to me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and mine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But yet again: Why is it necessary for each U.S.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> household to be armed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for protection? Why is it not necessary in Canada,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Britain, Norway,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Portugal...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> {1} in the real world.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In TeeVee world, firearms are magic lead-spraying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices which always
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit the intended target such as the bad guy's wrist when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wielded by good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy. Bad guy firearms also spray huge quantities just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over good guy's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> head with magic sound effects.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm well aware of that silly glorification of gun culture.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I read that from 1949 to 2021 there were some 512
> >>>>>>>>>>>> homicides in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mass shootings and from 1949 until 2018 there were 51,403
> >>>>>>>>>>>> killed on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> bicycles.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Benefits vs. detriments, John. Benefits vs. detriments. I
> >>>>>>>>>>> can list the benefits of bicycling (again!) if necessary.
> >>>>>>>>>>> They've repeatedly been shown to tremendously outweigh the
> >>>>>>>>>>> detriments.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What are the practical benefits of letting any macho nutcase
> >>>>>>>>>>> buy things like AR rifles? I don't believe you've ever
> >>>>>>>>>>> answered that question!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You also haven't answered the closely related question of
> >>>>>>>>>>> how you manage to get by without owning one. ISTM that's
> >>>>>>>>>>> proof these guns are far from essential.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For a roughly similar price range and a roughly similar installed base
> >>>>>>>>>> of both products ( bicycles and firearms) your personal bias seems at
> >>>>>>>>>> least out of step with general USA opinion. Which is fine, but you're
> >>>>>>>>>> not the arbiter and a large number of people see the problem differently.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That statement avoided answering the question. What are the practical
> >>>>>>>>> benefits of letting any macho nutcase by things like AR rifles? After
> >>>>>>>>> all, we can count the detriments, starting with body counts.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yup, what is the benefit???
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For a TV?
> >>>>>>>> For living room furniture?
> >>>>>>>> For a bed?
> >>>>>>>> For a pet dog?
> >>>>>>>> For a bottle of beer
> >>>>>>>> or a glass of whiskey
> >>>>>>>> Or even a wife
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wow - from the guy who accused ME of changing the subject!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We're not talking about those things, John. And none of those have the
> >>>>>>> disadvantage of abetting mass murder of schoolkids.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Frank... you stated above, "What are the practical
> >>>>>> benefits" in fact you mentioned it at least twice in this series of
> >>>>>> posts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm simply point out that your claim to "benefits" is simply that,
> >>>>>> another argument and that "benefits" in the U.S. apply largely to
> >>>>>> things that are really not required. "Luxuries" one might say.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But Frank, do tell us about the "benefits" of the $30 hand bags.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I'm with you generally but it seems to have been a long
> >>>>> while since you were buying 'girlfriend food' for an
> >>>>> American woman. A '$30 handbag' is something one finds at a
> >>>>> thrift store. A '$30 handbag' is not suitable as a gift.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm going to go way out on a limb and say you are WRONG Andy. Wrong about $30 handbags at thrift stores. I have been in thrift stores. Salvation Army store. Never looked at the handbag section of course. But $30 for a handbag at a thrift store seems outrageously expensive. Crazy expensive. Now belts I do look at in thrift stores. Men's belts. I buy them for a $1 in the thrift store. Great, great belts. Almost like brand new. I have 5 or 6 in reserve now. Belts that probably cost $20 or $30 new. But only $1 at the thrift store. Yeah!!! I am going to bet women's handbags are just like men's belts at the thrift store. They get lots of them and sell them for a buck or two to get rid of them fast. No $30 handbags at the thrift store.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=genuine+new+fendi+bag&t=h_&ia=web
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=genuine+new+prada+handbag&t=h_&ia=web
> >>>
> >>> I'm with Ms Slocumb on this. No man in his right mind would
> >>> give a woman a $30 handbag.
> >>
> >>
> >> The difference between the U.S. and Thailand.
> >>
> >> I just told my wife what you said - I had to explain the "Ms" - and
> >> she sort of "got her back up" as the saying goes, and rather
> >> indignantly said, (I'm translating here) "What's this "Ms"? I'm a
> >> married woman! Do you want people to think I'm just shacked up with
> >> you?
> >> (:-)
> >>
> >
> >Please convey my apology, no offense intended.

John is beginning to see that when the face of doom is approaching the beliefs of the radical leftist Democrats, they begin eating each other as not being nearly radical enough. Hopefully this will be a lesson to John that when you sleep with pigs you wake up with pigs.

Question? Why was he claiming I was never in the Air Force? To kiss up to his radical leftist pig friends. To become one of a group. Well, most people need the sustenance of a group so there's nothing wrong with looking for friends. But when you found your group upon the false beliefs of radicalism, you aren't a friend and part of a group. You are nothing but the next target that isn't radical enough.

Russell has proclaimed himself a college educated economics major I suppose.. And yet he has plainly shown on many occasions that he cannot do simple arithmetic and he often writes the worst possible English I have seen. "Me thinks he doth protesteth too much". If this is what is called a college education these days I'm most assuredly glad I never completed a degree. At this point if I could see his postings any place other than in your postings I would have been very happy to have killfiled him.