On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 22:47:57 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 9:10:51 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:41:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:55:56 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:09:46 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:44 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > > > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 8:53:08 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > > > > Most of the people in the group I ride with are older than I am. One of them had a birthday today and we planned to have a special ride over the Richmond Bridge, down to a lunch stop then over to the Larkspur ferry and over to San Francisco where we had a choice of routes home. Ferry or rapid transit.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I woke up at 2 AM this morning with what I thought was a bout of allergy. But when I got up this morning I had what appears to be a cold and had a sharp cramp in my Gastrocnemius (the large muscle in the back lower leg).
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Well, I wasn't going to expose a bunch of old farts to infections which they would surely identify as covid-19. And the latest study out of Stanford Medical School says that being vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines that most people were makes people far more likely to contract any new variant of covid-19.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > How do you like those apples? Moreover, why can't you find this study on Google?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Now, while it is likely that any new variant of this corona virus will be less severe that the original Alpha and Delta variants, getting any sort of illness including the common cold is dangerous to the age group that has actually been dying from covid-19: over 50 and most dangerous to 70+ years old and with at least 8 comorbidities. This puts Jeff in that category.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Yesterday as I was picking up my car that just had a tuneup and oil change, a quarter of a block away there was some guy laying on the sidewalk in a red sleeping bag. He looked at me in my sports coat and slacks and started shouting "I hate your guts." and various other symptoms of mental illness. He wasn't close enough to see my age so I assume either I looked like his father or a police detective. One of the silent majority here sent me a posting from Jeff where he said that he hated me. I got a good laugh out of comparing him to that homeless mental case. But really I don't wish anyone health problems such as makes Jeff a cripple.
>> >> > > > Usually I have been able to use Google to find printed and preprinted studies that actually show real numbers but so far Google has managed to make it nearly impossible to discover anything about that Stanford paper showing that vaccinated people are more than twice as vulnerable to new covid-19 variants than the unvaccinated. I'm still trying to find the pre-print but here is a discussion that appears to contain the information. https://lifeanddeathandallbetween.wordpress.com/2022/02/09/cell-preprint-study-reveals-catastrophic-levels-of-spike-protein-in-vaccinated/
>> >> > > Remember that vaccination with mRNA vaccines for covid-19 have been found to combine with DNA cells in the liver causing high toxicity. This means that in SOME cases this can grow to high toxic levels and prove deadly. These cell lines in most people I would expect to literally kill themselves off simply because of the volume of changed cells to pre-vaccinated cells. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8180204/ But this is clear proof that the mRNA vaccines are dangerous and those are the vaccines most heavily distributed. Johnson & Johnson vaccines were developed in the original way and seem to have none of these flaws.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What all of this adds up to is that if you've been vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna vaccines remain very alert for any symptoms of even general illness. And don't hesitate to go to your GP about it.
>> >> > Here is a UK study that is repeating the same numbers that the Stanford study I heard (but can't find) supposedly said. https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-record-infections-in-super-vaxxed-uk-seniors-as-double-vaxxed-show-negative-efficacy-against-covid-death Ireland and Scotland have the highest vaccination rates in the UK, And those people are now being hospitalized and dying in large numbers: "That is straight-up negative efficacy even against death." https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-record-infections-in-super-vaxxed-uk-seniors-as-double-vaxxed-show-negative-efficacy-against-covid-death
>> >> >
>> >> > To tell you the truth, as far as I can make out, Google is hiding this study. It is the latest study out of Stanford and so should have been at the very top of the page. I am now down 5 pages and haven't discovered anything but a few references to it. And I know that people like the bookkeeper are going to complain that it doesn't exist.
>> >> Well I finally found the study. It was at https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S0092867422000769?token=AD77233E97949B9846C5D512141546CF1E3C36246363F28C4AA761F1181319EF4D8203E19E047C317562CE4A406B1658&originRegion=us-east-1&originCreation=20220324231855 This is an extremely complicated study that was led by a professor at Stanford medical school. In order to understand it completely would take perhaps days. But from what I can see from a fast scan is that if you are vaccinated with mRNA vaccines such as the one used by Pfizer, you almost immediately begin losing a specific type of immunoglobulin (antibody specific to infections) that indicates the loss of your immune system. It looks like the the liver of a person that has been vaccinated is damaged. Previous articles claiming that mRNA vaccines that are NOT supposed to bind with DNA are doing so in the liver causing massive generation of spike proteins that are the source of poison should probably be looked into more
>closely.
>> >This suggests that the vaccines are destroying your immune system and additional infections of the various variants worsens the condition.
>> >>
>> >> As I say, this is a very complex study and there are indications of cancer and faint guessing that the damage may be from previous covid infections. I have to study this article very closely. Massive signs of lung (?) cancer in patients treated with a vaccine would be very unusual. As well as signs that taking the vaccine can produce results as the worst cases of covid-19 infection.
>> >>
>> >> If this interpretation is correct there is no way it could have passed any real trials. There are so many authors of this study that you have what appears to be half of them praising the vaccines as if what they were seeing were secondary to the speed it was developed. How that could be so when there are several tumor growth factors being detected is unscientific if you ask me. But it would seem to me that if widespread tumor growth was causing the hardening of the lung tissues in vaccinated covid breakthrough infections and deaths that it would be trumpeted rather loudly by autopsies.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I'll continue digging through this though I won't post anymore on it until I understand it all.
>> >
>> >Quotes from the study you cited.
>> >
>> >"Current SARS-CoV-2 vaccines all contain or induce the expression of antigens similar to those of the early Wuhan-Hu-1 viral isolate"
>> >
>> >"It remains to be determined precisely how the immune system responds to mRNA and other vaccine platforms compared with SARS-CoV-2 infection."
>> >
>> >"Several SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern with mutations in the spike gene have emerged and spread globally, with differing abilities to evade neutralizing antibody responses elicited by Wuhan-Hu-1 infection or vaccination."
>> >
>> >"The appearance of virus variants, waning antibody levels after infection or vaccination, and breakthrough infections in previously immunized individuals indicate that periodic vaccine boosting of immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is warranted."
>> >
>> >"Severe COVID-19 stimulates higher SARS-CoV-2-specific antibody titers than asymptomatic infection or mild illness."
>> >
>> >"One of the positive developments amid the global calamity of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has been the rapid design, production, and deployment of a variety of vaccines, including remarkably effective mRNA vaccines encoding the viral spike."
>> >
>> >"Correlates of immunological protection from SARS-CoV-2 infection following vaccination or prior infection are still under investigation."
>> >
>> >"our findings lead to the prediction that antibodies derived from infection may provide somewhat decreased protection against virus variants compared with comparable concentrations of antibodies stimulated by vaccination."
>> >
>> >"As additional variants of SARS-CoV-2 appear over time, individuals will acquire distinct immunological histories depending on which vaccines they received and which viral variants infected them."
>> >
>> >"Taken together, these results underscore important differences between SARS-CoV-2 antibody responses produced by vaccination versus infection."
>> >
>> >MY SUMMARY:
>> >Get vaccinated!!!!!!!!! The original vaccines were based on the original Covid virus strain. Viruses change over time. New virus strains may evade the original vaccines. Getting vaccinated gives you better protection than getting infected and recovering. New vaccines will be needed to keep fighting Covid virus as it mutates over time.
>> >
>> >I have no idea what Tommy boy was trying to proclaim by mentioning this study. Whatever it was, he is wrong of course. Get vaccinated against Covid.
>> My wife's younger sister, her daughter and grandson have recently been
>> diagnosed with "covid" the sister and daughter, for sure
>> have been vaccinated but I don't know about the 4 year old grandson.
>> The sister reports that she felt "sick" for a day or so and is now
>> feeling better and the daughter and grandson the same.
>>
>> Apparently the vaccination does help.
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>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>I think everyone on earth except Tommy and Fox News has been saying the vaccine works/helps. Even TRUMP HIMSELF said the vaccine works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

I have the feeling that his dissension is simply a method of
demonstrating his vast knowledge and understanding of the subject.
(:-)
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Cheers,

John B.