On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 23:20:12 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 12:56:55 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:02:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
>> >> >> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
>> >> >> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
>> >> >> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
>> >> >> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
>> >> >> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
>> >> >> >> software engineering!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
>> >> >> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
>> >> >> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
>> >> >> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
>> >> >> thousands, of others use with no problems.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
>> >> >> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
>> >> >
>> >> >You're so stupid you cannot tell the difference between turning something on and it working properly. One can only wonder how you can put your own socks on. Or is that why you married a Thai woman whom you claim doesn't want to live in America with large Thai populations.
>> >> Socks? Nobody wears socks with sandals.
>> >> As for my wife, I'm not claiming, she did visit the U.S, and she did
>> >> state that she would never want to live there as the people weren't
>> >> "nice".
>> >> As for the "large" Thai populations... well the U.S. Migration Policy
>> >> Institute has it that there are 239,942 Thai's living in the U.S. as
>> >> of 2011.
>> >>
>> >> As for you I can only repeat my previous comment that even a very
>> >> small child, or even a puppy dog, will learn if you slap it on the
>> >> arse and shout NO! when it misbehaves. But you've been slapped on the
>> >> arse, documented for at least 16 years, and you haven't learned a
>> >> thing.
>> >>
>> >> I think the light switch may be too complicated for one of your mental
>> >> caliber.
>> >
>> >True. A light switch does have an ON and an OFF position. Depending on how you install it, the ON can be either up or down. Way too many decisions to be made and information to be analyzed for Tommy boy. He had better stick to toolbox carrying.
>> I once worked as an Electrical Supervisor on a project to maintain the
>> USAF base at Udorn Thailand. I sent a Thai crew out to wire a one room
>> addition to one of the Air Force's buildings and when the Air Force
>> Inspector checked the work he "gigged" us because one of the light
>> switches was "Installed upside down". So... I told the Thai Foreman to
>> go out and turn the switch the other way "up". He looked at me for a
>> moment and replied, "but the light works." (:-)
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>True. Just like on an outlet you can attach the white/negative wire to the gold/brass screw, and the black/positive wire to the silver screw. Outlet still works just fine.

Yup, alternating current works both ways (:-)

By the way, in AC house wiring there is no plus and negative there is
a "hot" wire and a "Neutral" and sometimes a 3rd wire" ground".

While the Neutral is usually grounded at the "entrance" to the
building this should not be assumed to be true as the system will work
whether grounded or not.
--
Cheers,

John B.