Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:24358457-c7e0-44f0-ba17-073b3a6d0ec1n@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman
>> <bill....@ieee
> .org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey
>> > wrote:
>
>> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman
>> >> <bill....@i
> eee.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander
>> >> > Kinsey wr
> ote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman
>> >> >> <bill...
> .@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > which is when most people make heavy demands on it.
>> >> >> > Irresponsible
> idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent
> paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right
> now.
>> >> >
>> >> >> It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a
>> >> >> fun life
> now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a
> choice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you
>> >> > probably wo
> n't know that what you've got is infectious.
>> >>
>> >> Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own
>> >> pansy ma
> sk.
>> >
>> > There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as
>> > much about
> looking after everybody else - protecting them about getting
> infected by you even if you don't know you are infected - as it is
> about protecting yourself from getting infected by anybody else.
>>
>> It's only protects me, since you would be wearing your own, or
>> did you ge
> t a magic one that only lets germs go one way?
>
> Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that
> you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and
> you won't know that since you are infectious before you show
> symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get exposed to
> the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the
> virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.
>
>> >> >> > The situation is further complicated by the fact that the
>> >> >> > main jo
> b of any public health service is actually monitoring for
> epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for
> the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since the
> Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier.
> Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of
> expertise that most taxpayers lack.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic,
>> >> >> > in part
> because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's
> contact tracing service to save money.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.
>> >> >
>> >> > That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average,
>> >> > 79.8 ye
> ars for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding
> US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and
> 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan, but it is
> universal.
>> >> >
>> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expec
>> >> > tancy
>
>> >> >
>> >> > The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is
>> >> > 40th.
>> >>
>> >> Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery
>> >> while the
> "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your
> children.
>> >
>> > The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your
>> > house, unlik
> e it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route
> to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good
> health care keeps you out of them for longer than bad and
> over-priced health care.
>>
>> WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half
>> her house
> value was taken.
>
> But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for
> is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know,
> since you think the NHS was involved.
>
>> >> >> The Tory government went all left wing and put more money
>> >> >> into the
> NHS during Covid.
>> >> >
>> >> > Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a
>> >> > certain
> amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up
> something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out
> an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing debacle.
>> >>
>> >> The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them
>> >> in to wa
> ste our money.
>> >
>> > You might not have been the only voter to support them - they
>> > did win t
> he election, which does imply support outside the lunatic right
> wing fringe.
>>
>> It doesn't imply it, as another option is 50% of people are in
>> the "sensi
> ble right fringe" while the other 50% are in the "theiving left
> fringe". Sometimes it's 51/49 one way, sometimes the other way.
>
> Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris
> Johnson. His personality defects are well known.
>
>> >> >> Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no
>> >> >> vaccinations a
> nd never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many
> people. I'm still here.
>> >> >
>> >> > What a pity. You don't deserve to be.
>> >>
>> >> By who's ruling? God?
>> >
>> > Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point
>> > more direct
> ly.
>>
>> Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.
>
> It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated.
> Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious
> disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only
> effective when it takes out people who will go on to reproduce.
> Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't
> applying any direct selective pressure at all.
>
>> >> > and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,
>> >>
>> >> What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And
>> >> yet you
> still worry about it?!
>> >
>> > Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic.
>> > It's higher
> if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms
> you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In
> fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a viral load as people
> who go on to show symptoms.
>> >
>> > They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting
>> > vaccinated
> , and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it
> pays off for everybody else as well
>>
>> The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just
>> pointed
> out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.
>
> Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious
> before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to
> your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the
> disease at that early stage.
>
>> Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a
>> freedom of inf
> ormation request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with
> serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.
>
> You didn't look at enough statistics, and probably didn't
> understand what you did look at. Vaccination does help a lot. It
> boosts your immune system, and the elderly immune system isn't up
> to much, so it doesn't stop elderly victims getting sick and
> dying, but fewer - even of them - get infected if they've been
> vaccinated or go on to need intensive care or end up dying.
>
>> >> > toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people
>> >> > (killing so
> me of them).
>> >>
>> >> It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).
>> >
>> > Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".
>>
>> It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I
>> could ki
> ll anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak,
> which is what evolution is all about.
>
> Evolution is about killing off people before they can reproduce.
> Covid-19 mostly kills of the elderly, who weren't going to
> reproduce.
>
>> >> > you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.
>> >>
>> >> Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in
>> >> case. You w
> ere beaten up at school weren't you?
>> >
>> > Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you
>> > are, you
> are still a menace.
>>
>> I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor
>> little "vi
> ctims"?
>
> Far from it. I was a menace to people like you, because I could
> and did hit back, but most of the time I was bookish,
> short-sighted and friendly kid with a thoroughly nasty straight
> right (which I didn't like using because the target's teeth tended
> to graze my knuckles).
>
>> > I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any
>> > advantage from i
> t yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.
>>
>> Yes it does. It means every single time you put it on you were
>> wasting yo
> ur time.
>
> But the payoff when you needed to do it can be remarkably large.
> Your problem is simple stupidity.
>
>> > I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an
>> > early age,
>>
>> Ah, the weak ones always take up karate etc to make up for being
>> inferior
> .
>
> I didn't take it up. One of our neighbours used to shadow box with
> me when I was very young, and the habits he inculcated stuck. I
> did find it a bit odd when I found out that I knew the moves when
> I needed them, but it did prove very handy. I've always had
> relatively quick response times, which may have helped.
>
>> > and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a
>> > few peopl
> e who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage
> to give the teachers anything to notice, but the discouragement
> was effective.
>>
>> I hospitalised someone. He didn't grass.
>
> He should have done. Group loyalty is one thing, but your putting
> a kid into hospital means that you should have got treatment - not
> that the kind of psychopath you seem to be is all that susceptible
> to treatment.

Spot on with the Kinsey analytics. He is pure idiot.