On 06/12/2022 08:38 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:51:19 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06/12/2022 12:38 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 05:24:39 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/11/2022 05:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 07:08:59 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/10/2022 09:42 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 04:09:04 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 06/10/2022 06:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 23:48:25 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
>>>>>>>>> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 03:51:56 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/09/2022 11:06 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 22:16:57 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/08/2022 01:49 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 06:27:09 +0100, rbowman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/06/2022 11:07 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 11:09:47 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 7:39:50 AM UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 10:26:08 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gas price was still cheap in 2019, around $3. It's $8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely to fall back again. So, less of the stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burning up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course the price of gas won't stay at $8 a gallon. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else, over the next few years, the amount consumed will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of BEVs and that will continue to make permanent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decreases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the price of oil and gasoline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is an enviromental argument for taxing it more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavily, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less of it gets burnt. As more renewable energy becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> availalble,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxing fossil carbon will put less of crimp on the economy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole, so it probably will happen, but the fossil carbon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extraction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> industry won't like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if it really make sense to ship LNG to Europe. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (US) got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than enough and Europe need more of it. For $8 NG, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around $3 to liquidify, $6 to ship and $2 to gasify. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zero
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economical sense, but only political sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not an overnight solution either. The last I knew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on LNG terminals that could easily be wired into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pipelines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for distribution. I see it as the US trying to sweet talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that really isn't to their advantage. The Ukraine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiasco is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good excuse for dropping the pipeline that would be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuck the Ukrainians, buy cheap Russian gas!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That seems to be slowly occurring to the Europeans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> India is amping up coal production and imports to generate
>>>>>>>>>>>> power, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> buying Russian oil to refine and export to countries that won't
>>>>>>>>>>>> drill
>>>>>>>>>>>> or refine themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The market works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/exclusive-india-seen-facing-wider-coal-shortages-worsening-power-outage-risks-0
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The market or desperation?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They need to stop reproducing so fast.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.news18.com/news/india/indias-birth-and-fertility-rates-have-fallen-more-than-chinas-data-shows-3967391.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The whole world is trending towards negative population growth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2 billion would be a good number.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10 million in the US would be good... Even the 160 million of 1950
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be better than 330 million and growing. Double the population ain't
>>>>>>>> double the fun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now compare your density to the UK. I meant how many people not how
>>>>>>> stupid you are :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 68 million in 93 thousand square miles. You must be falling over each
>>>>>> other. This state is 147 thousand square miles with slightly over 1
>>>>>> million. You could drop the entire UK into the eastern part of the
>>>>>> state
>>>>>> where there's not much besides prairie dogs and antelope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 700 people per square mile there are few American states thatcome
>>>>>> close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/183588/population-density-in-the-federal-states-of-the-us/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yip, the UK is so overloaded it will soon sink. It's not global
>>>>> warming, it's weight!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hank-johnson-worries-guam-could-capsize-after-marine-buildup/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He said he was joking but given the quality of our politicians you
>>>> never
>>>> can tell. At least you didn't make Boris walk the gangplank to lighten
>>>> the load. I do like the idea of sending excess baggage to Rwanda
>>>> though.
>>>> Where, exactly, is Rwanda again?
>>>
>>> I hope you're joking. Most yanks don't know where their own country is.
>>> https://youtu.be/kRh1zXFKC_o
>>
>> I'll admit on being hazy on Africa. First, most of the countries there
>> have changed since my school days. Second, who really gives a damn?
>
> Agreed, although the guy who thought South Africa was in the West....
>
> And really, name ANY country, and they don't think of er.... America?

There was a certain degree of unbelievability... Most US residents can
find the US on a map. The states are another story. Other than out
congress critters I doubt many in DC could find Montana on a map -- and
we like it that way.