On 6/29/2022 7:55 AM, jdnicoll@panix.com wrote:
> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>
> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448

Damn. The best are gone too soon, no matter how many years they have.

Thank you, sir.

This group will be sadly quieter and less insightful
with Dorothy Heydt no longer participating. As well as
our topic, she often spoke of your and your family's love
and care, or often enough for us to have some appreciation
of it. And in recent circumstances, she was unfailingly hopeful.

May we honour her? May we help you?

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:55:18 AM UTC-6, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.

> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448

I am saddened to hear of her passing, as, like many others, I greatly
enjoyed her participation in this newsgroup.

Despite the news earlier that her health had deteriorated, I had not
expected this at all. From what those updates appeared to imply,
instead I had feared that Dorothy was facing many years ahead with
more severe disabilities, that would have left her unable to use the
computer, except with difficulty and/or special equipment.

I can take some consolation in that, at least, she was spared that.

But that there had been hope that her condition could have been
treated, and kept from worsening, which was not realized, is, on
the other hand, particularly saddening.

John Savard

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 10:04:04 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
> jdni...@panix.com wrote:
> > Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
> >
> > https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
> One of my favorite Dorothy anecdotes was where, as a teenager (to the
> best of my recollection) she found herself in a class with a high minded
> high school teacher, a lover of literature, who despised plebeian, pulpy
> science fiction. Dorothy avidly read _Astounding_ at the time.
> At some point, the teacher gave his students an assignment to write
> a fictional story. After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
> an A to one particular tale.
> It then became Dorothy's delightful duty to teach the teacher. To
> show how a story worthy of an A actually appeared in _Astounding_ first.
> To patiently explain how a thing springs forth fully formed from pulpy
> pages as a plagiarization.

So either Dorothy plagiarized the story to prove a point. (very risky and doesn't seem like her) or another student did so and Dorothy called her out the student out on it. (Hmm. That could get messy).

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 10:17:22 AM UTC-4, artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 10:04:04 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
> > jdni...@panix.com wrote:
> > > Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
> > One of my favorite Dorothy anecdotes was where, as a teenager (to the
> > best of my recollection) she found herself in a class with a high minded
> > high school teacher, a lover of literature, who despised plebeian, pulpy
> > science fiction. Dorothy avidly read _Astounding_ at the time.
> > At some point, the teacher gave his students an assignment to write
> > a fictional story. After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
> > an A to one particular tale.
> > It then became Dorothy's delightful duty to teach the teacher. To
> > show how a story worthy of an A actually appeared in _Astounding_ first.
> > To patiently explain how a thing springs forth fully formed from pulpy
> > pages as a plagiarization.
> So either Dorothy plagiarized the story to prove a point. (very risky and doesn't seem like her) or another student did so and Dorothy called her out the student out on it. (Hmm. That could get messy).

From the phrasing "After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded an A to one particular tale."
I would conclude that another student plagiarized.

Ross Presser wrote:
> artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Don wrote:
>> > jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>> > > Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>> > >
>> > > https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>> > One of my favorite Dorothy anecdotes was where, as a teenager (to the
>> > best of my recollection) she found herself in a class with a high minded
>> > high school teacher, a lover of literature, who despised plebeian, pulpy
>> > science fiction. Dorothy avidly read _Astounding_ at the time.
>> > At some point, the teacher gave his students an assignment to write
>> > a fictional story. After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
>> > an A to one particular tale.
>> > It then became Dorothy's delightful duty to teach the teacher. To
>> > show how a story worthy of an A actually appeared in _Astounding_ first.
>> > To patiently explain how a thing springs forth fully formed from pulpy
>> > pages as a plagiarization.
>>
>> So either Dorothy plagiarized the story to prove a point. (very risky and
>> doesn't seem like her) or another student did so and Dorothy called her
>> out the student out on it. (Hmm. That could get messy).
>
> From the phrasing "After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
> an A to one particular tale."
> I would conclude that another student plagiarized.

An A-worthy followup!

As an avid _Astounding_ reader, Dorothy immediately recognized another
student's story as a plagiarization. So she told the teacher. It
probably got emotionally messy as the teacher experienced extreme
embarrassment. LOL.

Danke,

--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php
telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

In article <9e7931bd-333b-4d20-8d7c-da348017d1dbn@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>Thank you, sir.
>
>This group will be sadly quieter and less insightful
>with Dorothy Heydt no longer participating. As well as
>our topic, she often spoke of your and your family's love
>and care, or often enough for us to have some appreciation
>of it. And in recent circumstances, she was unfailingly hopeful.
>
>May we honour her? May we help you?

(Hal Heydt)
Thank you for all of that.

Honor her by reading her books. I'm not sure what help can be
done, but if I think of something, I will mention it. I'm just
working through grief. I miss her so and always will. There are
no words. Words were what she did, not me....

In article <113a8eec-a141-4699-b64e-846726b81b55n@googlegroups.com>,
artyw2@yahoo.com <artyw2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 10:04:04 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>> jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>> > Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>> >
>> > https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>> One of my favorite Dorothy anecdotes was where, as a teenager (to the
>> best of my recollection) she found herself in a class with a high minded
>> high school teacher, a lover of literature, who despised plebeian, pulpy
>> science fiction. Dorothy avidly read _Astounding_ at the time.
>> At some point, the teacher gave his students an assignment to write
>> a fictional story. After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
>> an A to one particular tale.
>> It then became Dorothy's delightful duty to teach the teacher. To
>> show how a story worthy of an A actually appeared in _Astounding_ first.
>> To patiently explain how a thing springs forth fully formed from pulpy
>> pages as a plagiarization.
>
>So either Dorothy plagiarized the story to prove a point. (very risky
>and doesn't seem like her) or another student did so and Dorothy called
>her out the student out on it. (Hmm. That could get messy).

The other students story was printed in the school literary
magazine and Dorothy spotted that it was plagerized and informed
the (biased) teacher. Not sure what happened after that and I'm
not in position to ask her.

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 15:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

>Ross Presser wrote:
>> artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Don wrote:
>>> > jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>> > > Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>> > >
>>> > > https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>> > One of my favorite Dorothy anecdotes was where, as a teenager (to the
>>> > best of my recollection) she found herself in a class with a high minded
>>> > high school teacher, a lover of literature, who despised plebeian, pulpy
>>> > science fiction. Dorothy avidly read _Astounding_ at the time.
>>> > At some point, the teacher gave his students an assignment to write
>>> > a fictional story. After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
>>> > an A to one particular tale.
>>> > It then became Dorothy's delightful duty to teach the teacher. To
>>> > show how a story worthy of an A actually appeared in _Astounding_ first.
>>> > To patiently explain how a thing springs forth fully formed from pulpy
>>> > pages as a plagiarization.
>>>
>>> So either Dorothy plagiarized the story to prove a point. (very risky and
>>> doesn't seem like her) or another student did so and Dorothy called her
>>> out the student out on it. (Hmm. That could get messy).
>>
>> From the phrasing "After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
>> an A to one particular tale."
>> I would conclude that another student plagiarized.
>
>An A-worthy followup!
>
>As an avid _Astounding_ reader, Dorothy immediately recognized another
>student's story as a plagiarization. So she told the teacher. It
>probably got emotionally messy as the teacher experienced extreme
>embarrassment. LOL.

Well, that sort of "teacher" /deserves/ to feel extreme embarassment.

Unless, of course, her course was "Snobbery and Stupidity", and she
was employed to teach both.

"Good films are where you find them" has a brother:
Good short stories/longer stories/novels are where you find them.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

In article <59da309c-727b-4061-9fc8-abf255524525n@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:55:18 AM UTC-6, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>
>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>
>I am saddened to hear of her passing, as, like many others, I greatly
>enjoyed her participation in this newsgroup.
>
>Despite the news earlier that her health had deteriorated, I had not
>expected this at all. From what those updates appeared to imply,
>instead I had feared that Dorothy was facing many years ahead with
>more severe disabilities, that would have left her unable to use the
>computer, except with difficulty and/or special equipment.
>
>I can take some consolation in that, at least, she was spared that.
>
>But that there had been hope that her condition could have been
>treated, and kept from worsening, which was not realized, is, on
>the other hand, particularly saddening.

As of March, her neurologist estimated that she had perhaps a
year, maybe (at a stretch) two. In the last week in the
hospital, an ALS specialist estimated 1 to 4 weeks.

At least she got to die at home. Small consolation.

ALS is a *terible* "disease" (scare quotes because it is an
autoimmunue condition). It is, functionally, untreatable and
progrssive. A friend I was staying (to be closer to the hospital
than our home) made the comparison that ALS and Alzheimers are
opposites. Altzheimers destroys the mind leaving the body
functional. ALS destroys the body leaving the mind functional.
On the whole, she said she'd prefer Altzheimers, given that ALS
leaves a live, aware, self in a non-functioning body. A horrible
trap.

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>
> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448

That is sad. She will be missed.

William Hyde

On Wednesday, 29 June 2022 at 16:04:04 UTC+1, Don wrote:
> jdni...@panix.com wrote:
> > Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
> >
> > https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
> One of my favorite Dorothy anecdotes was where, as a teenager (to the
> best of my recollection) she found herself in a class with a high minded
> high school teacher, a lover of literature, who despised plebeian, pulpy
> science fiction. Dorothy avidly read _Astounding_ at the time.
> At some point, the teacher gave his students an assignment to write
> a fictional story. After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
> an A to one particular tale.
> It then became Dorothy's delightful duty to teach the teacher. To
> show how a story worthy of an A actually appeared in _Astounding_ first.
> To patiently explain how a thing springs forth fully formed from pulpy
> pages as a plagiarization.

I remember that. She had good stories in which sorcery
and space cats weren't involved at all.

In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>
>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>
>That is sad. She will be missed.

(Hal Heydt)
Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
for how much I miss her...

Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Don wrote:
>>> jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>> > Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>> >
>>> > https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>> One of my favorite Dorothy anecdotes was where, as a teenager (to the
>>> best of my recollection) she found herself in a class with a high minded
>>> high school teacher, a lover of literature, who despised plebeian, pulpy
>>> science fiction. Dorothy avidly read _Astounding_ at the time.
>>> At some point, the teacher gave his students an assignment to write
>>> a fictional story. After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
>>> an A to one particular tale.
>>> It then became Dorothy's delightful duty to teach the teacher. To
>>> show how a story worthy of an A actually appeared in _Astounding_ first.
>>> To patiently explain how a thing springs forth fully formed from pulpy
>>> pages as a plagiarization.
>>
>>So either Dorothy plagiarized the story to prove a point. (very risky
>>and doesn't seem like her) or another student did so and Dorothy called
>>her out the student out on it. (Hmm. That could get messy).
>
> The other students story was printed in the school literary
> magazine and Dorothy spotted that it was plagerized and informed
> the (biased) teacher. Not sure what happened after that and I'm
> not in position to ask her.

Thank you for your clarification - for the addition of the most germane,
overlooked detail: published in the school literary magazine. Given this
circumstance, my storied satisfaction swells at least ten-fold.
Dorothy no doubt felt ethically-bound to report such blatant, in-
your-face plagiarism, let the chips fall where they may. Or rather, the
eggs, let the eggs fall where they may upon a biased teacher's freshly
egged face.

Dorothy also shared an anecdote about you, Hal. She'd innocently mention
the time you once crammed your pockets full of paperbacks to prepare for
a mandatory high school pep rally. After the rally started, coaches
commenced to confiscate your books, one at a time, as they caught you
out with book in hand. Whereupon, moments later, you simply pulled out
another book held in reserve. (A superb tactic, bravo!)
The "mandatory high school pep really" element of the anecdote
typically triggered at least one rasw reader to share, with the group,
his negative opinion of high school coaches. Then Kevrob inevitably
intervened to talk about how athletes loved his father, a high school
coach. Embarrassment inevitably ensued...

Danke,

--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php
telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

(Hal Heydt)
The book collection extended to 4, and in a briefcase I habitually used
(this being before the spread of proper backpacks...it was 1965).

The coach gave up after confiscating the third book.

At the end, I walked up to him, held out my hand, and he gave
them back. All without a word from either of us.

I was given to understand that a year or two later (I graduated
in 1966) the policy was changed and the rallies were optional,
with the alternative being to spend the time in the school
library. Don't throw me in that briar patch....

The high school took its team name and mascot from USC, and
there was some rah-rah type from there that would speak at the
rallies. To this day I harbor ill-will towards USC, and it
grates every time KDFC mentions that they are under the USC wing.
My dislike is tempered--minimally--that one of their big donors
(Keck) helped get telescopes built on Mauna Kea.

On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>
>> That is sad. She will be missed.
>
> (Hal Heydt)
> Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
> miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
> for how much I miss her...

My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.

Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
age of 56.

I have no idea how I will ever get over it.

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 10:08:59 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b...@googlegroups.com>,
> > William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
> >>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
> >>>
> >>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
> >>
> >> That is sad. She will be missed.
> >
> > (Hal Heydt)
> > Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
> > miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
> > for how much I miss her...
> My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.
>
> Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
> age of 56.
>
> I have no idea how I will ever get over it.

Here's one to remember Dorothy by, from the glory days of rasfw:
> Just becuae you misees the point of the article lady, don;t think it
> is not irrelevant. --'Lazarus Cain', to Dorothy J Heydt, rasfw 6/7/04

Rest in peace, Lady Dorothy.

In article <t9lvh6$268l0$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>
>>> That is sad. She will be missed.
>>
>> (Hal Heydt)
>> Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>> miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>> for how much I miss her...
>
>My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.
>
>Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
>age of 56.
>
>I have no idea how I will ever get over it.

(Hal Heydt)
You have my condolences. I am told that time heals all wounds,
but some are very, very deep.

On 2022-06-30 23:06, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <t9lvh6$268l0$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>>
>>>> That is sad. She will be missed.
>>>
>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>> Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>>> miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>>> for how much I miss her...
>>
>> My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.
>>
>> Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
>> age of 56.
>>
>> I have no idea how I will ever get over it.
>
> (Hal Heydt)
> You have my condolences. I am told that time heals all wounds,
> but some are very, very deep.

Let's hope we both find our healing.

In article <t9m50m$26mfg$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2022-06-30 23:06, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <t9lvh6$268l0$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>>>
>>>>> That is sad. She will be missed.
>>>>
>>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>>> Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>>>> miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>>>> for how much I miss her...
>>>
>>> My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.
>>>
>>> Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
>>> age of 56.
>>>
>>> I have no idea how I will ever get over it.
>>
>> (Hal Heydt)
>> You have my condolences. I am told that time heals all wounds,
>> but some are very, very deep.
>
>Let's hope we both find our healing.

(Hal Heydt)
I promised Dorothy that I would do my best to hang on for the sake
of the children and grandchildren and cats. The cats are 2 years
old. The youngest grandchild is 15 months. So I need to survive
for 20 years.

I have decided what I intend to say at the SCA general memorial
next Beltane.

Along the lines of a song she wrote about how many from the West
Kingdom it takes to light a candle (None. Our candle has been
burning brightly since [SCA] time began.), she lit so many
candles for so many people, but since hers has gone out, I am
left alone in the dark.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:06:28 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

>In article <1ba6a87d-4e6c-48af-af5e-00d5596bf7f5n@googlegroups.com>,
>pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>
>>So sad. I met her and Hal once, about 5 years ago, but I knew her online for
>>decades.
>>
>>At least we know. So many regulars from rasfw and rasfw just vanish.
>
>As Katherine Blake, she wrote The Interior Life, a rather unusual fantasy
>that publisher Baen had _no_ idea how to market.

Which is sad because it's a marvelous story.

>My review
>
>https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/all-it-is-is-just-my-life
>
>Jo Walton's review
>
>https://www.tor.com/2010/01/08/saving-both-worlds-katherine-blake-dorothy-heydts-lemgthe-interior-lifelemg/
>
>Dorothy's work is available here for free download.
>
>http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:41:24 -0700 (PDT), Ahasuerus
<ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <66044e97-52db-4f63...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>> >> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>> >>
>> >> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>> >
>> >In addition to publishing SF, she wrote early self-insert fan fiction
>> >("Dorothy and Myfanwy", Star Trek) and created one of the Vulcan
>> >languages -- see https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dorothy_Jones
>> I believe one of her fannish inventions (Ni'var: Vulcan term
>> referencing duality) was incorporated into Trek canon.
>
>Yes indeed -- see
>https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Ni%27Var#Ni'Var_(word)

The new name of Vulcan in the later seasons of Discovery, after in the
far future the Vulcans and Romulans reunited.

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>In article <t9m50m$26mfg$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2022-06-30 23:06, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <t9lvh6$268l0$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>> In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is sad. She will be missed.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>>>> Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>>>>> miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>>>>> for how much I miss her...
>>>>
>>>> My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.
>>>>
>>>> Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
>>>> age of 56.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how I will ever get over it.
>>>
>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>> You have my condolences. I am told that time heals all wounds,
>>> but some are very, very deep.
>>
>>Let's hope we both find our healing.
>
>(Hal Heydt)
>I promised Dorothy that I would do my best to hang on for the sake
>of the children and grandchildren and cats. The cats are 2 years
>old. The youngest grandchild is 15 months. So I need to survive
>for 20 years.
>
>I have decided what I intend to say at the SCA general memorial
>next Beltane.
>
>Along the lines of a song she wrote about how many from the West
>Kingdom it takes to light a candle (None. Our candle has been
>burning brightly since [SCA] time began.), she lit so many
>candles for so many people, but since hers has gone out, I am
>left alone in the dark.

So long as you have loved ones, you'll never be completely alone.

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 20:39:48 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Don wrote:
>>>> jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>> > Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>> >
>>>> > https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>> One of my favorite Dorothy anecdotes was where, as a teenager (to the
>>>> best of my recollection) she found herself in a class with a high minded
>>>> high school teacher, a lover of literature, who despised plebeian, pulpy
>>>> science fiction. Dorothy avidly read _Astounding_ at the time.
>>>> At some point, the teacher gave his students an assignment to write
>>>> a fictional story. After the homework was handed-in the teacher awarded
>>>> an A to one particular tale.
>>>> It then became Dorothy's delightful duty to teach the teacher. To
>>>> show how a story worthy of an A actually appeared in _Astounding_ first.
>>>> To patiently explain how a thing springs forth fully formed from pulpy
>>>> pages as a plagiarization.
>>>
>>>So either Dorothy plagiarized the story to prove a point. (very risky
>>>and doesn't seem like her) or another student did so and Dorothy called
>>>her out the student out on it. (Hmm. That could get messy).
>>
>> The other students story was printed in the school literary
>> magazine and Dorothy spotted that it was plagerized and informed
>> the (biased) teacher. Not sure what happened after that and I'm
>> not in position to ask her.
>
>Thank you for your clarification - for the addition of the most germane,
>overlooked detail: published in the school literary magazine. Given this
>circumstance, my storied satisfaction swells at least ten-fold.
> Dorothy no doubt felt ethically-bound to report such blatant, in-
>your-face plagiarism, let the chips fall where they may. Or rather, the
>eggs, let the eggs fall where they may upon a biased teacher's freshly
>egged face.
>
>Dorothy also shared an anecdote about you, Hal. She'd innocently mention
>the time you once crammed your pockets full of paperbacks to prepare for
>a mandatory high school pep rally. After the rally started, coaches
>commenced to confiscate your books, one at a time, as they caught you
>out with book in hand. Whereupon, moments later, you simply pulled out
>another book held in reserve. (A superb tactic, bravo!)
> The "mandatory high school pep really" element of the anecdote
>typically triggered at least one rasw reader to share, with the group,
>his negative opinion of high school coaches. Then Kevrob inevitably
>intervened to talk about how athletes loved his father, a high school
>coach. Embarrassment inevitably ensued...

Taking another bite at the same apple, allow me to reveal that,
greatly encouraged by a teacher (not, so far as I can recall, a coach)
I had no reason to distrust at the time, I actually attended one such
rally (ours were voluntary and occurred /before/ the start of classes,
BTW). Never again, and the teacher got /really/ upset when I explained
that, having shown once that he could not be trusted, I would never
trust him again. At any time. On any topic. Ever.

It's amazing the number of people who think they can betray your trust
again and again and again with no consequences. And, boy, do they
squeal when told otherwise.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

In article <rb9tbhhp907ggfpjnhufol1d8eu77kabf6@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:06:28 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
>Nicoll) wrote:
>
>>In article <1ba6a87d-4e6c-48af-af5e-00d5596bf7f5n@googlegroups.com>,
>>pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>
>>>So sad. I met her and Hal once, about 5 years ago, but I knew her online for
>>>decades.
>>>
>>>At least we know. So many regulars from rasfw and rasfw just vanish.
>>
>>As Katherine Blake, she wrote The Interior Life, a rather unusual fantasy
>>that publisher Baen had _no_ idea how to market.
>
>Which is sad because it's a marvelous story.

(Hal Heydt)
And that was *after* another company took an option on a portion
and outline, then decided not to actually buy because (a) they
hadn't realized that they only had about 1/3 of the full work,
and (b) it wasn't a romance.

Did get some use out of that, though. Dorothy used the option
money to buy a copy of The Plan of St. Gall at the
pre-publication price.