In article <vbDvK.164509$9j2.162022@fx33.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>In article <t9m50m$26mfg$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>On 2022-06-30 23:06, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <t9lvh6$268l0$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>> In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is sad. She will be missed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>>>>> Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>>>>>> miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>>>>>> for how much I miss her...
>>>>>
>>>>> My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
>>>>> age of 56.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea how I will ever get over it.
>>>>
>>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>>> You have my condolences. I am told that time heals all wounds,
>>>> but some are very, very deep.
>>>
>>>Let's hope we both find our healing.
>>
>>(Hal Heydt)
>>I promised Dorothy that I would do my best to hang on for the sake
>>of the children and grandchildren and cats. The cats are 2 years
>>old. The youngest grandchild is 15 months. So I need to survive
>>for 20 years.
>>
>>I have decided what I intend to say at the SCA general memorial
>>next Beltane.
>>
>>Along the lines of a song she wrote about how many from the West
>>Kingdom it takes to light a candle (None. Our candle has been
>>burning brightly since [SCA] time began.), she lit so many
>>candles for so many people, but since hers has gone out, I am
>>left alone in the dark.
>
>So long as you have loved ones, you'll never be completely alone.

(Hal Heydt)
Physically, true enough. In other ways...there is this enormous
hole that cannot be filled.

On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:38:18 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <rb9tbhhp907ggfpjn...@4ax.com>,
> J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:06:28 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
> >Nicoll) wrote:
> >
> >>In article <1ba6a87d-4e6c-48af...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
> >>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
> >>>
> >>>So sad. I met her and Hal once, about 5 years ago, but I knew her online for
> >>>decades.
> >>>
> >>>At least we know. So many regulars from rasfw and rasfw just vanish.
> >>
> >>As Katherine Blake, she wrote The Interior Life, a rather unusual fantasy
> >>that publisher Baen had _no_ idea how to market.
> >
> >Which is sad because it's a marvelous story.
> (Hal Heydt)
> And that was *after* another company took an option on a portion
> and outline, then decided not to actually buy because (a) they
> hadn't realized that they only had about 1/3 of the full work,
> and (b) it wasn't a romance.
>
> Did get some use out of that, though. Dorothy used the option
> money to buy a copy of The Plan of St. Gall at the
> pre-publication price.

One of her most treasured possessions, iirc.

Pt

In article <ca9fe692-239b-4f39-b836-148d90ec4d4en@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:38:18 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <rb9tbhhp907ggfpjn...@4ax.com>,
>> J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:06:28 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
>> >Nicoll) wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <1ba6a87d-4e6c-48af...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >>pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>> >>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>> >>>
>> >>>So sad. I met her and Hal once, about 5 years ago, but I knew her
>online for
>> >>>decades.
>> >>>
>> >>>At least we know. So many regulars from rasfw and rasfw just vanish.
>> >>
>> >>As Katherine Blake, she wrote The Interior Life, a rather unusual fantasy
>> >>that publisher Baen had _no_ idea how to market.
>> >
>> >Which is sad because it's a marvelous story.
>> (Hal Heydt)
>> And that was *after* another company took an option on a portion
>> and outline, then decided not to actually buy because (a) they
>> hadn't realized that they only had about 1/3 of the full work,
>> and (b) it wasn't a romance.
>>
>> Did get some use out of that, though. Dorothy used the option
>> money to buy a copy of The Plan of St. Gall at the
>> pre-publication price.
>
>One of her most treasured possessions, iirc.
>
>Pt

(Hal Heydt)
Kept in a suitcase (with a few other things) next to the door so
it could be grabbed in an emergency. It's still there.

As I recall, the print run was only 1200 and nearly all the
copies went to libraries. Last we heard, copies in decent shape
had been sold for $1500, and that was quite a few years ago. No
telling what it's worth now. When I die, it'll probably go to an
SCA library, unless one of our kids (probably our daughter) wants
to hang onto it.

On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> Did get some use out of that, though. Dorothy used the option
> money to buy a copy of The Plan of St. Gall at the
> pre-publication price.

A web search turned up the fact that The Plan of St. Gall is a
unique mediaeval manuscript; apparently, what she bought was
a printed facsimile, but the Wikipedia article I found makes no
mention of it.

However, a second attempt indicates that there was a print
facsimile publication, as a three-volume work by Walter Horn
and Ernest Born. Published by University of California Press
in 1979.

There is also a single-volume work providing an overview
with facsimiles of part of the plan which is available at a
more resonable price, entitled "The Plan of St. Gall in
Brief".

John Savard

In article <85fd3652-2e96-4158-8f9f-e207b2945fe0n@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>> Did get some use out of that, though. Dorothy used the option
>> money to buy a copy of The Plan of St. Gall at the
>> pre-publication price.
>
>A web search turned up the fact that The Plan of St. Gall is a
>unique mediaeval manuscript; apparently, what she bought was
>a printed facsimile, but the Wikipedia article I found makes no
>mention of it.
>
>However, a second attempt indicates that there was a print
>facsimile publication, as a three-volume work by Walter Horn
>and Ernest Born. Published by University of California Press
>in 1979.
>
>There is also a single-volume work providing an overview
>with facsimiles of part of the plan which is available at a
>more resonable price, entitled "The Plan of St. Gall in
>Brief".

(Hal Heydt)
What she bought is the three volume set. Each book
is--IIRC--about 12 x 15 inches and about 1.5 inches thick. It is
a major scholoary work about the original document (your first
reference). IIRC--again--the authors spent about 30 years on
studying the primary manuscript.

The "In Brief" version was, basically, a coffee table book with
all the pretty pictures and none of the text from the three
volume version.

On 29/06/2022 19:47, BCFD36 wrote:
> On 6/29/22 05:55, jdnicoll@panix.com wrote:
>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>
>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>
> Truly sad news. For a person I never met face to face, I really liked
> her. The surprising thing is that it looked like she posted YESTERDAY in
> the other thread.
>
> She was one of the reasons I read this group.
>

Dorothy will be very much missed here. I always enjoyed her posts. I
gather that she succumbed to ALS? My "prize" PhD student died from it
at a comparatively young age, and I know how sad it can be to watch
someone keep their full mental abilities and awareness while gradually
losing control of their bodies.

No cures yet, and very limited treatment other than palliative and
mobility assistance, so if anyone feels inclined to remember Dorothy in
a concrete way, may I ask for donations to an ALS charity in her memory?

--
Mike Dworetsky

On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 12:33:04 AM UTC-6, Hal Heydt wrote:

> The "In Brief" version was, basically, a coffee table book with
> all the pretty pictures and none of the text from the three
> volume version.

I wasn't suggesting that she should have settled for that!

I was merely noting an alternative for people who were interested
in pursuing it themselves.

This piqued my interest enough to start searching for related
information online. The Wikipedia article has a small image of the
original; a larger one is available here:

https://www.e-codices.ch/en/list/one/csg/1092

I found that this document was of sufficient interest that a
modernized drawing of the plan was included in at least the 1911
edition of William R. Shepherd's Historical Atlas, and on page 311
of volume 8 of "A History of All Nations", an English translation of
"The Age of Charlemagne" by Hans Prutz. (Lea Brothers and
Company, 1905)

I encountered a statement to the effect that the plan was,
after its original discovery, first published in the second volume
of Annales Ordinis S. Benedictis Occidentalium Monachorum
Patriarchae, by Johannes Mabillon, but I have been unable to find
it there.

John Savard

In article <BaydnR7jSbo_ml3_nZ2dnUU7-TnNnZ2d@supernews.com>,
Michael Dworetsky <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>On 29/06/2022 19:47, BCFD36 wrote:
>> On 6/29/22 05:55, jdnicoll@panix.com wrote:
>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>
>> Truly sad news. For a person I never met face to face, I really liked
>> her. The surprising thing is that it looked like she posted YESTERDAY in
>> the other thread.
>>
>> She was one of the reasons I read this group.
>>
>
>Dorothy will be very much missed here. I always enjoyed her posts. I
>gather that she succumbed to ALS? My "prize" PhD student died from it
>at a comparatively young age, and I know how sad it can be to watch
>someone keep their full mental abilities and awareness while gradually
>losing control of their bodies.
>
>No cures yet, and very limited treatment other than palliative and
>mobility assistance, so if anyone feels inclined to remember Dorothy in
>a concrete way, may I ask for donations to an ALS charity in her memory?

(Hal Heydt)
Yes, she died from ALS. I suspect that the onset of it was
actually two or three years ago, but between Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome and the way medical visits changed at the onset of
COVID-19 pandemic, no one figured that out.

And, yes, it is a devastating condition. A functioning mind held
captive in an increasingly disfunctional body. I wouldn't wish
it on my worst enemy.

There is one drug (which she was on for about the last 3 months)
that can slow the progress, but only a little. The problem is
that the drug can be exceedingly expensive even with insurance.
Fortunately, I was able to locate an affordable source for it.

On 2022-07-01 00:15, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <t9m50m$26mfg$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-06-30 23:06, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <t9lvh6$268l0$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>> In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is sad. She will be missed.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>>>> Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>>>>> miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>>>>> for how much I miss her...
>>>>
>>>> My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.
>>>>
>>>> Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
>>>> age of 56.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how I will ever get over it.
>>>
>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>> You have my condolences. I am told that time heals all wounds,
>>> but some are very, very deep.
>>
>> Let's hope we both find our healing.
>
> (Hal Heydt)
> I promised Dorothy that I would do my best to hang on for the sake
> of the children and grandchildren and cats. The cats are 2 years
> old. The youngest grandchild is 15 months. So I need to survive
> for 20 years.

For me, it's my brother's wife, niece and the music he never got to
share with the world.

> I have decided what I intend to say at the SCA general memorial
> next Beltane.
>
> Along the lines of a song she wrote about how many from the West
> Kingdom it takes to light a candle (None. Our candle has been
> burning brightly since [SCA] time began.), she lit so many
> candles for so many people, but since hers has gone out, I am
> left alone in the dark.

I don't know what to tell you.

I know something of what you must be feeling, but you had to be much
closer to Dorothy than I could be to my brother, Darcy, even with the
love for music we shared.

It's been a year and 22 days for me.

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 19:41:08 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>
>>That is sad. She will be missed.
>
>(Hal Heydt)
>Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>for how much I miss her...

I know it all too well - my wife died at home in early March
completely "out of the blue" in her computer chair. My daughter (who
lives/lived with us is upset I haven't yet changed the layout of the
room she died in but that's mostly because I haven't gotten rid of the
junk in this room which would leave space for the gear that was
formerly my wife's computer area. There's a strong inertia you feel in
these things and you tend to feel you need more "me time" which is
fine but at some point you do have to make those changes. Hopefully
you're better at it than I've been...

On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 07:15:52 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>In article <t9m50m$26mfg$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2022-06-30 23:06, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <t9lvh6$268l0$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>> In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is sad. She will be missed.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>>>> Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>>>>> miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>>>>> for how much I miss her...
>>>>
>>>> My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.
>>>>
>>>> Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
>>>> age of 56.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how I will ever get over it.
>>>
>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>> You have my condolences. I am told that time heals all wounds,
>>> but some are very, very deep.
>>
>>Let's hope we both find our healing.
>
>(Hal Heydt)
>I promised Dorothy that I would do my best to hang on for the sake
>of the children and grandchildren and cats. The cats are 2 years
>old. The youngest grandchild is 15 months. So I need to survive
>for 20 years.
>
>I have decided what I intend to say at the SCA general memorial
>next Beltane.
>
>Along the lines of a song she wrote about how many from the West
>Kingdom it takes to light a candle (None. Our candle has been
>burning brightly since [SCA] time began.), she lit so many
>candles for so many people, but since hers has gone out, I am
>left alone in the dark.

What is the name of the song you refer to? I'm not SCA but my daughter
is and she's involved in a lot of 'bardic' (in her case mostly
calligraphy) stuff and may well have heard or it or actually knows it.

In article <87h2chldcedvs74oama4f0onlkvnuh7us5@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 07:15:52 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <t9m50m$26mfg$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>On 2022-06-30 23:06, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <t9lvh6$268l0$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-06-30 12:41, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>> In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is sad. She will be missed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>>>>> Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>>>>>> miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>>>>>> for how much I miss her...
>>>>>
>>>>> My condolences and sympathies to you, Hal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just over one year ago, my younger brother succumbed to cancer at the
>>>>> age of 56.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea how I will ever get over it.
>>>>
>>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>>> You have my condolences. I am told that time heals all wounds,
>>>> but some are very, very deep.
>>>
>>>Let's hope we both find our healing.
>>
>>(Hal Heydt)
>>I promised Dorothy that I would do my best to hang on for the sake
>>of the children and grandchildren and cats. The cats are 2 years
>>old. The youngest grandchild is 15 months. So I need to survive
>>for 20 years.
>>
>>I have decided what I intend to say at the SCA general memorial
>>next Beltane.
>>
>>Along the lines of a song she wrote about how many from the West
>>Kingdom it takes to light a candle (None. Our candle has been
>>burning brightly since [SCA] time began.), she lit so many
>>candles for so many people, but since hers has gone out, I am
>>left alone in the dark.
>
>What is the name of the song you refer to? I'm not SCA but my daughter
>is and she's involved in a lot of 'bardic' (in her case mostly
>calligraphy) stuff and may well have heard or it or actually knows it.

(Hal Heydt)
"The Light of the West". Her book dates it as February XXVIII,
which would be ca. 1992. (Didn't work much on the date
conversion. SCA year 1 began on 1 May 1966.)

In article <i0h2chtpjf32mo6idfatupsjbua212vb6r@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 19:41:08 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <57a3bf2d-41cf-4e5b-936b-f95e9043fd62n@googlegroups.com>,
>>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>>
>>>That is sad. She will be missed.
>>
>>(Hal Heydt)
>>Thank you. For me, it a sadness that will never end. I will
>>miss her sorely for the rest of my life. I don't have the words
>>for how much I miss her...
>
>I know it all too well - my wife died at home in early March
>completely "out of the blue" in her computer chair. My daughter (who
>lives/lived with us is upset I haven't yet changed the layout of the
>room she died in but that's mostly because I haven't gotten rid of the
>junk in this room which would leave space for the gear that was
>formerly my wife's computer area. There's a strong inertia you feel in
>these things and you tend to feel you need more "me time" which is
>fine but at some point you do have to make those changes. Hopefully
>you're better at it than I've been...

(Hal Heydt)
I wouldn't care to count on it. Though there were friends of my
daughter and son-in-law over today and I gifted them with the
Earl Gray tea that Dorothy liked. Some tea bags and 4 8 oz. tins
of loose tea.

On Fri, 01 Jul 2022 03:45:18 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:41:24 -0700 (PDT), Ahasuerus
><ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> In article <66044e97-52db-4f63...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
>>> >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
>>> >> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>>> >
>>> >In addition to publishing SF, she wrote early self-insert fan fiction
>>> >("Dorothy and Myfanwy", Star Trek) and created one of the Vulcan
>>> >languages -- see https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dorothy_Jones
>>> I believe one of her fannish inventions (Ni'var: Vulcan term
>>> referencing duality) was incorporated into Trek canon.
>>
>>Yes indeed -- see
>>https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Ni%27Var#Ni'Var_(word)
>
>The new name of Vulcan in the later seasons of Discovery, after in the
>far future the Vulcans and Romulans reunited.

And the name of a 'Vulcan' ship.

J. Clarke wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:41:24 -0700 (PDT), Ahasuerus
> <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> In article <66044e97-52db-4f63...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
> >> >> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
> >> >
> >> >In addition to publishing SF, she wrote early self-insert fan fiction
> >> >("Dorothy and Myfanwy", Star Trek) and created one of the Vulcan
> >> >languages -- see https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dorothy_Jones
> >> I believe one of her fannish inventions (Ni'var: Vulcan term
> >> referencing duality) was incorporated into Trek canon.
> >
> >Yes indeed -- see
> >https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Ni%27Var#Ni'Var_(word)
>
> The new name of Vulcan in the later seasons of Discovery, after in the
> far future the Vulcans and Romulans reunited.

She'd found out her name was used for a character in a Star Trek computer game:

https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Dorothy_Heydt

I'd encountered that game, though not her in it, and informed her that it was way on the side of "starship porn." I hope that amused her more than annoyed her.

--
-Jack

On Sunday, 3 July 2022 at 11:52:01 UTC+1, jack....@gmail.com wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:41:24 -0700 (PDT), Ahasuerus
> > <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> > >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> > >> In article <66044e97-52db-4f63...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> > >> >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-4, jdni...@panix.com wrote:
> > >> >> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
> > >> >
> > >> >In addition to publishing SF, she wrote early self-insert fan fiction
> > >> >("Dorothy and Myfanwy", Star Trek) and created one of the Vulcan
> > >> >languages -- see https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dorothy_Jones
> > >> I believe one of her fannish inventions (Ni'var: Vulcan term
> > >> referencing duality) was incorporated into Trek canon.
> > >
> > >Yes indeed -- see
> > >https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Ni%27Var#Ni'Var_(word)
> >
> > The new name of Vulcan in the later seasons of Discovery, after in the
> > far future the Vulcans and Romulans reunited.
> She'd found out her name was used for a character in a Star Trek computer game:
>
> https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Dorothy_Heydt
>
> I'd encountered that game, though not her in it, and informed her that it was
> way on the side of "starship porn." I hope that amused her more than annoyed her.

....that's not porn on starships, it is "porn" about starships.
Hulls portrayed with intense appreciation (I'm assuming).
Explicit manuvers at high warp speeds. Mere human beings
are almost incidental to the activity.

Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Sunday, 3 July 2022 at 11:52:01 UTC+1, jack....@gmail.com wrote:

> > She'd found out her name was used for a character in a Star Trek computer game:
> >
> > https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Dorothy_Heydt
> >
> > I'd encountered that game, though not her in it, and informed her that it was
> > way on the side of "starship porn." I hope that amused her more than annoyed her.

> ...that's not porn on starships, it is "porn" about starships.
> Hulls portrayed with intense appreciation (I'm assuming).
> Explicit manuvers at high warp speeds. Mere human beings
> are almost incidental to the activity.

There's a part of the legal definition that includes "no socially redeeming aspect." That's what comes to mind when Dorothy would mention coming to such passages and skipping forward a few pages to the results the characters had to deal with.

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On 2022-06-30 12:05 PM, Hal (via Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> ALS is a *terible* "disease" (scare quotes because it is an
> autoimmunue condition). It is, functionally, untreatable and
> progrssive. A friend I was staying (to be closer to the hospital
> than our home) made the comparison that ALS and Alzheimers are
> opposites. Altzheimers destroys the mind leaving the body
> functional. ALS destroys the body leaving the mind functional.
> On the whole, she said she'd prefer Altzheimers, given that ALS
> leaves a live, aware, self in a non-functioning body. A horrible
> trap.

The effects of Altzheimer's are highly variable. Sometimes it's a
generalized "fading" of memory and cognition. Sometimes particular
cognitive areas are hit, as with Sir Terry's language skills.
And then there's frontal dementia, which knocks out self-control.

Sometimes this is relatively benign. My wife (a dementia specialist)
tells of an incident when she was meeting with a new patient and
his wife. When the patient approached her, sitting in her office,
the guy got a big grin and lunged at her across her desk, both arms
and hands outstretched, and shouted "Boobies!" His wife was mortified.

But sometimes... everything that's horrid and nasty about a person
is unleashed. One of my high-school teachers went this route, and
was living in a care facility for a couple of decades. It was months
after her passing, her family told us at a memorial gathering, that
they were regaining their memories of the intelligent, creative,
loving mother and wife that she had been. I dread the idea that
someday, there may be a monster living in my body, with my memories,
hurting the people who are closest to me.

Joel

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On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 17:30:13 -0400, Joel Polowin
<jpolowin@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>The effects of Altzheimer's are highly variable. Sometimes it's a
>generalized "fading" of memory and cognition. Sometimes particular
>cognitive areas are hit, as with Sir Terry's language skills.
>And then there's frontal dementia, which knocks out self-control.
>
George Orwell says in 1984 that every man has something non-fatal he
will instantly fold when confronted with it (it's during Smith's
torture by O'Brien) and for me it's Alzheimers.

Both my father and maternal grandfather had it before their respective
passings - my grandfather had the first kind, my father the latter.

I had sometimes wondered whether I would still recognize my wife when
the end came but unfortunately she fooled me by leaving us this past
March. Given longetivity in my family I have at least a 50-50 chance
of making it to 85 so a long time yet.

On 2022-07-05 15:59, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 17:30:13 -0400, Joel Polowin
> <jpolowin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> The effects of Altzheimer's are highly variable. Sometimes it's a
>> generalized "fading" of memory and cognition. Sometimes particular
>> cognitive areas are hit, as with Sir Terry's language skills.
>> And then there's frontal dementia, which knocks out self-control.
>>
> George Orwell says in 1984 that every man has something non-fatal he
> will instantly fold when confronted with it (it's during Smith's
> torture by O'Brien) and for me it's Alzheimers.
>
> Both my father and maternal grandfather had it before their respective
> passings - my grandfather had the first kind, my father the latter.
>
> I had sometimes wondered whether I would still recognize my wife when
> the end came but unfortunately she fooled me by leaving us this past
> March. Given longetivity in my family I have at least a 50-50 chance
> of making it to 85 so a long time yet.

I had an uncle who was a bit of a pill if I'm honest.

But seeing Alzheimer's slowly overtake him was terrible.

In article <ta2i4j$3qtgq$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2022-07-05 15:59, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 17:30:13 -0400, Joel Polowin
>> <jpolowin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> The effects of Altzheimer's are highly variable. Sometimes it's a
>>> generalized "fading" of memory and cognition. Sometimes particular
>>> cognitive areas are hit, as with Sir Terry's language skills.
>>> And then there's frontal dementia, which knocks out self-control.
>>>
>> George Orwell says in 1984 that every man has something non-fatal he
>> will instantly fold when confronted with it (it's during Smith's
>> torture by O'Brien) and for me it's Alzheimers.
>>
>> Both my father and maternal grandfather had it before their respective
>> passings - my grandfather had the first kind, my father the latter.
>>
>> I had sometimes wondered whether I would still recognize my wife when
>> the end came but unfortunately she fooled me by leaving us this past
>> March. Given longetivity in my family I have at least a 50-50 chance
>> of making it to 85 so a long time yet.
>
>I had an uncle who was a bit of a pill if I'm honest.
>
>But seeing Alzheimer's slowly overtake him was terrible.

My uncle by marriage and his twin brother lost their dad to a massive
heart attack when their dad was comparatively young so they spent their
lives living as heathy as they could. Both were extremely fit athletes,
which is how we now know that their family had a tendency for dementia,
provided they lived long enough. Which both of them did.
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On 6/07/22 11:40, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-07-05 15:59, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 17:30:13 -0400, Joel Polowin
>> <jpolowin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> The effects of Altzheimer's are highly variable.  Sometimes it's a
>>> generalized "fading" of memory and cognition.  Sometimes particular
>>> cognitive areas are hit, as with Sir Terry's language skills.
>>> And then there's frontal dementia, which knocks out self-control.
>>>
>> George Orwell says in 1984 that every man has something non-fatal he
>> will instantly fold when confronted with it (it's during Smith's
>> torture by O'Brien) and for me it's Alzheimers.
>>
>> Both my father and maternal grandfather had it before their respective
>> passings - my grandfather had the first kind, my father the latter.
>>
>> I had sometimes wondered whether I would still recognize my wife when
>> the end came but unfortunately she fooled me by leaving us this past
>> March. Given longetivity in my family I have at least a 50-50 chance
>> of making it to 85 so a long time yet.
>
> I had an uncle who was a bit of a pill if I'm honest.
>
> But seeing Alzheimer's slowly overtake him was terrible.

So the pill didn't work.

On 2022-07-05 21:06, Titus G wrote:
> On 6/07/22 11:40, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-07-05 15:59, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 17:30:13 -0400, Joel Polowin
>>> <jpolowin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The effects of Altzheimer's are highly variable.  Sometimes it's a
>>>> generalized "fading" of memory and cognition.  Sometimes particular
>>>> cognitive areas are hit, as with Sir Terry's language skills.
>>>> And then there's frontal dementia, which knocks out self-control.
>>>>
>>> George Orwell says in 1984 that every man has something non-fatal he
>>> will instantly fold when confronted with it (it's during Smith's
>>> torture by O'Brien) and for me it's Alzheimers.
>>>
>>> Both my father and maternal grandfather had it before their respective
>>> passings - my grandfather had the first kind, my father the latter.
>>>
>>> I had sometimes wondered whether I would still recognize my wife when
>>> the end came but unfortunately she fooled me by leaving us this past
>>> March. Given longetivity in my family I have at least a 50-50 chance
>>> of making it to 85 so a long time yet.
>>
>> I had an uncle who was a bit of a pill if I'm honest.
>>
>> But seeing Alzheimer's slowly overtake him was terrible.
>
> So the pill didn't work.

Not for Michael, no.

The hardest part was in the middle, when he could still be lucid for
periods...

....and knew he was slowly losing that.

jdnicoll@panix.com writes:

> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>
> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448

I'm very sorry to hear this. She was always one of the
bright spots here.

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KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

In article <ta4bbl$2o03$1@dont-email.me>,
Mike Van Pelt <mvp@calweb.com> wrote:
>jdnicoll@panix.com writes:
>
>> Seanan McGuire, others, report that Dorothy passed away.
>>
>> https://twitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1541996445238120448
>
>I'm very sorry to hear this. She was always one of the
>bright spots here.

(Hal Heydt)
To quote from E. E. Smith, for me she was a blinding flash and a
deafening report. I have no words for how much I miss her.