moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On 9/23/2022 2:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <EKlXK.489284$Ny99.118052@fx16.iad>,
>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/23/2022 12:34 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> On Sep 22, 2022 at 8:19:27 PM PDT, "kensi"
>>>> <kkensington01-NOSPAM@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-09-22 1:31 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless someone can come forth with proof that any of them lied to seek
>>>>>>> asylum status.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's required if the government wishes to pursue criminal charges but
>>>>>> not if it's just going to lead to deportation.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Deportation means uprooting someone from their life and exiling them to
>>>>> God knows where. If you ask me, that's sufficiently severe that it
>>>>> should require the same burden of proof as is needed to lock someone up
>>>>> for years or to kill them.
>>>>
>>>> Then they should have thought about that before they traveled to a foreign
>>>> country and broke its laws to get in.
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> Or... they *did* think of it, but were desperate.
>>
>> Being 'desperate' doesn't relieve you of the responsibility to obey the
>> law, especially of a country that you want to take you in.
>
> No, nothing relieves you of that responsibility ...although
> circumstances may occasionally force you to override it.

And then you must pay the consequences if caught.

On 9/23/2022 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> On 9/23/2022 2:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <EKlXK.489284$Ny99.118052@fx16.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/23/2022 12:34 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 22, 2022 at 8:19:27 PM PDT, "kensi"
>>>>> <kkensington01-NOSPAM@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-09-22 1:31 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless someone can come forth with proof that any of them lied to seek
>>>>>>>> asylum status.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's required if the government wishes to pursue criminal charges but
>>>>>>> not if it's just going to lead to deportation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deportation means uprooting someone from their life and exiling them to
>>>>>> God knows where. If you ask me, that's sufficiently severe that it
>>>>>> should require the same burden of proof as is needed to lock someone up
>>>>>> for years or to kill them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then they should have thought about that before they traveled to a foreign
>>>>> country and broke its laws to get in.
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Or... they *did* think of it, but were desperate.
>>>
>>> Being 'desperate' doesn't relieve you of the responsibility to obey the
>>> law, especially of a country that you want to take you in.
>>
>> No, nothing relieves you of that responsibility ...although
>> circumstances may occasionally force you to override it.
>
> And then you must pay the consequences if caught.

Are you talking about being shat on by DeathSantis?

On 9/23/2022 6:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> On 9/23/2022 2:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <EKlXK.489284$Ny99.118052@fx16.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/23/2022 12:34 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 22, 2022 at 8:19:27 PM PDT, "kensi"
>>>>> <kkensington01-NOSPAM@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-09-22 1:31 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless someone can come forth with proof that any of them lied to seek
>>>>>>>> asylum status.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's required if the government wishes to pursue criminal charges but
>>>>>>> not if it's just going to lead to deportation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deportation means uprooting someone from their life and exiling them to
>>>>>> God knows where. If you ask me, that's sufficiently severe that it
>>>>>> should require the same burden of proof as is needed to lock someone up
>>>>>> for years or to kill them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then they should have thought about that before they traveled to a foreign
>>>>> country and broke its laws to get in.
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Or... they *did* think of it, but were desperate.
>>>
>>> Being 'desperate' doesn't relieve you of the responsibility to obey the
>>> law, especially of a country that you want to take you in.
>>
>> No, nothing relieves you of that responsibility ...although
>> circumstances may occasionally force you to override it.
>
> And then you must pay the consequences if caught.

Yes, if that's necessary to protect the law, rather than, say, to
gratify disciplinarians.