On 2022-09-15 1:44 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>
> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>
> Except:
>
>
> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>
> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
> illegally."
>
>

So then the border was always open and always will be?

David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2022-09-15 1:44 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

>>Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris

>>KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."

>>Except:
>>https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14

>>ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>illegally."

>So then the border was always open and always will be?

That's a cheap shot. Even in the days before immigration quota, the
immigrant was obligated to register with fedeeral authorities. I have no
idea when legal border crossings were restricted to reporting one's self
at an official port of entry, maybe with the Immigration Act of 1924
(Johnson-Reed Act). This act established immigration visas.

I have no idea if it established travel visas.

Man, glancing at the Wikipedia page for this act, it appears that the
Ken Burns documentary I watched last night barely went beyond this
summary. For past documentaries, Burns had a team of historical researchers.

On 2022-09-19 9:05 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-09-15 1:44 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>
>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>
>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>
>>> Except:
>
>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>
>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>> illegally."
>
>> So then the border was always open and always will be?
>
> That's a cheap shot. Even in the days before immigration quota, the
> immigrant was obligated to register with fedeeral authorities.

What difference does that make? The argument being made is that because
it is possible to sneak across the border, the border is open. It was
always possible to sneak across the border. It will always be possible
to sneak across the border.

On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>
>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>
>> Except:
>>
>>
>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>
>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>> illegally."
>
> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being bussed from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.

There are already laws against kidnapping people.

In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
> > On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
> >> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
> >>
> >> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
> >>
> >> Except:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
> >> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
> >>
> >> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
> >> illegally."
> >
> > Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being bussed
> > from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>
> There are already laws against kidnapping people.

Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 15:05:48 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>>ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>>illegally."
>
>>So then the border was always open and always will be?
>
>That's a cheap shot. Even in the days before immigration quota, the
>immigrant was obligated to register with fedeeral authorities. I have no
>idea when legal border crossings were restricted to reporting one's self
>at an official port of entry, maybe with the Immigration Act of 1924
>(Johnson-Reed Act). This act established immigration visas.
>
While I agree with you the original quote is bollocks.

How many illegals cross the border illegally vs the number who cross
quite legally and then deliberately overstay their visas?

I've heard from several sources that the latter is by far the dominant
method of illegals entering the US.

On the other hand I am deeply concerned about the following headline
(also covered in our morning paper)
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/09/02/canada-developing-path-to-permanent-residency-for-undocumented-workers.html
since Canada is ALREADY taking (in proportion to Canada vs US
population) substantially more LEGAL immigrants than the US and
Trudeau is pledging to "dramatically increase" that.

Most of these "undocumented workers" are lesser skilled and farm labor
which Canada needs as much as say more Omar Khadrs. (A Canadian born
member of a prominent jihadi family who went overseas, shot US service
personnel, got sent to Gitmo then collected $10 million from the
Canadian government)

But then Justin is intentionally upping the immigration rate to help
his party's electoral chances going forward so nothing should be
surprising any more.

David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2022-09-19 9:05 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On 2022-09-15 1:44 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

>>>>Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris

>>>>KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."

>>>>Except:

>>>>https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14

>>>>ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>>>illegally."

>>>So then the border was always open and always will be?

>>That's a cheap shot. Even in the days before immigration quota, the
>>immigrant was obligated to register with fedeeral authorities.

>What difference does that make?

That's not an open border. If you were being sarcastic here, then it's
still a cheap shot, just not yours.

>The argument being made is that because it is possible to sneak across
>the border, the border is open.

It doesn't matter how militarized the border is. It's possible to get
smuggled into the United States. There's no such thing as perfect
countermeasures.

>It was always possible to sneak across the border. It will always be
>possible to sneak across the border.

Yes, we agree.

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>Mon, 19 Sep 2022 15:05:48 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

For the 4,253rd time, if you retain the quote, you MUST retain the
associated attribution line. There is no reason to keep cutting out
attribution lines.

>>David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On 2022-09-15 1:44 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

>>>>ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>>>illegally."

>>>So then the border was always open and always will be?

>>That's a cheap shot. Even in the days before immigration quota, the
>>immigrant was obligated to register with fedeeral authorities. I have no
>>idea when legal border crossings were restricted to reporting one's self
>>at an official port of entry, maybe with the Immigration Act of 1924
>>(Johnson-Reed Act). This act established immigration visas.

>While I agree with you the original quote is bollocks.

>How many illegals cross the border illegally vs the number who cross
>quite legally and then deliberately overstay their visas?

>I've heard from several sources that the latter is by far the dominant
>method of illegals entering the US.

Yes, I've read that too. If you don't call any attention to yourself, no
one looks for you.

>On the other hand I am deeply concerned about the following headline
>(also covered in our morning paper)
>https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/09/02/canada-developing-path-to-permanent-residency-for-undocumented-workers.html
>since Canada is ALREADY taking (in proportion to Canada vs US
>population) substantially more LEGAL immigrants than the US and
>Trudeau is pledging to "dramatically increase" that.

I've always been in favor of documenting workers and making it easier to
encourage employers to comply with the very same labor laws they are otherwise
subject to for other employees. That doesn't mean the workers must be
made permanent residents.

>Most of these "undocumented workers" are lesser skilled and farm labor
>which Canada needs as much as say more Omar Khadrs. (A Canadian born
>member of a prominent jihadi family who went overseas, shot US service
>personnel, got sent to Gitmo then collected $10 million from the
>Canadian government)

You told us about that.

>But then Justin is intentionally upping the immigration rate to help
>his party's electoral chances going forward so nothing should be
>surprising any more.

Are they allowed to register to vote without citizenship?

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 17:49:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>Mon, 19 Sep 2022 15:05:48 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>
>For the 4,253rd time, if you retain the quote, you MUST retain the
>associated attribution line. There is no reason to keep cutting out
>attribution lines.
>
>>>David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On 2022-09-15 1:44 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>
>>>>>ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>>>>illegally."
>
>>>>So then the border was always open and always will be?
>
>>>That's a cheap shot. Even in the days before immigration quota, the
>>>immigrant was obligated to register with fedeeral authorities. I have no
>>>idea when legal border crossings were restricted to reporting one's self
>>>at an official port of entry, maybe with the Immigration Act of 1924
>>>(Johnson-Reed Act). This act established immigration visas.
>
>>While I agree with you the original quote is bollocks.
>
>>How many illegals cross the border illegally vs the number who cross
>>quite legally and then deliberately overstay their visas?
>
>>I've heard from several sources that the latter is by far the dominant
>>method of illegals entering the US.
>
>Yes, I've read that too. If you don't call any attention to yourself, no
>one looks for you.

Not necessarily true. Before the pandemic we had an Irish 20-something
who worked for us for a couple of years under one of those under age
30 international work permits (don't know the name of the program but
many countries have it which is how my niece came to be in NZ) and in
February 2020 I got a notice informing me that her right to work in
Canada was expiring - which I ignored as she had left us in November
and we had gotten a Christmas card from her from Dublin. No question
had she wanted to we would have kept her on staff though would
probably have laid her off in the first COVID wave as we laid off
EVERYBODY (including ourselves -- my brother and I worked without pay
for 3 months just to keep solvent) before recalling several 3 months
later.

>>On the other hand I am deeply concerned about the following headline
>>(also covered in our morning paper)
>>https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/09/02/canada-developing-path-to-permanent-residency-for-undocumented-workers.html
>>since Canada is ALREADY taking (in proportion to Canada vs US
>>population) substantially more LEGAL immigrants than the US and
>>Trudeau is pledging to "dramatically increase" that.
>
>I've always been in favor of documenting workers and making it easier to
>encourage employers to comply with the very same labor laws they are otherwise
>subject to for other employees. That doesn't mean the workers must be
>made permanent residents.
>
>>Most of these "undocumented workers" are lesser skilled and farm labor
>>which Canada needs as much as say more Omar Khadrs. (A Canadian born
>>member of a prominent jihadi family who went overseas, shot US service
>>personnel, got sent to Gitmo then collected $10 million from the
>>Canadian government)
>
>You told us about that.

Probably - it was an extremely high profile case in Canada at the
time.

>>But then Justin is intentionally upping the immigration rate to help
>>his party's electoral chances going forward so nothing should be
>>surprising any more.
>
>Are they allowed to register to vote without citizenship?

Hell no. But a previous Liberal party administration reduced the
residency requirement from 5 to 3 years (e.g. less than a single
administration thus no longer guaranteeing that a new citizen would
have seen an election cycle in action and thus more apt to believe
propaganda from the party in power).

They even allowed a superstrict Muslim woman to swear her oath of
citizenship in a private room before a female judge while unveiled
(which I didn't really mind all that much given how few requests they
get for that 'service') and to use a veiled picture on her passport.
(Which I very much DID mind since one's passport is the first thing a
foreign government would want to see - and the passport represents the
country as a whole and to my mind that goes WAY WAY WAY beyond
inclusiveness)

On 9/19/2022 3:37 AM, RichA wrote:
> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>
>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>
>> Except:
>>
>>
>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>
>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>> illegally."
>
> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being bussed from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.

There already is a law, and I already posted about it. It's called
kidnapping by inveiglement. Try to keep up, if you're mentally capable
to do so.

On 9/19/2022 11:27 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>
>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>
>>>> Except:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>
>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>>> illegally."
>>>
>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being bussed
>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>
>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>
> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.

I've already posted that this is kidnapping by inveiglement, as former
U.S. prosecutor Glenn Kirschner explained. You're just some shitbag
pretending to be a "lawyer."

In article <tga4f9$1u8j$1@gioia.aioe.org>, davidjohnston29@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 2022-09-19 9:05 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-09-15 1:44 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>
>>>> Except:
>>>>
>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>
>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>>> illegally."
>>>
>>> So then the border was always open and always will be?
>>
>> That's a cheap shot. Even in the days before immigration quota, the
>> immigrant was obligated to register with fedeeral authorities.
>
>What difference does that make? The argument being made is that because
>it is possible to sneak across the border, the border is open. It was
>always possible to sneak across the border. It will always be possible
>to sneak across the border.

Must you always act obtuse when you have no point to make?

[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]

--
Let's go Brandon!

rander3128@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:

>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>
>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>
>> Except:
>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>
>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>> illegally."
>
> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being bussed
> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.

Did you mean executive order?

--
Let's go Brandon!

In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>, davidjohnston29@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:

>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>
>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>
>>> Except:
>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>
>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>> illegally."
>>
>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being bussed
>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>
> There are already laws against kidnapping people.

The premise of your argument is incorrect. Try again.

--
Let's go Brandon!

On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>
>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>
>>>> Except:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>
>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>>> illegally."
>>>
>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being bussed
>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>
>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>
> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.

Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being taken
to?

On Sep 20, 2022 at 3:10:05 PM PDT, "David Johnston"
<davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>
>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>
>>>>> Except:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>
>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>>>> illegally."
>>>>
>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being bussed
>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>
>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>
>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>
> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being taken
> to?

If I'd been kidnapped and a reporter stuck a mike in my face and put me on
camera, that would be my headline, not to counter the VP's statement about
border security.

On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>
>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>
>>>>> Except:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>>
>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>
>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>> entered
>>>>> illegally."
>>>>
>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being
>>>> bussed
>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>
>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>
>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>
> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being taken
> to?

Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.

On 9/20/2022 6:20 PM, suzeeq wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>> entered
>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>
>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being
>>>>> bussed
>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>
>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>
>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>
>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>> taken to?
>
> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.

Inquiring minds might also wonder what alternative future was projected
for them had they chosen to decline the journey.

On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>> entered
>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>
>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being
>>>>> bussed
>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>
>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>
>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>
>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>> taken to?
>
> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.

But they were not in fact taken to Boston.

On 9/20/2022 3:43 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
>> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from
>>>>>> being bussed
>>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>>
>>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>>
>>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>>> taken to?
>>
>> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.
>
> But they were not in fact taken to Boston.

They were lied to.

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:55:30 -0700, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

>On 9/20/2022 3:43 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from
>>>>>>> being bussed
>>>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>>>
>>>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>>>> taken to?
>>>
>>> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.
>>
>> But they were not in fact taken to Boston.
>
>They were lied to.

They were told they would have jobs and a place to live when they got
there. Both of which were a lie. Apparently their forms that list
where they need to report were given random addresses from across the
nation and court date so they were set up to not being able to report
and thus be subject to being sent back to their home country.
Apparently this is an on-going issue made worse by the fact they are
told about the issue but in a packet given to them in English when
most don't read English and so don't understand the situation.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article266062536.html

Oh, and as I understand it they are not illegal immigrants, as many
are calling them, but are here seeking asylum.

On 9/20/2022 5:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2022 at 3:10:05 PM PDT, "David Johnston"
> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we entered
>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>
>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from being bussed
>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>
>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>
>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>
>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being taken
>> to?
>
> If I'd been kidnapped and a reporter stuck a mike in my face and put me on
> camera, that would be my headline, not to counter the VP's statement about
> border security.

Wouldn't you be upset about your anonyshit status being fried?

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:55:30 -0700, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2022 3:43 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>> On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from
>>>>>>>> being bussed
>>>>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>>>>> taken to?
>>>>
>>>> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.
>>>
>>> But they were not in fact taken to Boston.
>>
>> They were lied to.
>
> They were told they would have jobs and a place to live when they got
> there. Both of which were a lie. Apparently their forms that list
> where they need to report were given random addresses from across the
> nation and court date so they were set up to not being able to report
> and thus be subject to being sent back to their home country.
> Apparently this is an on-going issue made worse by the fact they are
> told about the issue but in a packet given to them in English when
> most don't read English and so don't understand the situation.
> https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article266062536.html
>
> Oh, and as I understand it they are not illegal immigrants, as many
> are calling them, but are here seeking asylum.

They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
circumvent U.S. immigration law.

BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>. . .

>They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>circumvent U.S. immigration law.

If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
been committing versus their own people.

Huh.

Sounds like we need to set up international human rights tribunals right quick.

On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> . . .
>
>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>> their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>> circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>
> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
> been committing versus their own people.

I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
>
> Huh.
>
> Sounds like we need to set up international human rights tribunals right quick.
>