On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:47:18 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:55:30 -0700, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/2022 3:43 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>> On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
>>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>>>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from
>>>>>>>>> being bussed
>>>>>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>>>>>> taken to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.
>>>>
>>>> But they were not in fact taken to Boston.
>>>
>>> They were lied to.
>>
>> They were told they would have jobs and a place to live when they got
>> there. Both of which were a lie. Apparently their forms that list
>> where they need to report were given random addresses from across the
>> nation and court date so they were set up to not being able to report
>> and thus be subject to being sent back to their home country.
>> Apparently this is an on-going issue made worse by the fact they are
>> told about the issue but in a packet given to them in English when
>> most don't read English and so don't understand the situation.
>> https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article266062536.html
>>
>> Oh, and as I understand it they are not illegal immigrants, as many
>> are calling them, but are here seeking asylum.
>
>They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>circumvent U.S. immigration law.

Even if that were true it doesn't change their legal status to be in
the country until such time as a decision can be made regarding their
case.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:47:18 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:55:30 -0700, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:43 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>>>>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from
>>>>>>>>>> being bussed
>>>>>>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>>>>>>> taken to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.
>>>>>
>>>>> But they were not in fact taken to Boston.
>>>>
>>>> They were lied to.
>>>
>>> They were told they would have jobs and a place to live when they got
>>> there. Both of which were a lie. Apparently their forms that list
>>> where they need to report were given random addresses from across the
>>> nation and court date so they were set up to not being able to report
>>> and thus be subject to being sent back to their home country.
>>> Apparently this is an on-going issue made worse by the fact they are
>>> told about the issue but in a packet given to them in English when
>>> most don't read English and so don't understand the situation.
>>> https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article266062536.html
>>>
>>> Oh, and as I understand it they are not illegal immigrants, as many
>>> are calling them, but are here seeking asylum.
>>
>>They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>>their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>>circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>
>Even if that were true it doesn't change their legal status to be in
>the country until such time as a decision can be made regarding their
>case.

Depends what they do to seek assylum status, right? Knowingly making
false claims about attrocities committed against them is a criminal act.
That they made truthful assertions about attrocities but the attrocities
aren't comparable to the 1930s situation versus the Jews of central
Europe isn't criminal regardless of whether the claims will get them
assylum status.

In article <vidmihl1m6014ehs18g8m68ketcc0lg5qv@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:47:18 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:55:30 -0700, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 9/20/2022 3:43 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
> >>>>>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Except:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x4
> >>>>>>>>>> 06/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
> >>>>>>>>>> entered illegally."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from
> >>>>>>>>> being bussed
> >>>>>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
> >>>>>> taken to?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.
> >>>>
> >>>> But they were not in fact taken to Boston.
> >>>
> >>> They were lied to.
> >>
> >> They were told they would have jobs and a place to live when they got
> >> there. Both of which were a lie. Apparently their forms that list
> >> where they need to report were given random addresses from across the
> >> nation and court date so they were set up to not being able to report
> >> and thus be subject to being sent back to their home country.
> >> Apparently this is an on-going issue made worse by the fact they are
> >> told about the issue but in a packet given to them in English when
> >> most don't read English and so don't understand the situation.
> >> https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article266062536.html
> >>
> >> Oh, and as I understand it they are not illegal immigrants, as many
> >> are calling them, but are here seeking asylum.
> >
> >They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
> >their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
> >circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>
> Even if that were true it doesn't change their legal status to be in
> the country until such time as a decision can be made regarding their
> case.

Which is impossible. Our system can't possibly handle millions of
people-- we're over two million and counting-- each getting an asylum
hearing.

This is by design. It's right out of Alinsky's RULES FOR RADICALS: Use
their own systems against them. Overwhelm them until they collapse.

We need to just say no more. Sorry but we're not playing this game
anymore and if that means the treaty is abrogated and we need to
negotiate a new one, so be it.

In article <tgf5j4$1qu9o$2@dont-email.me>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>. . .
>
> >They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
> >their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
> >circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>
> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
> them in making successful assylum claims

They're not. They're telling them that saying the word 'asylum' will get
their foot in the door. It gets them that notice to appear and then
immediate release into the U.S., where they can then ignore the notice
and disappear and no one will ever really come look for them because
Democrats are in charge.

In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>> . . .
> >
> >> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
> >> their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
> >> circumvent U.S. immigration law.
> >
> > If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
> > them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
> > would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
> > been committing versus their own people.
>
> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.

No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every psychopathic
murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border. And we'll let them
in with a smile because otherwise we're racists or something.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>>>. . .

>>>They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>>>their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>>>circumvent U.S. immigration law.

>>If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
>>them in making successful assylum claims

>They're not. They're telling them that saying the word 'asylum' will get
>their foot in the door. It gets them that notice to appear and then
>immediate release into the U.S., where they can then ignore the notice
>and disappear and no one will ever really come look for them because
>Democrats are in charge.

They're being issued SSNs so that they can work, right? I guess I don't
see why they cannot be positively identified upon entry with
fingerprints and photographs, with a quick check of criminal databases
and to see if they've entered the country previously.

Just take them somewhere for processing and identification. Let them make
the assylum claim with a preliminary statement. If they have no assylum
claim to make, then deport them that day.

I don't see why having an expeditious process abbrogates the Geneva
Conventions on refugees and assylum.

> suzeeq
> > Adam H. Kerman
> >
> > If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
> > them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
> > would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
> > been committing versus their own people.
>
> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.

Every Venezuelan who illegally migrates to the U.S. is one less burden on the Venezuelan government,
all the more so as those who are jumping ship are not supporters of President Maduro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela

The excesses and poor policies of the incumbent government led to the collapse of Venezuela's entire
economy.[19][20] The country struggles with record hyperinflation,[21][22] shortages of basic goods,[23]
unemployment,[24] poverty,[25] disease, high child mortality, malnutrition, severe crime and corruption.
These factors have precipitated the Venezuelan migrant crisis where more than three million people
have fled the country.[26] By 2017, Venezuela was declared to be in default regarding debt payments
by credit rating agencies.[27][28] The crisis in Venezuela has contributed to a rapidly deteriorating
human rights situation, including increased abuses such as torture, arbitrary imprisonment, extrajudicial
killings and attacks on human rights advocates.

On 9/21/2022 11:27 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> . . .
>>>
>>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>>>> their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>>>> circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>>
>>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
>>> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
>>> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
>>> been committing versus their own people.
>>
>> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
>> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
>
> No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every psychopathic
> murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border. And we'll let them
> in with a smile because otherwise we're racists or something.

And none of those prisoners were there because they were spoke out
against the government. And women and children were imprisoned too.

In article <tgfnhg$f7i0$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

> On 9/21/2022 11:27 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> . . .
> >>>
> >>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to
> >>>> say by their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a
> >>>> way to circumvent U.S. immigration law.
> >>>
> >>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
> >>> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
> >>> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
> >>> been committing versus their own people.
> >>
> >> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
> >> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
> >
> > No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every psychopathic
> > murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border. And we'll let them
> > in with a smile because otherwise we're racists or something.

> And none of those prisoners were there because they were spoke out
> against the government.

Those are the few they're *keeping* as lesson and warning to the rest of
the population. They're just giving us all the drug dealers, rapists,
and murderers.

How many times does Trump actually have to be right about all the things
he says that make leftists run for the fainting couch?

This was the first "outrage" of them all: when he came down that
escalator in Trump Tower and said "They aren't sending us their best".
Welp, turns out, that's true.

On 9/21/2022 1:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgfnhg$f7i0$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2022 11:27 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>
>>>>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to
>>>>>> say by their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a
>>>>>> way to circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>>>>
>>>>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
>>>>> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
>>>>> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
>>>>> been committing versus their own people.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
>>>> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
>>>
>>> No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every psychopathic
>>> murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border. And we'll let them
>>> in with a smile because otherwise we're racists or something.
>
>> And none of those prisoners were there because they were spoke out
>> against the government.
>
> Those are the few they're *keeping* as lesson and warning to the rest of
> the population. They're just giving us all the drug dealers, rapists,
> and murderers.
>
So that includes the women and children?

> How many times does Trump actually have to be right about all the things
> he says that make leftists run for the fainting couch?
>
> This was the first "outrage" of them all: when he came down that
> escalator in Trump Tower and said "They aren't sending us their best".
> Welp, turns out, that's true.
>

In article <tgg2kb$fd1q$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

> On 9/21/2022 1:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <tgfnhg$f7i0$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/21/2022 11:27 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> . . .
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to
> >>>>>> say by their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a
> >>>>>> way to circumvent U.S. immigration law.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
> >>>>> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
> >>>>> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
> >>>>> been committing versus their own people.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
> >>>> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
> >>>
> >>> No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every psychopathic
> >>> murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border. And we'll let them
> >>> in with a smile because otherwise we're racists or something.
> >
> >> And none of those prisoners were there because they were spoke out
> >> against the government.
> >
> > Those are the few they're *keeping* as lesson and warning to the rest of
> > the population. They're just giving us all the drug dealers, rapists,
> > and murderers.
> >
> So that includes the women and children?

(1) Why do you automatically assume women = innocent, non-criminal?
Women can be every bit as evil, violent, and psychopathic as men.

(2) From what I've read, the political prisoners are the only ones not
being released.

> > How many times does Trump actually have to be right about all the things
> > he says that make leftists run for the fainting couch?
> >
> > This was the first "outrage" of them all: when he came down that
> > escalator in Trump Tower and said "They aren't sending us their best".
> > Welp, turns out, that's true.

On 9/21/2022 6:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgg2kb$fd1q$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2022 1:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <tgfnhg$f7i0$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/21/2022 11:27 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to
>>>>>>>> say by their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a
>>>>>>>> way to circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
>>>>>>> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
>>>>>>> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
>>>>>>> been committing versus their own people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
>>>>>> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every psychopathic
>>>>> murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border. And we'll let them
>>>>> in with a smile because otherwise we're racists or something.
>>>
>>>> And none of those prisoners were there because they were spoke out
>>>> against the government.
>>>
>>> Those are the few they're *keeping* as lesson and warning to the rest of
>>> the population. They're just giving us all the drug dealers, rapists,
>>> and murderers.
>>>
>> So that includes the women and children?
>
> (1) Why do you automatically assume women = innocent, non-criminal?
> Women can be every bit as evil, violent, and psychopathic as men.

What about the children? I mean the 4 and 5 yr olds, and babies.
>
> (2) From what I've read, the political prisoners are the only ones not
> being released.
>
Where have you read this?

On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:03:30 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:47:18 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:55:30 -0700, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:43 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>>>>>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from
>>>>>>>>>>> being bussed
>>>>>>>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>>>>>>>> taken to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But they were not in fact taken to Boston.
>>>>>
>>>>> They were lied to.
>>>>
>>>> They were told they would have jobs and a place to live when they got
>>>> there. Both of which were a lie. Apparently their forms that list
>>>> where they need to report were given random addresses from across the
>>>> nation and court date so they were set up to not being able to report
>>>> and thus be subject to being sent back to their home country.
>>>> Apparently this is an on-going issue made worse by the fact they are
>>>> told about the issue but in a packet given to them in English when
>>>> most don't read English and so don't understand the situation.
>>>> https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article266062536.html
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and as I understand it they are not illegal immigrants, as many
>>>> are calling them, but are here seeking asylum.
>>>
>>>They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>>>their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>>>circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>
>>Even if that were true it doesn't change their legal status to be in
>>the country until such time as a decision can be made regarding their
>>case.
>
>Depends what they do to seek assylum status, right? Knowingly making
>false claims about attrocities committed against them is a criminal act.
>That they made truthful assertions about attrocities but the attrocities
>aren't comparable to the 1930s situation versus the Jews of central
>Europe isn't criminal regardless of whether the claims will get them
>assylum status.

That really doesn't seem to matter at this point. Unless someone can
come forth with proof that any of them lied to seek asylum status.
Presumably that is a matter that will come up at their court date to
determine if they will be given asylum status. For now, they are all
here legally, till proven otherwise.

On 9/21/2022 4:47 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:55:30 -0700, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/2022 3:43 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>> On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
>>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>>>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x406/UHnt5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>> illegally."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from
>>>>>>>>> being bussed
>>>>>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>>>>>> taken to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.
>>>>
>>>> But they were not in fact taken to Boston.
>>>
>>> They were lied to.
>>
>> They were told they would have jobs and a place to live when they got
>> there. Both of which were a lie. Apparently their forms that list
>> where they need to report were given random addresses from across the
>> nation and court date so they were set up to not being able to report
>> and thus be subject to being sent back to their home country.
>> Apparently this is an on-going issue made worse by the fact they are
>> told about the issue but in a packet given to them in English when
>> most don't read English and so don't understand the situation.
>> https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article266062536.html
>>
>> Oh, and as I understand it they are not illegal immigrants, as many
>> are calling them, but are here seeking asylum.
>
> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
> their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
> circumvent U.S. immigration law.

This is tantamount to admitting YOU LIED by calling them "illegals."
You're just a filthy fucking liar as usual.

On 9/21/2022 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <vidmihl1m6014ehs18g8m68ketcc0lg5qv@4ax.com>,
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:47:18 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:55:30 -0700, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:43 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-09-20 4:20 p.m., suzeeq wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/20/2022 3:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 10:27 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <tga4g6$1u8j$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>>>>>>>   David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-09-19 2:37 a.m., RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 15 September 2022 at 15:44:27 UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't believe your eyes, believe what I say. - Kamala Harris
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> KAMALA (just days ago): "The border is secure."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Except:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1570395563908124673/vid/720x4
>>>>>>>>>>>> 06/UHnt5iObM7IksvPv.mp4?tag=14
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ILLEGAL ALIEN: "The border is open. The border is open because we
>>>>>>>>>>>> entered illegally."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Count the days before Biden brings in a law keeping them from
>>>>>>>>>>> being bussed
>>>>>>>>>>> from Texas or Florida to left-liberal enclaves.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are already laws against kidnapping people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which would be relevant if anyone was being kidnapped here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did those people agree to being taken to the place they were being
>>>>>>>> taken to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably, though they were told they were going to Boston.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But they were not in fact taken to Boston.
>>>>>
>>>>> They were lied to.
>>>>
>>>> They were told they would have jobs and a place to live when they got
>>>> there. Both of which were a lie. Apparently their forms that list
>>>> where they need to report were given random addresses from across the
>>>> nation and court date so they were set up to not being able to report
>>>> and thus be subject to being sent back to their home country.
>>>> Apparently this is an on-going issue made worse by the fact they are
>>>> told about the issue but in a packet given to them in English when
>>>> most don't read English and so don't understand the situation.
>>>> https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article266062536.html
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and as I understand it they are not illegal immigrants, as many
>>>> are calling them, but are here seeking asylum.
>>>
>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>>> their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>>> circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>
>> Even if that were true it doesn't change their legal status to be in
>> the country until such time as a decision can be made regarding their
>> case.
>
> Which is impossible. Our system can't possibly handle millions of
> people--

Cite? Note, pulling stuff out of your anus isn't a cite.

On 9/21/2022 1:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgf5j4$1qu9o$2@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> . . .
>>
>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>>> their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>>> circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>
>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
>> them in making successful assylum claims
>
> They're not. They're telling them that saying the word 'asylum' will get
> their foot in the door.

Cite? Note, pulling stuff out of your anus or reading it from an Oath
Keepers' email blast isn't a cite.

On 9/21/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> . . .
>>>
>>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>>>> their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>>>> circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>>
>>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
>>> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
>>> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
>>> been committing versus their own people.
>>
>> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
>> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
>
> No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every psychopathic
> murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border.

Cite? Note, pulling stuff out of your anus, reading it from an Oath
Keepers' email blast, or parroting it from right wing hate radio isn't a
cite.

On 9/21/2022 3:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgfnhg$f7i0$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2022 11:27 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>
>>>>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to
>>>>>> say by their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a
>>>>>> way to circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>>>>
>>>>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
>>>>> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
>>>>> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
>>>>> been committing versus their own people.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
>>>> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
>>>
>>> No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every psychopathic
>>> murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border. And we'll let them
>>> in with a smile because otherwise we're racists or something.
>
>> And none of those prisoners were there because they were spoke out
>> against the government.
>
> Those are the few they're *keeping* as lesson and warning to the rest of
> the population. They're just giving us all the drug dealers, rapists,
> and murderers.

Interesting. Apparently you're so mentally ill now you have the same
affliction as Trump: if he says it it must be true. In fact now he's
claiming he doesn't even have to say it when it comes to classified
documents, he can just "think" it. Do you need a cite even though *my*
credibility is impeccable?

On 9/21/2022 8:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgg2kb$fd1q$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2022 1:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <tgfnhg$f7i0$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/21/2022 11:27 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to
>>>>>>>> say by their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a
>>>>>>>> way to circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and assisting
>>>>>>> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own governments
>>>>>>> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that they've
>>>>>>> been committing versus their own people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their people
>>>>>> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every psychopathic
>>>>> murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border. And we'll let them
>>>>> in with a smile because otherwise we're racists or something.
>>>
>>>> And none of those prisoners were there because they were spoke out
>>>> against the government.
>>>
>>> Those are the few they're *keeping* as lesson and warning to the rest of
>>> the population. They're just giving us all the drug dealers, rapists,
>>> and murderers.
>>>
>> So that includes the women and children?
>
> (1) Why do you automatically assume women = innocent, non-criminal?
> Women can be every bit as evil, violent, and psychopathic as men.

That's not true on any level, but you be you, mmkay?

> (2) From what I've read, the political prisoners are the only ones not
> being released.

Correction: from what you've read in disappearing ink, right?

>>> How many times does Trump actually have to be right about all the things
>>> he says that make leftists run for the fainting couch?
>>>
>>> This was the first "outrage" of them all: when he came down that
>>> escalator in Trump Tower and said "They aren't sending us their best".
>>> Welp, turns out, that's true.

On 9/21/2022 11:37 PM, suzeeq wrote:
> On 9/21/2022 6:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <tgg2kb$fd1q$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/21/2022 1:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <tgfnhg$f7i0$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/21/2022 11:27 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <tgf6mq$e09i$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/21/2022 7:03 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're
>>>>>>>>> coached to
>>>>>>>>> say by their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a
>>>>>>>>> way to circumvent U.S. immigration law.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If their own governments are coaching them in what to say and
>>>>>>>> assisting
>>>>>>>> them in making successful assylum claims, then their own
>>>>>>>> governments
>>>>>>>> would have to provide actual evidence of the attrocities that
>>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>>> been committing versus their own people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't believe Venezuela is doing this. There's more of their
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> trying to get in than Mexicans right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Venezuela is opening up its prisons and sending every
>>>>>> psychopathic
>>>>>> murdering scumbag they have north to the U.S. border. And we'll
>>>>>> let them
>>>>>> in with a smile because otherwise we're racists or something.
>>>>
>>>>> And none of those prisoners were there because they were spoke out
>>>>> against the government.
>>>>
>>>> Those are the few they're *keeping* as lesson and warning to the
>>>> rest of
>>>> the population. They're just giving us all the drug dealers, rapists,
>>>> and murderers.
>>>>
>>> So that includes the women and children?
>>
>> (1) Why do you automatically assume women = innocent, non-criminal?
>> Women can be every bit as evil, violent, and psychopathic as men.
>
> What about the children? I mean the 4 and 5 yr olds, and babies.
>>
>> (2) From what I've read, the political prisoners are the only ones not
>> being released.
>>
> Where have you read this?

LOL!!!

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:03:30 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:47:18 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>:
>>>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>>>>>. . .

>>>>>Oh, and as I understand it they are not illegal immigrants, as many
>>>>>are calling them, but are here seeking asylum.

>>>>They're all 'seeking asylum' because that's what they're coached to say by
>>>>their own governments and open-borders activist groups as a way to
>>>>circumvent U.S. immigration law.

>>>Even if that were true it doesn't change their legal status to be in
>>>the country until such time as a decision can be made regarding their
>>>case.

>>Depends what they do to seek assylum status, right? Knowingly making
>>false claims about attrocities committed against them is a criminal act.
>>That they made truthful assertions about attrocities but the attrocities
>>aren't comparable to the 1930s situation versus the Jews of central
>>Europe isn't criminal regardless of whether the claims will get them
>>assylum status.

>That really doesn't seem to matter at this point.

Abuse of process doesn't matter? You're being ridiculous. Under Trump,
processing through immigration courts nearly ground to a halt. Biden has
barely gotten them moving again.

If the vast majority of asylum seekers knowingly make claims based on
wholely ficticious atrocities, then the sylum seeker with a claim that
deserves to be adjudicated cannot get into immigration court.

That would be real world harm.

>Unless someone can come forth with proof that any of them lied to seek
>asylum status.

That's required if the government wishes to pursue criminal charges but
not if it's just going to lead to deportation. The burden is on the
asylum seeker to prove that the atrocity occured and that he's in fear
for his life if he's deported.

Actually, it would be nice if the government pursued criminal charges
against the most egregious liars because maybe that would serve to deter
others.

>Presumably that is a matter that will come up at their court date to
>determine if they will be given asylum status. For now, they are all
>here legally, till proven otherwise.

Uh, shawn? Someone who has knowingly lied to immigration is an illegal
alien and a criminal. A false claim of asylum based on misrepresented or
entirely false atrocities is a crime. The person has committed fraud and
isn't actually an asylum seeker.

On 2022-09-22 1:31 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> Unless someone can come forth with proof that any of them lied to seek
>> asylum status.
>
> That's required if the government wishes to pursue criminal charges but
> not if it's just going to lead to deportation.
Deportation means uprooting someone from their life and exiling them to
God knows where. If you ask me, that's sufficiently severe that it
should require the same burden of proof as is needed to lock someone up
for years or to kill them.

--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate

On 2022-09-21 4:26 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgfnhg$f7i0$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>> And none of those prisoners were there because they were spoke out
>> against the government.
>
> Those are the few they're *keeping* as lesson and warning to the rest of
> the population. They're just giving us all the drug dealers, rapists,
> and murderers.
[citation needed]

And no, Trump's racist elevator speech doesn't count.

--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate

On Sep 22, 2022 at 8:19:27 PM PDT, "kensi"
<kkensington01-NOSPAM@gmail.invalid> wrote:

> On 2022-09-22 1:31 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless someone can come forth with proof that any of them lied to seek
>>> asylum status.
>>
>> That's required if the government wishes to pursue criminal charges but
>> not if it's just going to lead to deportation.
>>
> Deportation means uprooting someone from their life and exiling them to
> God knows where. If you ask me, that's sufficiently severe that it
> should require the same burden of proof as is needed to lock someone up
> for years or to kill them.

Then they should have thought about that before they traveled to a foreign
country and broke its laws to get in.

Oh, and people massing at the border are not being 'uprooted from their lives'
if they're turned around and deported the moment they cross over illegally.

On 9/22/2022 11:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Sep 22, 2022 at 8:19:27 PM PDT, "kensi"
> <kkensington01-NOSPAM@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-22 1:31 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless someone can come forth with proof that any of them lied to seek
>>>> asylum status.
>>>
>>> That's required if the government wishes to pursue criminal charges but
>>> not if it's just going to lead to deportation.
>>>
>> Deportation means uprooting someone from their life and exiling them to
>> God knows where. If you ask me, that's sufficiently severe that it
>> should require the same burden of proof as is needed to lock someone up
>> for years or to kill them.
>
> Then they should have thought about that before they traveled to a foreign
> country and broke its laws to get in.
>
> Oh, and people massing at the border are not being 'uprooted from their lives'
> if they're turned around and deported the moment they cross over illegally.

Or,minus the LYING, crossing over legally to apply for asylum. Granted,
they're generally not white, so white supremacists like Eunuch Derp
scream bloody murder.