https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237

> RichA
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>
> Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
> that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
> on the set of his film, Rust.
>
> ”I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger
> at them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC
> News.

Except that’s exactly what he did.

> It is believed to have discharged when he removed it
> from a holster during rehearsals for an forthcoming
> scene.

Guns don’t spontaneously discharge on their own.

https://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/7-Transfer-Bar.jpg

RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>
>

Hopefully this will be the start of him getting into some real legal
trouble.

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

On 12/1/2021 4:53 PM, RichA wrote:
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>

What a liar! You should offer to testify against him...

On Wednesday, 1 December 2021 at 17:27:46 UTC-5, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > RichA
> >
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
> >
> > Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
> > that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
> > on the set of his film, Rust.
> >
> > ”I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger
> > at them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC
> > News.
>
> Except that’s exactly what he did.
>
> > It is believed to have discharged when he removed it
> > from a holster during rehearsals for an forthcoming
> > scene.
>
> Guns don’t spontaneously discharge on their own.
>
> https://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/7-Transfer-Bar.jpg

Couldn't he have just shot himself in the foot, did he have to kill someone?
With quick-cuts the norm today in action, why did he even have to practice his quick-draw anyway, especially with
a gun, even loaded with a blank it's stupid.

rander3128@gmail.com wrote:

>https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237

Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
the set of his film, Rust.

[...]

"I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger at
them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC News.

[...]

Asked by Mr Stephanopoulos how a live bullet had made its
way on to the set, Mr Baldwin replied, "I have no idea.

"Someone put a live bullet into a gun. A bullet that wasn't
even supposed to be on the property."

Yeah, I heard about him lieing three times in this "interview".
Of course, the Clinton hack who used to help smear woman Bill
raped had nothing to say about his lies.

Mr Stephanopoulos described their 80-minute discussion
as "raw" and "intense.

The journalist described Mr Baldwin, 63, as "devastated"
yet "very candid" and "forthcoming", while previewing the
interview on Wednesday's Good Morning America.
"I've done thousands of interviews in the last 20 years at
ABC," he said. "This was the most intense I've ever
experienced."

--
Let's go Brandon!

anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

>> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>
>Hopefully this will be the start of him getting into some real legal
>trouble.

One can only hope!
*grabs some popcorn*

--
Let's go Brandon!

rander3128@gmail.com wrote:

>https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>
> Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
> that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
> the set of his film, Rust.
>
> [...]
>
> "I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger at
> them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC News.
>
> [...]
>
> Asked by Mr Stephanopoulos how a live bullet had made its
> way on to the set, Mr Baldwin replied, "I have no idea.
>
> "Someone put a live bullet into a gun. A bullet that wasn't
> even supposed to be on the property."

Actor Alec Baldwin said during an ABC News interview on Thursday night that
he does not feel guilt over the shooting death of Halyna Hutchins, claiming
that someone else is responsible for what happened.

"Do you feel guilt?" ABC News host George Stephanopoulos asked Baldwin during
an exclusive interview.

"No. No," Baldwin said. "I feel that there is, I feel that someone is
responsible for what happened and I can't say who that is, but I know it's
not me."

"I might have killed myself if I thought I was responsible, and I don't say
that lightly," he added.

WATCH:

.@GStephanopoulos: "Do you feel guilt?"

Alec Baldwin: "No. Someone is responsible for what happened and I
can't say who that is, but I know it's not me."

READ MORE: https://t.co/zYugqKhIVW #BaldwinABC
pic.twitter.com/97F9wOYYTT

- ABC News (@ABC) December 3, 2021

ABC News reports:

On Oct. 21, Baldwin was holding an antique revolver during a dress
rehearsal for the Western at the Bonanza Creek Ranch near Santa Fe,
New Mexico, when it discharged, killing the film's cinematographer,
Halyna Hutchins, and wounding its director, Joel Souza.

Halyna Hutchins "was someone who was loved by everyone who worked with and
liked by everyone who worked with and admired," Baldwin said. "And even now,
I find it hard to believe that, it just doesn't seem, it doesn't seem real to
me."

When pressed by ABC News' George Stephanopoulos about how "it wasn't in the
script for the trigger to be pulled," Baldwin responded by claiming, "Well,
the trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger."

"I cock the gun. I go, `Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see
that?'" Baldwin said. "And then I let go of the hammer of the gun, and the
gun goes off. I let go of the hammer of the gun, the gun goes off."

"So you never pulled the trigger?" Stephanopoulos pressed.

"No, no, no, no," Baldwin claimed. "I would never point a gun at anyone and
pull the trigger at them. Never."

WATCH:

EXCLUSIVE: "The trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger,"
Alec Baldwin tells @GStephanopoulos in first interview since fatal
shooting on set of "Rust."

Watch TOMORROW at 8pm ET on @ABC and stream later on @Hulu.
https://t.co/u7L88vylra pic.twitter.com/bJsssJoAJq

- ABC News (@ABC) December 1, 2021

The Reload, a Second Amendment publication, analyzed Baldwin's claims:

At first glance, this sounds far-fetched. It is exceedingly rare for a gun to
fire without the trigger being depressed. Modern firearms, even replicas of
antique guns, have safeties specifically designed to prevent them from firing
without the trigger being pulled. It only really happens when the gun's
firing mechanism is damaged, or there is a significant design flaw. That's
why most gun owners and firearms safety trainers are highly skeptical of any
claim a gun just "went off" absent user error.

In Baldwin's case, though, the claim is at least somewhat more believable.
That's because the gun involved is more prone to firing without the trigger
being pulled. And, even though it's a modern replica of an antique design,
it's possible it did not include modern safety devices.

Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza identified the gun used in the shooting
as a modern Pietta replica of a single-action army revolver. Those guns can
be bought either with a transfer bar that makes it impossible for the firing
pin to strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled or without one. Often,
enthusiasts and collectors prefer the models without modern safety devices
because it's more authentic and perfectly safe when handled properly.

A single-action revolver usually requires the hammer to be manually cocked,
and the trigger be pulled for a shot to be fired. That's why it's referred to
as a single-action: because the trigger performs just one action. It drops
the hammer. In a double-action revolver, on the other hand, the trigger can
both cock and release the hammer.

However, a single-action revolver with the old-style firing mechanism can
fire without either the hammer being cocked or the trigger being pulled. When
the hammer is down on that kind of revolver, the firing pin protrudes and, if
a live round is loaded in the chamber underneath, a sharp enough jolt can
cause the pin to strike the round's primer with enough force to set it off.

--
Let's go Brandon!

On Dec 1, 2021 at 2:27:43 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> RichA
>>
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>>
>> Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
>> that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
>> on the set of his film, Rust.
>>
>> ”I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger
>> at them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC
>> News.
>
> Except that’s exactly what he did.
>
>> It is believed to have discharged when he removed it
>> from a holster during rehearsals for an forthcoming
>> scene.
>
> Guns don’t spontaneously discharge on their own.
>
> https://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/7-Transfer-Bar.jpg

"I feel that someone is responsible for what happened and I can't say who that
is. But I know it's not me... I mean, I honest to God, if I felt that I was
responsible, I might have killed myself."

--Alec Baldwin saying he does not feel guilt over RUST shooting

Just insane that he actually said these words, in this order, on national
television, about a woman he killed because he didn't bother to check to see
if the gun he was pointing at actual people was loaded.

On 2021-12-03 11:28 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> rander3128@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>>
>> Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
>> that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>> the set of his film, Rust.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> "I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger at
>> them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC News.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Asked by Mr Stephanopoulos how a live bullet had made its
>> way on to the set, Mr Baldwin replied, "I have no idea.
>>
>> "Someone put a live bullet into a gun. A bullet that wasn't
>> even supposed to be on the property."
>
> Actor Alec Baldwin said during an ABC News interview on Thursday night that
> he does not feel guilt over the shooting death of Halyna Hutchins, claiming
> that someone else is responsible for what happened.
>
> "Do you feel guilt?" ABC News host George Stephanopoulos asked Baldwin during
> an exclusive interview.
>
> "No. No," Baldwin said. "I feel that there is, I feel that someone is
> responsible for what happened and I can't say who that is, but I know it's
> not me."
>
> "I might have killed myself if I thought I was responsible, and I don't say
> that lightly," he added.
>
> WATCH:
>
> .@GStephanopoulos: "Do you feel guilt?"
>
> Alec Baldwin: "No. Someone is responsible for what happened and I
> can't say who that is, but I know it's not me."
>
> READ MORE: https://t.co/zYugqKhIVW #BaldwinABC
> pic.twitter.com/97F9wOYYTT
>
> - ABC News (@ABC) December 3, 2021
>
> ABC News reports:
>
> On Oct. 21, Baldwin was holding an antique revolver during a dress
> rehearsal for the Western at the Bonanza Creek Ranch near Santa Fe,
> New Mexico, when it discharged, killing the film's cinematographer,
> Halyna Hutchins, and wounding its director, Joel Souza.
>
> Halyna Hutchins "was someone who was loved by everyone who worked with and
> liked by everyone who worked with and admired," Baldwin said. "And even now,
> I find it hard to believe that, it just doesn't seem, it doesn't seem real to
> me."
>
> When pressed by ABC News' George Stephanopoulos about how "it wasn't in the
> script for the trigger to be pulled," Baldwin responded by claiming, "Well,
> the trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger."
>
> "I cock the gun. I go, `Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see
> that?'" Baldwin said. "And then I let go of the hammer of the gun, and the
> gun goes off. I let go of the hammer of the gun, the gun goes off."
>
> "So you never pulled the trigger?" Stephanopoulos pressed.
>
> "No, no, no, no," Baldwin claimed. "I would never point a gun at anyone and
> pull the trigger at them. Never."
>
> WATCH:
>
> EXCLUSIVE: "The trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger,"
> Alec Baldwin tells @GStephanopoulos in first interview since fatal
> shooting on set of "Rust."
>
> Watch TOMORROW at 8pm ET on @ABC and stream later on @Hulu.
> https://t.co/u7L88vylra pic.twitter.com/bJsssJoAJq
>
> - ABC News (@ABC) December 1, 2021
>
> The Reload, a Second Amendment publication, analyzed Baldwin's claims:
>
> At first glance, this sounds far-fetched. It is exceedingly rare for a gun to
> fire without the trigger being depressed. Modern firearms, even replicas of
> antique guns, have safeties specifically designed to prevent them from firing
> without the trigger being pulled. It only really happens when the gun's
> firing mechanism is damaged, or there is a significant design flaw. That's
> why most gun owners and firearms safety trainers are highly skeptical of any
> claim a gun just "went off" absent user error.
>
> In Baldwin's case, though, the claim is at least somewhat more believable.
> That's because the gun involved is more prone to firing without the trigger
> being pulled. And, even though it's a modern replica of an antique design,
> it's possible it did not include modern safety devices.
>
> Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza identified the gun used in the shooting
> as a modern Pietta replica of a single-action army revolver. Those guns can
> be bought either with a transfer bar that makes it impossible for the firing
> pin to strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled or without one. Often,
> enthusiasts and collectors prefer the models without modern safety devices
> because it's more authentic and perfectly safe when handled properly.
>
> A single-action revolver usually requires the hammer to be manually cocked,
> and the trigger be pulled for a shot to be fired. That's why it's referred to
> as a single-action: because the trigger performs just one action. It drops
> the hammer. In a double-action revolver, on the other hand, the trigger can
> both cock and release the hammer.
>
> However, a single-action revolver with the old-style firing mechanism can
> fire without either the hammer being cocked or the trigger being pulled. When
> the hammer is down on that kind of revolver, the firing pin protrudes and, if
> a live round is loaded in the chamber underneath, a sharp enough jolt can
> cause the pin to strike the round's primer with enough force to set it off.
>
Okay, let's assume it's true that some replicas don't have transfer
bars. Clearly the next thing to determine is to see if the revolver that
"just went off" in Baldwin's hands has a transfer bar. I have to assume
that any competent gunsmith could determine that easily enough.

Or has someone "lost" the revolver or messed up the chain of custody so
that no one is sure whether the revolver that is presumably in the
police evidence locker was actually the revolver from the incident?

--
Rhino

On 2021-12-03 12:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Dec 1, 2021 at 2:27:43 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> RichA
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>>>
>>> Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
>>> that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
>>> on the set of his film, Rust.
>>>
>>> ”I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger
>>> at them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC
>>> News.
>>
>> Except that’s exactly what he did.
>>
>>> It is believed to have discharged when he removed it
>>> from a holster during rehearsals for an forthcoming
>>> scene.
>>
>> Guns don’t spontaneously discharge on their own.
>>
>> https://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/7-Transfer-Bar.jpg
>
> "I feel that someone is responsible for what happened and I can't say who that
> is. But I know it's not me... I mean, I honest to God, if I felt that I was
> responsible, I might have killed myself."
>
> --Alec Baldwin saying he does not feel guilt over RUST shooting
>
> Just insane that he actually said these words, in this order, on national
> television, about a woman he killed because he didn't bother to check to see
> if the gun he was pointing at actual people was loaded.
>
>
If asked, I feel sure he would insist that "it's not my job to check the
gun: I'm an actor not an armourer". And most of the public would
probably buy that argument....

--
Rhino

On Dec 3, 2021 at 10:22:26 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:

> On 2021-12-03 12:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Dec 1, 2021 at 2:27:43 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> RichA
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>>>>
>>>> Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
>>>> that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
>>>> on the set of his film, Rust.
>>>>
>>>> ”I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger
>>>> at them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC
>>>> News.
>>>
>>> Except that’s exactly what he did.
>>>
>>>> It is believed to have discharged when he removed it
>>>> from a holster during rehearsals for an forthcoming
>>>> scene.
>>>
>>> Guns don’t spontaneously discharge on their own.
>>>
>>> https://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/7-Transfer-Bar.jpg
>>
>> "I feel that someone is responsible for what happened and I can't say who
>> that
>> is. But I know it's not me... I mean, I honest to God, if I felt that I was
>> responsible, I might have killed myself."
>>
>> --Alec Baldwin saying he does not feel guilt over RUST shooting
>>
>> Just insane that he actually said these words, in this order, on national
>> television, about a woman he killed because he didn't bother to check to see
>> if the gun he was pointing at actual people was loaded.
>>
>>
> If asked, I feel sure he would insist that "it's not my job to check the
> gun: I'm an actor not an armourer". And most of the public would
> probably buy that argument....

It's *everyone's* job (i.e., responsibility) to know the status of any firearm
they handle. Whether you're an accountant, a nurse, a cop, a janitor, a truck
driver, a waitress, or, yes, even an actor, you bear that responsibility.
There's no 'but I'm an actor!" escape clause in there.

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>On 2021-12-03 12:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

>>"I feel that someone is responsible for what happened and I can't say
>>who that is. But I know it's not me... I mean, I honest to God, if I
>>felt that I was responsible, I might have killed myself."

>> --Alec Baldwin saying he does not feel guilt over RUST shooting

>>Just insane that he actually said these words, in this order, on national
>>television, about a woman he killed because he didn't bother to check to see
>>if the gun he was pointing at actual people was loaded.

>If asked, I feel sure he would insist that "it's not my job to check the
>gun: I'm an actor not an armourer". And most of the public would
>probably buy that argument....

Rhino, I certainly hope the public aren't that deluded.

By definition: The crown prince, as a little boy growing up, can do no
wrong. So if the prince misbehaves, there's another little boy who gets
whipped. Alec Baldwin is a responsible adult but he's behaving like one
of the elite, that he's too important to be responsible for the
consequences of the harm he's caused.

Most of us have worked on job sites and have been told that some of the
equipment, if one isn't paying proper attention, can be deadly. On a
production line, if workers are maintaining it, you cannot see the
entire line from one end to the other. So there's a lever that controls
the breaker. When the break is off, the lever is in a position that it
lines up with another bar and holes that align are drilled through both.
Each maintenance worker has a key lock that he puts through the holes.
Only he keeps the key. If six workers are maintaining the line, there
are six locks on the bar. As each maintenance worker comes off the line,
he unlocks and removes the lock. Only when there are no workers in
maintenance can the lever be thrown and the circuit become live.

No one would ever just yell out, "No workers on the line!" to the guy
about to reset the breaker and turn the line back on.

At a job site, each and every worker is separately responsible for
safety on the job. The responsibility cannot be shifted, not even if one
is an actor on a movie production.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>It's *everyone's* job (i.e., responsibility) to know the status of any firearm
>they handle. Whether you're an accountant, a nurse, a cop, a janitor, a truck
>driver, a waitress, or, yes, even an actor, you bear that responsibility.
>There's no 'but I'm an actor!" escape clause in there.

The next time a gang banger gets arrested for having shot and killed
some arbitrary person, maybe he'll shout "I'm an actor! We were just
rehearsing! No one told me there was live ammunition in the gun!"
That'll get him immunity from prosecution, yes?

On 2021-12-03 1:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2021 at 10:22:26 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-03 12:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Dec 1, 2021 at 2:27:43 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> RichA
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>>>>>
>>>>> Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
>>>>> that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
>>>>> on the set of his film, Rust.
>>>>>
>>>>> ”I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger
>>>>> at them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC
>>>>> News.
>>>>
>>>> Except that’s exactly what he did.
>>>>
>>>>> It is believed to have discharged when he removed it
>>>>> from a holster during rehearsals for an forthcoming
>>>>> scene.
>>>>
>>>> Guns don’t spontaneously discharge on their own.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/7-Transfer-Bar.jpg
>>>
>>> "I feel that someone is responsible for what happened and I can't say who
>>> that
>>> is. But I know it's not me... I mean, I honest to God, if I felt that I was
>>> responsible, I might have killed myself."
>>>
>>> --Alec Baldwin saying he does not feel guilt over RUST shooting
>>>
>>> Just insane that he actually said these words, in this order, on national
>>> television, about a woman he killed because he didn't bother to check to see
>>> if the gun he was pointing at actual people was loaded.
>>>
>>>
>> If asked, I feel sure he would insist that "it's not my job to check the
>> gun: I'm an actor not an armourer". And most of the public would
>> probably buy that argument....
>
> It's *everyone's* job (i.e., responsibility) to know the status of any firearm
> they handle. Whether you're an accountant, a nurse, a cop, a janitor, a truck
> driver, a waitress, or, yes, even an actor, you bear that responsibility.
> There's no 'but I'm an actor!" escape clause in there.
>
>
People who've had some training with guns know that because it's Lesson
One in the gun basics courses. But a lot of people have never had that
training and THEY will buy the idea that Baldwin had no responsibility.
I think the "I'm just an actor" excuse probably WOULD fly here in Canada
where fewer people are familiar with guns. In the US, I know that a LOT
of people know about guns but I'll bet the Left will still try to give
him a pass on this because he's one of them and a lot of the Leftists
WILL buy the "it's not the actor's job" line. They'd be wrong of course
but they're wrong about practically everything so that isn't going to
deter them. It remains to be seen if prosecutors, judges, and juries are
so easily swayed into seeing things Baldwin's way.

--
Rhino

On 2021-12-03 2:50 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2021-12-03 12:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>
>>> "I feel that someone is responsible for what happened and I can't say
>>> who that is. But I know it's not me... I mean, I honest to God, if I
>>> felt that I was responsible, I might have killed myself."
>
>>> --Alec Baldwin saying he does not feel guilt over RUST shooting
>
>>> Just insane that he actually said these words, in this order, on national
>>> television, about a woman he killed because he didn't bother to check to see
>>> if the gun he was pointing at actual people was loaded.
>
>> If asked, I feel sure he would insist that "it's not my job to check the
>> gun: I'm an actor not an armourer". And most of the public would
>> probably buy that argument....
>
> Rhino, I certainly hope the public aren't that deluded.
>
> By definition: The crown prince, as a little boy growing up, can do no
> wrong. So if the prince misbehaves, there's another little boy who gets
> whipped.

That's precisely the origin of the concept of the "whipping boy".

> Alec Baldwin is a responsible adult but he's behaving like one
> of the elite, that he's too important to be responsible for the
> consequences of the harm he's caused.
>
> Most of us have worked on job sites and have been told that some of the
> equipment, if one isn't paying proper attention, can be deadly. On a
> production line, if workers are maintaining it, you cannot see the
> entire line from one end to the other. So there's a lever that controls
> the breaker. When the break is off, the lever is in a position that it
> lines up with another bar and holes that align are drilled through both.
> Each maintenance worker has a key lock that he puts through the holes.
> Only he keeps the key. If six workers are maintaining the line, there
> are six locks on the bar. As each maintenance worker comes off the line,
> he unlocks and removes the lock. Only when there are no workers in
> maintenance can the lever be thrown and the circuit become live.
>
> No one would ever just yell out, "No workers on the line!" to the guy
> about to reset the breaker and turn the line back on.
>
> At a job site, each and every worker is separately responsible for
> safety on the job. The responsibility cannot be shifted, not even if one
> is an actor on a movie production.
>
I'm fully agreed that Baldwin SHOULD be held responsible for that gun's
discharge; I'm just not 100% sure he will be. If the prosecutor and
judge have strong Leftist inclinations and the jury is hand-selected to
contain no one that knows anything about gun safety basics, some version
of "I'm not responsible because neutering the gun was someone else's
job" MAY just persuade the jury. That would be a crying shame but I
wouldn't rule it out.

--
Rhino

> Rhino
> > Ubiquitous
> >
> > Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza identified the gun used in the shooting
> > as a modern Pietta replica of a single-action army revolver. Those guns can
> > be bought either with a transfer bar that makes it impossible for the firing
> > pin to strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled or without one. Often,
> > enthusiasts and collectors prefer the models without modern safety devices
> > because it's more authentic and perfectly safe when handled properly.
>
> Okay, let's assume it's true that some replicas don't have transfer
> bars. Clearly the next thing to determine is to see if the revolver that
> "just went off" in Baldwin's hands has a transfer bar. I have to assume
> that any competent gunsmith could determine that easily enough.

Baldwin is lying, he cocked the hammer, pointed the gun at someone
and PULLED THE TRIGGER.

https://www.firearmstalk.com/threads/problems-with-my-1873-traditions-revolver-pietta.128972/

You don’t need to be a gunsmith to confirm this, all you have to do
is cock the hammer and and you’ll clearly see the transfer bar safety:

https://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/7-Transfer-Bar.jpg
https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Ruger-Blackhawk-4.jpg
https://gunblast.com/images/Ruger_Single-Six_50th/Mvc-008f.jpg

The article from ABC news claims that Pietta makes revolvers both with
and _without_ a transfer bar safety but as a machinist and firearm hobbyist
(AKA gun nut) I find it hard to believe a company would waste the time, money
and effort (in addition to the legal ramifications) making two types of the
same revolver and I’ll even suggest that ATF regulations probably mandate
a transfer bar safety on oldy timey reproduction guns (and Baldwin wasn’t
using an original from the 1800s).

But even if the revolver didn’t have a transfer bar safety, Baldwin would
have _still_ had to have pulled the trigger to fire it off, or else thrown
the revolver on the ground in such a way that it landed perfectly on the
cocked hammer and the hammer notch just happened to release, so
that it fired (this is pretty much impossible).

> Rhino
>
> If asked, I feel sure he would insist that "it's not my job to check the
> gun: I'm an actor not an armourer". And most of the public would
> probably buy that argument....

That’s what Baldwin’s lawyers are hoping for…

> Adam H. Kerman
>
> Most of us have worked on job sites and have been told that some of the
> equipment, if one isn't paying proper attention, can be deadly. On a
> production line, if workers are maintaining it, you cannot see the
> entire line from one end to the other. So there's a lever that controls
> the breaker. When the break is off, the lever is in a position that it
> lines up with another bar and holes that align are drilled through both.
> Each maintenance worker has a key lock that he puts through the holes.
> Only he keeps the key. If six workers are maintaining the line, there
> are six locks on the bar. As each maintenance worker comes off the line,
> he unlocks and removes the lock. Only when there are no workers in
> maintenance can the lever be thrown and the circuit become live.

Lockouts/tagouts:

https://d2c6s77msf04pp.cloudfront.net/uploads/content/lockout-tagout-5e788529e89e6.jpg

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 13:20:39 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>> Actor Alec Baldwin said during an ABC News interview on Thursday night that
>> he does not feel guilt over the shooting death of Halyna Hutchins, claiming
>> that someone else is responsible for what happened.
>>
>> "Do you feel guilt?" ABC News host George Stephanopoulos asked Baldwin during
>> an exclusive interview.
>>
>> "No. No," Baldwin said. "I feel that there is, I feel that someone is
>> responsible for what happened and I can't say who that is, but I know it's
>> not me."
>>
>> "I might have killed myself if I thought I was responsible, and I don't say
>> that lightly," he added.

The way he's digging a hole for himself his next film role is likely
to be a remake of The China Syndrome!

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 19:26:14 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>People who've had some training with guns know that because it's Lesson
>One in the gun basics courses. But a lot of people have never had that
>training and THEY will buy the idea that Baldwin had no responsibility.
>I think the "I'm just an actor" excuse probably WOULD fly here in Canada
>where fewer people are familiar with guns. In the US, I know that a LOT
>of people know about guns but I'll bet the Left will still try to give
>him a pass on this because he's one of them and a lot of the Leftists
>WILL buy the "it's not the actor's job" line. They'd be wrong of course
>but they're wrong about practically everything so that isn't going to
>deter them. It remains to be seen if prosecutors, judges, and juries are
>so easily swayed into seeing things Baldwin's way.

As you know firearms are less common in Canada than the US and it was
mildly unnerving when my girlfriend (now wife) announced on our 3rd or
4th date that she had a Firearms Acquisition Certificate (Canadian-ese
for the 7 day wait period common in many states before purchasing a
weapon) and that while she didn't currently have a pistol that
certificate enabled her to do so at any time. (She had done range
shooting but hadn't been in two years when I entered her life)

My only other exposure to firearms was my father's rifle he hunted
deer and moose with way back when.

This is a fairly typical Canadian experience.

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>On 2021-12-03 2:50 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>On 2021-12-03 12:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

>>>>"I feel that someone is responsible for what happened and I can't say
>>>>who that is. But I know it's not me... I mean, I honest to God, if I
>>>>felt that I was responsible, I might have killed myself."

>>>> --Alec Baldwin saying he does not feel guilt over RUST shooting

>>>>Just insane that he actually said these words, in this order, on
>>>>national television, about a woman he killed because he didn't bother
>>>>to check to see if the gun he was pointing at actual people was loaded.

>>>If asked, I feel sure he would insist that "it's not my job to check the
>>>gun: I'm an actor not an armourer". And most of the public would
>>>probably buy that argument....

>>Rhino, I certainly hope the public aren't that deluded.

>>By definition: The crown prince, as a little boy growing up, can do no
>>wrong. So if the prince misbehaves, there's another little boy who gets
>>whipped.

>That's precisely the origin of the concept of the "whipping boy".

That's why the example occurred to me. I think it will occur to most of
the public too. I don't agree with you.

>>Alec Baldwin is a responsible adult but he's behaving like one
>>of the elite, that he's too important to be responsible for the
>>consequences of the harm he's caused.

>>Most of us have worked on job sites and have been told that some of the
>>equipment, if one isn't paying proper attention, can be deadly. On a
>>production line, if workers are maintaining it, you cannot see the
>>entire line from one end to the other. So there's a lever that controls
>>the breaker. When the break is off, the lever is in a position that it
>>lines up with another bar and holes that align are drilled through both.
>>Each maintenance worker has a key lock that he puts through the holes.
>>Only he keeps the key. If six workers are maintaining the line, there
>>are six locks on the bar. As each maintenance worker comes off the line,
>>he unlocks and removes the lock. Only when there are no workers in
>>maintenance can the lever be thrown and the circuit become live.

>>No one would ever just yell out, "No workers on the line!" to the guy
>>about to reset the breaker and turn the line back on.

>>At a job site, each and every worker is separately responsible for
>>safety on the job. The responsibility cannot be shifted, not even if one
>>is an actor on a movie production.

>I'm fully agreed that Baldwin SHOULD be held responsible for that gun's
>discharge; I'm just not 100% sure he will be. If the prosecutor and
>judge have strong Leftist inclinations and the jury is hand-selected to
>contain no one that knows anything about gun safety basics, some version
>of "I'm not responsible because neutering the gun was someone else's
>job" MAY just persuade the jury. That would be a crying shame but I
>wouldn't rule it out.

Where do you get politics? If anything, leftist politics would make it
MORE likely that Baldwin is held criminally responsible as 1) he injured
and killed another worker and 2) to a large extent, he's management,
especially in his blame-shifting attempts.

The prosecutor must not allow politics to intrude. That's hugely
unethical and would get him disbarred. You can't expect the jury to know
anything about gun safety. This is the purpose of calling an expert
witness.

atropos@mac.com wrote:
> "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> RichA

>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>>>
>>> Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
>>> that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
>>> on the set of his film, Rust.
>>>
>>> ”I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger
>>> at them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC
>>> News.
>>
>> Except that’s exactly what he did.
>>
>>> It is believed to have discharged when he removed it
>>> from a holster during rehearsals for an forthcoming
>>> scene.
>>
>> Guns don’t spontaneously discharge on their own.
>>
>> https://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/7-Transfer-Bar.jpg
>
>"I feel that someone is responsible for what happened and I can't say who
>that is. But I know it's not me... I mean, I honest to God, if I felt that
>I was responsible, I might have killed myself."
>
> --Alec Baldwin saying he does not feel guilt over RUST shooting
>
>Just insane that he actually said these words, in this order, on national
>television, about a woman he killed because he didn't bother to check to see
>if the gun he was pointing at actual people was loaded.

Hey Alec! Would you put a gun to your head and pull trigger without checking
it?

The man is a sociopath and a narcist.

--
Let's go Brandon!

no_offline_contact@example.com wrote:
>On 2021-12-03 12:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Dec 1, 2021 at 2:27:43 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> RichA

>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59499237
>>>>
>>>> Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" of the gun
>>>> that fatally wounded cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
>>>> on the set of his film, Rust.
>>>>
>>>> ”I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger
>>>> at them. Never," he told George Stephanopoulos of ABC
>>>> News.
>>>
>>> Except that’s exactly what he did.
>>>
>>>> It is believed to have discharged when he removed it
>>>> from a holster during rehearsals for an forthcoming
>>>> scene.
>>>
>>> Guns don't spontaneously discharge on their own.
>>
>> "I feel that someone is responsible for what happened and I can't say who
>> that is. But I know it's not me... I mean, I honest to God, if I felt that
>> I was responsible, I might have killed myself."
>>
>> --Alec Baldwin saying he does not feel guilt over RUST shooting
>>
>> Just insane that he actually said these words, in this order, on national
>> television, about a woman he killed because he didn't bother to check to
>> see if the gun he was pointing at actual people was loaded.
>
>If asked, I feel sure he would insist that "it's not my job to check the
>gun: I'm an actor not an armourer". And most of the public would
>probably buy that argument....

There is no excuse. They have mandatory gun safety training.

--
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no_offline_contact@example.com wrote:

>I think the "I'm just an actor" excuse probably WOULD fly here in Canada
>where fewer people are familiar with guns. In the US, I know that a LOT
>of people know about guns but I'll bet the Left will still try to give
>him a pass on this because he's one of them and a lot of the Leftists
>WILL buy the "it's not the actor's job" line.

If I heard correctly, a lot of them didn't appreciate what he said on his
interview.

--
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