suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

>>. . .

>Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer? Seems like it's got a
>lot of the features needed.

Just reading that the armored kits they added to them in the Second Iraq
War to withstand IEDs strained the chassis and made the doors very
difficult to open.

The original unarmored vehicles weren't intended as a front-line vehicle.

I thought they were meant to have a massive gun mounted in the center.
Does the president really need this?

On 7/3/2022 10:32 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jul 2022 22:06:33 -0400, shawn
> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:54:08 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <t9hsrp$s3ht$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2022 9:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 20:29:21 -0500, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 17:16:53 -0400, shawn
>>>>>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 15:35:03 -0500, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2022 at 1:13:29 PM PDT, "bruce bowser"
>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Former President Donald Trump lunged for the steering wheel and
>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbed his driver after being told that he would not be going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Capitol with his supporters after his rally on Jan. 6. "
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> NPR - June 28, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108301900/witness-recalls-trump-lungi
>>>>>>>>>>>> ng-for-the-wheel-when-told-he-couldnt-go-to-the-capit
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a lie. It's not physically possible for the protectee in the
>>>>>>>>>>> back of the Beast to grab the steering wheel.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had that question myself but she is reporting what she heard Mr
>>>>>>>>>> Onato say so it is possible that Trump did try to reach forward as
>>>>>>>>>> though he were going for the steering wheel and that got retold as him
>>>>>>>>>> actually reaching for and grabbing the steering wheel. Which wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> be too surprising as people often enhance events when retelling what
>>>>>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, I missed this. The vehicle in question wasn't the beast but a SUV.
>>>>>>>>> So he would have been easily able to reach the steering wheel if he so
>>>>>>>>> wished.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So either way, the NPR story was a lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not a lie, just a bad assumption.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Journalists are not in the business of making assumptions. They're
>>>>>> supposed to report verified facts.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/peteralexander/status/1541910389289635841?s=21
>>>>>
>>>>> Starting to sound more and more like a lie every minute.
>>>>>
>>>> Or they're lying to cover their asses.
>>>
>>> "We must believe the Jan6 hearings! (Unless they say something that
>>> contradicts the narrative.)"
>>>
>>> And why would the agents need to cover their asses? Whether Trump did or
>>> did not try and grab the wheel, they're not going to get into trouble
>>> for it. The only thing that would put their asses in jeopardy would be
>>> to lie before Congress, so if you believe they want to cover their
>>> asses, you'd be more inclined to believe them than not.
>>
>> Do we believe them or not? Seems to me like Hutchinson may have been
>> told an exaggerated version of the story but if the same basic story
>> is coming from multiple people then it likely is the truth.
>>
>
> Agents are ready and willing to testify that she lied. Why haven't
> they been called? Stupid youtube links deleted.

I'll bet they could even do it as a barbershop quartet...

On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
>>
>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian democracy.
>
> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of government is
> operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?

Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...

On 7/3/2022 8:13 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>>> . . .
>
>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer? Seems like it's got a
>> lot of the features needed.
>
> Just reading that the armored kits they added to them in the Second Iraq
> War to withstand IEDs strained the chassis and made the doors very
> difficult to open.
>
> The original unarmored vehicles weren't intended as a front-line vehicle.
>
> I thought they were meant to have a massive gun mounted in the center.
> Does the president really need this?
>
The civilian models don't have this.

suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>On 7/3/2022 8:13 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

>>>>. . .

>>>Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer? Seems like it's got a
>>>lot of the features needed.

>>Just reading that the armored kits they added to them in the Second Iraq
>>War to withstand IEDs strained the chassis and made the doors very
>>difficult to open.

>>The original unarmored vehicles weren't intended as a front-line vehicle.
>>I thought they were meant to have a massive gun mounted in the center.
>>Does the president really need this?

>The civilian models don't have this.

It's the same basic chasis. Never made any sense that there was a
civilian version for mounting a gun turret.

In any event, a vehicle designed to protect someone from an assault with
military weapons and bombs isn't going to be your civilian version with
armor added to it.

In article <t9sbml$32qqe$1@dont-email.me>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
> >>. . .
>
> >Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer? Seems like it's got a
> >lot of the features needed.
>
> Just reading that the armored kits they added to them in the Second Iraq
> War to withstand IEDs strained the chassis and made the doors very
> difficult to open.
>
> The original unarmored vehicles weren't intended as a front-line vehicle.
>
> I thought they were meant to have a massive gun mounted in the center.
> Does the president really need this?

You're in the motorcade, you're traveling down a major surface street,
one of the motorcycle cops reports a cement truck heading toward the
boulevard from the side street he's blocking with his bike, picking up
speed, and refusing to acknowledge the uniforms posted along the route.

You have mere seconds to do something to mitigate a threat from a
vehicle that-- if it is packed with explosives, could turn the Beast
into scrap metal, along with most of the rest of the city block.

The motorcycle cop has a pistol. Maybe a shotgun. Against a cement truck.

What's your countermeasure?

In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
> >>
> >> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
> >> democracy.
> >
> > How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of government is
> > operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
>
> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...

What did they tell you?

"Yay, communism"?

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

>>>. . .

>>Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...

>What did they tell you?

>"Yay, communism"?

The commies stole May Day. May is named for the fertility goddess. How
do you celebrate fertility? Drunken orgies, duh.

Anyway, it became "international labor day" as it's close to the
anniversary of Haymarket making it a double co-option. The one thing it
was never ever supposed to be was a military parade.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

>>>>. . .

>>>Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer? Seems like it's got a
>>>lot of the features needed.

>>Just reading that the armored kits they added to them in the Second Iraq
>>War to withstand IEDs strained the chassis and made the doors very
>>difficult to open.

>>The original unarmored vehicles weren't intended as a front-line vehicle.

>>I thought they were meant to have a massive gun mounted in the center.
>>Does the president really need this?

>You're in the motorcade, you're traveling down a major surface street,
>one of the motorcycle cops reports a cement truck heading toward the
>boulevard from the side street he's blocking with his bike, picking up
>speed, and refusing to acknowledge the uniforms posted along the route.

>You have mere seconds to do something to mitigate a threat from a
>vehicle that-- if it is packed with explosives, could turn the Beast
>into scrap metal, along with most of the rest of the city block.

>The motorcycle cop has a pistol. Maybe a shotgun. Against a cement truck.

>What's your countermeasure?

Fine. The president rides shotgun. He'll have to operate it.

On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
>>>>
>>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
>>>> democracy.
>>>
>>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of government is
>>> operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
>>
>> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...
>
> What did they tell you?
>
> "Yay, communism"?

That the USSR was a civilian democracy?

In article <KslwK.431883$5fVf.173756@fx09.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
> > moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
> >>>>
> >>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
> >>>> democracy.
> >>>
> >>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of government
> >>> is operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
> >>
> >> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...
> >
> > What did they tell you?
> >
> > "Yay, communism"?
>
> That the USSR was a civilian democracy?

So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
did that mean we were a communist dictatorship, too?

Or do such things actually have nothing to do with the form of
government involved?

On 7/3/2022 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <KslwK.431883$5fVf.173756@fx09.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of government
>>>>> is operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
>>>>
>>>> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...
>>>
>>> What did they tell you?
>>>
>>> "Yay, communism"?
>>
>> That the USSR was a civilian democracy?
>
> So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
> military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
> did that mean we were a communist dictatorship, too?
>
> Or do such things actually have nothing to do with the form of
> government involved?

Who knows the actual form of government involved...especially recently.
However, you were speaking of "appearances"...

In article <qamwK.401462$JVi.115798@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 7/3/2022 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <KslwK.431883$5fVf.173756@fx09.iad>,
> > moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
> >>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
> >>>>>> democracy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of government
> >>>>> is operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
> >>>>
> >>>> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...
> >>>
> >>> What did they tell you?
> >>>
> >>> "Yay, communism"?
> >>
> >> That the USSR was a civilian democracy?
> >
> > So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
> > military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
> > did that mean we were a communist dictatorship, too?
> >
> > Or do such things actually have nothing to do with the form of
> > government involved?
>
> Who knows the actual form of government involved...especially recently.
> However, you were speaking of "appearances"...

Oh, my mistake. Hate to leave a nit unpicked:

So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
did that mean we looked like a communist dictatorship, too?

On 7/3/2022 2:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <KslwK.431883$5fVf.173756@fx09.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of government
>>>>> is operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
>>>>
>>>> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...
>>>
>>> What did they tell you?
>>>
>>> "Yay, communism"?
>>
>> That the USSR was a civilian democracy?
>
> So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
> military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
> did that mean we were a communist dictatorship, too?
>
> Or do such things actually have nothing to do with the form of
> government involved?

Such things don't exist unless you have a cite proving they did.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <qamwK.401462$JVi.115798@fx17.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/2022 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> > In article <KslwK.431883$5fVf.173756@fx09.iad>,
>> > moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> >>> In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
>> >>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> >>>>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
>> >>>>>> democracy.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of government
>> >>>>> is operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...
>> >>>
>> >>> What did they tell you?
>> >>>
>> >>> "Yay, communism"?
>> >>
>> >> That the USSR was a civilian democracy?
>> >
>> > So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
>> > military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
>> > did that mean we were a communist dictatorship, too?
>> >
>> > Or do such things actually have nothing to do with the form of
>> > government involved?
>>
>> Who knows the actual form of government involved...especially recently.
>> However, you were speaking of "appearances"...
>
>Oh, my mistake. Hate to leave a nit unpicked:
>
>So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
>military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
>did that mean we looked like a communist dictatorship, too?

Hey anim!

You do the punch line.

On 7/3/2022 3:48 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 June 2022 at 16:13:35 UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
>> "Former President Donald Trump lunged for the steering wheel and grabbed his driver after being told that he would not be going to the Capitol with his supporters after his rally on Jan. 6. "
>>
>> NPR - June 28, 2022
>> -- https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108301900/witness-recalls-trump-lunging-for-the-wheel-when-told-he-couldnt-go-to-the-capit
>
> You haven't apologized for this slanderous lie yet. How about it?

More witnesses have come forth confirming it you fucking vegetable.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/kinzinger-says-witnesses-coming-forward-185354991.html

Kinzinger says new witnesses have been coming forward to the Jan. 6
committee since Cassidy Hutchinson's 'inspiring' testimony

STOP LYING YOU FUCK.

On 7/3/2022 4:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <qamwK.401462$JVi.115798@fx17.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/2022 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <KslwK.431883$5fVf.173756@fx09.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
>>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of government
>>>>>>> is operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...
>>>>>
>>>>> What did they tell you?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Yay, communism"?
>>>>
>>>> That the USSR was a civilian democracy?
>>>
>>> So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
>>> military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
>>> did that mean we were a communist dictatorship, too?
>>>
>>> Or do such things actually have nothing to do with the form of
>>> government involved?
>>
>> Who knows the actual form of government involved...especially recently.
>> However, you were speaking of "appearances"...
>
> Oh, my mistake. Hate to leave a nit unpicked:

No, not a "nit". It was exactly why I responded ...as it was the very
reason Trump riding in an armored tank would've been, um, undesirable.

> So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
> military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
> did that mean we looked like a communist dictatorship, too?

Depends on how precocious you were with your political bias...

In article <ZUowK.395317$J0r9.30333@fx11.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 7/3/2022 4:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <qamwK.401462$JVi.115798@fx17.iad>,
> > moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/3/2022 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <KslwK.431883$5fVf.173756@fx09.iad>,
> >>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>> In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
> >>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
> >>>>>>>> democracy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of
> >>>>>>> government is operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What did they tell you?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Yay, communism"?
> >>>>
> >>>> That the USSR was a civilian democracy?
> >>>
> >>> So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
> >>> military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
> >>> did that mean we were a communist dictatorship, too?
> >>>
> >>> Or do such things actually have nothing to do with the form of
> >>> government involved?
> >>
> >> Who knows the actual form of government involved...especially recently.
> >> However, you were speaking of "appearances"...
> >
> > Oh, my mistake. Hate to leave a nit unpicked:
>
> No, not a "nit". It was exactly why I responded ...as it was the very
> reason Trump riding in an armored tank would've been, um, undesirable.

He does ride in an armored tank. Every president does.

> > So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
> > military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
> > did that mean we looked like a communist dictatorship, too?
>
> Depends on how precocious you were with your political bias...

On 7/3/2022 9:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ZUowK.395317$J0r9.30333@fx11.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/2022 4:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <qamwK.401462$JVi.115798@fx17.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2022 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <KslwK.431883$5fVf.173756@fx09.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a civilian
>>>>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of
>>>>>>>>> government is operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right. It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us anything...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did they tell you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Yay, communism"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That the USSR was a civilian democracy?
>>>>>
>>>>> So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
>>>>> military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
>>>>> did that mean we were a communist dictatorship, too?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or do such things actually have nothing to do with the form of
>>>>> government involved?
>>>>
>>>> Who knows the actual form of government involved...especially recently.
>>>> However, you were speaking of "appearances"...
>>>
>>> Oh, my mistake. Hate to leave a nit unpicked:
>>
>> No, not a "nit". It was exactly why I responded ...as it was the very
>> reason Trump riding in an armored tank would've been, um, undesirable.
>
> He does ride in an armored tank. Every president does.

Sure, like when he took a tour of D.C. when he was nearly dead from
Covid and he was PHOTOGRAPHED on the passenger side of an SUV? But
please, more talking out of the bunghole, it's more entertaining.

On 7/3/2022 5:39 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 7/3/2022 4:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <qamwK.401462$JVi.115798@fx17.iad>,
>>   moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/3/2022 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <KslwK.431883$5fVf.173756@fx09.iad>,
>>>>    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/3/2022 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <XKiwK.341706$vAW9.274952@fx10.iad>,
>>>>>>     moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 6:08 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-06-30 at 11:20:54 MDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would it have been cheaper to armor up a Hummer?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That would impair the illusion that the United States is a
>>>>>>>>> civilian
>>>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How does the type of vehicle have any effect on what type of
>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>> is operative in the U.S. or any appearance thereof?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right.  It's not as though Stalin's mayday parades told us
>>>>>>> anything...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What did they tell you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Yay, communism"?
>>>>>
>>>>> That the USSR was a civilian democracy?
>>>>
>>>> So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July
>>>> parade of
>>>> military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President
>>>> Carter,
>>>> did that mean we were a communist dictatorship, too?
>>>>
>>>> Or do such things actually have nothing to do with the form of
>>>> government involved?
>>>
>>> Who knows the actual form of government involved...especially recently.
>>> However, you were speaking of "appearances"...
>>
>> Oh, my mistake. Hate to leave a nit unpicked:
>
> No, not a "nit".  It was exactly why I responded ...as it was the very
> reason Trump riding in an armored tank would've been, um, undesirable.
>
>
>> So when I was a kid and Fort Hood put on a similar 4th of July parade of
>> military vehicles, weaponry, and aircraft, attended by President Carter,
>> did that mean we looked like a communist dictatorship, too?
>
> Depends on how precocious you were with your political bias...

How come the word "Depends" always comes up when Trump's being discussed?

nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:54:08 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>>"We must believe the Jan6 hearings! (Unless they say something that
>>contradicts the narrative.)"
>>
>>And why would the agents need to cover their asses? Whether Trump did or
>>did not try and grab the wheel, they're not going to get into trouble
>>for it. The only thing that would put their asses in jeopardy would be
>>to lie before Congress, so if you believe they want to cover their
>>asses, you'd be more inclined to believe them than not.
>
>Do we believe them or not? Seems to me like Hutchinson may have been
>told an exaggerated version of the story but if the same basic story
>is coming from multiple people then it likely is the truth.

What about "hearsay" do you not understand?

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In article <t9r2g3$11gk2$1@solani.org>, suzee@imbris.com wrote:

>This is actually the big story, that T wanted to go to the Capitol,
>along with his armed posse. Whether he tried to actually grab the wheel
>and threatened his agents is not as important. But his throwing his
>lunch plate temper tantrum shows his temper when he gets news he doesn't
>want to hear.

Really, suzique? You've never been so angry that you threw something?

I bet you were rolled up in a fetal position after hearing about the things
Crooked Hillary threw at people!

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pwallace@moviepig.com wrote:
> On 7/3/2022 10:32 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:54:08 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <t9hsrp$s3ht$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2022 9:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 20:29:21 -0500, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 17:16:53 -0400, shawn
>>>>>>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 15:35:03 -0500, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a lie. It's not physically possible for the protectee in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> back of the Beast to grab the steering wheel.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I had that question myself but she is reporting what she heard Mr
>>>>>>>>>>> Onato say so it is possible that Trump did try to reach forward as
>>>>>>>>>>> though he were going for the steering wheel and that got retold as him
>>>>>>>>>>> actually reaching for and grabbing the steering wheel. Which wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>> be too surprising as people often enhance events when retelling what
>>>>>>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah, I missed this. The vehicle in question wasn't the beast but a SUV.
>>>>>>>>>> So he would have been easily able to reach the steering wheel if he so
>>>>>>>>>> wished.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So either way, the NPR story was a lie.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not a lie, just a bad assumption.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Journalists are not in the business of making assumptions. They're
>>>>>>> supposed to report verified facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/peteralexander/status/1541910389289635841?s=21
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starting to sound more and more like a lie every minute.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Or they're lying to cover their asses.
>>>>
>>>> "We must believe the Jan6 hearings! (Unless they say something that
>>>> contradicts the narrative.)"
>>>>
>>>> And why would the agents need to cover their asses? Whether Trump did or
>>>> did not try and grab the wheel, they're not going to get into trouble
>>>> for it. The only thing that would put their asses in jeopardy would be
>>>> to lie before Congress, so if you believe they want to cover their
>>>> asses, you'd be more inclined to believe them than not.
>>>
>>> Do we believe them or not? Seems to me like Hutchinson may have been
>>> told an exaggerated version of the story but if the same basic story
>>> is coming from multiple people then it likely is the truth.
>>
>> Agents are ready and willing to testify that she lied. Why haven't
>> they been called? Stupid youtube links deleted.

You seem to be under the assumption that this comittee is not a banana republic show trial.

>I'll bet they could even do it as a barbershop quartet...

Nonresponse noted. get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

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Someone's sockpuppet wrote:

> "President Trump lunged at a Secret Service agent, putting his hand on the
> man's throat after he was told he would not be taken to the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021,
> according to testimony by former White House aide Cassidy HutchinsoI

Just as I suspected, Cassidy is a liar.
The witness who she claims told her about the alleged incident said nothing about it for over a year.

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On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-4, Ubiquitous wrote:
> Someone's sockpuppet wrote:
>
> > "President Trump lunged at a Secret Service agent, putting his hand on the
> > man's throat after he was told he would not be taken to the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021,
> > according to testimony by former White House aide Cassidy HutchinsoI
>
> Just as I suspected, Cassidy is a liar.
> The witness who she claims told her about the alleged incident said nothing about it for over a year.

Why won't you say two years? Because Cassidy told THE TRUTH.