One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

Shut the hell up.

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> Sup.
hello FG

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > Sup.
> hello FG

Did you know Joan Crawford personally? No? Then go jack off to your nephew in a corner and STFU.

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 12:18:26 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > > Sup.
> > hello FG
> Did you know Joan Crawford personally? No? Then go jack off to your nephew in a corner and STFU.

Thread reported.

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.

Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 2:14:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>
> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".

Not interested.

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 8:35:56 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 2:14:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
> >
> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
> Not interested.

I don't expect you be.

🙂

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 8:58:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 8:35:56 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 2:14:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
> > >
> > > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
> > Not interested.
> I don't expect you be.

Just as I don't expect you to write an intelligible sentence.

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:24:11 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 8:58:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 8:35:56 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 2:14:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > > > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
> > > >
> > > > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
> > > Not interested.
> > I don't expect you be.
> Just as I don't expect

I do expect you to remain a shit slinging little monkey, though, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.

> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".

Todd Tietchen: “It took a while for literary culture to catch up with what Kerouac had accomplished”

https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished

****************I think that with this particular text Kerouac was subject to what John Ashbery has termed the “doubt element.” In his essay “The Invisible Avant-Garde,” Ashbery points out that experimental art is often initially rejected on conditioned impulse. When first encountering a painting by Basquiat or Haring, many instantly balk, “That’s not art!”—which really means “That’s not what I understand art to be!” In such instances, it takes time for our judgment or taxonomic criteria to catch up.

That’s the significance I think of Truman Capote’s oft-quoted dismissal of Kerouac: “that’s not writing, it’s typing.” Capote didn’t understand, or sympathize with, what Kerouac was after, and I think a similar sort of misapprehension is behind Kerouac’s complicated publication history. As time goes on, Kerouac’s reputation continues to grow**********************

********************** Kerouac’s experiments in narrative come animated by a sense of descriptive doubt that anticipates postmodern literature, in which authors (John Barth, Joan Didion, and Paul Auster among others) compose narratives while at the same time reflecting on what it means to engage in such an effort. Storytelling becomes not just storytelling but a sustained reflection on the stakes involved in storytelling********************************

A mighty fine read and I don't even quote the parts on Joan Crawford yet...!

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 2:14:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>>
>> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".

> Not interested.

I doubt Doc expected you to be...

Here's the scoop.....................

https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished

***************************************LOA: For a first-time reader, one of the major discoveries in Visions of Cody is “Joan Rawshanks in the Fog,” Kerouac’s hallucinatory account of watching a Joan Crawford movie being shot on location in San Francisco. It’s strong enough to work as a standalone vignette. What’s its function in the overall scheme of the book?

Transatlantic Review #9, 1962
Tietchen: I think the function of the Joan Rawshanks section, which was published as standalone vignette in Transatlantic Review 9 (1962), is related to the post-modern aspects of Visions of Cody. The point of departure for the section was Kerouac’s observation of Crawford filming a scene for Sudden Fear (1952), directed by David Miller, on location on Russian Hill.

Kerouac focused much of his attention on the work of film technicians who are highly adept at producing a foggy moonlit night where none in fact exists. He also asks us to consider the distinctions between the “real” Joan Crawford stalking around the set and Crawford the film icon and actress. Again, what seems to be at stake here is the issue of mimesis (and its limitations): to what degree can an aesthetic gesture capture/evoke the real/lived experience?

As an extended exercise in montage, Visions of Cody poses this question by juxtaposing Kerouac’s literary portrayals of Cassady, the transcripts of the tape recordings, and this meditation on Hollywood film production. In a sense, the text is engaged in a comparative exploration of media forms and how they produce meaning differently—and at what cost for the subjects being portrayed. Furthermore, as a textual collage it bears some similarity to modernist works such as William Carlos Williams’s Spring and All and Jean Toomer’s Cane. When you consider Cody’s mosaic qualities, along with the surrealist (or “hallucinatory”) vibe of sections such as “Joan Rawshanks,” it becomes clear that Kerouac was attempting to synthesize and advance some of the animating concerns of twentieth-century experimentation in art and literature. This is all to say that Kerouac was interested in expressive forms other than jazz. *******************************************

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > Sup.
> hello FG

Please find the nearest fire and extinguish it with your body.

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:35:58 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>
> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>
> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
> Todd Tietchen: “It took a while for literary culture to catch up with what Kerouac had accomplished”
>
> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished
>
> ****************I think that with this particular text Kerouac was subject to what John Ashbery has termed the “doubt element.” In his essay “The Invisible Avant-Garde,” Ashbery points out that experimental art is often initially rejected on conditioned impulse. When first encountering a painting by Basquiat or Haring, many instantly balk, “That’s not art!”—which really means “That’s not what I understand art to be!” In such instances, it takes time for our judgment or taxonomic criteria to catch up.
>
> That’s the significance I think of Truman Capote’s oft-quoted dismissal of Kerouac: “that’s not writing, it’s typing.” Capote didn’t understand, or sympathize with, what Kerouac was after, and I think a similar sort of misapprehension is behind Kerouac’s complicated publication history. As time goes on, Kerouac’s reputation continues to grow**********************
>
> ********************** Kerouac’s experiments in narrative come animated by a sense of descriptive doubt that anticipates postmodern literature, in which authors (John Barth, Joan Didion, and Paul Auster among others) compose narratives while at the same time reflecting on what it means to engage in such an effort. Storytelling becomes not just storytelling but a sustained reflection on the stakes involved in storytelling********************************
>
> A mighty fine read and I don't even quote the parts on Joan Crawford yet....!

Excellent read from start to finish.

Good find, Zod.

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:35:58 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>>
>> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>>
>> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
>> Todd Tietchen: “It took a while for literary culture to catch up with what Kerouac had accomplished”
>>
>> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished
>>
>> ****************I think that with this particular text Kerouac was subject to what John Ashbery has termed the “doubt element.” In his essay “The Invisible Avant-Garde,” Ashbery points out that experimental art is often initially rejected on conditioned impulse. When first encountering a painting by Basquiat or Haring, many instantly balk, “That’s not art!”—which really means “That’s not what I understand art to be!” In such instances, it takes time for our judgment or taxonomic criteria to catch up.
>>
>> That’s the significance I think of Truman Capote’s oft-quoted dismissal of Kerouac: “that’s not writing, it’s typing.” Capote didn’t understand, or sympathize with, what Kerouac was after, and I think a similar sort of misapprehension is behind Kerouac’s complicated publication history. As time goes on, Kerouac’s reputation continues to grow**********************
>>
>> ********************** Kerouac’s experiments in narrative come animated by a sense of descriptive doubt that anticipates postmodern literature, in which authors (John Barth, Joan Didion, and Paul Auster among others) compose narratives while at the same time reflecting on what it means to engage in such an effort. Storytelling becomes not just storytelling but a sustained reflection on the stakes involved in storytelling********************************
>>
>> A mighty fine read and I don't even quote the parts on Joan Crawford yet....!

> Excellent read from start to finish.

> Good find, Zod.

I suspect the Jack Kerouac piece on Joan Crawford may actually be online somewhere but as yet have not found it, marvelous commentary out there though....

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 2:27:51 AM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > > Sup.
> > hello FG
> Please find the nearest fire and extinguish it with your body.

Quiet, troll... ha ha.

General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:35:58 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>>>
>>> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>>>
>>> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
>>> Todd Tietchen: “It took a while for literary culture to catch up with what Kerouac had accomplished”
>>>
>>> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished
>>>
>>> ****************I think that with this particular text Kerouac was subject to what John Ashbery has termed the “doubt element.” In his essay “The Invisible Avant-Garde,” Ashbery points out that experimental art is often initially rejected on conditioned impulse. When first encountering a painting by Basquiat or Haring, many instantly balk, “That’s not art!”—which really means “That’s not what I understand art to be!” In such instances, it takes time for our judgment or taxonomic criteria to catch up.
>>>
>>> That’s the significance I think of Truman Capote’s oft-quoted dismissal of Kerouac: “that’s not writing, it’s typing.” Capote didn’t understand, or sympathize with, what Kerouac was after, and I think a similar sort of misapprehension is behind Kerouac’s complicated publication history. As time goes on, Kerouac’s reputation continues to grow**********************
>>>
>>> ********************** Kerouac’s experiments in narrative come animated by a sense of descriptive doubt that anticipates postmodern literature, in which authors (John Barth, Joan Didion, and Paul Auster among others) compose narratives while at the same time reflecting on what it means to engage in such an effort. Storytelling becomes not just storytelling but a sustained reflection on the stakes involved in storytelling********************************
>>>
>>> A mighty fine read and I don't even quote the parts on Joan Crawford yet....!

>> Excellent read from start to finish.

>> Good find, Zod.

> I suspect the Jack Kerouac piece on Joan Crawford may actually be online somewhere but as yet have not found it, marvelous commentary out there though....

I haven't seen it online yet but you could be correct.

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

She did seem a bit severe.

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

She did play the part well in films...

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 6:45:10 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> She did play the part well in films...

Really? Which Joan Crawford films have you seen? She certainly did not play an abusive parent in her most famous role as "Mildred Pierce."

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:04:07 AM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 2:14:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> >> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
> >>
> >> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
>
> > Not interested.
> I doubt Doc expected you to be...
>
> Here's the scoop.....................
>
>
> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished
>
> ***************************************LOA: For a first-time reader, one of the major discoveries in Visions of Cody is “Joan Rawshanks in the Fog,” Kerouac’s hallucinatory account of watching a Joan Crawford movie being shot on location in San Francisco. It’s strong enough to work as a standalone vignette. What’s its function in the overall scheme of the book?
>
>
> Transatlantic Review #9, 1962
> Tietchen: I think the function of the Joan Rawshanks section, which was published as standalone vignette in Transatlantic Review 9 (1962), is related to the post-modern aspects of Visions of Cody. The point of departure for the section was Kerouac’s observation of Crawford filming a scene for Sudden Fear (1952), directed by David Miller, on location on Russian Hill.
>
> Kerouac focused much of his attention on the work of film technicians who are highly adept at producing a foggy moonlit night where none in fact exists. He also asks us to consider the distinctions between the “real” Joan Crawford stalking around the set and Crawford the film icon and actress. Again, what seems to be at stake here is the issue of mimesis (and its limitations): to what degree can an aesthetic gesture capture/evoke the real/lived experience?
>
> As an extended exercise in montage, Visions of Cody poses this question by juxtaposing Kerouac’s literary portrayals of Cassady, the transcripts of the tape recordings, and this meditation on Hollywood film production. In a sense, the text is engaged in a comparative exploration of media forms and how they produce meaning differently—and at what cost for the subjects being portrayed. Furthermore, as a textual collage it bears some similarity to modernist works such as William Carlos Williams’s Spring and All and Jean Toomer’s Cane. When you consider Cody’s mosaic qualities, along with the surrealist (or “hallucinatory”) vibe of sections such as “Joan Rawshanks,” it becomes clear that Kerouac was attempting to synthesize and advance some of the animating concerns of twentieth-century experimentation in art and literature. This is all to say that Kerouac was interested in expressive forms other than jazz. *******************************************

Again, good find.

Family Guy wrote:

> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

> Shut the hell up.

A shame YOU can't do that, Dink... ha ha.

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 11:08:01 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 6:45:10 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > She did play the part well in films...
> Really? Which Joan Crawford films have you seen? She certainly did not play an abusive

She played abusive /characters/ in several films.

parent in her most famous role as "Mildred Pierce."

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 9:24:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 11:08:01 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 6:45:10 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > > She did play the part well in films...
> > Really? Which Joan Crawford films have you seen? She certainly did not play an abusive
> She played abusive /characters/ in several films.
> parent in her most famous role as "Mildred Pierce."
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 9:24:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 11:08:01 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 6:45:10 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > > She did play the part well in films...
> > Really? Which Joan Crawford films have you seen? She certainly did not play an abusive
> She played abusive /characters/ in several films.
> parent in her most famous role as "Mildred Pierce."

I've seen all of Joan Crawford's available films (several of her silents are either lost or rumored to be in private collections), and I cannot think of one in which she played an abusive parent.

Nor, for that matter, did she play abusive characters. The closest she came was in "Queen Bee," where her character attempted to control and manipulate the lives of others. She only played the villainess in two of her films: "Queen Bee" and "The Women." One could arguably include "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?" in that category, however, her character was victimized throughout the entire film and is only revealed to have been responsible for her sister's insanity in the final moments. Even in the schlocky horror films at the end of her career, her character usually turns out to be innocent.

Which Joan Crawford films (if any) have you actually watched?

Michael Pendragon
PJR: Do you ever read the posts to which you reply?
WILL DOCKERY: Okay, good point.

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 12:16:53 AM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> Family Guy wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>
> > Shut the hell up.
> A shame YOU can't do that, Dink... ha ha.

Dink's just a typical Usenet troll, best to just skip and ignore him.

🙂