In article <IYqcnds4t7bPC6X-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100
@gmail.com says...
>
> % wrote:
> > Alex Dink Cain AKA Family Guy wrote:
> >> I hope you die.
> >>
> > such an angry little virgin dwarf
>
> yes you are

poor chad, everyone hates him

Skeeter wrote:
> In article <IYqcnds4t7bPC6X-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100
> @gmail.com says...
>>
>> % wrote:
>>> Alex Dink Cain AKA Family Guy wrote:
>>>> I hope you die.
>>>>
>>> such an angry little virgin dwarf
>>
>> yes you are
>
>
> poor chad, everyone hates him
>
he's more comfortable that way

In article <5f820985-a89b-04d8-c5d0-d7cae621c060@gmail.com>, pursent100
@gmail.com says...
>
> Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <IYqcnds4t7bPC6X-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100
> > @gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> % wrote:
> >>> Alex Dink Cain AKA Family Guy wrote:
> >>>> I hope you die.
> >>>>
> >>> such an angry little virgin dwarf
> >>
> >> yes you are
> >
> >
> > poor chad, everyone hates him
> >
> he's more comfortable that way

i guess any kind of life is better then no life

Skeeter wrote:
> In article <IYqcnds4t7bPC6X-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100
> @gmail.com says...
>>
>> % wrote:
>>> Alex Dink Cain AKA Family Guy wrote:
>>>> I hope you die.
>>>>
>>> such an angry little virgin dwarf
>>
>> yes you are
>
>
> poor chad, everyone hates him
>
https://imgur.com/a/1yuju7n ROFL!

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:47:53 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Family Guy wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> >
> > > Shut the hell up.
> > Troll much, Dink?
> >
> >
> You do.
> I hope you die.

Your ongoing death fantasy is noted, Dink.

🙂

On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 20:44:09 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:47:53 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Family Guy wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> > >
> > > > Shut the hell up.
> > > Troll much, Dink?
> > >
> > >
> > You do.
> > I hope you die.
> Your ongoing death fantasy is noted, Dink.
>

Oh dear.... will, did he wish you a violet death?
Oh my goodness, bless your little heart...

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:53:01 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 20:44:09 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:47:53 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Family Guy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul....
> > > >
> > > > > Shut the hell up.
> > > > Troll much, Dink?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > You do.
> > > I hope you die.
> > Your ongoing death fantasy is noted, Dink.
> >
> Oh dear.... will, did he wish you a violet death?
> Oh my goodness, bless your little heart...

He didn't specify what kind of death fantasy he's having.

HTH and HAND.

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:46:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > See, Pendragon, that's why you should read the work before giving your critique.
> >
> > Jack Kerouac didn't "defame" Joan Crawford in the piece.
> >
> > Look it up.
> Here, pen can read the short story...
>
> "Joan Rawshanks stands alone in the fog and a thousand eyes are fixed..." --Jack keoruac
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=-qPmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT262&ots=CBp25rSX3z&dq=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&pg=PT262#v=onepage&q=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&f=false
>
> Enjoy...!

What part of "Any book that attempts to defame a woman ("Rawshanks") is garbage and not to be read" are you failing to understand?

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:46:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> > See, Pendragon, that's why you should read the work before giving your critique.
>> >
>> > Jack Kerouac didn't "defame" Joan Crawford in the piece.
>> >
>> > Look it up.
>> Here, pen can read the short story...
>>
>> "Joan Rawshanks stands alone in the fog and a thousand eyes are fixed..." --Jack keoruac
>>
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=-qPmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT262&ots=CBp25rSX3z&dq=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&pg=PT262#v=onepage&q=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&f=false
>>
>> Enjoy...!

> What part of "Any book that attempts to defame a woman ("Rawshanks") is garbage and not to be read" are you failing to understand?

Pendragon, you've never even read the book, or, in fact, any book by Jack Kerouac, so you're talking out of your monkey ass, as usual.

HTH and HAND.

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:55:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:46:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >
> >> > See, Pendragon, that's why you should read the work before giving your critique.
> >> >
> >> > Jack Kerouac didn't "defame" Joan Crawford in the piece.
> >> >
> >> > Look it up.
> >> Here, pen can read the short story...
> >>
> >> "Joan Rawshanks stands alone in the fog and a thousand eyes are fixed...." --Jack keoruac
> >>
> >> https://books.google.com/books?id=-qPmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT262&ots=CBp25rSX3z&dq=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&pg=PT262#v=onepage&q=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&f=false
> >>
> >> Enjoy...!
>
> > What part of "Any book that attempts to defame a woman ("Rawshanks") is garbage and not to be read" are you failing to understand?
> Pendragon, you've never even read the book, or, in fact, any book by Jack Kerouac, so you're talking out of your monkey ass, as usual.

Do you know what "Rawshanks" implies?

Yes or no.

If you do, then you know that the poem was a smear on Miss Crawford's reputation.

If you don't, you should have Dr. Schwimmer explain it to you.

Michael Pendragon
"My poem serves as my definition."
-- Will "Is so! Is so!" Dockery

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:55:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:46:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > See, Pendragon, that's why you should read the work before giving your critique.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jack Kerouac didn't "defame" Joan Crawford in the piece.
>> >> >
>> >> > Look it up.
>> >> Here, pen can read the short story...
>> >>
>> >> "Joan Rawshanks stands alone in the fog and a thousand eyes are fixed....." --Jack keoruac
>> >>
>> >> https://books.google.com/books?id=-qPmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT262&ots=CBp25rSX3z&dq=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&pg=PT262#v=onepage&q=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&f=false
>> >>
>> >> Enjoy...!
>>
>> > What part of "Any book that attempts to defame a woman ("Rawshanks") is garbage and not to be read" are you failing to understand?
>> Pendragon, you've never even read the book, or, in fact, any book by Jack Kerouac, so you're talking out of your monkey ass, as usual.

> Do you know what "Rawshanks"

Have you read the Jack Kerouac story yet?

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 8:26:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:55:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:46:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > See, Pendragon, that's why you should read the work before giving your critique.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jack Kerouac didn't "defame" Joan Crawford in the piece.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Look it up.
> >> >> Here, pen can read the short story...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Joan Rawshanks stands alone in the fog and a thousand eyes are fixed...." --Jack keoruac
> >> >>
> >> >> https://books.google.com/books?id=-qPmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT262&ots=CBp25rSX3z&dq=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&pg=PT262#v=onepage&q=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&f=false
> >> >>
> >> >> Enjoy...!
> >>
> >> > What part of "Any book that attempts to defame a woman ("Rawshanks") is garbage and not to be read" are you failing to understand?
> >> Pendragon, you've never even read the book, or, in fact, any book by Jack Kerouac, so you're talking out of your monkey ass, as usual.
>
> > Do you know what "Rawshanks"
> Have you read the Jack Kerouac story yet?

What part of "Any book that attempts to defame a woman ("Rawshanks") is garbage and not to be read" are you failing to understand?

Michael Pendragon
"I'd think so, but never underestimate the stupidity of a troll."
-- Will Dockery, a man who should never be underestimated.

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:46:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > See, Pendragon, that's why you should read the work before giving your critique.
> >
> > Jack Kerouac didn't "defame" Joan Crawford in the piece.
> >
> > Look it up.
> Here, pen can read the short story...
>
> "Joan Rawshanks stands alone in the fog and a thousand eyes are fixed..." --Jack keoruac
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=-qPmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT262&ots=CBp25rSX3z&dq=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&pg=PT262#v=onepage&q=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&f=false
>
> Enjoy...!

Pendragon, read the story by Jack Kerouac before you start talking out of your ass.

HTH and HAND.

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 8:41:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:46:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > See, Pendragon, that's why you should read the work before giving your critique.
> > >
> > > Jack Kerouac didn't "defame" Joan Crawford in the piece.
> > >
> > > Look it up.
> > Here, pen can read the short story...
> >
> > "Joan Rawshanks stands alone in the fog and a thousand eyes are fixed...." --Jack keoruac
> >
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=-qPmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT262&ots=CBp25rSX3z&dq=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&pg=PT262#v=onepage&q=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&f=false
> >
> > Enjoy...!
> Pendragon, read the story by Jack Kerouac before you start talking out of your ass.

If I wrote a book about Loretta Cum Slut, would you be correct in assuming that the book was defamatory?

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>> > Sup.
>> hello FG

> Did you know Joan Crawford personally?

Do you?

No?

Then your speculation is as valid as any of ours, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 11:55:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> >> > Sup.
> >> hello FG
>
> > Did you know Joan Crawford personally?
>
> Do you?
>
> No?
>
> Then your speculation is as valid as any of ours, Pendragon.

I've read her autobiography, and watched numerous documentaries on her.

But even if I hadn't, I can still recognize "Rawshanks" for the slur that it was intended to be.

If you can't, you're even more stupid than I thought.

Have you read Jack Kerouac's "Joan Rawshanks in the Fog" yet, Pendragon?

If not, you're in no position to judge it.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41513980

HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 12:25:19 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Have you read Jack Kerouac's "Joan Rawshanks in the Fog" yet, Pendragon?
>
> If not, you're in no position to judge it.
>
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/41513980
>
> HTH and HAND.

Have you read "Kathy Cumslut at the Taco Stand"?

In light of the above title, do you think a roman à clef about your late wife would be inoffensive to you?

Do you know what "Rawshanks" implies?

It's the same thing, Dumbass.

Michael Pendragon
“In 1976-77 I was on the school newspaper and literary magazine staffs, so, not bragging, but I have paid my dues in this poetry game.”
-- Will Dockery, reminiscing on the apex of his poetic career

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 8:41:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:46:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > >
>> > > See, Pendragon, that's why you should read the work before giving your critique.
>> > >
>> > > Jack Kerouac didn't "defame" Joan Crawford in the piece.
>> > >
>> > > Look it up.
>> > Here, pen can read the short story...
>> >
>> > "Joan Rawshanks stands alone in the fog and a thousand eyes are fixed....." --Jack keoruac
>> >
>> > https://books.google.com/books?id=-qPmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT262&ots=CBp25rSX3z&dq=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&pg=PT262#v=onepage&q=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&f=false
>> >
>> > Enjoy...!
>> Pendragon, read the story by Jack Kerouac before you start talking out of your ass.

> If I wrote

You're not even close to the poet Jack Kerouac was.

Or T.S. Eliot.

HTH and HAND, Pendragon, you delusional little shit slinging monkey.

🙂

On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 9:05:19 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 8:41:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:46:06 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > See, Pendragon, that's why you should read the work before giving your critique.
> >> > >
> >> > > Jack Kerouac didn't "defame" Joan Crawford in the piece.
> >> > >
> >> > > Look it up.
> >> > Here, pen can read the short story...
> >> >
> >> > "Joan Rawshanks stands alone in the fog and a thousand eyes are fixed...." --Jack keoruac
> >> >
> >> > https://books.google.com/books?id=-qPmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT262&ots=CBp25rSX3z&dq=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&pg=PT262#v=onepage&q=%22Joan%20Rawshanks%20stands%20alone%20in%20the%20fog%20and%20a%20thousand%20eyes%20are%20fixed%22&f=false
> >> >
> >> > Enjoy...!
> >> Pendragon, read the story by Jack Kerouac before you start talking out of your ass.
>
> > If I wrote
> You're not even close to the poet Jack Kerouac was.

Had Kerouac and I been hanging out together, and he mentioned his "Joan Rawshanks" poem, I'd have punched him in the face.

As to your troll-bait, I've no intention of placing myself in a contest with either writer. I would not care to have my poetry associated with an illiterate scumbag like Kerouac in any way, shape or form.

As to Eliot, he was (IMHO) the individual most responsible for making poetry the property of the Academicians; inadvertently killing off the medium in the process. I shouldn't care to have my verses associated with his, either.

I'm sure you understand... after all, it's similar to how many of the poets here don't want their poetry associated with yours.

Michael Pendragon
"Kids will play around with other kids, having been one, I know that, but consent laws are indeed in place to keep adult predators from legally seducing children."
-- Will Dockery, on playing with children

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 5:11:34 PM UTC-4, % wrote:
> Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <IYqcnds4t7bPC6X-...@giganews.com>, pursent100
> > @gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> % wrote:
> >>> Alex Dink Cain AKA Family Guy wrote:
> >>>> I hope you die.
> >>>>
> >>> such an angry little virgin dwarf
> >>
> >> yes you are
> >
> >
> > poor chad, everyone hates him
> >
> https://imgur.com/a/1yuju7n ROFL!

Who are these guys?

Chad and Greg?

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 5:05:06 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:35:58 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> Will Dockery wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> >>
> >> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
> >>
> >> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
> >> Todd Tietchen: “It took a while for literary culture to catch up with what Kerouac had accomplished”
> >>
> >> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished
> >>
> >> ****************I think that with this particular text Kerouac was subject to what John Ashbery has termed the “doubt element.” In his essay “The Invisible Avant-Garde,” Ashbery points out that experimental art is often initially rejected on conditioned impulse. When first encountering a painting by Basquiat or Haring, many instantly balk, “That’s not art!”—which really means “That’s not what I understand art to be!” In such instances, it takes time for our judgment or taxonomic criteria to catch up.
> >>
> >> That’s the significance I think of Truman Capote’s oft-quoted dismissal of Kerouac: “that’s not writing, it’s typing.” Capote didn’t understand, or sympathize with, what Kerouac was after, and I think a similar sort of misapprehension is behind Kerouac’s complicated publication history. As time goes on, Kerouac’s reputation continues to grow**********************
> >>
> >> ********************** Kerouac’s experiments in narrative come animated by a sense of descriptive doubt that anticipates postmodern literature, in which authors (John Barth, Joan Didion, and Paul Auster among others) compose narratives while at the same time reflecting on what it means to engage in such an effort. Storytelling becomes not just storytelling but a sustained reflection on the stakes involved in storytelling********************************
> >>
> >> A mighty fine read and I don't even quote the parts on Joan Crawford yet....!
> > Excellent read from start to finish.
>
> > Good find, Zod.
> I suspect the Jack Kerouac piece on Joan Crawford may actually be online somewhere but as yet have not found it, marvelous commentary out there though....

At least excerpts are available.

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 5:05:06 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:35:58 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> >> Will Dockery wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>> >>
>> >> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>> >>
>> >> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
>> >> Todd Tietchen: “It took a while for literary culture to catch up with what Kerouac had accomplished”
>> >>
>> >> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished
>> >>
>> >> ****************I think that with this particular text Kerouac was subject to what John Ashbery has termed the “doubt element.” In his essay “The Invisible Avant-Garde,” Ashbery points out that experimental art is often initially rejected on conditioned impulse. When first encountering a painting by Basquiat or Haring, many instantly balk, “That’s not art!”—which really means “That’s not what I understand art to be!” In such instances, it takes time for our judgment or taxonomic criteria to catch up.
>> >>
>> >> That’s the significance I think of Truman Capote’s oft-quoted dismissal of Kerouac: “that’s not writing, it’s typing.” Capote didn’t understand, or sympathize with, what Kerouac was after, and I think a similar sort of misapprehension is behind Kerouac’s complicated publication history. As time goes on, Kerouac’s reputation continues to grow**********************
>> >>
>> >> ********************** Kerouac’s experiments in narrative come animated by a sense of descriptive doubt that anticipates postmodern literature, in which authors (John Barth, Joan Didion, and Paul Auster among others) compose narratives while at the same time reflecting on what it means to engage in such an effort. Storytelling becomes not just storytelling but a sustained reflection on the stakes involved in storytelling********************************
>> >>
>> >> A mighty fine read and I don't even quote the parts on Joan Crawford yet....!
>> > Excellent read from start to finish.
>>
>> > Good find, Zod.
>> I suspect the Jack Kerouac piece on Joan Crawford may actually be online somewhere but as yet have not found it, marvelous commentary out there though....

> At least excerpts are available.

yes, pen has no excuse for not reading some J.K.

On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 10:10:19 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 5:05:06 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> Will Dockery wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:35:58 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> >> Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail..com wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul....
> >> >>
> >> >> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
> >> >> Todd Tietchen: “It took a while for literary culture to catch up with what Kerouac had accomplished”
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished
> >> >>
> >> >> ****************I think that with this particular text Kerouac was subject to what John Ashbery has termed the “doubt element.” In his essay “The Invisible Avant-Garde,” Ashbery points out that experimental art is often initially rejected on conditioned impulse. When first encountering a painting by Basquiat or Haring, many instantly balk, “That’s not art!”—which really means “That’s not what I understand art to be!” In such instances, it takes time for our judgment or taxonomic criteria to catch up.
> >> >>
> >> >> That’s the significance I think of Truman Capote’s oft-quoted dismissal of Kerouac: “that’s not writing, it’s typing.” Capote didn’t understand, or sympathize with, what Kerouac was after, and I think a similar sort of misapprehension is behind Kerouac’s complicated publication history. As time goes on, Kerouac’s reputation continues to grow**********************
> >> >>
> >> >> ********************** Kerouac’s experiments in narrative come animated by a sense of descriptive doubt that anticipates postmodern literature, in which authors (John Barth, Joan Didion, and Paul Auster among others) compose narratives while at the same time reflecting on what it means to engage in such an effort. Storytelling becomes not just storytelling but a sustained reflection on the stakes involved in storytelling********************************
> >> >>
> >> >> A mighty fine read and I don't even quote the parts on Joan Crawford yet....!
> >> > Excellent read from start to finish.
> >>
> >> > Good find, Zod.
> >> I suspect the Jack Kerouac piece on Joan Crawford may actually be online somewhere but as yet have not found it, marvelous commentary out there though....
>
> > At least excerpts are available.
> yes, pen has no excuse for not reading some J.K.

Would you read a book about "Loretta Cumdump"?

Or would that be considered a step up for her?

-- Michael Pendragon

Die Stink, die.
Stop stinking up the place
Cover your ugly face
With sod so foul that only brambles dare
Take root atop its filth. Your grizzled hair
Long home to ticks and fleas
Shall be the straw where graveworms make their bed;
The earth repels you like some rank disease
The sun shines brighter knowing that you're dead
And songbird choirs echo "Die Stink, die."

General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 5:05:06 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:35:58 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>> >> Will Dockery wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>>> >>
>>> >> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
>>> >> Todd Tietchen: “It took a while for literary culture to catch up with what Kerouac had accomplished”
>>> >>
>>> >> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished
>>> >>
>>> >> ****************I think that with this particular text Kerouac was subject to what John Ashbery has termed the “doubt element.” In his essay “The Invisible Avant-Garde,” Ashbery points out that experimental art is often initially rejected on conditioned impulse. When first encountering a painting by Basquiat or Haring, many instantly balk, “That’s not art!”—which really means “That’s not what I understand art to be!” In such instances, it takes time for our judgment or taxonomic criteria to catch up.
>>> >>
>>> >> That’s the significance I think of Truman Capote’s oft-quoted dismissal of Kerouac: “that’s not writing, it’s typing.” Capote didn’t understand, or sympathize with, what Kerouac was after, and I think a similar sort of misapprehension is behind Kerouac’s complicated publication history. As time goes on, Kerouac’s reputation continues to grow**********************
>>> >>
>>> >> ********************** Kerouac’s experiments in narrative come animated by a sense of descriptive doubt that anticipates postmodern literature, in which authors (John Barth, Joan Didion, and Paul Auster among others) compose narratives while at the same time reflecting on what it means to engage in such an effort. Storytelling becomes not just storytelling but a sustained reflection on the stakes involved in storytelling********************************
>>> >>
>>> >> A mighty fine read and I don't even quote the parts on Joan Crawford yet....!
>>> > Excellent read from start to finish.
>>>
>>> > Good find, Zod.
>>> I suspect the Jack Kerouac piece on Joan Crawford may actually be online somewhere but as yet have not found it, marvelous commentary out there though....

>> At least excerpts are available.

> yes, Pen has no excuse for not reading some J.K.

Pendragon remains an ignorant shit eating little monkey.

And so it goes.