On Apr 6, 2023 at 7:21:50 PM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:25:07 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> )a few weels agp I told the story of a Canadian teacher who following
>>> Sputnik I was invited to take part in a US military program which
>>> involved giving scholarships to high school teachers in STEM -
>>> science, technology, engineering and mathematics - teachers and
>>> college instructors wanting to upgrade their credentials which is how
>>> the USAF paid for a pacifistic devout Christian to get his master's
>>> degree - this is the same man)
>>
>> Re "e^(i * pi) + 1 = 0", my grasp of math is just enough to make me
>> wonder wtf 'pi', a simple geometric ratio, has to do with such things...
>>
> Then unlike me, you didn't do calculus at the second year level since
> the sort of thing that equation is tied into is central to the
> mathematics of electrical engineering.
>
> On the other hand it's not at all a racial justice thing as some might
> imply.
>
> I do know one math teacher nearly got in serious trouble for teaching
> his 11th grade class the mnemonic for Pi to a group of high school
> juniors "Sir, I need a drink alcoholic of course!" which if you count
> the letters in each work goes 3,1415926 - there's a longer version
> giving it to some 100 places but I couldn't memorize the verse while I
> COULD memorize that phrase.

The most accurate calculation of pi to date was made by Swiss researchers on
19 August 2021 using a super-computer. The team calculated pi out to 62.8
trillion digits (62,831,853,071,796 to be exact).

I'm sure they could have gone farther but they stopped when they suddenly
realized the computer was being racist by performing accurate calculations
using white-centered algorithms.

In article <1vacnVyV0IsGHrL5nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>, BTR1701
<atropos@mac.com> wrote:

> On Apr 6, 2023 at 7:21:50 PM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:25:07 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> )a few weels agp I told the story of a Canadian teacher who following
> >>> Sputnik I was invited to take part in a US military program which
> >>> involved giving scholarships to high school teachers in STEM -
> >>> science, technology, engineering and mathematics - teachers and
> >>> college instructors wanting to upgrade their credentials which is how
> >>> the USAF paid for a pacifistic devout Christian to get his master's
> >>> degree - this is the same man)
> >>
> >> Re "e^(i * pi) + 1 = 0", my grasp of math is just enough to make me
> >> wonder wtf 'pi', a simple geometric ratio, has to do with such things...
> >>
> > Then unlike me, you didn't do calculus at the second year level since
> > the sort of thing that equation is tied into is central to the
> > mathematics of electrical engineering.
> >
> > On the other hand it's not at all a racial justice thing as some might
> > imply.
> >
> > I do know one math teacher nearly got in serious trouble for teaching
> > his 11th grade class the mnemonic for Pi to a group of high school
> > juniors "Sir, I need a drink alcoholic of course!" which if you count
> > the letters in each work goes 3,1415926 - there's a longer version
> > giving it to some 100 places but I couldn't memorize the verse while I
> > COULD memorize that phrase.
>
> The most accurate calculation of pi to date was made by Swiss researchers on
> 19 August 2021 using a super-computer. The team calculated pi out to 62.8
> trillion digits (62,831,853,071,796 to be exact).

I remember a short sf story in which researchers got billions of digits
into pi and discovered that the digits formed messages and pictures.

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:29:25 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:

>On 4/4/2023 5:37 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 4/3/23 4:17 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/3/2023 3:32 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:11:18 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The merits you'd have to address, afaics, concern whether "2 + 2 = 4"
>>>>> has, in fact, devolved from a popular pedagogical chant into a widely
>>>>> recognized anti-black slogan.
>>>>>
>>>> Assuming 2 + 2 = 4 is somehow racist would 3 + 3 = 6 be less so?
>>>>
>>>> My serious answer as a former math teacher is that I can definitely
>>>> see how a political tinge can be put on math "word problems" in subtle
>>>> or not so subtle ways but pi will always equal 3.1415926...... in any

>>>> culture you care to name and it isn't racist or imperialist to exclude
>>>> "pi = 4" from the list of correct answers.
>>>>
>>>> And this is nowhere more so than in engineering calculations when you
>>>> had BETTER get your design right since if your math is out the
>>>> building you're building won't be safe and real people could be
>>>> injured or killed and that doesn't depend on the ethnicity of the
>>>> architect or structural engineer.
>>>>
>>>> 2 + 2 = 5 only comes up in Nineteen Eighty-Four in the interrogation
>>>> of Winston Smith by O'Brien and that's a fable of how things can go
>>>> badly badly wrong.
>>>
>>> I could be wrong, but I don't think the accuracy of "2 + 2 = 4" is at
>>> issue here.  Rather, it's some whites' use of that particular
>>> kindergarten equation to symbolize the "plain common sense" that
>>> blacks' supposedly long to overturn in furtherance of dumbing-down
>>> America.
>>
>>
>> That's it in a nutshell I generally summarize this as "horseshit."
>
>Well, in this instance, I actually appreciate the confirmation. I can't
>always tell when I'm being trolled.
>
>
The only way I can conceive of 2 + 2 = 4 being offensive if it's being
used as a put-down with the unspoken text of "every dummy knows THAT"
but I've never heard of it being used that way.

However the world is a big place and I haven't been in the Deep South
in 20 years so who knows what people are doing to each other these
days.

On 4/6/23 9:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 6, 2023 at 7:21:50 PM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:25:07 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> )a few weels agp I told the story of a Canadian teacher who following
>>>> Sputnik I was invited to take part in a US military program which
>>>> involved giving scholarships to high school teachers in STEM -
>>>> science, technology, engineering and mathematics - teachers and
>>>> college instructors wanting to upgrade their credentials which is how
>>>> the USAF paid for a pacifistic devout Christian to get his master's
>>>> degree - this is the same man)
>>>
>>> Re "e^(i * pi) + 1 = 0", my grasp of math is just enough to make me
>>> wonder wtf 'pi', a simple geometric ratio, has to do with such things...
>>>
>> Then unlike me, you didn't do calculus at the second year level since
>> the sort of thing that equation is tied into is central to the
>> mathematics of electrical engineering.
>>
>> On the other hand it's not at all a racial justice thing as some might
>> imply.
>>
>> I do know one math teacher nearly got in serious trouble for teaching
>> his 11th grade class the mnemonic for Pi to a group of high school
>> juniors "Sir, I need a drink alcoholic of course!" which if you count
>> the letters in each work goes 3,1415926 - there's a longer version
>> giving it to some 100 places but I couldn't memorize the verse while I
>> COULD memorize that phrase.
>
> The most accurate calculation of pi to date was made by Swiss researchers on
> 19 August 2021 using a super-computer. The team calculated pi out to 62.8
> trillion digits (62,831,853,071,796 to be exact).
>
> I'm sure they could have gone farther but they stopped when they suddenly
> realized the computer was being racist by performing accurate calculations
> using white-centered algorithms.

Love the Oath Keeper humor! About as funny as a decaying corpse.

On 4/6/23 10:14 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <1vacnVyV0IsGHrL5nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>, BTR1701
> <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 6, 2023 at 7:21:50 PM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:25:07 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> )a few weels agp I told the story of a Canadian teacher who following
>>>>> Sputnik I was invited to take part in a US military program which
>>>>> involved giving scholarships to high school teachers in STEM -
>>>>> science, technology, engineering and mathematics - teachers and
>>>>> college instructors wanting to upgrade their credentials which is how
>>>>> the USAF paid for a pacifistic devout Christian to get his master's
>>>>> degree - this is the same man)
>>>>
>>>> Re "e^(i * pi) + 1 = 0", my grasp of math is just enough to make me
>>>> wonder wtf 'pi', a simple geometric ratio, has to do with such things...
>>>>
>>> Then unlike me, you didn't do calculus at the second year level since
>>> the sort of thing that equation is tied into is central to the
>>> mathematics of electrical engineering.
>>>
>>> On the other hand it's not at all a racial justice thing as some might
>>> imply.
>>>
>>> I do know one math teacher nearly got in serious trouble for teaching
>>> his 11th grade class the mnemonic for Pi to a group of high school
>>> juniors "Sir, I need a drink alcoholic of course!" which if you count
>>> the letters in each work goes 3,1415926 - there's a longer version
>>> giving it to some 100 places but I couldn't memorize the verse while I
>>> COULD memorize that phrase.
>>
>> The most accurate calculation of pi to date was made by Swiss researchers on
>> 19 August 2021 using a super-computer. The team calculated pi out to 62.8
>> trillion digits (62,831,853,071,796 to be exact).
>
>
> I remember a short sf story in which researchers got billions of digits
> into pi and discovered that the digits formed messages and pictures.

Any idea what the "Swiss researchers" were researching? Some learned
treatise on mental masturbation maybe?

On 4/7/2023 1:28 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:29:25 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/4/2023 5:37 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/3/23 4:17 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/3/2023 3:32 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:11:18 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The merits you'd have to address, afaics, concern whether "2 + 2 = 4"
>>>>>> has, in fact, devolved from a popular pedagogical chant into a widely
>>>>>> recognized anti-black slogan.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming 2 + 2 = 4 is somehow racist would 3 + 3 = 6 be less so?
>>>>>
>>>>> My serious answer as a former math teacher is that I can definitely
>>>>> see how a political tinge can be put on math "word problems" in subtle
>>>>> or not so subtle ways but pi will always equal 3.1415926...... in any
>
>
>>>>> culture you care to name and it isn't racist or imperialist to exclude
>>>>> "pi = 4" from the list of correct answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> And this is nowhere more so than in engineering calculations when you
>>>>> had BETTER get your design right since if your math is out the
>>>>> building you're building won't be safe and real people could be
>>>>> injured or killed and that doesn't depend on the ethnicity of the
>>>>> architect or structural engineer.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 + 2 = 5 only comes up in Nineteen Eighty-Four in the interrogation
>>>>> of Winston Smith by O'Brien and that's a fable of how things can go
>>>>> badly badly wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I could be wrong, but I don't think the accuracy of "2 + 2 = 4" is at
>>>> issue here.  Rather, it's some whites' use of that particular
>>>> kindergarten equation to symbolize the "plain common sense" that
>>>> blacks' supposedly long to overturn in furtherance of dumbing-down
>>>> America.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's it in a nutshell I generally summarize this as "horseshit."
>>
>> Well, in this instance, I actually appreciate the confirmation. I can't
>> always tell when I'm being trolled.
>>
>>
> The only way I can conceive of 2 + 2 = 4 being offensive if it's being
> used as a put-down with the unspoken text of "every dummy knows THAT"
> but I've never heard of it being used that way.
>
> However the world is a big place and I haven't been in the Deep South
> in 20 years so who knows what people are doing to each other these
> days.

I *think* it's alleged to be, "Every dummy knows THAT fact, despite
blacks' transparent attempts to reduce it to mere cultural opinion."

On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 02:44:43 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>The most accurate calculation of pi to date was made by Swiss researchers on
>19 August 2021 using a super-computer. The team calculated pi out to 62.8
>trillion digits (62,831,853,071,796 to be exact).
>
>I'm sure they could have gone farther but they stopped when they suddenly
>realized the computer was being racist by performing accurate calculations
>using white-centered algorithms.
>
Heh heh heh

What I've heard is that such calculations are preferred as a way of
testing a compiler's capacity to handle floating point calculations.

And if it happens to get the compiler authors some extra positive
publicity that's icing on the cake

On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 22:28:31 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:29:25 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 4/4/2023 5:37 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/3/23 4:17 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/3/2023 3:32 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:11:18 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The merits you'd have to address, afaics, concern whether "2 + 2 = 4"
>>>>>> has, in fact, devolved from a popular pedagogical chant into a widely
>>>>>> recognized anti-black slogan.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming 2 + 2 = 4 is somehow racist would 3 + 3 = 6 be less so?
>>>>>
>>>>> My serious answer as a former math teacher is that I can definitely
>>>>> see how a political tinge can be put on math "word problems" in subtle
>>>>> or not so subtle ways but pi will always equal 3.1415926...... in any
>
>
>>>>> culture you care to name and it isn't racist or imperialist to exclude
>>>>> "pi = 4" from the list of correct answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> And this is nowhere more so than in engineering calculations when you
>>>>> had BETTER get your design right since if your math is out the
>>>>> building you're building won't be safe and real people could be
>>>>> injured or killed and that doesn't depend on the ethnicity of the
>>>>> architect or structural engineer.
>>>>>

From the Dailymail

"The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally
false,' reads the manual. 'Upholding the idea that there are always
right and wrong answers perpetuates "objectivity."

I don't understand this at all. To function in a modern society a
person has to be able to do accurate calculations in order to do basic
things like balancing a checkbook or putting together a household
budget. A checkbook is balanced or isn't. Basic life skills, like we
should be teaching in school require the ability to accurately perform
mathematical calculations.

>>>>> 2 + 2 = 5 only comes up in Nineteen Eighty-Four in the interrogation
>>>>> of Winston Smith by O'Brien and that's a fable of how things can go
>>>>> badly badly wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I could be wrong, but I don't think the accuracy of "2 + 2 = 4" is at
>>>> issue here.  Rather, it's some whites' use of that particular
>>>> kindergarten equation to symbolize the "plain common sense" that
>>>> blacks' supposedly long to overturn in furtherance of dumbing-down
>>>> America.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's it in a nutshell I generally summarize this as "horseshit."
>>
>>Well, in this instance, I actually appreciate the confirmation. I can't
>>always tell when I'm being trolled.
>>
>>
>The only way I can conceive of 2 + 2 = 4 being offensive if it's being
>used as a put-down with the unspoken text of "every dummy knows THAT"
>but I've never heard of it being used that way.
>
>However the world is a big place and I haven't been in the Deep South
>in 20 years so who knows what people are doing to each other these
>days.

In article <r5f83ippdcak8f7q1nivbtv501t9ucjse0@4ax.com>,
TomBenton@agent.com wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 22:28:31 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:29:25 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On 4/4/2023 5:37 AM, trotsky wrote:
> >>> On 4/3/23 4:17 PM, moviePig wrote:
> >>>> On 4/3/2023 3:32 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:11:18 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The merits you'd have to address, afaics, concern whether "2 + 2 = 4"
> >>>>>> has, in fact, devolved from a popular pedagogical chant into a widely
> >>>>>> recognized anti-black slogan.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Assuming 2 + 2 = 4 is somehow racist would 3 + 3 = 6 be less so?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My serious answer as a former math teacher is that I can definitely
> >>>>> see how a political tinge can be put on math "word problems" in subtle
> >>>>> or not so subtle ways but pi will always equal 3.1415926...... in any
> >
> >
> >>>>> culture you care to name and it isn't racist or imperialist to exclude
> >>>>> "pi = 4" from the list of correct answers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And this is nowhere more so than in engineering calculations when you
> >>>>> had BETTER get your design right since if your math is out the
> >>>>> building you're building won't be safe and real people could be
> >>>>> injured or killed and that doesn't depend on the ethnicity of the
> >>>>> architect or structural engineer.

> From the Dailymail

> "The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally
> false,' reads the manual. 'Upholding the idea that there are always
> right and wrong answers perpetuates "objectivity."
>
> I don't understand this at all. To function in a modern society a
> person has to be able to do accurate calculations in order to do basic
> things like balancing a checkbook or putting together a household
> budget. A checkbook is balanced or isn't.

Nope. We have to look to how oppressed you are to determine if your
checkbook is balanced or not. The more oppression points you have, the
wider the margin of error you're allowed in your calculations.

On 4/10/2023 1:53 PM, TomBenton@agent.com wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 22:28:31 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:29:25 -0400, moviePig
>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/4/2023 5:37 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 4/3/23 4:17 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 4/3/2023 3:32 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:11:18 -0400, moviePig
>>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The merits you'd have to address, afaics, concern whether
>>>>>>> "2 + 2 = 4" has, in fact, devolved from a popular
>>>>>>> pedagogical chant into a widely recognized anti-black
>>>>>>> slogan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assuming 2 + 2 = 4 is somehow racist would 3 + 3 = 6 be
>>>>>> less so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My serious answer as a former math teacher is that I can
>>>>>> definitely see how a political tinge can be put on math
>>>>>> "word problems" in subtle or not so subtle ways but pi will
>>>>>> always equal 3.1415926...... in any
>>
>>
>>>>>> culture you care to name and it isn't racist or imperialist
>>>>>> to exclude "pi = 4" from the list of correct answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this is nowhere more so than in engineering
>>>>>> calculations when you had BETTER get your design right
>>>>>> since if your math is out the building you're building
>>>>>> won't be safe and real people could be injured or killed
>>>>>> and that doesn't depend on the ethnicity of the architect
>>>>>> or structural engineer.
>>>>>>
>
> From the Dailymail
>
>
> "The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally
> false,' reads the manual. 'Upholding the idea that there are always
> right and wrong answers perpetuates "objectivity."
>
> I don't understand this at all. To function in a modern society a
> person has to be able to do accurate calculations in order to do
> basic things like balancing a checkbook or putting together a
> household budget. A checkbook is balanced or isn't. Basic life
> skills, like we should be teaching in school require the ability to
> accurately perform mathematical calculations. ...

Three guests check into a hotel room. The manager says the bill is
$30, so each guest pays $10. Later the manager realizes the bill should
only have been $25. To rectify this, he gives the bellhop $5 as five
one-dollar bills to return to the guests.

On the way to the guests' room to refund the money, the bellhop
realizes that he cannot equally divide the five one-dollar bills among
the three guests. As the guests are not aware of the total of the
revised bill, the bellhop decides to just give each guest $1 back and
keep $2 as a tip for himself, and proceeds to do so.

As each guest got $1 back, each guest only paid $9, bringing the
total paid to $27. The bellhop kept $2, which when added to the $27,
comes to $29. So if the guests originally handed over $30, what happened
to the remaining $1?

( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_dollar_riddle )

> TomB...@agent.com
>
> From the Dailymail
>
> "The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally
> false,' reads the manual. 'Upholding the idea that there are always
> right and wrong answers perpetuates "objectivity."
>
> I don't understand this at all.

That's because you're probably a racist or a homophobe or... something.
Regardless, you should apologize!

On 4/10/23 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <r5f83ippdcak8f7q1nivbtv501t9ucjse0@4ax.com>,
> TomBenton@agent.com wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 22:28:31 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 11:29:25 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/4/2023 5:37 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/3/23 4:17 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2023 3:32 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:11:18 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The merits you'd have to address, afaics, concern whether "2 + 2 = 4"
>>>>>>>> has, in fact, devolved from a popular pedagogical chant into a widely
>>>>>>>> recognized anti-black slogan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assuming 2 + 2 = 4 is somehow racist would 3 + 3 = 6 be less so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My serious answer as a former math teacher is that I can definitely
>>>>>>> see how a political tinge can be put on math "word problems" in subtle
>>>>>>> or not so subtle ways but pi will always equal 3.1415926...... in any
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> culture you care to name and it isn't racist or imperialist to exclude
>>>>>>> "pi = 4" from the list of correct answers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And this is nowhere more so than in engineering calculations when you
>>>>>>> had BETTER get your design right since if your math is out the
>>>>>>> building you're building won't be safe and real people could be
>>>>>>> injured or killed and that doesn't depend on the ethnicity of the
>>>>>>> architect or structural engineer.
>
>> From the Dailymail
>
>> "The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally
>> false,' reads the manual. 'Upholding the idea that there are always
>> right and wrong answers perpetuates "objectivity."
>>
>> I don't understand this at all. To function in a modern society a
>> person has to be able to do accurate calculations in order to do basic
>> things like balancing a checkbook or putting together a household
>> budget. A checkbook is balanced or isn't.
>
> Nope. We have to look to how oppressed you are to determine if your
> checkbook is balanced or not. The more oppression points you have, the
> wider the margin of error you're allowed in your calculations.

Well Oath Keeper'd and shitposted.

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 13:53:09 -0400, TomBenton@agent.com wrote:

>"The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally
>false,' reads the manual. 'Upholding the idea that there are always
>right and wrong answers perpetuates "objectivity."
>
> I don't understand this at all. To function in a modern society a
>person has to be able to do accurate calculations in order to do basic
>things like balancing a checkbook or putting together a household
>budget. A checkbook is balanced or isn't. Basic life skills, like we
>should be teaching in school require the ability to accurately perform
>mathematical calculations.

Agreed - and getting major calculations on construction projects
causes bridges or buildings to collapse neither of which helps the
cause in any way.

I happen to be an old math major who thinks 'objectivity' aka "getting
it right" is rather important and when we do our tax filing in the
next couple of weeks I suspect the tax authorities will feel the same
way.

(I could be pleasantly surprised but I doubt it)

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 12:33:57 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>Nope. We have to look to how oppressed you are to determine if your
>checkbook is balanced or not. The more oppression points you have, the
>wider the margin of error you're allowed in your calculations.

So if my checkbook balance looks like Donald Trump's you won't be at
all suspicious?

Hmmm. I think I'm going to have some good times ahead!