On 5/24/2023 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>>>>>>>>>> they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought attention to
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her claim
>>>>>>>>>>> was false.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as nothing
>>>>>>>>>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged
>>>>>>>>>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the end
>>>>> result of socialized government-run health care.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding "Russia"
>>>>> to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical adversary?"
>>>>> Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right and Obama was
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
>>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist or
>>>> have ever existed? If so, please cite.
>>>
>>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted the
>>> logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the government
>>> starts to see every individual as a burden on the system and starts
>>> prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of denial of care and
>>> incentivizing euthanasia.
>>>
>>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well beyond
>>> their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being suspiciously
>>> pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial of care takes the
>>> form
>>> of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general policy.)
>>
>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
>>
>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive and
>> denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
>> general policy."
>
> Read the thread.

Afaics, "the thread" comprises allegations, not evidence.

On 5/24/23 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID
>>>>>>>>>> mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would
>>>>>>>>>> insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them
>>>>>>>>>> about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo outrageous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>>>>>> they ever exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought attention to
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her claim
>>>>>>> was false.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as nothing
>>>>>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged
>>>>>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>
>>>> How so?
>>>
>>> Read the thread.
>>
>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>
> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the end
> result of socialized government-run health care.
>
> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding "Russia"
> to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical adversary?"
> Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right and Obama was
> wrong.

Proud Boys bullshit. Where was Palin right?
All the ACA was going to do was allow end of life counseling.

Palin, like you, was always full of shit.

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On 5/24/23 4:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>   moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>     moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID
>>>>>>>>>>> mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would
>>>>>>>>>>> insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them
>>>>>>>>>>> about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>>>>>>> they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
>>>>>>>> attention to
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her
>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>> was false.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as
>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being
>>>>>>> judged
>>>>>>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>
>>>>> How so?
>>>>
>>>> Read the thread.
>>>
>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>
>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the end
>> result of socialized government-run health care.
>>
>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding "Russia"
>> to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical adversary?"
>> Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right and Obama was
>> wrong.
>
> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
> Obama and Romney.  But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist or
> have ever existed?  If so, please cite.
>
>

He won't because he can't. But he can and probably will dummy up a
snapshot for his Dropbox account.

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On 5/24/23 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID
>>>>>>>>>>>> mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would
>>>>>>>>>>>> insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them
>>>>>>>>>>>> about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>>>>>>>> they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought attention to
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her claim
>>>>>>>>> was false.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as nothing
>>>>>>>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged
>>>>>>>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>
>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>
>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>>
>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the end
>>> result of socialized government-run health care.
>>>
>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding "Russia"
>>> to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical adversary?"
>>> Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right and Obama was
>>> wrong.
>>
>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist or
>> have ever existed? If so, please cite.
>
> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted the
> logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the government
> starts to see every individual as a burden on the system and starts
> prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of denial of care and
> incentivizing euthanasia.
>
> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well beyond
> their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being suspiciously
> pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial of care takes the form
> of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general policy.)

And, yet, you can't show any evidence of this happening, except in Red
States.

But it has nothing to do with socialized medicine, and everything to do
with not giving a shit about constituents, unless they're making them money.

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On 5/24/23 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>>>>>>>>>> they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought attention to
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her claim
>>>>>>>>>>> was false.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as nothing
>>>>>>>>>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged
>>>>>>>>>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the end
>>>>> result of socialized government-run health care.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding "Russia"
>>>>> to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical adversary?"
>>>>> Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right and Obama was
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
>>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist or
>>>> have ever existed? If so, please cite.
>>>
>>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted the
>>> logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the government
>>> starts to see every individual as a burden on the system and starts
>>> prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of denial of care and
>>> incentivizing euthanasia.
>>>
>>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well beyond
>>> their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being suspiciously
>>> pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial of care takes the
>>> form
>>> of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general policy.)
>>
>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
>>
>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive and
>> denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
>> general policy."
>
> Read the thread.
>
>

Read the thread, read the thread. So you can't back up your bullshit...
what a surprise.

The thread was read, the proof wasn't there.

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On 5/25/23 1:36 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2023 12:05:17 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding "Russia"
>> to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical adversary?"
>> Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right and Obama was
>> wrong.
>
> Perhaps then - certainly not now....

All it proves is that if you wait long enough, eventually you'll be
right about something.

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On 5/24/23 8:15 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 5/24/23 1:30 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>   moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They've encouraged veterans to take the MAID (Medical Assistance In
>>>>>>>> Dying) too, even though the veterans in question were still
>>>>>>>> medically
>>>>>>>> treatable. When word of that got out, it caused such a big uproar
>>>>>>>> that the government decided to defer further "liberalization" of
>>>>>>>> MAID-
>>>>>>>> but only for one year. I suppose they want some more time to
>>>>>>>> come up
>>>>>>>> with a big PR campaign to convince people that they should let the
>>>>>>>> doctors kill them rather than letting themselves become a burden on
>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID
>>>>>>>> mandatory
>>>>>>>> instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would insist that
>>>>>>>> they would
>>>>>>>> NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them about as far as I trust
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo outrageous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>>>> they ever exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought attention
>>>>> to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her
>>>>> claim was
>>>>> false.
>>>>
>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as
>>>> nothing
>>>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged
>>>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>>>
>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>
>> How so?
>
>
> This should be good.  Bet we're gonna learn lots we didn't know now.
> Meanwhile, while we're waiting for Thanny to expound... enjoy!
>
> On Paul Revere:
>> He who warned, uh, the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away
>> our arms, uh, by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he's
>> riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells
>> that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we
>> were going to be armed.
>
> Hmmm... I'll be returning my bachelors degree in History, now.  I don't
> deserve it fer knot knowin' them thar historical fax.
>
>> The status quo has got to go, otherwise we're just going to get more
>> of the same. And with their failed agenda, it can't be salvaged. It
>> must be savaged. And Donald Trump is the right one to do that."
>
> When asked to cite a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with
> (excluding Roe V Wade):
>> Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America
>> there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute
>> consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like
>> Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and
>> addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America,
>> there would be others but ―"
>
> When called out for her using own "special" wurds:
>> 'Refudiate,' 'misunderestimate,' 'wee-wee'd up.' English is a living
>> language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!'
>
> On Kim Jong-Un:
>> But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies.
>
> And this is right up Thanny's alley, being as how it's about The
> Department of Law, and all:
>> I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White
>> House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with
>> and automatically throw them out.
>
> Prescient?   Maybe Thanny meant "President".
>

Prescient? She isn't even literate.

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On 5/25/2023 11:05 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 5/24/23 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>   moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>     moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID
>>>>>>>>>>> mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would
>>>>>>>>>>> insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them
>>>>>>>>>>> about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>>>>>>> they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
>>>>>>>> attention to
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her
>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>> was false.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as
>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being
>>>>>>> judged
>>>>>>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>
>>>>> How so?
>>>>
>>>> Read the thread.
>>>
>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>
>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the end
>> result of socialized government-run health care.
>>
>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding "Russia"
>> to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical adversary?"
>> Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right and Obama was
>> wrong.
>
> Proud Boys bullshit.  Where was Palin right?
> All the ACA was going to do was allow end of life counseling.
>
> Palin, like you, was always full of shit.

Meanwhile, preventing such end-of-life counseling seems vaguely
reminiscent of preventing end-of-pregnancy counseling. Oops, I
misspelled 'starkly'...

In article <OYJbM.3393146$iU59.2918706@fx14.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 5/24/2023 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
> >>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
> >>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
> >>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAID mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I trust them about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to behave himself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> nor did they ever exist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
> >>>>>>>>>>> attention to it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim
> >>>>>>>>>>> her claim was false.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth",
> >>>>>>>>>> as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to
> >>>>>>>>>> individuals being judged to see if they were worthy of health
> >>>>>>>>>> care.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How so?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Read the thread.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the
> >>>>> end result of socialized government-run health care.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding
> >>>>> "Russia" to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical
> >>>>> adversary?" Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right
> >>>>> and Obama was wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
> >>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist or
> >>>> have ever existed? If so, please cite.
> >>>
> >>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted
> >>> the logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the
> >>> government starts to see every individual as a burden on the system and
> >>> starts prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of denial
> >>> of care and incentivizing euthanasia.
> >>>
> >>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well
> >>> beyond their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being
> >>> suspiciously pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial
> >>> of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general
> >>> policy.)
> >>
> >> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
> >>
> >> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
> >> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
> >> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive and
> >> denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
> >> general policy."
> >
> > Read the thread.
>
> Afaics, "the thread" comprises allegations, not evidence.

No, it's not just an allegation that Canadia is expanding its "let us
help you die" program from the terminally ill to the poors. They are
factually doing it.

On 5/25/2023 1:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <OYJbM.3393146$iU59.2918706@fx14.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2023 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAID mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I trust them about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor did they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her claim was false.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth",
>>>>>>>>>>>> as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to
>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals being judged to see if they were worthy of health
>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the
>>>>>>> end result of socialized government-run health care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding
>>>>>>> "Russia" to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical
>>>>>>> adversary?" Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right
>>>>>>> and Obama was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
>>>>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist or
>>>>>> have ever existed? If so, please cite.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted
>>>>> the logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the
>>>>> government starts to see every individual as a burden on the system and
>>>>> starts prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of denial
>>>>> of care and incentivizing euthanasia.
>>>>>
>>>>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well
>>>>> beyond their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being
>>>>> suspiciously pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial
>>>>> of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general
>>>>> policy.)
>>>>
>>>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
>>>>
>>>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
>>>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
>>>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive and
>>>> denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
>>>> general policy."
>>>
>>> Read the thread.
>>
>> Afaics, "the thread" comprises allegations, not evidence.
>
> No, it's not just an allegation that Canadia is expanding its "let us
> help you die" program from the terminally ill to the poors. They are
> factually doing it.

Again, what evidence of that can you cite?

On Thu, 25 May 2023 01:22:47 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted the
>logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the government
>starts to see every individual as a burden on the system and starts
>prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of denial of care and
>incentivizing euthanasia.
>
>(For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well beyond
>their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being suspiciously
>pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial of care takes the form
>of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general policy.)

Well gee - she can see Canada from Alaska..... (though not her home
town where two of my cousins once lived and were glad to get back to
the Midwest whee they grew up)

On Wed, 24 May 2023 22:36:14 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:

>I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
>
> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
>and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
>care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive and
>denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
>general policy."

Rhino might correct me but I don't believe there are panels in Canada
- a sign off from one's doctor - which a lot of doctors won't do - is
enough in most cases.

In article <EqNbM.2092567$t5W7.547884@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 5/25/2023 1:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <OYJbM.3393146$iU59.2918706@fx14.iad>,
> > moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/24/2023 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
> >>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
> >>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAID mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I trust them about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to behave himself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor did they ever exist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> attention to it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> her claim was false.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth",
> >>>>>>>>>>>> as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> individuals being judged to see if they were worthy of health
> >>>>>>>>>>>> care.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> How so?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Read the thread.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the
> >>>>>>> end result of socialized government-run health care.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding
> >>>>>>> "Russia" to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical
> >>>>>>> adversary?" Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right
> >>>>>>> and Obama was wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
> >>>>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist or
> >>>>>> have ever existed? If so, please cite.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted
> >>>>> the logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the
> >>>>> government starts to see every individual as a burden on the system and
> >>>>> starts prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of denial
> >>>>> of care and incentivizing euthanasia.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well
> >>>>> beyond their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being
> >>>>> suspiciously pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial
> >>>>> of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general
> >>>>> policy.)
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
> >>>>
> >>>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
> >>>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
> >>>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive and
> >>>> denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
> >>>> general policy."
> >>>
> >>> Read the thread.
> >>
> >> Afaics, "the thread" comprises allegations, not evidence.
> >
> > No, it's not just an allegation that Canadia is expanding its "let us
> > help you die" program from the terminally ill to the poors. They are
> > factually doing it.
>
> Again, what evidence of that can you cite?

Read the thread.

On Thu, 25 May 2023 14:04:18 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:

>> No, it's not just an allegation that Canadia is expanding its "let us
>> help you die" program from the terminally ill to the poors. They are
>> factually doing it.
>
>Again, what evidence of that can you cite?

Good question - the news story I heard was about one well known doctor
who holds a position on a hospital board saying he saw no reason to
deny it even if that was the only "symptom of distress"

That's a long way from handing out cyanide pills with welfare checks.

On 5/25/2023 2:29 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2023 22:36:14 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
>>
>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive and
>> denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
>> general policy."
>
> Rhino might correct me but I don't believe there are panels in Canada
> - a sign off from one's doctor - which a lot of doctors won't do - is
> enough in most cases.

What is the doctor giving permission for?

On 5/25/2023 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <EqNbM.2092567$t5W7.547884@fx13.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/25/2023 1:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <OYJbM.3393146$iU59.2918706@fx14.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2023 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAID mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I trust them about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor did they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her claim was false.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals being judged to see if they were worthy of health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the
>>>>>>>>> end result of socialized government-run health care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding
>>>>>>>>> "Russia" to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical
>>>>>>>>> adversary?" Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was right
>>>>>>>>> and Obama was wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
>>>>>>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist or
>>>>>>>> have ever existed? If so, please cite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted
>>>>>>> the logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the
>>>>>>> government starts to see every individual as a burden on the system and
>>>>>>> starts prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of denial
>>>>>>> of care and incentivizing euthanasia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well
>>>>>>> beyond their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being
>>>>>>> suspiciously pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial
>>>>>>> of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general
>>>>>>> policy.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
>>>>>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
>>>>>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive and
>>>>>> denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
>>>>>> general policy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>
>>>> Afaics, "the thread" comprises allegations, not evidence.
>>>
>>> No, it's not just an allegation that Canadia is expanding its "let us
>>> help you die" program from the terminally ill to the poors. They are
>>> factually doing it.
>>
>> Again, what evidence of that can you cite?
>
> Read the thread.

Is reading and rereading "the thread" how you came to believe it?

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2023 22:36:14 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
> wrote:
> >I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
> >
> > "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
> >and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
> >care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive and
> >denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
> >general policy."
> Rhino might correct me but I don't believe there are panels in Canada
> - a sign off from one's doctor - which a lot of doctors won't do - is
> enough in most cases.

In late 2016, my mother was dying of leukemia and had already decided not to do any more chemo after having endured two rounds. She was getting palliative care at home and I'd moved back to care for her and to make sure that the doctor, nurses and PSWs (personal support workers) did their jobs properly. Each week, the doctor would come and ask her some questions. During one of the doctor's visits, she told the doctor she wanted to have medically assisted death. I was sitting nearby as was the doctor and the nurse who came daily. This was completely out of the blue to all of us as she had insisted she was not in any pain throughout her illness. The doctor explained that he wasn't personally comfortable with assisted suicide (ditto for the nurse), which he said was the case for a lot of doctors, but that he could give her a phone number to be put in touch with a doctor who was willing to prescribe the necessary pills. (Medically assisted suicide had only been passed into law a few months earlier so the procedures were only just coming into place for the first time.)

When she and I spoke about it after the doctor and nurse left, she really just didn't want to be a burden and said maybe it was time to go to a hospice. I wasn't having any trouble caring for her thanks to the doctor, nurse, and PSWs so I suggested she hold off and we'd revisit that (and the medically assisted suicide) later if it came to that. A couple of weeks later, after another stroke - she'd had a couple already - she asked the doctor about it again - but he said she would no longer pass the lucidity test. (He didn't put it in those exact terms but essentially, he said that she wasn't sufficiently clear-headed to make that request any more. At the time, the law called for the person requesting assisting suicide had to be clearly lucid and definitely suffering from something terminal that had no reasonable chance of being cured by medical science, if I am remembering the principles correctly.) So she died in her own room a few weeks later of natural causes..

But they've apparently lowered the bar a LOT for who can get what they now call MAID (Medical Assistance in Dying). That led to at least one highly-publicized case of someone urging a veteran with PTSD to take MAID when all he wanted was proper treatment for his (very non-fatal) illness as Horny Goat has said. This incident was in all the major papers and caused quite a stir. I don't think anyone could reasonably dispute that this incident took place.

In article <frPbM.490090$qjm2.305377@fx09.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 5/25/2023 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <EqNbM.2092567$t5W7.547884@fx13.iad>,
> > moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/25/2023 1:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <OYJbM.3393146$iU59.2918706@fx14.iad>,
> >>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/24/2023 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
> >>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAID mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I trust them about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to behave himself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor did they ever exist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention to it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her claim was false.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth",
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals being judged to see if they were worthy of health
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How so?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Read the thread.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the
> >>>>>>>>> end result of socialized government-run health care.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding
> >>>>>>>>> "Russia" to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical
> >>>>>>>>> adversary?" Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was
> >>>>>>>>> right and Obama was wrong.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
> >>>>>>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist
> >>>>>>>> or have ever existed? If so, please cite.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted
> >>>>>>> the logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the
> >>>>>>> government starts to see every individual as a burden on the system
> >>>>>>> and starts prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of
> >>>>>>> denial of care and incentivizing euthanasia.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well
> >>>>>>> beyond their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being
> >>>>>>> suspiciously pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial
> >>>>>>> of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general
> >>>>>>> policy.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
> >>>>>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
> >>>>>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive
> >>>>>> and denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
> >>>>>> general policy."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Read the thread.
> >>>>
> >>>> Afaics, "the thread" comprises allegations, not evidence.
> >>>
> >>> No, it's not just an allegation that Canadia is expanding its "let us
> >>> help you die" program from the terminally ill to the poors. They are
> >>> factually doing it.
> >>
> >> Again, what evidence of that can you cite?
> >
> > Read the thread.
>
> Is reading and rereading "the thread" how you came to believe it?

Nope. Only took me once. Not sure why you're having such problems.

On 5/25/2023 6:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <frPbM.490090$qjm2.305377@fx09.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/25/2023 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <EqNbM.2092567$t5W7.547884@fx13.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/25/2023 1:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <OYJbM.3393146$iU59.2918706@fx14.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAID mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I trust them about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor did they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her claim was false.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals being judged to see if they were worthy of health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the
>>>>>>>>>>> end result of socialized government-run health care.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding
>>>>>>>>>>> "Russia" to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical
>>>>>>>>>>> adversary?" Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was
>>>>>>>>>>> right and Obama was wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
>>>>>>>>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist
>>>>>>>>>> or have ever existed? If so, please cite.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted
>>>>>>>>> the logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the
>>>>>>>>> government starts to see every individual as a burden on the system
>>>>>>>>> and starts prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of
>>>>>>>>> denial of care and incentivizing euthanasia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well
>>>>>>>>> beyond their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being
>>>>>>>>> suspiciously pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial
>>>>>>>>> of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general
>>>>>>>>> policy.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
>>>>>>>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
>>>>>>>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive
>>>>>>>> and denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
>>>>>>>> general policy."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Afaics, "the thread" comprises allegations, not evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it's not just an allegation that Canadia is expanding its "let us
>>>>> help you die" program from the terminally ill to the poors. They are
>>>>> factually doing it.
>>>>
>>>> Again, what evidence of that can you cite?
>>>
>>> Read the thread.
>>
>> Is reading and rereading "the thread" how you came to believe it?
>
> Nope. Only took me once. Not sure why you're having such problems.

Yet you seem certain that repeated reading will solve them.

On May 25, 2023 at 4:01:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 5/25/2023 6:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <frPbM.490090$qjm2.305377@fx09.iad>,
>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/25/2023 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <EqNbM.2092567$t5W7.547884@fx13.iad>,
>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/25/2023 1:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <OYJbM.3393146$iU59.2918706@fx14.iad>,
>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAID mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I trust them about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor did they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her claim was false.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals being judged to see if they were worthy of health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the
>>>>>>>>>>>> end result of socialized government-run health care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Russia" to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical
>>>>>>>>>>>> adversary?" Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was
>>>>>>>>>>>> right and Obama was wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist
>>>>>>>>>>> or have ever existed? If so, please cite.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted
>>>>>>>>>> the logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the
>>>>>>>>>> government starts to see every individual as a burden on the system
>>>>>>>>>> and starts prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of
>>>>>>>>>> denial of care and incentivizing euthanasia.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well
>>>>>>>>>> beyond their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being
>>>>>>>>>> suspiciously pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial
>>>>>>>>>> of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general
>>>>>>>>>> policy.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
>>>>>>>>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
>>>>>>>>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive
>>>>>>>>> and denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
>>>>>>>>> general policy."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Afaics, "the thread" comprises allegations, not evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's not just an allegation that Canadia is expanding its "let us
>>>>>> help you die" program from the terminally ill to the poors. They are
>>>>>> factually doing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, what evidence of that can you cite?
>>>>
>>>> Read the thread.
>>>
>>> Is reading and rereading "the thread" how you came to believe it?
>>
>> Nope. Only took me once. Not sure why you're having such problems.
>
> Yet you seem certain that repeated reading will solve them.

On 5/25/2023 7:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On May 25, 2023 at 4:01:02 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/25/2023 6:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <frPbM.490090$qjm2.305377@fx09.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/25/2023 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <EqNbM.2092567$t5W7.547884@fx13.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/25/2023 1:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <OYJbM.3393146$iU59.2918706@fx14.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 11:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 7:36:14 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 9:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2023 at 1:15:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <_CsbM.3871033$GNG9.2840749@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAID mandatory instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would insist that they would NEVER make it mandatory but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I trust them about as far as I trust that Mizzy goofball
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to behave himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrageous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor did they ever exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her claim was false.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals being judged to see if they were worthy of health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was she "prescient" in causing an action to be taken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that means. She was prescient in predicting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> end result of socialized government-run health care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just like Mitt Romney, who was mocked by Obama for responding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Russia" to the question "Who is America's number one geopolitical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adversary?" Even hyper-partisan Democrats now admit Romney was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right and Obama was wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see how you can mention Sarah Palin in the same breath with
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama and Romney. But, are you saying that her "Death Panels" exist
>>>>>>>>>>>> or have ever existed? If so, please cite.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think I was quite clear in what I said. Palin accurately predicted
>>>>>>>>>>> the logical end result of socialized government-run health care: the
>>>>>>>>>>> government starts to see every individual as a burden on the system
>>>>>>>>>>> and starts prioritizing the relief if that burden in the form of
>>>>>>>>>>> denial of care and incentivizing euthanasia.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (For someone who routinely enjoys stretching words and concepts well
>>>>>>>>>>> beyond their commonly understood definitions, you're suddenly being
>>>>>>>>>>> suspiciously pedantic about whether the suicide incentive and denial
>>>>>>>>>>> of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a general
>>>>>>>>>>> policy.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm unaware of that circumstance. Please cite your evidence that:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "the government [sees] every individual as a burden on the system
>>>>>>>>>> and [prioritizes] the relief of that burden in the form of denial of
>>>>>>>>>> care and incentivizing euthanasia ... whether the suicide incentive
>>>>>>>>>> and denial of care takes the form of a panel of bureaucrats or just a
>>>>>>>>>> general policy."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Afaics, "the thread" comprises allegations, not evidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's not just an allegation that Canadia is expanding its "let us
>>>>>>> help you die" program from the terminally ill to the poors. They are
>>>>>>> factually doing it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, what evidence of that can you cite?
>>>>>
>>>>> Read the thread.
>>>>
>>>> Is reading and rereading "the thread" how you came to believe it?
>>>
>>> Nope. Only took me once. Not sure why you're having such problems.
>>
>> Yet you seem certain that repeated reading will solve them.
>
> Not really. I just see no need to re-cite things that have already been made
> clear. If you can figure it out, great. If not, either re-read it until you
> can or have someone sound out the words for you.

On 5/24/23 9:52 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 5/24/23 10:46 AM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> They've encouraged veterans to take the MAID (Medical Assistance
>>>>>> In Dying)
>>>>>> too, even though the veterans in question were still medically
>>>>>> treatable.
>>>>>> When word of that got out, it caused such a big uproar that the
>>>>>> government
>>>>>> decided to defer further "liberalization" of MAID - but only for
>>>>>> one year.
>>>>>> I suppose they want some more time to come up with a big PR
>>>>>> campaign to
>>>>>> convince people that they should let the doctors kill them rather
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> letting themselves become a burden on society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID
>>>>>> mandatory
>>>>>> instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would insist that they
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them about as far as I trust that
>>>>>> Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo outrageous.
>>>>
>>>> Yes.  Because it was a fucking lie.  No such panels existed, nor did
>>>> they ever exist.
>>>
>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought attention to
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her claim
>>> was
>>> false.
>>
>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as
>> nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals
>> being judged to see if they were worthy of health care.
>> ...
>> For 2009, "death panel" was named as PolitiFact's "Lie of the Year",
>> one of FactCheck's "whoppers", and the most outrageous new term by the
>> American Dialect Society.
>>
>>    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel
>>
>
> The basis of the Death Panels came from a provision in the ACA that
> would have allowed payment for "end of life" counseling - IF you wanted
> that service.
>
> It was to be a benefit.  Nobody was planning on dumping Grandma in an
> shallow grave...

Yes, and in Palin's defense, it's not as if she's capable of reading
anything more that a Bazooka Joe comic, so she was going on hearsay and
egesting her typical diarrhea of the mouth.

On 5/24/23 12:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> They've encouraged veterans to take the MAID (Medical Assistance In
>>>>>> Dying) too, even though the veterans in question were still medically
>>>>>> treatable. When word of that got out, it caused such a big uproar
>>>>>> that the government decided to defer further "liberalization" of MAID-
>>>>>> but only for one year. I suppose they want some more time to come up
>>>>>> with a big PR campaign to convince people that they should let the
>>>>>> doctors kill them rather than letting themselves become a burden on
>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID mandatory
>>>>>> instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would insist that they would
>>>>>> NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them about as far as I trust that
>>>>>> Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo outrageous.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>> they ever exist.
>>>
>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought attention to it.
>>>
>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her claim was
>>> false.
>>
>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as nothing
>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged
>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>
> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.

You misspelled "preschool."

On 5/24/23 12:30 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>   moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> They've encouraged veterans to take the MAID (Medical Assistance In
>>>>>>> Dying) too, even though the veterans in question were still
>>>>>>> medically
>>>>>>> treatable. When word of that got out, it caused such a big uproar
>>>>>>> that the government decided to defer further "liberalization" of
>>>>>>> MAID-
>>>>>>> but only for one year. I suppose they want some more time to come up
>>>>>>> with a big PR campaign to convince people that they should let the
>>>>>>> doctors kill them rather than letting themselves become a burden on
>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID
>>>>>>> mandatory
>>>>>>> instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would insist that
>>>>>>> they would
>>>>>>> NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them about as far as I trust
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo outrageous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>>> they ever exist.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought attention
>>>> to it.
>>>>
>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her
>>>> claim was
>>>> false.
>>>
>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as nothing
>>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged
>>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>>
>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>
> How so?

Republicans helping to kill 1.1 million Americans from Covid. Duh.

On 5/24/23 12:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <_QrbM.3430435$9sn9.858073@fx17.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2023 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <VqpbM.3862236$GNG9.2226104@fx18.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2023 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>> "trotsky" wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/23/23 5:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They've encouraged veterans to take the MAID (Medical Assistance In
>>>>>>>> Dying) too, even though the veterans in question were still medically
>>>>>>>> treatable. When word of that got out, it caused such a big uproar
>>>>>>>> that the government decided to defer further "liberalization" of MAID-
>>>>>>>> but only for one year. I suppose they want some more time to come up
>>>>>>>> with a big PR campaign to convince people that they should let the
>>>>>>>> doctors kill them rather than letting themselves become a burden on
>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's anyone's guess how long they'll wait before making MAID mandatory
>>>>>>>> instead of voluntary. I'm sure the Liberals would insist that they
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> NEVER make it mandatory but I trust them about as far as I trust that
>>>>>>>> Mizzy goofball to behave himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Sarah Palin saying "death panels" was just sooooooo outrageous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. Because it was a fucking lie. No such panels existed, nor did
>>>>>> they ever exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong. The "death panels" were removed after she brought attention to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny enough, this is why "fact checkers" like Scopes claim her claim was
>>>>> false.
>>>>
>>>> Palin's claim has been referred to as the "death panel myth", as nothing
>>>> in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged
>>>> to see if they were worthy of health care.
>>>
>>> And yet she seems to have been prescient nevertheless.
>>
>> How so?
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> Read the thread.

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