On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:33:45 PM UTC-5, marika wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > I think I remember a specific conversation on this, that I haven't looked up in the archives yet.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
>
> Not investigation
>
> But something re adjudicating evidence
>
> mk5000
>
> I never trust a narcissist, but they love me
> So I play 'em like a violin and I make it look oh-so-easy
> 'Cause for every lie I tell them, they tell me three
> This is how the world works, now all he thinks about is me==I Did Something Bad
> Taylor Swift

Hi and welcome to the group....!

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:20:15 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:33:45 PM UTC-5, marika wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > I think I remember a specific conversation on this, that I haven't looked up in the archives yet.
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> >
> > Not investigation
> >
> > But something re adjudicating evidence
> >
> > mk5000
> >
> > I never trust a narcissist, but they love me
> > So I play 'em like a violin and I make it look oh-so-easy
> > 'Cause for every lie I tell them, they tell me three
> > This is how the world works, now all he thinks about is me==I Did Something Bad
> > Taylor Swift
> Hi and welcome to the group....!

This thread has inspired me to create my own thread entitled: "Zod Takes the Low Road"
I have so many of his post saying "motherfucker" to fill it with!
See: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/search?q=motherfucker%20author%3AZod
Sorry that all I would have for material...
There's nothing to quote from Sod unfortunately,
because it's the same shit he mutters
just so he can say motherfucker.
It seems it's the only word
known to the turd.
I've heard better from 12 year olds
in the ghetto-
so his skill with words
seems pretty disturbed.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:18:43 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:47:30 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:06:52 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:30:21 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:35:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
> > > > > > before I got here.
> > > > > > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > I, otoh, take the high road
> > > > >
> > > > > > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> > > > > > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> > > > > > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
> > > > > > on aapc.
> > > > >
> > > > > > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
> > > > > > that MMP [took] when he found out abouf "Piggy".
> > > > >
> > > > > > <quote>
> > > > > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> > > > > > 8/5/14
> > > > > > to
> > > > >
> > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
> > > > >
> > > > > > George Dance:
> > > > > > Let me count the ways:
> > > > >
> > > > > > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> > > > > > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> > > > > > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> > > > > > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> > > > > > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
> > > > > > /Lord of the Flies/.
> > > > >
> > > > > > See, it's a perfect name for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > > MMP:
> > > > > > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
> > > > >
> > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
> > > > >
> > > > > > MMP:
> > > > > > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> > > > > > </q>
> > > > > Good morning George, thanks again for correcting the lies and misrepresentations and for setting the record straight.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > Well, that' s the beginning of the record, anyway. To recap, and add the relevant dates:
> > > > (1) on Aug. 1, I, PJ Ross showed up and I addressed him as "Piggy";
> > > > (2) on Aug. 2, Piggy asked why I called him Piggy, and I explained. Mr. Monkey read my explanation and "laughed out loud.'.
> > > > (3) on Aug. 5, Mr. Monkey began calling Piggy "Piggy John-John Ross" (which he says is from /Lord of the Flies/).
> >
> > > Stop lying, George. I realize that I'm asking the impossible, but you really need to stop.
> > >
> > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
> > (I still doubt your claim that it is a reference to the book.)
> IIRC it was a quote from the 1963 version of the film.

According to Piggy Ross, your actual quotes were from a "condensed version" of the book by John Crace, published by the /Guardian/ in 2009 and easily Googlable in 2014 (and today as a matter of fact).
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jan/17/lord-flies-william-golding-condensed

> > > I never said any such thing.
> > Actually, that's exactly what you claimed after I quoted you using the term "Piggy John-John Ross":
> > "The above passages were directly quoted from "Lord of the Flies.""
> > - and then later, to someone else:
> > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
> The *quote* ("Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy.") is from the 1963 film version of "Lord of the Flies."
No one's disputed the genuineness of that quote. Piggy (being a troll) of course disputed that you'd read the book, insisting that you lifted it from Crace.

> The name "Piggy John-John Ross" is not.
Which explains why ""George doesn't appear to have recognized it" as a quote": Because it wasn't a quote, but your own name-calling.

> You may recall (although, obviously, you don't) that I had been calling him "Peter John-John Ross." When you began calling him "Piggy," I changed "Peter John-John Ross" to "Piggy John-John Ross."
>

Which explains why ""George ... thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names." Because that is in fact what you were doing.

> There is no "John-John" character in either the book or the film.

Which I've already verified. But thanks for Googling.

> > > > But that's not the entire record; we've only just begun. Here's the monkey's next post, also from Aug. 5:
> > > > <quote>
> > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > <whinesnip>
> > > >
> > > > MMP: And he cried "Wee! Wee! Wee!" all the way home.
> > > > </q>
> > > Um... that's another literary reference, George.
> > >
> > > Hell, I think even our resident Donkey recognizes that one.
> > So your first and second uses of "Piggy John-John Ross" were allegedly quoted from /Lord of the Fiies, while your third allegedly came from "This little piggy ...". Since I don't remember that name used in either source, and I really don't believe that anyone else does, either, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you for cites.
> >
> I hate to call you dense, Dance... but you really are quite the dunce.
>
> As to the name, see above.
>
> Hopefully I've explained it clearly enough for even you to understand.

I think it's all understandable to everyone. Your claim that:
> Childish George was calling PJ Ross (and practically everyone else) barnyard names and similarly childish fare; while Michael Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil at AAPC.

- was revisionism, instead. In fact, you were already calling PJ Ross names; and when you discovered that I was calling PJ Ross Piggy, your response was to laugh out loud and start calling him "Piggy" too: (monkey see, monkey do).

Not that there's anything wrong with calling PJ Ross Piggy. What is wrong is your lying about it, and claiming you were "taking the high road" and "trying to keep things civil" instead. As repeatedly noted, your word cannot be trusted.

> > > > To be continued. For those who wish to read the whole thread, it can be found here:
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/ypjMTZkSb5w/m/BUf_TAino8IJ?hl=en

Now that you've shown that you were in fact name-calling, there may be no need to give other examples of your name-calling. But, rest assured, they're all still in the archives as needed.

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:11:44 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:20:15 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:33:45 PM UTC-5, marika wrote:
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think I remember a specific conversation on this, that I haven't looked up in the archives yet.
> > > >
> > > > HTH and HAND.
> > >
> > > Not investigation
> > >
> > > But something re adjudicating evidence
> > >
> > > mk5000
> > >
> > > I never trust a narcissist, but they love me
> > > So I play 'em like a violin and I make it look oh-so-easy
> > > 'Cause for every lie I tell them, they tell me three
> > > This is how the world works, now all he thinks about is me==I Did Something Bad
> > > Taylor Swift
> > Hi and welcome to the group....!
> This thread has inspired me to create my own thread entitled: "Zod Takes the Low Road"
> I have so many of his post saying "motherfucker" to fill it with!
> See: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/search?q=motherfucker%20author%3AZod

Feel free to do so, rather than try to take over someone else's thread (as per the GLs you've sworn to obey).
If you're having trouble figuring out how to start a new thread, here's some easy instructions for those using Google Groups. :
1) Click the three horizontal lines on the upper left, right beside the "Groups" logo.
2) Click the "New Conversation" button.
3) Start typing!

It's that easy. Good luck, newbie.

> Sorry that all I would have for material...
> There's nothing to quote from Sod unfortunately,
> because it's the same shit he mutters
> just so he can say motherfucker.
> It seems it's the only word
> known to the turd.
> I've heard better from 12 year olds
> in the ghetto-
> so his skill with words
> seems pretty disturbed.

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:52:50 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:18:43 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:47:30 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:06:52 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:30:21 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:35:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
> > > > > > > before I got here.
> > > > > > > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > I, otoh, take the high road
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> > > > > > > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> > > > > > > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
> > > > > > > on aapc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
> > > > > > > that MMP [took] when he found out abouf "Piggy".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > <quote>
> > > > > > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > 8/5/14
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > > > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > George Dance:
> > > > > > > Let me count the ways:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> > > > > > > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> > > > > > > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> > > > > > > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> > > > > > > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
> > > > > > > /Lord of the Flies/.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > See, it's a perfect name for you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > MMP:
> > > > > > > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > > > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > MMP:
> > > > > > > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> > > > > > > </q>
> > > > > > Good morning George, thanks again for correcting the lies and misrepresentations and for setting the record straight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > > Well, that' s the beginning of the record, anyway. To recap, and add the relevant dates:
> > > > > (1) on Aug. 1, I, PJ Ross showed up and I addressed him as "Piggy";
> > > > > (2) on Aug. 2, Piggy asked why I called him Piggy, and I explained. Mr. Monkey read my explanation and "laughed out loud.'.
> > > > > (3) on Aug. 5, Mr. Monkey began calling Piggy "Piggy John-John Ross" (which he says is from /Lord of the Flies/).
> > >
> > > > Stop lying, George. I realize that I'm asking the impossible, but you really need to stop.
> > > >
> > > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
> > > (I still doubt your claim that it is a reference to the book.)
> > IIRC it was a quote from the 1963 version of the film.
> According to Piggy Ross, your actual quotes were from a "condensed version" of the book by John Crace, published by the /Guardian/ in 2009 and easily Googlable in 2014 (and today as a matter of fact).
> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jan/17/lord-flies-william-golding-condensed
> > > > I never said any such thing.
> > > Actually, that's exactly what you claimed after I quoted you using the term "Piggy John-John Ross":
> > > "The above passages were directly quoted from "Lord of the Flies.""
> > > - and then later, to someone else:
> > > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
> > The *quote* ("Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy.") is from the 1963 film version of "Lord of the Flies."
> No one's disputed the genuineness of that quote. Piggy (being a troll) of course disputed that you'd read the book, insisting that you lifted it from Crace.
> > The name "Piggy John-John Ross" is not.
> Which explains why ""George doesn't appear to have recognized it" as a quote": Because it wasn't a quote, but your own name-calling.
> > You may recall (although, obviously, you don't) that I had been calling him "Peter John-John Ross." When you began calling him "Piggy," I changed "Peter John-John Ross" to "Piggy John-John Ross."
> >
> Which explains why ""George ... thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names." Because that is in fact what you were doing..
> > There is no "John-John" character in either the book or the film.
> Which I've already verified. But thanks for Googling.
> > > > > But that's not the entire record; we've only just begun. Here's the monkey's next post, also from Aug. 5:
> > > > > <quote>
> > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > <whinesnip>
> > > > >
> > > > > MMP: And he cried "Wee! Wee! Wee!" all the way home.
> > > > > </q>
> > > > Um... that's another literary reference, George.
> > > >
> > > > Hell, I think even our resident Donkey recognizes that one.
> > > So your first and second uses of "Piggy John-John Ross" were allegedly quoted from /Lord of the Fiies, while your third allegedly came from "This little piggy ...". Since I don't remember that name used in either source, and I really don't believe that anyone else does, either, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you for cites.
> > >
> > I hate to call you dense, Dance... but you really are quite the dunce.
> >
> > As to the name, see above.
> >
> > Hopefully I've explained it clearly enough for even you to understand.
> I think it's all understandable to everyone. Your claim that:
> > Childish George was calling PJ Ross (and practically everyone else) barnyard names and similarly childish fare; while Michael Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil at AAPC.
>
> - was revisionism, instead. In fact, you were already calling PJ Ross names; and when you discovered that I was calling PJ Ross Piggy, your response was to laugh out loud and start calling him "Piggy" too: (monkey see, monkey do).
>
> Not that there's anything wrong with calling PJ Ross Piggy. What is wrong is your lying about it, and claiming you were "taking the high road" and "trying to keep things civil" instead. As repeatedly noted, your word cannot be trusted.
> > > > > To be continued. For those who wish to read the whole thread, it can be found here:
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/ypjMTZkSb5w/m/BUf_TAino8IJ?hl=en
> Now that you've shown that you were in fact name-calling, there may be no need to give other examples of your name-calling. But, rest assured, they're all still in the archives as needed.

WTF is wrong with you, George?

Since I still refer to your friends as "Donkey" and "Stink," the fact that I engage in name-calling should be self-evident.

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:59:34 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:11:44 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:20:15 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:33:45 PM UTC-5, marika wrote:
> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think I remember a specific conversation on this, that I haven't looked up in the archives yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > >
> > > > Not investigation
> > > >
> > > > But something re adjudicating evidence
> > > >
> > > > mk5000
> > > >
> > > > I never trust a narcissist, but they love me
> > > > So I play 'em like a violin and I make it look oh-so-easy
> > > > 'Cause for every lie I tell them, they tell me three
> > > > This is how the world works, now all he thinks about is me==I Did Something Bad
> > > > Taylor Swift
> > > Hi and welcome to the group....!
> > This thread has inspired me to create my own thread entitled: "Zod Takes the Low Road"
> > I have so many of his post saying "motherfucker" to fill it with!
> > See: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/search?q=motherfucker%20author%3AZod
> Feel free to do so, rather than try to take over someone else's thread (as per the GLs you've sworn to obey).
> If you're having trouble figuring out how to start a new thread, here's some easy instructions for those using Google Groups. :
> 1) Click the three horizontal lines on the upper left, right beside the "Groups" logo.
> 2) Click the "New Conversation" button.
> 3) Start typing!
>
> It's that easy. Good luck, newbie.
> > Sorry that all I would have for material...
> > There's nothing to quote from Sod unfortunately,
> > because it's the same shit he mutters
> > just so he can say motherfucker.
> > It seems it's the only word
> > known to the turd.
> > I've heard better from 12 year olds
> > in the ghetto-
> > so his skill with words
> > seems pretty disturbed.

Hey newbie, fellow lyrics lover, join the rebellion against the new cool kids and their Machiavelli, Dance, the new Queff of Nasty. He sure gets testy when someone doesn't slurp his troll threads that he mostly posts...
Hey wait that newbie is me...

George Dance wrote:

> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:11:44 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:20:15 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:33:45 PM UTC-5, marika wrote:
>> > > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I think I remember a specific conversation on this, that I haven't looked up in the archives yet.
>> > > >
>> > > > HTH and HAND.
>> > >
>> > > Not investigation
>> > >
>> > > But something re adjudicating evidence
>> > >
>> > > mk5000
>> > >
>> > > I never trust a narcissist, but they love me
>> > > So I play 'em like a violin and I make it look oh-so-easy
>> > > 'Cause for every lie I tell them, they tell me three
>> > > This is how the world works, now all he thinks about is me==I Did Something Bad
>> > > Taylor Swift
>> > Hi and welcome to the group....!
>> This thread has inspired me to create my own thread entitled: "Zod Takes the Low Road"
>> I have so many of his post saying "motherfucker" to fill it with!
>> See: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/search?q=motherfucker%20author%3AZod

> Feel free to do so, rather than try to take over someone else's thread (as per the GLs you've sworn to obey).
> If you're having trouble figuring out how to start a new thread, here's some easy instructions for those using Google Groups. :
> 1) Click the three horizontal lines on the upper left, right beside the "Groups" logo.
> 2) Click the "New Conversation" button.
> 3) Start typing!

> It's that easy. Good luck, newbie.

You nailed it, George.

🙂

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
> before I got here.
> On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > I, otoh, take the high road

> Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
> on aapc.

> For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
> that MMP taking "the high road" when he found out abouf "Piggy".

> <quote>
> michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> 8/5/14
> to

> Piggy John-John Ross:
> Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".

> George Dance:
> Let me count the ways:

> (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
> /Lord of the Flies/.

> See, it's a perfect name for you.

> MMP:
> I laughed out loud at that one! :-D

> Piggy John-John Ross:
> "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."

> MMP:
> "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> </q>

Michael Pendragon is giving multiple examples of his "high road" this morning, a constant flood of malicious name-calling, lies and misrepresentations.

And so it goes.

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:05:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
> > before I got here.
> > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > I, otoh, take the high road
>
> > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
> > on aapc.
>
> > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
> > that MMP taking "the high road" when he found out abouf "Piggy".
> > <quote>
> > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> > 8/5/14
> > to
>
> > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
>
> > George Dance:
> > Let me count the ways:
>
> > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
> > /Lord of the Flies/.
>
> > See, it's a perfect name for you.
>
> > MMP:
> > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
>
> > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
>
> > MMP:
> > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> > </q>
> Michael Pendragon is giving multiple examples of his "high road" this morning, a constant flood of malicious name-calling, lies and misrepresentations.
>
> And so it goes.

What are you braying about now, Donkey?

That I supported George J. Dance when he called PJR "Piggy" 8 1/2 years ago?

Michael Pendragon
"Thanks for the yank on my wank, General Stank
I'll be your Bubba and you'll be my skank
Pull down my tent pants and give me a spank
And thanks for the yank on my wank, General Stank."
-- Will Donkey, from The Shadowville Mythos

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 8:40:01 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-12-14 7:33 a.m., W.Dockery wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy"
> >> long before I got here.
> >> On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > I, otoh, take the high road
> >
> >> Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> >> saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> >> Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things
> >> civil on aapc.
> >
> >> For those interested in what really happened, though, <snip>
> That was badly phrased. Let's edit:
> For those interested, here's the road that MMP actually took when he
> found out that I was calling PJ Ross "Piggy":
> >
> >> <quote>
> >> michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> >> 8/5/14
> >> to
> >
> >> Piggy John-John Ross:
> >> Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
> >
> >> George Dance:
> >> Let me count the ways:
> >
> >> (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> >> (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> >> (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> >> (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> >> (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp
> >> in /Lord of the Flies/.
> >
> >> See, it's a perfect name for you.
> >
> >> MMP:
> >> I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
> >
> >> Piggy John-John Ross:
> >> "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done
> >> before."
> >
> >> MMP:
> >> "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> >> </q>
> I should give a link to the original thread as well:
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/ypjMTZkSb5w/m/BUf_TAino8IJ
> >
> > Good morning George, thanks again for correcting the lies and
> > misrepresentations and for setting the record straight.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> I'm grateful you gave me a chance to have another read of it.

Glad to.

🙂

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:52:50 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
> > > > > > > before I got here.
> > > > > > > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > I, otoh, take the high road
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> > > > > > > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> > > > > > > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
> > > > > > > on aapc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
> > > > > > > that MMP [took] when he found out abouf "Piggy".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > <quote>
> > > > > > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > 8/5/14
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > > > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > George Dance:
> > > > > > > Let me count the ways:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> > > > > > > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> > > > > > > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> > > > > > > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> > > > > > > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
> > > > > > > /Lord of the Flies/.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > See, it's a perfect name for you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > MMP:
> > > > > > > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > > > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > MMP:
> > > > > > > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> > > > > > > </q>
> > > > > > Good morning George, thanks again for correcting the lies and misrepresentations and for setting the record straight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > > Well, that' s the beginning of the record, anyway. To recap, and add the relevant dates:
> > > > > (1) on Aug. 1, I, PJ Ross showed up and I addressed him as "Piggy";
> > > > > (2) on Aug. 2, Piggy asked why I called him Piggy, and I explained. Mr. Monkey read my explanation and "laughed out loud.'.
> > > > > (3) on Aug. 5, Mr. Monkey began calling Piggy "Piggy John-John Ross" (which he says is from /Lord of the Flies/).
> > >
> > > > Stop lying, George. I realize that I'm asking the impossible, but you really need to stop.
> > > >
> > > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
> > > (I still doubt your claim that it is a reference to the book.)
> > IIRC it was a quote from the 1963 version of the film.
> According to Piggy Ross, your actual quotes were from a "condensed version" of the book by John Crace, published by the /Guardian/ in 2009 and easily Googlable in 2014 (and today as a matter of fact).
> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jan/17/lord-flies-william-golding-condensed
> > > > I never said any such thing.
> > > Actually, that's exactly what you claimed after I quoted you using the term "Piggy John-John Ross":
> > > "The above passages were directly quoted from "Lord of the Flies.""
> > > - and then later, to someone else:
> > > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
> > The *quote* ("Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy.") is from the 1963 film version of "Lord of the Flies."
> No one's disputed the genuineness of that quote. Piggy (being a troll) of course disputed that you'd read the book, insisting that you lifted it from Crace.
> > The name "Piggy John-John Ross" is not.
> Which explains why ""George doesn't appear to have recognized it" as a quote": Because it wasn't a quote, but your own name-calling.
> > You may recall (although, obviously, you don't) that I had been calling him "Peter John-John Ross." When you began calling him "Piggy," I changed "Peter John-John Ross" to "Piggy John-John Ross."
> >
> Which explains why ""George ... thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names." Because that is in fact what you were doing..
> > There is no "John-John" character in either the book or the film.
> Which I've already verified. But thanks for Googling.
> > > > > But that's not the entire record; we've only just begun. Here's the monkey's next post, also from Aug. 5:
> > > > > <quote>
> > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > <whinesnip>
> > > > >
> > > > > MMP: And he cried "Wee! Wee! Wee!" all the way home.
> > > > > </q>
> > > > Um... that's another literary reference, George.
> > > >
> > > > Hell, I think even our resident Donkey recognizes that one.
> > > So your first and second uses of "Piggy John-John Ross" were allegedly quoted from /Lord of the Fiies, while your third allegedly came from "This little piggy ...". Since I don't remember that name used in either source, and I really don't believe that anyone else does, either, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you for cites.
> > >
> > I hate to call you dense, Dance... but you really are quite the dunce.
> >
> > As to the name, see above.
> >
> > Hopefully I've explained it clearly enough for even you to understand.
> I think it's all understandable to everyone. Your claim that:
> > Childish George was calling PJ Ross (and practically everyone else) barnyard names and similarly childish fare; while Michael Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil at AAPC.
>
> - was revisionism, instead. In fact, you were already calling PJ Ross names; and when you discovered that I was calling PJ Ross Piggy, your response was to laugh out loud and start calling him "Piggy" too: (monkey see, monkey do).
>
> Not that there's anything wrong with calling PJ Ross Piggy. What is wrong is your lying about it, and claiming you were "taking the high road" and "trying to keep things civil" instead. As repeatedly noted, your word cannot be trusted.
> > > > > To be continued. For those who wish to read the whole thread, it can be found here:
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/ypjMTZkSb5w/m/BUf_TAino8IJ?hl=en
> Now that you've shown that you were in fact name-calling, there may be no need to give other examples of your name-calling. But, rest assured, they're all still in the archives as needed.

Well put... ha ha.

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 11:33:23 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:05:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
> > > before I got here.
> > > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > I, otoh, take the high road
> >
> > > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> > > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> > > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
> > > on aapc.
> >
> > > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
> > > that MMP taking "the high road" when he found out abouf "Piggy".
> > > <quote>
> > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> > > 8/5/14
> > > to
> >
> > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
> >
> > > George Dance:
> > > Let me count the ways:
> >
> > > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> > > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> > > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> > > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> > > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
> > > /Lord of the Flies/.
> >
> > > See, it's a perfect name for you.
> >
> > > MMP:
> > > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
> >
> > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
> >
> > > MMP:
> > > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> > > </q>
> > Michael Pendragon is giving multiple examples of his "high road" this morning, a constant flood of malicious name-calling, lies and misrepresentations.
> >
> > And so it goes.
> What are you braying about now, Donkey?
>
> That I supported George J. Dance when he called PJR "Piggy" 8 1/2 years ago?
>
> Michael Pendragon
> "Thanks for the yank on my wank, General Stank
> I'll be your Bubba and you'll be my skank
> Pull down my tent pants and give me a spank
> And thanks for the yank on my wank, General Stank."
> -- Will Donkey, from The Shadowville Mythos

As the donkey brays, so it goes, so blows Big Trollin' Willy Obsesso...
Why does he obsess with blowin' so? Because that's all he knows!
Obession obsessos always say 'so it goes' while they blow the big troll dung ho!

And so it goes with such sound and furious flurry from an idiot, a poor player spamming and fending for his hour upon the stage until he is heard no more.
And so it will go until the bitter end, not with an encore but with fate's snicker at the simpering whimper...

This is their "real poetry" I suppose
to a donkey and his sock monkey, so it goes
it's just auto correct typos
you shit slinging monkeys, so slings back the donkey
a corrected record you all should know so it must go
on and on with so many nods and hellos

And alas! The ignominy of this impasse
Of someone having to act like an ass
Braying so boldly and behaving so crass
A jack ass so smug in his house of glass
And those his ass editor rate as low class
he harasses to create a hypocritical morass
a "real poetry" shitsty that shows "real class"
in shit slinging by a "victim", yet crass as ass

SO HEAR! Here comes the "real" poetry goons
And flee, flee you hopeful poetry seeking fools
It's never too soon to be free, free of these tools.

Zod wrote:

> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:52:50 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
>> > > > > > > before I got here.
>> > > > > > > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > > I, otoh, take the high road
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
>> > > > > > > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
>> > > > > > > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
>> > > > > > > on aapc.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
>> > > > > > > that MMP [took] when he found out abouf "Piggy".
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > <quote>
>> > > > > > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
>> > > > > > > 8/5/14
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
>> > > > > > > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > George Dance:
>> > > > > > > Let me count the ways:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
>> > > > > > > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
>> > > > > > > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
>> > > > > > > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
>> > > > > > > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
>> > > > > > > /Lord of the Flies/.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > See, it's a perfect name for you.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > MMP:
>> > > > > > > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
>> > > > > > > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > MMP:
>> > > > > > > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
>> > > > > > > </q>
>> > > > > > Good morning George, thanks again for correcting the lies and misrepresentations and for setting the record straight.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > HTH and HAND.
>> > > > > Well, that' s the beginning of the record, anyway. To recap, and add the relevant dates:
>> > > > > (1) on Aug. 1, I, PJ Ross showed up and I addressed him as "Piggy";
>> > > > > (2) on Aug. 2, Piggy asked why I called him Piggy, and I explained. Mr. Monkey read my explanation and "laughed out loud.'.
>> > > > > (3) on Aug. 5, Mr. Monkey began calling Piggy "Piggy John-John Ross" (which he says is from /Lord of the Flies/).
>> > >
>> > > > Stop lying, George. I realize that I'm asking the impossible, but you really need to stop.
>> > > >
>> > > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
>> > > (I still doubt your claim that it is a reference to the book.)
>> > IIRC it was a quote from the 1963 version of the film.
>> According to Piggy Ross, your actual quotes were from a "condensed version" of the book by John Crace, published by the /Guardian/ in 2009 and easily Googlable in 2014 (and today as a matter of fact).
>> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jan/17/lord-flies-william-golding-condensed
>> > > > I never said any such thing.
>> > > Actually, that's exactly what you claimed after I quoted you using the term "Piggy John-John Ross":
>> > > "The above passages were directly quoted from "Lord of the Flies.""
>> > > - and then later, to someone else:
>> > > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
>> > The *quote* ("Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy.") is from the 1963 film version of "Lord of the Flies."
>> No one's disputed the genuineness of that quote. Piggy (being a troll) of course disputed that you'd read the book, insisting that you lifted it from Crace.
>> > The name "Piggy John-John Ross" is not.
>> Which explains why ""George doesn't appear to have recognized it" as a quote": Because it wasn't a quote, but your own name-calling.
>> > You may recall (although, obviously, you don't) that I had been calling him "Peter John-John Ross." When you began calling him "Piggy," I changed "Peter John-John Ross" to "Piggy John-John Ross."
>> >
>> Which explains why ""George ... thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names." Because that is in fact what you were doing..
>> > There is no "John-John" character in either the book or the film.
>> Which I've already verified. But thanks for Googling.
>> > > > > But that's not the entire record; we've only just begun. Here's the monkey's next post, also from Aug. 5:
>> > > > > <quote>
>> > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
>> > > > > <whinesnip>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > MMP: And he cried "Wee! Wee! Wee!" all the way home.
>> > > > > </q>
>> > > > Um... that's another literary reference, George.
>> > > >
>> > > > Hell, I think even our resident Donkey recognizes that one.
>> > > So your first and second uses of "Piggy John-John Ross" were allegedly quoted from /Lord of the Fiies, while your third allegedly came from "This little piggy ...". Since I don't remember that name used in either source, and I really don't believe that anyone else does, either, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you for cites.
>> > >
>> > I hate to call you dense, Dance... but you really are quite the dunce.
>> >
>> > As to the name, see above.
>> >
>> > Hopefully I've explained it clearly enough for even you to understand.
>> I think it's all understandable to everyone. Your claim that:
>> > Childish George was calling PJ Ross (and practically everyone else) barnyard names and similarly childish fare; while Michael Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil at AAPC.
>>
>> - was revisionism, instead. In fact, you were already calling PJ Ross names; and when you discovered that I was calling PJ Ross Piggy, your response was to laugh out loud and start calling him "Piggy" too: (monkey see, monkey do).
>>
>> Not that there's anything wrong with calling PJ Ross Piggy. What is wrong is your lying about it, and claiming you were "taking the high road" and "trying to keep things civil" instead. As repeatedly noted, your word cannot be trusted.
>> > > > > To be continued. For those who wish to read the whole thread, it can be found here:
>> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/ypjMTZkSb5w/m/BUf_TAino8IJ?hl=en
>> Now that you've shown that you were in fact name-calling, there may be no need to give other examples of your name-calling. But, rest assured, they're all still in the archives as needed.

> Well put... ha ha.

Agreed.

🙂

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:14:48 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 11:33:23 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:05:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
> > > > before I got here.
> > > > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > I, otoh, take the high road
> > >
> > > > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> > > > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> > > > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
> > > > on aapc.
> > >
> > > > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
> > > > that MMP taking "the high road" when he found out abouf "Piggy".
> > > > <quote>
> > > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> > > > 8/5/14
> > > > to
> > >
> > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
> > >
> > > > George Dance:
> > > > Let me count the ways:
> > >
> > > > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> > > > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> > > > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> > > > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> > > > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
> > > > /Lord of the Flies/.
> > >
> > > > See, it's a perfect name for you.
> > >
> > > > MMP:
> > > > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
> > >
> > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
> > >
> > > > MMP:
> > > > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> > > > </q>
> > > Michael Pendragon is giving multiple examples of his "high road" this morning, a constant flood of malicious name-calling, lies and misrepresentations.
> > >
> > > And so it goes.
> > What are you braying about now, Donkey?
> >
> > That I supported George J. Dance when he called PJR "Piggy" 8 1/2 years ago?
> >
> > Michael Pendragon
> > "Thanks for the yank on my wank, General Stank
> > I'll be your Bubba and you'll be my skank
> > Pull down my tent pants and give me a spank
> > And thanks for the yank on my wank, General Stank."
> > -- Will Donkey, from The Shadowville Mythos
> As the donkey brays, so it goes, so blows Big Trollin' Willy Obsesso...
> Why does he obsess with blowin' so? Because that's all he knows!
> Obession obsessos always say 'so it goes' while they blow the big troll dung ho!
>
> And so it goes with such sound and furious flurry from an idiot, a poor player spamming and fending for his hour upon the stage until he is heard no more.
> And so it will go until the bitter end, not with an encore but with fate's snicker at the simpering whimper...
>
> This is their "real poetry" I suppose
> to a donkey and his sock monkey, so it goes
> it's just auto correct typos
> you shit slinging monkeys, so slings back the donkey
> a corrected record you all should know so it must go
> on and on with so many nods and hellos
>
> And alas! The ignominy of this impasse
> Of someone having to act like an ass
> Braying so boldly and behaving so crass
> A jack ass so smug in his house of glass
> And those his ass editor rate as low class
> he harasses to create a hypocritical morass
> a "real poetry" shitsty that shows "real class"
> in shit slinging by a "victim", yet crass as ass
>
> SO HEAR! Here comes the "real" poetry goons
> And flee, flee you hopeful poetry seeking fools
> It's never too soon to be free, free of these tools.

Well put, Mr. Wurthing. You've nailed it.

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:52:50 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:18:43 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:47:30 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:06:52 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:30:21 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:35:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
> > > > > > > before I got here.
> > > > > > > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > I, otoh, take the high road
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> > > > > > > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> > > > > > > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
> > > > > > > on aapc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
> > > > > > > that MMP [took] when he found out abouf "Piggy".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > <quote>
> > > > > > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > 8/5/14
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > > > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > George Dance:
> > > > > > > Let me count the ways:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> > > > > > > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> > > > > > > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> > > > > > > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> > > > > > > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
> > > > > > > /Lord of the Flies/.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > See, it's a perfect name for you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > MMP:
> > > > > > > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > > > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > MMP:
> > > > > > > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> > > > > > > </q>
> > > > > > Good morning George, thanks again for correcting the lies and misrepresentations and for setting the record straight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > > Well, that' s the beginning of the record, anyway. To recap, and add the relevant dates:
> > > > > (1) on Aug. 1, I, PJ Ross showed up and I addressed him as "Piggy";
> > > > > (2) on Aug. 2, Piggy asked why I called him Piggy, and I explained. Mr. Monkey read my explanation and "laughed out loud.'.
> > > > > (3) on Aug. 5, Mr. Monkey began calling Piggy "Piggy John-John Ross" (which he says is from /Lord of the Flies/).
> > >
> > > > Stop lying, George. I realize that I'm asking the impossible, but you really need to stop.
> > > >
> > > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
> > > (I still doubt your claim that it is a reference to the book.)
> > IIRC it was a quote from the 1963 version of the film.
> According to Piggy Ross, your actual quotes were from a "condensed version" of the book by John Crace, published by the /Guardian/ in 2009 and easily Googlable in 2014 (and today as a matter of fact).
> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jan/17/lord-flies-william-golding-condensed
> > > > I never said any such thing.
> > > Actually, that's exactly what you claimed after I quoted you using the term "Piggy John-John Ross":
> > > "The above passages were directly quoted from "Lord of the Flies.""
> > > - and then later, to someone else:
> > > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
> > The *quote* ("Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy.") is from the 1963 film version of "Lord of the Flies."
> No one's disputed the genuineness of that quote. Piggy (being a troll) of course disputed that you'd read the book, insisting that you lifted it from Crace.
> > The name "Piggy John-John Ross" is not.
> Which explains why ""George doesn't appear to have recognized it" as a quote": Because it wasn't a quote, but your own name-calling.
> > You may recall (although, obviously, you don't) that I had been calling him "Peter John-John Ross." When you began calling him "Piggy," I changed "Peter John-John Ross" to "Piggy John-John Ross."
> >
> Which explains why ""George ... thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names." Because that is in fact what you were doing..
> > There is no "John-John" character in either the book or the film.
> Which I've already verified. But thanks for Googling.
> > > > > But that's not the entire record; we've only just begun. Here's the monkey's next post, also from Aug. 5:
> > > > > <quote>
> > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > > > > <whinesnip>
> > > > >
> > > > > MMP: And he cried "Wee! Wee! Wee!" all the way home.
> > > > > </q>
> > > > Um... that's another literary reference, George.
> > > >
> > > > Hell, I think even our resident Donkey recognizes that one.
> > > So your first and second uses of "Piggy John-John Ross" were allegedly quoted from /Lord of the Fiies, while your third allegedly came from "This little piggy ...". Since I don't remember that name used in either source, and I really don't believe that anyone else does, either, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you for cites.
> > >
> > I hate to call you dense, Dance... but you really are quite the dunce.
> >
> > As to the name, see above.
> >
> > Hopefully I've explained it clearly enough for even you to understand.
> I think it's all understandable to everyone. Your claim that:
> > Childish George was calling PJ Ross (and practically everyone else) barnyard names and similarly childish fare; while Michael Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil at AAPC.
>
> - was revisionism, instead. In fact, you were already calling PJ Ross names; and when you discovered that I was calling PJ Ross Piggy, your response was to laugh out loud and start calling him "Piggy" too: (monkey see, monkey do).
>
> Not that there's anything wrong with calling PJ Ross Piggy. What is wrong is your lying about it, and claiming you were "taking the high road" and "trying to keep things civil" instead. As repeatedly noted, your word cannot be trusted.
> > > > > To be continued. For those who wish to read the whole thread, it can be found here:
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/ypjMTZkSb5w/m/BUf_TAino8IJ?hl=en
> Now that you've shown that you were in fact name-calling, there may be no need to give other examples of your name-calling. But, rest assured, they're all still in the archives as needed.

Well put, George, you nailed it.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:35:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
> > before I got here.
> > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > I, otoh, take the high road
>
> > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
> > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
> > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
> > on aapc.
>
> > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
> > that MMP taking "the high road" when he found out abouf "Piggy".
>
> > <quote>
> > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
> > 8/5/14
> > to
>
> > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
>
> > George Dance:
> > Let me count the ways:
>
> > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
> > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
> > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
> > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
> > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
> > /Lord of the Flies/.
>
> > See, it's a perfect name for you.
>
> > MMP:
> > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
>
> > Piggy John-John Ross:
> > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
>
> > MMP:
> > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
> > </q>
> Good morning George, thanks again for correcting the lies and misrepresentations and for setting the record straight.
>
> HTH and HAND.

Quite rightly....

George Dance wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:18:43 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:47:30 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:06:52 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:30:21 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:35:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On 2022-12-13 10:03 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > George was calling PJR (and others) barnyard names like "Piggy" long
>> > > > > > before I got here.
>> > > > > > On 2022-12-13 3:59 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > I, otoh, take the high road
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Interesting revisionist history: Mean old George was calling poor
>> > > > > > saintly PJ Ross "barnyard names like Piggy", while Michael Monkey
>> > > > > > Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil
>> > > > > > on aapc.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > For those interested in what really happened, though, here's the road
>> > > > > > that MMP [took] when he found out abouf "Piggy".
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > <quote>
>> > > > > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com
>> > > > > > 8/5/14
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
>> > > > > > Remind me of why you call me "Piggy".
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > George Dance:
>> > > > > > Let me count the ways:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > (1) You have the grace and manners of a pig.
>> > > > > > (2) You have the writing skills of a pig.
>> > > > > > (3) You like to shit all over newsgroups, and
>> > > > > > (4) You love rolling around in your own shit
>> > > > > > (5) There's also a literary allusion: you remind me the little twerp in
>> > > > > > /Lord of the Flies/.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > See, it's a perfect name for you.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > MMP:
>> > > > > > I laughed out loud at that one! :-D
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
>> > > > > > "I don't care as long as you don't call me Piggy like people done before."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > MMP:
>> > > > > > "Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy."
>> > > > > > </q>
>> > > > > Good morning George, thanks again for correcting the lies and misrepresentations and for setting the record straight.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > HTH and HAND.
>> > > > Well, that' s the beginning of the record, anyway. To recap, and add the relevant dates:
>> > > > (1) on Aug. 1, I, PJ Ross showed up and I addressed him as "Piggy";
>> > > > (2) on Aug. 2, Piggy asked why I called him Piggy, and I explained. Mr. Monkey read my explanation and "laughed out loud.'.
>> > > > (3) on Aug. 5, Mr. Monkey began calling Piggy "Piggy John-John Ross" (which he says is from /Lord of the Flies/).
>> >
>> > > Stop lying, George. I realize that I'm asking the impossible, but you really need to stop.
>> > >
>> > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
>> > (I still doubt your claim that it is a reference to the book.)
>> IIRC it was a quote from the 1963 version of the film.

> According to Piggy Ross, your actual quotes were from a "condensed version" of the book by John Crace, published by the /Guardian/ in 2009 and easily Googlable in 2014 (and today as a matter of fact).
> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jan/17/lord-flies-william-golding-condensed

>> > > I never said any such thing.
>> > Actually, that's exactly what you claimed after I quoted you using the term "Piggy John-John Ross":
>> > "The above passages were directly quoted from "Lord of the Flies.""
>> > - and then later, to someone else:
>> > "George doesn't appear to have recognized it, since he thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names."
>> The *quote* ("Then I shall call you Piggy, too. Piggy, Piggy, Piggy.") is from the 1963 film version of "Lord of the Flies."

> No one's disputed the genuineness of that quote. Piggy (being a troll) of course disputed that you'd read the book, insisting that you lifted it from Crace.

>> The name "Piggy John-John Ross" is not.

> Which explains why ""George doesn't appear to have recognized it" as a quote": Because it wasn't a quote, but your own name-calling.

>> You may recall (although, obviously, you don't) that I had been calling him "Peter John-John Ross." When you began calling him "Piggy," I changed "Peter John-John Ross" to "Piggy John-John Ross."
>>

> Which explains why ""George ... thinks I was joining him in calling people by childish, barnyard names." Because that is in fact what you were doing.

>> There is no "John-John" character in either the book or the film.

> Which I've already verified. But thanks for Googling.

>> > > > But that's not the entire record; we've only just begun. Here's the monkey's next post, also from Aug. 5:
>> > > > <quote>
>> > > > Piggy John-John Ross:
>> > > > <whinesnip>
>> > > >
>> > > > MMP: And he cried "Wee! Wee! Wee!" all the way home.
>> > > > </q>
>> > > Um... that's another literary reference, George.
>> > >
>> > > Hell, I think even our resident Donkey recognizes that one.
>> > So your first and second uses of "Piggy John-John Ross" were allegedly quoted from /Lord of the Fiies, while your third allegedly came from "This little piggy ...". Since I don't remember that name used in either source, and I really don't believe that anyone else does, either, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you for cites.
>> >
>> I hate to call you dense, Dance... but you really are quite the dunce.
>>
>> As to the name, see above.
>>
>> Hopefully I've explained it clearly enough for even you to understand.

> I think it's all understandable to everyone. Your claim that:
>> Childish George was calling PJ Ross (and practically everyone else) barnyard names and similarly childish fare; while Michael Pendragon (MMP) was taking the high road and trying to keep things civil at AAPC.

> - was revisionism, instead. In fact, you were already calling PJ Ross names; and when you discovered that I was calling PJ Ross Piggy, your response was to laugh out loud and start calling him "Piggy" too: (monkey see, monkey do).

> Not that there's anything wrong with calling PJ Ross Piggy. What is wrong is your lying about it, and claiming you were "taking the high road" and "trying to keep things civil" instead. As repeatedly noted, your word cannot be trusted.

>> > > > To be continued. For those who wish to read the whole thread, it can be found here:
>> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/ypjMTZkSb5w/m/BUf_TAino8IJ?hl=en

> Now that you've shown that you were in fact name-calling, there may be no need to give other examples of your name-calling. But, rest assured, they're all still in the archives as needed.

Good morning, George, well put.

🙂