> anim8rfsk
>
> The last time I was in LA, in Hollywood, I came across an amazing system. I
> went with a friends wife to the grocery store, and because she was using a
> check

https://i.postimg.cc/g0jVcbmD/1011009.jpg

danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> In <330094712.722290094.233395.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> writes:
>
> [snip]
>>> So under no circumstances should you use the phone
>>> number associated with, say, a former US Rep,
>>> head to Barnes and Noble, and purchase a dozen
>>> copies of the Joys of gay Sex.
>
>> LOL!
>
>> I had a guy in line behind me ask if he could use my card and he was
>> absolutely shocked when I said no. But who knows what he's going to buy
>
> Misc story: about six months into the serious disruptions from the pandemic
> I went to Costco. The person in front of me turned out to have an expired
> membership. Cashier asked if she wanted to renew and she said she didn't
> have the budget for it.
>
> I handed the cashier my basic membership card (not the credit version)
> and they both used it. (Not something they'd normally accept without
> lots of grumbling but... pandemic...)
>
> The cashier warned me the other person had just bought some chicken
> so I wouldn't be able to buy any for another 24 hours... Fortunately
> that wasn't a problem.

lol

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Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2023-11-21 09:07:46 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
>>
>> The last time I was in LA, in Hollywood, I came across an amazing system. I
>> went with a friends wife to the grocery store, and because she was using a
>> check she had to go to a preapproval window over in the corner of the store
>> and tell them how much she was going to spend. Already I see flaws in the
>> system. So she tells them and we go shopping and we go to check out. The
>> checker tells her how much it is. She writes the amount in the first entry
>> box on the check and the checker tell her no that’s not right it’s actually
>> $.10 different or something. So she has to scratch out that number And
>> write the new one in and then writes the new number in the other entry
>> line. At which point the checker tells her oh no that’s not right it was
>> actually $.12 more or whatever. So she has to scratch that out and initial
>> it and write the new number in there. At which point the checker says she
>> can’t take the check because She’s changed both entry lines. can we write
>> another check? No because the check preapproval is tied to that specific
>> check number. So we have to go back to the Check preapproval window where
>> they tell us they can’t approve another check because it’s too soon. At
>> this point, I’m screaming for the manager, but he won’t do a thing. luckily
>> I was traveling so I had a wallet full of cash and bought the groceries for
>> her. But Jesus fucking Christ.
>
> Cheques have been discountinued in New Zealand and can no longer be
> used for anything. Even cheques sent from overseas are (or soon will
> be) unusable here.
>
> Even when cheques were able to be used, I don't think there was ever
> any "pre-approval" nonsense at shops, only in the bank when getting the
> cheque book account.

This is the only time I’ve ever seen a system like that. But Californians
take it in stride.

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Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>> anim8rfsk
>>
>> The last time I was in LA, in Hollywood, I came across an amazing system. I
>> went with a friends wife to the grocery store, and because she was using a
>> check
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/g0jVcbmD/1011009.jpg
>

Lol

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On 11/21/2023 5:47 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-21 09:07:46 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
>>>
>>> The last time I was in LA, in Hollywood, I came across an amazing system. I
>>> went with a friends wife to the grocery store, and because she was using a
>>> check she had to go to a preapproval window over in the corner of the store
>>> and tell them how much she was going to spend. Already I see flaws in the
>>> system. So she tells them and we go shopping and we go to check out. The
>>> checker tells her how much it is. She writes the amount in the first entry
>>> box on the check and the checker tell her no that’s not right it’s actually
>>> $.10 different or something. So she has to scratch out that number And
>>> write the new one in and then writes the new number in the other entry
>>> line. At which point the checker tells her oh no that’s not right it was
>>> actually $.12 more or whatever. So she has to scratch that out and initial
>>> it and write the new number in there. At which point the checker says she
>>> can’t take the check because She’s changed both entry lines. can we write
>>> another check? No because the check preapproval is tied to that specific
>>> check number. So we have to go back to the Check preapproval window where
>>> they tell us they can’t approve another check because it’s too soon. At
>>> this point, I’m screaming for the manager, but he won’t do a thing. luckily
>>> I was traveling so I had a wallet full of cash and bought the groceries for
>>> her. But Jesus fucking Christ.
>>
>> Cheques have been discountinued in New Zealand and can no longer be
>> used for anything. Even cheques sent from overseas are (or soon will
>> be) unusable here.
>>
>> Even when cheques were able to be used, I don't think there was ever
>> any "pre-approval" nonsense at shops, only in the bank when getting the
>> cheque book account.
>
> This is the only time I’ve ever seen a system like that. But Californians
> take it in stride.
>
Uh, no, we don't. I've never heard of this happening before and if some
store tried to pull it on me I'd walk out and probably file a complaint
with the Better Business Bureau if not the DA.

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dirty old man.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>try the self checkout.

You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
there's either a till outage or they run out of salt. And we're in a
fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.

My son once spent an hour outside shovelling the sidewalk in -10 only
to have the plow come by and shovel all the snow from the road gutters
.... back onto the sidewalk.

He swore he would never shovel snow anywhere for us except our
driveway and until the day he moved out never did...

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
><nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>try the self checkout.
>
>You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.

No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
from icing up (and the potential law suit.)

>And we're in a
>fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.

What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
men?

>My son once spent an hour outside shovelling the sidewalk in -10 only
>to have the plow come by and shovel all the snow from the road gutters
>... back onto the sidewalk.
>
>He swore he would never shovel snow anywhere for us except our
>driveway and until the day he moved out never did...

Yeah, I can still remember being a little kid all bundled up just so I
could walk down the block to my school. Though I also remember
sledding down the hill at the local community college. This was all in
Champagne , Illinois many years ago. If you don't have to get out and
about in the snow it can be fun but otherwise it's not for me. Though
I will say they do a good job of keeping the roads clear as I had to
go back up there one winter for work to Elgin, Ill, and the roads were
clear of all the snow and ice.

In article <qcarlilkp098iapl2cb6rh0q8g6a5ls1li@4ax.com>, The Horny Goat
<lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
> >At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
> >try the self checkout.
>
> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt. And we're in a
> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>
> My son once spent an hour outside shovelling the sidewalk in -10 only
> to have the plow come by and shovel all the snow from the road gutters
> ... back onto the sidewalk.
>
> He swore he would never shovel snow anywhere for us except our
> driveway and until the day he moved out never did...

We don't often get a big snow, but the last time we did I had our
driveway and walkway cleared within a couple of hours. I came out a
little while later to find that the county had plowed all the snow in
our court into our driveway. The plow guy (who knew exactly what he
was doing) was still there, so I attacked his vehicle with my shovel.
I got in a couple of good hits before he fled.

On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>> try the self checkout.
>>
>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>
> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>
>> And we're in a
>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>
> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
> men?
>
Its something snow farmers use. Hey, someone has to grow all that snow!

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dirty old man.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>
>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>
>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>
>>> And we're in a
>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>
>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>> men?
>>
>Its something snow farmers use. Hey, someone has to grow all that snow!

I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
the drought they've been having out west.

On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>
>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>
>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>
>>>> And we're in a
>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>
>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>> men?
>>>
>> Its something snow farmers use. Hey, someone has to grow all that snow!
>
> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
> the drought they've been having out west.

I'm in that "out west" but not in a part that gets snow or snow melt as
part of our water supply.

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:22:41 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>from icing up (and the potential law suit.)

As a Canadian where would you tell me to move? (Bear in mind that I
>DO< live in Vancouver which has the mildest weather of any Canadian
city over 1/2 million people)

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:41:20 -0500, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

>In article <qcarlilkp098iapl2cb6rh0q8g6a5ls1li@4ax.com>, The Horny Goat
><lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>
>> >At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>> >try the self checkout.
>>
>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt. And we're in a
>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>
>> My son once spent an hour outside shovelling the sidewalk in -10 only
>> to have the plow come by and shovel all the snow from the road gutters
>> ... back onto the sidewalk.
>>
>> He swore he would never shovel snow anywhere for us except our
>> driveway and until the day he moved out never did...
>
>
>We don't often get a big snow, but the last time we did I had our
>driveway and walkway cleared within a couple of hours. I came out a
>little while later to find that the county had plowed all the snow in
>our court into our driveway. The plow guy (who knew exactly what he
>was doing) was still there, so I attacked his vehicle with my shovel.
>I got in a couple of good hits before he fled.

One thing I forgot to mention in my previous posting was that after my
son did his duty - and really did do a good job - that plow came and
undid his efforts no more than 5-10 minutes after he came inside, just
gotten his wet gear off and was starting to drink the hot chocolate my
wife had prepared for him.

On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>
>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>
>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>
>>>> And we're in a
>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>
>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>> men?
>>>
>> Its something snow farmers use. Hey, someone has to grow all that snow!
>
> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
> the drought they've been having out west.
>
The southern third of the country is supposed to be very wet this year.
So that will help areas that get snow and have reservoirs to store rain.

On 11/22/2023 11:06 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>>
>>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;)  We have had only a couple
>>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>>
>>>>> And we're in a
>>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>>
>>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>>> men?
>>>>
>>> Its something snow farmers use.  Hey, someone has to grow all that snow!
>>
>> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
>> the drought they've been having out west.
>
> I'm in that "out west" but not in a part that gets snow or snow melt as
> part of our water supply.
>
Doesn't your water come from snow/reservoirs in the Sierra?

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:06:18 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>>
>>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>>
>>>>> And we're in a
>>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>>
>>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>>> men?
>>>>
>>> Its something snow farmers use. Hey, someone has to grow all that snow!
>>
>> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
>> the drought they've been having out west.
>
>I'm in that "out west" but not in a part that gets snow or snow melt as
>part of our water supply.

Ah, but when they harvest the crop they can then ship it anywhere.
Even to your doorstep. ;)

On 11/22/2023 11:36 AM, suzeeq wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 11:06 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;)  We have had only a couple
>>>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>>>
>>>>>> And we're in a
>>>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>>>> men?
>>>>>
>>>> Its something snow farmers use.  Hey, someone has to grow all that
>>>> snow!
>>>
>>> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
>>> the drought they've been having out west.
>>
>> I'm in that "out west" but not in a part that gets snow or snow melt
>> as part of our water supply.
>>
> Doesn't your water come from snow/reservoirs in the Sierra?
>
Nope. My county relies entirely on reservoirs inside the county. The
water authority has an agreement with a neighboring county for some
water from their major river during droughts but you can imagine how
well that works.

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dirty old man.

On 11/22/2023 12:08 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:06:18 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>>>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>>>
>>>>>> And we're in a
>>>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>>>> men?
>>>>>
>>>> Its something snow farmers use. Hey, someone has to grow all that snow!
>>>
>>> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
>>> the drought they've been having out west.
>>
>> I'm in that "out west" but not in a part that gets snow or snow melt as
>> part of our water supply.
>
> Ah, but when they harvest the crop they can then ship it anywhere.
> Even to your doorstep. ;)

*whoosh* Dafuq?

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:14:09 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:22:41 -0500, shawn
><nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>>of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>
>As a Canadian where would you tell me to move? (Bear in mind that I
>>DO< live in Vancouver which has the mildest weather of any Canadian
>city over 1/2 million people)

Anywhere in the southern portions of the USA would be fine. Basically
try and hug the southern border because if you get into Tennessee or
Kentucky you will run into snow. Nothing like our northern states but
enough that it can be an issue. But
Georgia/Alabama/Louisiana/Mississippi/southern
Texas/Arizona/NM/California are all going to be free of any large
accumulation of snow. There's a wild variation in temps/rainfall and
your choice of potential tornadoes, wildfires and earthquakes you can
experience depending upon which state you choose.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:39:54 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 11/22/2023 12:08 PM, shawn wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:06:18 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>>>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>>>>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>>>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>>>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>>>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we're in a
>>>>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>>>>> men?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its something snow farmers use. Hey, someone has to grow all that snow!
>>>>
>>>> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
>>>> the drought they've been having out west.
>>>
>>> I'm in that "out west" but not in a part that gets snow or snow melt as
>>> part of our water supply.
>>
>> Ah, but when they harvest the crop they can then ship it anywhere.
>> Even to your doorstep. ;)
>
>*whoosh* Dafuq?

If you've got snow farmers then there's clearly a crop being farmed
that has to be farmed. When they gather in the yearly snow crop it's
ready to be shipped where ever it is needed. Even to your doorstep.

Couldn't be clearer. ;)

On 11/22/2023 2:39 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 11:36 AM, suzeeq wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 11:06 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>>>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;)  We have had only a couple
>>>>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>>>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>>>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we're in a
>>>>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>>>>> men?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its something snow farmers use.  Hey, someone has to grow all that
>>>>> snow!
>>>>
>>>> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
>>>> the drought they've been having out west.
>>>
>>> I'm in that "out west" but not in a part that gets snow or snow melt
>>> as part of our water supply.
>>>
>> Doesn't your water come from snow/reservoirs in the Sierra?
>>
> Nope.  My county relies entirely on reservoirs inside the county.  The
> water authority has an agreement with a neighboring county for some
> water from their major river during droughts but you can imagine how
> well that works.
>
Yeah. Is that CC county?

On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:14:09 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:22:41 -0500, shawn
>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>> >from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>
>> As a Canadian where would you tell me to move? (Bear in mind that I
>>> DO< live in Vancouver which has the mildest weather of any Canadian
>> city over 1/2 million people)
>
> Anywhere in the southern portions of the USA would be fine. Basically
> try and hug the southern border because if you get into Tennessee or
> Kentucky you will run into snow. Nothing like our northern states but
> enough that it can be an issue. But
> Georgia/Alabama/Louisiana/Mississippi/southern
> Texas/Arizona/NM/California are all going to be free of any large
> accumulation of snow. There's a wild variation in temps/rainfall and
> your choice of potential tornadoes, wildfires and earthquakes you can
> experience depending upon which state you choose.
>
Well, SoCal, along with AZ and NM have mountains where it snows.

On 11/22/2023 3:33 PM, suzeeq wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 2:39 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 11:36 AM, suzeeq wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2023 11:06 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the
>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>>>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>>>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>>>>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;)  We have had only a
>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>>>>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>>>>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And we're in a
>>>>>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>>>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>>>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>>>>>> men?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its something snow farmers use.  Hey, someone has to grow all that
>>>>>> snow!
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
>>>>> the drought they've been having out west.
>>>>
>>>> I'm in that "out west" but not in a part that gets snow or snow melt
>>>> as part of our water supply.
>>>>
>>> Doesn't your water come from snow/reservoirs in the Sierra?
>>>
>> Nope.  My county relies entirely on reservoirs inside the county.  The
>> water authority has an agreement with a neighboring county for some
>> water from their major river during droughts but you can imagine how
>> well that works.
>>
> Yeah.  Is that CC county?

No.

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dirty old man.

On 11/22/2023 2:54 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:39:54 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> On 11/22/2023 12:08 PM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:06:18 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2023 10:09 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:47:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:22 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:02 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 04:24:48 -0500, shawn
>>>>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At Home Depot I've never seen a long line so never felt the need to
>>>>>>>>> try the self checkout.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've obviously never been there the morning after a snowfall when
>>>>>>>> everyone's trying to buy those 20 lb bags of salt - and inevitably
>>>>>>>> there's either a till outage or they run out of salt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I've been smart enough not to live in an area where one needs to
>>>>>>> buy those 20 lb bags of salt regularly. ;) We have had only a couple
>>>>>>> of times over the past few decades where a bag of salt might have been
>>>>>>> a good thing to have. Otherwise the only people using such bags of
>>>>>>> salt are businesses who put out some salt to prevent the sidewalks
>>>>>>> from icing up (and the potential law suit.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And we're in a
>>>>>>>> fairly hilly area so the ROADS are clear since the municipal work
>>>>>>>> crews brine the roads when snow is forecasted but the plows always
>>>>>>>> plow whatever snow falls to block driveways and sidewalks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is this thing you call a snow plow? Is it used for making snow
>>>>>>> men?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its something snow farmers use. Hey, someone has to grow all that snow!
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope they have a good harvest this winter. It should help out with
>>>>> the drought they've been having out west.
>>>>
>>>> I'm in that "out west" but not in a part that gets snow or snow melt as
>>>> part of our water supply.
>>>
>>> Ah, but when they harvest the crop they can then ship it anywhere.
>>> Even to your doorstep. ;)
>>
>> *whoosh* Dafuq?
>
> If you've got snow farmers then there's clearly a crop being farmed
> that has to be farmed. When they gather in the yearly snow crop it's
> ready to be shipped where ever it is needed. Even to your doorstep.
>
> Couldn't be clearer. ;)

But that was half-a-dozen posts ago! How am I supposed to remember that
far back?!

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dirty old man.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:52:25 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>Anywhere in the southern portions of the USA would be fine. Basically
>try and hug the southern border because if you get into Tennessee or
>Kentucky you will run into snow. Nothing like our northern states but
>enough that it can be an issue. But
>Georgia/Alabama/Louisiana/Mississippi/southern
>Texas/Arizona/NM/California are all going to be free of any large
>accumulation of snow. There's a wild variation in temps/rainfall and
>your choice of potential tornadoes, wildfires and earthquakes you can
>experience depending upon which state you choose.

Ironically enough I once saw snow in a shady area in the mountain pass
on the highway from LA to Palm Springs - on the Saturday between Good
Friday and Easter - though I do take your point.

Obviously pretty much anywhere can under exceptional cases have snow -
Hong Kong once did though the recorded temperature that day was 1C
(about 33-34F) and that's a lot further south than anywhere in the US
even Hawaii.

But no question the odds against snow are much better in the places
you cite. (Haven't seen all that much of the Deep South but have seen
NC, GA and FL - and driven the highway from Orlando to Miami)