Idlehands wrote:

> On 2023-10-19 7:37 a.m., Blueshirt wrote:
> > The True Doctor wrote:
> > >
> > > And you wonder why the show was cancelled and Chibnall and Whittaker
> > > were sacked.
> >
> > Please cite a source that backs up your claim that Chibnall and
> > Whittaker were sacked.
> >
> > I could certainly believe Chris Chibnall was quietly pushed, but IIRC
> > Jodie always talked of leaving the role after a certain period of
> > time... and five years is long enough for one Doctor. (IMHO of
> > course.)
>
> Using logic and facts with Aggy just isn't fair since they don't exist
> in whatever universe he resides in.

Agamemnon has access to the same internet that I have and I'm sure there
was talk of a three/four series and out pact between Jodie Whittaker and
Chris Chibnall... I just couldn't find the link when I wanted to.

The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> On 19/10/2023 14:37, Blueshirt wrote:
>> The True Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>> And you wonder why the show was cancelled and Chibnall and Whittaker
>>> were sacked.
>>
>> Please cite a source that backs up you claim that Chibnall and Whittaker
>> were sacked.
>>
>> I could certainly believe Chris Chibnall was quietly pushed, but IIRC
>> Jodie always talked of leaving the role after a certain period of time...
>> and five years is long enough for one Doctor. (IMHO of course.)
>
> Given that we know that RTD has already written half of Gatwa's second
> series and he isn't even half way through filming the first

What you know is wrong. The 60th anniversary specials completed filming in
July 2022: series 14 completed in July 2023: the Christmas special for 2023
has been completed: and production of series 15 has begun. Series 15 will
be 9 episodes long, one more than the 8 of series 14.

> it is clear
> that half way through filming Whittaker's second series when the BBC saw
> the degenerate amateur fan fiction that he had written for the third
> series and the plummeting ratings that they gave him the sack on the
> spot by not renewing his contract which was up for review.

That’s all nonsense made up in your head. Nothing about what Bad Wolf and
RTD are doing make anything clear with regard to Chibnall’s era. No-one
connected to the show has ever suggested that he be sacked.

> Since
> Chibnall was sacked Whittaker had to go too as no new show runner would
> be willing to work with such a talentless actress with no stage
> presence, gravitas, or charisma, that didn't make any effort at all to
> learn or understand the character of the Doctor.

Nothing but minority opinion. Bafflegab sustaining an utterly spurious
chain of what is definitely not logic or reasoning.

> Jo Martin did a better
> job than Whittaker wither only 15 minutes of screen time.

Also opinion, but yes she did do a fair job.

>
> Chibnall was given his bag and shown through the door and Whittaker
> followed him knowing she had no future left on the show.

Pure speculation with no basis even in rumour other than from a few
snowflake “fans” making shit up.

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Blueshirt wrote:

>
>

Clearly one of my more intelligent posts! :-)

Blueshirt wrote:

>
>

Clearly one of my more intelligent posts! :-)

The Last Doctor wrote:

> The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> >
> > Chibnall was given his bag and shown through the door and Whittaker
> > followed him knowing she had no future left on the show.
>
> Pure speculation with no basis even in rumour other than from a few
> snowflake “fans” making shit up.

I frequent a good few Doctor Who forums and nobody has ever claimed they
were sacked. So it's definitely not a rumour that has much traction. The
only person I have seen making that claim is Agamemnon here on RADW. So
yes, without Agamemnon citing a source/posting a link I have to assume
that it is just wishful thinking on his part.

In article <xn0o89w81w958rg000@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Daniel65 wrote:
>>
>> Aggy, what the asswipe is trying to say is that he, the asswipe,
>> instigated a Filter on his server to remove any and all posts
>> origination from Groups.Google.
>
>Well done Dave! <claps>
>

Thank you!

>> A bit of Overkill
>
>Overkill, maybe. But with all the GG spam flooding a variety of newsgroups
>a logical step for a news service to take.

Exactly!!

>
>I only have one newsgroup that my groups.google.com filter isn't 'ticked'
>on, and I only see one white-listed GG poster here, the Kid. I have to say
>my Usenet experience has been very enjoyable for the past few weeks now
>that I have configured my newsreader to download what I want to see and
>not bother with what I don't!
>
>I will review my filters at Halloween and with the advent of new Doctor
>Who episodes I hope we can have some lively on-topic discussion here from
>everyone... new Doctor Who is always welcome.

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In article <xn0o89w9vw97vhm001@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The True Doctor wrote:
>>
>> Has Tim the spammer finally being banned from usenet?
>
>I wouldn't think so, but I've not seen any of his spam for months.

Only through 3rd parties!
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In article <xn0o89whpw9jayz002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The True Doctor wrote:
>>
>> And you wonder why the show was cancelled and Chibnall and Whittaker
>> were sacked.
>
>Please cite a source that backs up you claim that Chibnall and Whittaker
>were sacked.
>
>I could certainly believe Chris Chibnall was quietly pushed, but IIRC
>Jodie always talked of leaving the role after a certain period of time...
>and five years is long enough for one Doctor. (IMHO of course.)

They overstayed their welcome.
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The Last Doctor wrote:
>
> Apologies - Network at it again, sending but leaving message in outbox.

That just happened to me!

In article <ugrkrt$ejri$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Usenet Village Idiot <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <ugpmh0$3tahc$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The topic of discussion, again, was 1989 so you bringing up Chibnall and
>>> Whittaker is just you being obsessed with irrelevancies. Your deranged
>>> fantasies about sackings and cancellations in the 2010s without a shred of
>>> evidence to support them are irrelevant at any time, but even more so when
>>> the topic is the show’s first cancellation in 1989.
>>>
>>> 1989. Got it yet? If you want to discuss that here then please go ahead,
>>> but leave your demented rantings about 21st smoo oh κ might possibly be
>>> relevant (if you were able to separate reality from
>>> your bizarre fantasies, of course).
>>>
>>
>> Chibnall from his On Air Appearance should have been a warning!!
>
>Indeed it should. JN-T didn’t pay attention though.
>

Ha! HA!

>Bear in mind that when Chibnall became show runner had written some half
>decent episodes of Who, had helmed Torchwood successfully for RTD, and had
>recently had the triumph of Broadchurch.

He was let go of TW after 1 Series and he was a disaster then!

>
>What the show really needs is a show runner who lets all the episodes be
>written by others. The show runners job should be to guide the whole and
>tie together the selected stories, if they need it - in my opinion, the ego
>driven thing where the showrunner feels they need to write at least the
>opening and closing stories of each season, and every special (and in
>Chibnall’s case, take at least a couple-writer credit for nearly every
>episode) actively harms the overall quality of the show.
>

Once the Timeless Child Era is retconned!

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In article <ugrksb$ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Usenet Village Idiot <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <ugpmh0$3tahc$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The topic of discussion, again, was 1989 so you bringing up Chibnall and
>>> Whittaker is just you being obsessed with irrelevancies. Your deranged
>>> fantasies about sackings and cancellations in the 2010s without a shred of
>>> evidence to support them are irrelevant at any time, but even more so when
>>> the topic is the show’s first cancellation in 1989.
>>>
>>> 1989. Got it yet? If you want to discuss that here then please go ahead,
>>> but leave your demented rantings about 21st smoo oh κ might possibly be
>>> relevant (if you were able to separate reality from
>>> your bizarre fantasies, of course).
>>>
>>
>> Chibnall from his On Air Appearance should have been a warning!!
>
>Indeed it should. JN-T didn’t pay attention though.
>
>Bear in mind that when Chibnall became show runner had written some half
>decent episodes of Who, had helmed Torchwood successfully for RTD, and had
>recently had the triumph of Broadchurch.
>
>What the show really needs is a show runner who lets all the episodes be
>written by others. The show runners job should be to guide the whole and
>tie together the selected stories, if they need it - in my opinion, the ego
>driven thing where the showrunner feels they need to write at least the
>opening and closing stories of each season, and every special (and in
>Chibnall’s case, take at least a couple-writer credit for nearly every
>episode) actively harms the overall quality of the show.
>

Again?

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In article <ugrlq2$eqve$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>> The Usenet Village Idiot <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> In article <ugpmh0$3tahc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The topic of discussion, again, was 1989 so you bringing up Chibnall and
>>>> Whittaker is just you being obsessed with irrelevancies. Your deranged
>>>> fantasies about sackings and cancellations in the 2010s without a shred of
>>>> evidence to support them are irrelevant at any time, but even more so when
>>>> the topic is the show’s first cancellation in 1989.
>>>>
>>>> 1989. Got it yet? If you want to discuss that here then please go ahead,
>>>> but leave your demented rantings about 21st smoo oh κ might possibly be
>>>> relevant (if you were able to separate reality from
>>>> your bizarre fantasies, of course).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Chibnall from his On Air Appearance should have been a warning!!
>>
>> Indeed it should. JN-T didn’t pay attention though.
>>
>> Bear in mind that when Chibnall became show runner had written some half
>> decent episodes of Who, had helmed Torchwood successfully for RTD, and had
>> recently had the triumph of Broadchurch.
>>
>> What the show really needs is a show runner who lets all the episodes be
>> written by others. The show runners job should be to guide the whole and
>> tie together the selected stories, if they need it - in my opinion, the ego
>> driven thing where the showrunner feels they need to write at least the
>> opening and closing stories of each season, and every special (and in
>> Chibnall’s case, take at least a couple-writer credit for nearly every
>> episode) actively harms the overall quality of the show.
>>
>
>Apologies - Network at it again, sending but leaving message in outbox.
>Deleted now.
>

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In article <ugrp5f$fj7h$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>> The Usenet Village Idiot <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> In article <ugpmh0$3tahc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The topic of discussion, again, was 1989 so you bringing up Chibnall and
>>>> Whittaker is just you being obsessed with irrelevancies. Your deranged
>>>> fantasies about sackings and cancellations in the 2010s without a shred of
>>>> evidence to support them are irrelevant at any time, but even more so when
>>>> the topic is the show’s first cancellation in 1989.
>>>>
>>>> 1989. Got it yet? If you want to discuss that here then please go ahead,
>>>> but leave your demented rantings about 21st smoo oh κ might possibly be
>>>> relevant (if you were able to separate reality from
>>>> your bizarre fantasies, of course).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Chibnall from his On Air Appearance should have been a warning!!
>>
>> Indeed it should. JN-T didn’t pay attention though.
>>
>> Bear in mind that when Chibnall became show runner had written some half
>> decent episodes of Who, had helmed Torchwood successfully for RTD, and had
>> recently had the triumph of Broadchurch.
>>
>> What the show really needs is a show runner who lets all the episodes be
>> written by others. The show runners job should be to guide the whole and
>> tie together the selected stories, if they need it - in my opinion, the ego
>> driven thing where the showrunner feels they need to write at least the
>> opening and closing stories of each season, and every special (and in
>> Chibnall’s case, take at least a couple-writer credit for nearly every
>> episode) actively harms the overall quality of the show.
>>
>
>Apologies - Network at it again, sending but leaving message in outbox.
>Deleted now.

Again?
>
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In article <ugs2rf$hsc5$3@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>On 19/10/2023 14:37, Blueshirt wrote:
>> The True Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>> And you wonder why the show was cancelled and Chibnall and Whittaker
>>> were sacked.
>>
>> Please cite a source that backs up you claim that Chibnall and Whittaker
>> were sacked.
>>
>> I could certainly believe Chris Chibnall was quietly pushed, but IIRC
>> Jodie always talked of leaving the role after a certain period of time...
>> and five years is long enough for one Doctor. (IMHO of course.)
>
>Given that we know that RTD has already written half of Gatwa's second
>series and he isn't even half way through filming the first it is clear
>that half way through filming Whittaker's second series when the BBC saw
>the degenerate amateur fan fiction that he had written for the third
>series and the plummeting ratings that they gave him the sack on the
>spot by not renewing his contract which was up for review. Since
>Chibnall was sacked Whittaker had to go too as no new show runner would
>be willing to work with such a talentless actress with no stage
>presence, gravitas, or charisma, that didn't make any effort at all to
>learn or understand the character of the Doctor. Jo Martin did a better
>job than Whittaker wither only 15 minutes of screen time.
>
>Chibnall was given his bag and shown through the door and Whittaker
>followed him knowing she had no future left on the show.
>

It should have happened in 2018!!

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In article <ugs679$ikqr$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>On 16/10/2023 20:56, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> Agadeluded <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> continued to hallucinate:
>>> On 15/10/2023 03:37, The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>> Agadoodoo <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> crayoned on the padded walls of his
>>>> room:
>>>>> On 10/10/2023 21:41, The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you’re in the U.K. (or illegally access iPlayer from outside the U.K.
>>>>>> like habitual criminal and serial offender Dave Yadallee) then good news!
>>>>>> The complete show apart from the missing episodes, the TV Movie, all the
>>>>>> spinoffs (except maybe K9 and Company), and what sounds like every DVD
>>>>>> extra ever released - and including the run of Doctor Who Confidentials -
>>>>>> are coming to the BBC iPlayer from 1 November.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://bbc.in/3toblkN
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It says the TVM is included as well,
>>>>
>>>> Which I mentioned
>>>>
>>>
>>> You said the whole series apart from the TV Move.
>>
>> Nope. You need to learn how to read English grammar. With just one comma,
>> the meaning could have been ambiguous; however there are a series of
>> clauses separated by commas, which in English means it’s meant to be read
>> as a list:
>>
>> The complete show apart from the missing episodes
>>
>> the TV Movie
>>
>> all the spinoffs (except maybe K9 and Company)
>>
>> and what sounds like every DVD extra ever released
>>
>
>Nope. You're saying the whole show apart from {the missing episodes, the
>TV Movie, all the spinoffs (except maybe K9 and Company), and what
>sounds like every DVD extra ever released}. This is equivalent to
>saying, "Everyone got on the bus apart from John, Jill, and Nathan."
>It's doesn't mean Jill and Nathan got on the bus as well. Your statement
>is therefore ambiguous at best.
>
>>>
>>> They're not showing the whole series either, it's just selected episodes
>>> of the original series such as City of Death and the whole of the new
>>> series is already on iPlayer now.
>>
>> Sources claim the entire available show.
>>
>
>Except they don't. We're not even getting An Unearthly Child the first
>every episode like you say below. This is clearly deceptive marketing
>bullshit which uses the word available to mean anything it wants. It's
>time to teach people who to write in English properly and unambiguously.
>
>> Sadly the very first serial may be missing for a while, though why the BBC
>> are vacillating this way is bizarre: unlike Terry Nation, Anthony Coburn
>> was a BBC employee, a staff writer, so copyright in his episodes remains
>> vested in the BBC and Stef Coburn hasn’t got a legal leg to stand on
>- it’s
>> just an unprincipled money grab by what seems to be a thoroughly unpleasant
>> person seeking “Vengeance!” (A direct quote).
>>
>
>Maybe the Director Waris Hussein wants royalties too for his part in the
>writing.
>
>>> ITVX wants you to pay to watch all of them. They've got to be joking.
>>
>> To be fair, ITVX wants you to pay for their premium service which includes
>> fewer ads (not none though) and all the BritBox content. For most people,
>
>Oh, so they want you to pay for ads too. They can fuck themselves if
>they think I'm paying to watch commercials for tampons and other women's
>products.
>
>> classic Doctor Who there is incidental, not its biggest draw. And now it
>> will not even be that, just an alternative way to view (in the same way
>> that “Billions” can be seen on both Sky Atlantic and Paramount+,
>or “Star
>> Trek: Picard” on both Amazon and Paramount+”.
>>
>
>Only the third series is worth watching. The first two totally destroy
>the character of Picard and I'm not paying for Paramount+ to watch it a
>day earlier and was not happy with people torrenting it a day before I
>paid to watch it. Clueless imbeciles. It should have come out on the
>same day and time of both.
>
>>>>> but going by the picture on the BBC
>>>>> website featuring two fake female Doctors as if they were cannon,
>>>>
>>>> I assume you meant canon, but the only female Doctors shown were real
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>>> Doctors from series 11-13 so that’s two points deducted from your sanity
>>>
>>> Nope. Whittaker and Martin are not canon since the Timeless Child
>>> monster is pure degenerate fan fiction. Doctor Who officially ended in
>>> 2017.
>>
>> You cannot legitimately argue from your deluded alternate fan fiction
>> universe.
>
>Everyone say the Doctor die at the end of The Doctor Falls and the
>screen go blank. Everything after that is the Doctor hallucinating in
>his final milliseconds of life.
>
>In the real world, the primary canon of Doctor Who is the whole
>> show commissioned by and broadcast by the BBC - note that this includes at
>> least some of the Big Finish Eight Doctor audio dramas (two “seasons” of
>
>Nope, that is not canon either. It totally humiliates the Eight Doctor
>by making him Whittaker's lackey and taking his radiance away from him
>to make her look better. It's not wonder Tom Baker refused to be in it,
>and good job too. It don't want to remember him that way, or any of the
>previous Doctors.
>
>> which were commissioned for and first aired on what was then BBC Radio 7).
>> And that includes series 11-13 of the modern show and all the associated
>> specials up to and including “The Power of the Doctor”.
>
>All of which are not canon. Doctor Who ended in 2017. It belongs to the
>fans not the BBC since its original creators are no longer here.
>
>>
>>>> score there - which is of course a concern when you started at zero.
>>>>
>>>>> Doctor Who will remain dead for the foreseeable future
>>>>
>>>> What are you hallucinating about? The last time the Doctor was dead was for
>>>
>>> The Timeless Child is a hallucination as is the ridiculous fan fiction
>>> that has UNIT created by an alien snake monster.
>>
>> You cannot legitimately argue from your deluded alternate fan fiction
>> universe.
>
>Yes I can. If Chibnall can write fan fic then so either you or I. I've
>even consider your fan fic series 10 to be canon but not anything
>written by Chibnall. My series 11 follows not Chibnall's.
>
>>
>>>
>>>> a few seconds in The Night of the Doctor. That’s you down to -4 sanity.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. Capaldi died in The Doctor Falls and stayed dead. Everything after
>>> that is the Doctor's final milliseconds of pure hallucination before he
>>> travels down the white tunnel which turns into a tiny little dot like an
>>> old CRT TV turning off and everything then going blank.
>>
>> You cannot legitimately argue from your deluded alternate fan fiction
>> universe.
>>
>
>See above.
>
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Doctor is not a willing mass murdering
>>>>> genocidal maniac
>>>>
>>>> Where was that ever shown? Your delusions are getting wilder. The Doctor
>>>> has never been portrayed this way. Another 6 points deducted.
>>>
>>> Wrong. It's explicitly stated in Flux and Whittaker's final episode.
>>
>> No, it’s not. Give a quote to prove me wrong or admit that you’re lying.
>>
>
>I am not going to traumatize my self by watching it again.
>
>>> The Timeless Child monster was willingly recruited into the Division and
>>
>> Prove it was willing, or that the Division actually engaged in such
>> operations. The show only hints at the Division - we’re clearly meant to
>
>We have Tekteun's speech which says that it was and that it committed
>horrendous crimes against all life-forms which is why Jo Martin fled.
>
>> believe that they were conducting distasteful “Black Ops” but it
>would seem
>
>Distasteful? Stop using stupid woke newspeak. They were hideous, illegal
>and genocidal. Tekteun wanted to destroy all life in not only this
>universe but in universe 2.0.
>
>> that once the Doctor realised that, she rebelled against them, leading to
>> her memory erasure and total reset (yes, this is fairly poorly explained
>> and done. But that’s what we’re meant to believe.
>>
>
>Yer, like it took her millions of regenerations and billions of years to
>figure that all out, which she stood there doing nothing to stop it.
>That makes her willingly complicit.
>
>>> willingly and wholeheartedly assisted Tekteun in committing
>>> cross-universal murder and mass genocide.
>>
>> No evidence. That’s all in your head (you are welcome to prove me wrong
>> with quotes from the show. Note: when I say “quotes from the show” I mean
>> verbatim dialogue, not you playing a cut rare Donald Trump and repeating
>> unsubstantiated lies.
>>
>
>See above. The Timeless Child monster was willingly complicit in the
>Division's crimes at the very leats and Tekteun makes it clear that the
>Timeless Child monster was her protege so was just like her.
>
>>> The Timeless Child monster is
>>> fully complicit in all of the crimes committed by the Division and that
>>> is why it fled.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> created from an abducted child from another dimension
>>>>
>>>> This sort of was, though the origin was never definitively stated to be
>>>> another dimension.
>>>
>>> It was explicitly stated in Whittaker's final episode.
>>
>> No it wasn’t. The “Origin Story” is related as a story in “The
>Toneless
>> Children” by that notoriously unreliable narrator The Master:
>>
>
>And then Chibnall goes on to make Tekteun confirm it in Flux.
>
>> “it was on one of these distant, deserted worlds on the far edge of another
>> galaxy she found something... impossible. A gateway. A boundary into
>> another unknown dimension or universe. Tecteun glimpsed the infinite
>> through that gateway. And beneath the monument, she found... a child.
>> Abandoned. Alone. Thrown through, seemingly, from the other unknown realm.”
>>
>> See that word “seemingly”? There is no definitive statement there, only a
>> third-hand (Tecteun-Matrix-Master) supposition.
>>
>
>Tekteun confirm all that was said in Flux.
>
>>> Tekteun wanted
>>> its accomplice, the Timeless Child monster, to conquer and exterminate
>>> everything in the universe from which it came from.
>>
>> And we’re back to the deluded fan fiction in your head. None of that is in
>> the show.
>
>Yes it is. Billions of years watching on while crimes were committed
>that it could have stopped at the very least. Given the amount of time
>that passed it is clear that the Timeless Child help to perpetrate a
>substantial number of these crimes and supported all of them.
>
>>
>>> Claiming amnesia and
>>> not seeking treatment for it does not exonerate Whittaker from the
>>> crimes show took part in just like claiming to only be following orders
>>> doesn't exonerate it or the Nazis from their crimes either.
>>
>> There is no evidence of willing participation in any crimes at all. It’s
>> all just the deluded fan fiction in your head. None of that is in the show.
>
>No evidence? The are millions of regenerations and billions of years of
>evidence. No one would stand for it for so long unless they were part of it.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> who was repeatedly abused, experimented on, killed, and brainwashed by
>>>>> it's abductor.
>>>>
>>>> This, however, was. Horrible but hardly the Doctor’s fault, so
>what’s the
>>>
>>
>>> As I said above, the fact that the Nazis who helped to exterminate the
>>> Jews and other minorities and their enemies were brainwashed did not
>>> exonerate them from their crimes and neither does it exonerate Martin
>>> through to Whittaker who committed similar genocide.
>>
>> You’re just repeating the deluded fan fiction in your head. None of that is
>> in the show.
>>
>
>I am repeating the implications of Chibnall's fan fiction.
>
>>>
>>> When is the Timeless Child monster going to be put on trial and then put
>>> to death as punishment. Permanent death since the crimes it committed
>>> and assisted in are inexcusable.
>>
>> Now you’re trying to use your deluded fan fiction to justify your desire to
>> kill off the show. Just walk away and find something more to your taste.
>> Leni Riefenstahl perhaps.
>
>Chibnall already killed off the show. Doctor Who ended in 2017. Unless
>the Timeless Child monster is recond Doctor Who will remain forever dead.
>
>>
>>>> problem (other than that this was a totally unnecessary additional
>>>> complication in the Doctor’s timeline?
>>>
>>> The Doctor has been turned into a complete and utter monster hiding like
>>> the Nazis from justice and retribution. Why should anyone treat them as
>>> a hero or follow them as a role model?
>>
>> Since the deluded fan fiction in your head is not part of the actual show,
>> your question becomes nonsensical.
>>
>
>Chibnall's deluded fan fiction which I am refuting is not part of the
>show. Doctor Who ended in 2017.
>
>>>>> Repenting its crimes at the final moment does not exclude its victims
>>>>> from receiving justice.
>>>>
>>>> This is just gibberish. What were the Doctor’s crimes supposed to be? Who
>>>
>>> The same crimes as the Nazis. Claiming to have followed the Division's
>>> orders does not excuse its members from all being complicit in its
>>> crimes against humanity and the universe.
>>
>> All this is the deluded fan fiction in your head. None of that is in the
>> show.
>
>Of course it's not in the show. Doctor Who ended in 2017. Chibnall's
>deranged fan fic is not canon.
>
>>
>>>> were the victims and how do you know they didn’t get restitution? Final
>>>> sanity score: -20 out of 100. Even Dave is at about +5.
>>>
>>> That's your sanity score. You obviously think that Nazi concentration
>>> camp guards should be treated as heroes and role models along with those
>>> who experimented on captives including Jews to facilitate the Nazis'
>>> eugenics programmes.
>>
>> I’ve made no statements about what I do or don’t agree with, but obviously
>> since I haven’t seen or read the deluded fan fiction in your head,
>I can’t
>> comment on it.
>>
>
>Watch Whittaker's first series where she lets off a bunch of snuff movie
>addicts that enjoy watching people die, a human molesting perverted frog
>that impersonates a man's dead wife in order to get him to have sex with
>it, and a pair of telepaths who committed genocide on around 9 different
>planets.
>
>>>
>>> No one got restitution because Martin was caught by the Division, as was
>>> saw on-screen and concealed using the chameleon arch, just like the
>>> Nazis hiding in Argentina and elsewhere.
>>
>> The reason wasn’t given, but this is a few unexplained moments mixed up
>> with the deluded fan fiction in your head.
>>
>
>The reason is blatantly obvious from Flux. Jo Mating was a worse than
>war criminal and fled when it realised it's crimes were unconscionable.
>
>>>> You’d get much more traction if you discussed the actual show, with a
>>>
>>> There is not show.
>>
>> There have been twenty six episodes and five specials since your mental
>> universe diverged from reality. Not many good ones, but all real.
>>
>>> Fanfic is not canon.
>>
>> Correct. So why do you do nothing but argue from the deluded fan fiction
>> in your head? None of that is in the show.
>>
>
>I am refuting Chibnall's fan fiction which has totally destroyed the
>character of the Doctor, the Time Lords, the Cybermen, the Daleks, the
>Sontarans, the Master, and everything in the entire show.
>
>> Doctor Who ended in 2017. See
>>> above.
>>>
>>
>> Repeating lies doesn’t make them true. Not for 5the Donald, and not for
>> you.
>
>Doctor Who ended in 2017. Watch The Doctor Falls. The 11th Doctor died
>and everything else after the screen went black are his finally
>hallucinations.
>
>>
>>>> little less poisonous invective, and without inventing ridiculous strawman
>>>> arguments with no basis in the show.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't invent any straw men.
>>
>> Prove me wrong with quoted dialogue from the show, or stop lying. Your
>> choice.
>
>See above. I am not going to traumatize myself by watch Flux again.
>
>>
>>> Chibnall's degenerate fan fiction was the
>>> route of his firing as show-runner and the show's ultimate destruction.
>>
>> Chibnall wasn’t fired. He found that it was a very hard job, especially
>
>Yes he was. The BBC say the ratings plummet, the rushes for Whattakers
>second series, and his bad scripts for the third, and refused to renew
>his contract. He was fired.
>
>> when confronted by deluded idiots, and was looking for some time for a
>> successor. Then along came Sony and Bad Wolf and they sweet talked RTD into
>> a return. And he’s having a whale of a time, with five specials and two
>> eight-episode seasons practically in the can and advance plans for two more
>> seasons well in hand. Hardly “ultimate destruction” for the show.
>>
>
>Nope. That's not how it happed. RTD saw that Chibnall had turned the
>show into a complete mess and found out that it was going to be
>cancelled so he talked to Bad Wolf and made an offer to save it which
>the BBC accepted. Sony had nothing to do with it since it had not
>purchased Bad Wolf at the time, and neither did Disney.
>
>> Anyway you can’t have it both ways. In the deluded fan fiction of your
>> head, Chibnall never got his hands on the show as showrunner as it
>> apparently ended forever in 2017. He can’t be responsible for something he
>> never did.
>
>The only thing deluded is what Chibnall did to the show. Doctor Who
>ended in 2017. If RTD really wants to save the show then he has to make
>it clear that every after The Doctor Falls was all an illusion of the
>Celestial Toymaker or a hallucination such that none of it ever
>happened. The easiest other way he can do this is to bring back
>Gallifrey and the Citadel fully intact and populated by Time Lords
>behaving as if nothing ever happened.
>
>>
>>> Doing work for charity doesn't stop the pervert Jimmy Saville from being
>>> a monster and neither does it stop the Doctor from being a monster after
>>> its past crimes were revealed. You can see the monster's true nature and
>>> character in Whittaker letting-off the pervert snuff-movie addicts in
>>> Demons of the Punjab, the child molesting frog in It Takes You Away, and
>>> the psychic planet destroying genociders in The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos.
>>
>> You’re desperately fixated on your delusions. Get some help.
>>
>
>Nope. You are totally deranged if you believe that perverts and
>genociders should be let off without punishments.
>
>>> Doctor Who is dead in the water unless the Timeless Child monster is
>>> removed from canon completely and that means that both Whittaker and
>>> Martin must be illusions created by the Celestial Toymaker or
>>> hallucinations.
>>
>> And in the deluded fan fiction in your head, why don’t you do that? Then in
>> your head you can write endless tedious political allegories glorifying
>> Greek history and have your chauvinistic dreams of pneumatic bimbo
>> companions fulfilled, your Doctor will always be white and male, and you
>
>There's nothing wrong with the Doctor being white and male you sexist
>and racist. There's also nothing wrong with the Doctor's companions
>being intelligent nubile women, you homophobe.
>
>> can live happily ever after in La-La-land while the rest of us carry on
>> watching and sometimes enjoying the REAL Doctor Who.
>>
>
>Except you can't because everything after 2017 is fan fiction unless and
>until the Timeless Child monster is removed from canon.
>

In article <xn0o8a8sdwq6kwv000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The True Doctor wrote:
>
>> On 19/10/2023 14:37, Blueshirt wrote:
>> > The True Doctor wrote:
>> > >
>> > > And you wonder why the show was cancelled and Chibnall and Whittaker
>> > > were sacked.
>> >
>> > Please cite a source that backs up your claim that Chibnall and
>> > Whittaker were sacked.
>> >
>> > I could certainly believe Chris Chibnall was quietly pushed, but IIRC
>> > Jodie always talked of leaving the role after a certain period of
>> > time... and five years is long enough for one Doctor. (IMHO of
>> > course.)
>>
>> Given that we know that RTD has already written half of Gatwa's second
>> series and he isn't even half way through filming the first it is clear
>> that half way through filming Whittaker's second series when the BBC
>> saw the degenerate amateur fan fiction that he had written for the
>> third series and the plummeting ratings that they gave him the sack on
>> the spot by not renewing his contract which was up for review.
>
>
>So no real source, just an assumption then?
>
>Being "sacked on the spot" usually means that you are out of the door
>within five minutes, not two years later when your contract is up. That
>would normally be described as leaving when your contract has finished!
>
>What about Jodie Whittaker, do you have a source that she was sacked on
>the spot - but stayed on until her contract finished - or is that another
>assumption because Doctor Who wasn't performing as well as you would have
>liked it to?
>
>For a show that you claim ended in 2017 you seem to spend a lot of time
>worrying about the events since then? Why does anything that has happened
>with Doctor Who after 2017 trouble you so much?
>

Chibnall's debacle!
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In article <xn0o8a9g4wr4xti003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Idlehands wrote:
>
>> On 2023-10-19 7:37 a.m., Blueshirt wrote:
>> > The True Doctor wrote:
>> > >
>> > > And you wonder why the show was cancelled and Chibnall and Whittaker
>> > > were sacked.
>> >
>> > Please cite a source that backs up your claim that Chibnall and
>> > Whittaker were sacked.
>> >
>> > I could certainly believe Chris Chibnall was quietly pushed, but IIRC
>> > Jodie always talked of leaving the role after a certain period of
>> > time... and five years is long enough for one Doctor. (IMHO of
>> > course.)
>>
>> Using logic and facts with Aggy just isn't fair since they don't exist
>> in whatever universe he resides in.
>
>Agamemnon has access to the same internet that I have and I'm sure there
>was talk of a three/four series and out pact between Jodie Whittaker and
>Chris Chibnall... I just couldn't find the link when I wanted to.

Who let Satan of rec.arts.drwho aka Idlehands back in?
He is the spawner of Tim Bruening!
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In article <ugs8f4$j6c0$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> On 19/10/2023 14:37, Blueshirt wrote:
>>> The True Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And you wonder why the show was cancelled and Chibnall and Whittaker
>>>> were sacked.
>>>
>>> Please cite a source that backs up you claim that Chibnall and Whittaker
>>> were sacked.
>>>
>>> I could certainly believe Chris Chibnall was quietly pushed, but IIRC
>>> Jodie always talked of leaving the role after a certain period of time...
>>> and five years is long enough for one Doctor. (IMHO of course.)
>>
>> Given that we know that RTD has already written half of Gatwa's second
>> series and he isn't even half way through filming the first
>
>What you know is wrong. The 60th anniversary specials completed filming in
>July 2022: series 14 completed in July 2023: the Christmas special for 2023
>has been completed: and production of series 15 has begun. Series 15 will
>be 9 episodes long, one more than the 8 of series 14.
>
>> it is clear
>> that half way through filming Whittaker's second series when the BBC saw
>> the degenerate amateur fan fiction that he had written for the third
>> series and the plummeting ratings that they gave him the sack on the
>> spot by not renewing his contract which was up for review.
>
>That’s all nonsense made up in your head. Nothing about what Bad Wolf and
>RTD are doing make anything clear with regard to Chibnall’s era. No-one
>connected to the show has ever suggested that he be sacked.
>
>
>> Since
>> Chibnall was sacked Whittaker had to go too as no new show runner would
>> be willing to work with such a talentless actress with no stage
>> presence, gravitas, or charisma, that didn't make any effort at all to
>> learn or understand the character of the Doctor.
>
>Nothing but minority opinion. Bafflegab sustaining an utterly spurious
>chain of what is definitely not logic or reasoning.
>
>> Jo Martin did a better
>> job than Whittaker wither only 15 minutes of screen time.
>
>Also opinion, but yes she did do a fair job.
>
>>
>> Chibnall was given his bag and shown through the door and Whittaker
>> followed him knowing she had no future left on the show.
>
>Pure speculation with no basis even in rumour other than from a few
>snowflake “fans” making it up.
>

The Tiemless Child was a low point in DW, lower then the JN-t Era!

>--
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#savedoctorwho #retconthetimelesschild #thetimelesschildisantidoctorwho
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In article <xn0o8a9i2wr7r9f004@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Blueshirt wrote:
>
>>
>>
>
>
>Clearly one of my more intelligent posts! :-)

Ha! HA!
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In article <xn0o8a9y0wrpo2z007@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote:
>
>> The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> >
>> > Chibnall was given his bag and shown through the door and Whittaker
>> > followed him knowing she had no future left on the show.
>>
>> Pure speculation with no basis even in rumour other than from a few
>> snowflake “fans” making shit up.
>
>I frequent a good few Doctor Who forums and nobody has ever claimed they
>were sacked. So it's definitely not a rumour that has much traction. The
>only person I have seen making that claim is Agamemnon here on RADW. So
>yes, without Agamemnon citing a source/posting a link I have to assume
>that it is just wishful thinking on his part.

What about the TARDIS Zone?
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In article <xn0o8a9zkwrrxa5008@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote:
>>
>> Apologies - Network at it again, sending but leaving message in outbox.
>
>That just happened to me!

MM is broken!
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On 18/10/2023 23:34, The Last Doctor wrote:
> Agámyalos <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> On 18/10/2023 20:38, The Last Doctor wrote:
>>> Agámyalos <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>>> On 16/10/2023 09:50, solar penguin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> solar penguin <solar.penguin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus spake solar penguin:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Agadoodoo <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> crayoned on the padded walls of his
>>>>>>>>> room:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Doctor is not a willing mass murdering
>>>>>>>>>> genocidal maniac
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where was that ever shown? Your delusions are getting wilder.
>>>>>>>>> The Doctor has never been portrayed this way. Another 6
>>>>>>>>> points deducted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> YMMV but it could be argued that the seventh Doctor deliberately
>>>>>>>> double-bluffed others into committing mass-murdering genocide
>>>>>>>> for him. Does that count?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thinking about this a bit more...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We saw the fugitive Doctor doing a _very_ similar double-bluff
>>>>>>> with a rigged gun. If this wasn’t just lazy writing on Chibnall’s
>>>>>>> part, it might be deliberate to imply that her alleged crime was
>>>>>>> something similar to what Seventh did in Silver Nemesis and
>>>>>>> Remembrance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Both those stories also imply that the Doctor’s past isn’t what
>>>>>>> it seems, maybe making it more likely that this was deliberate.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do those count as the Doctor being a “mass murdering genocidal maniac”
>>>>>> though? A devious sophist, yes. But it can be argued that the Doctor gave
>>>>>> Davros every opportunity to not use the Hand in Remembrance - and warned
>>>>>> him not to use it. (The resolution of Silver Nemesis is such a bonkers
>>>>>> salad of disjointed phrases that it’s not possible to be certain what is
>>>>>> going on there).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point, but the warning not to use it feels like an elaborate
>>>>> bluff. The Doctor secretly wants the baddies to use the
>>>>> Hand and/or Nemesis to destroy themselves. And he doesn’t
>>>>> actively do much to prevent them.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was one of the main objections from fans who didn’t
>>>>> like the McCoy era. Cartmel had created the Dark Doctor
>>>>> who was no longer recognisable as the Doctor. (The whole
>>>>> Frocks vs. Guns schism in fandom.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the scripts did try to give the Doctor a figleaf of moral
>>>>> subjectivity to hide behind, but genocide is a very tricky
>>>>> subject to be subjective about! I don’t think they succeeded.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMMV of course.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you wonder why the show was cancelled and Chibnall and Whittaker
>>>> were sacked.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, I never wondered why the show was cancelled: its ratings had gone to
>>> crap for the state of television at the time (though similar ratings would
>>> be considered a solid success in 2023), season 24 had been unmitigated shit
>>
>> No they would not. 2.2 million viewers in prime time is a disaster, and
>> 3.71 million for a regeneration episode is laughable.
>
> Pay attention to what I was discussing, don’t bring up irrelevant matters.
> The subject of conversation is Doctor Who in 1989. Not anything more
> recent. The show at that time was garnering 4-5m viewers, these were
> numbers that put it in cancellation territory in the TV landscape of the

And now the show is only getting 2.5 million viewers and would have been
cancelled had not RTD stepped in.

> time. Such figures in 2023 would make it, as I said, a solid success (in
> the second week of October the ONLY BBC dramatic presentation in the top 50
> shows across all channels in the week was EastEnders, and it’s not making
> anything like those numbers.)

No one is watching the degenerate woke garbage spewed out be the BBC and
ITV any more. They'd rather watch paint dry than be lectured to by
sexists, racists, bullies, perverts, and bigots.

>
>>> and insufficient recovery had been made in the final two seasons. It was
>>> more of a mercy killing than a cancellation for the abomination JN-T had
>>> turned it into.
>>>
>>> However, in 1989 Chibnall was 19, at university, and most likely still
>>> pontificating about how poor the writing for the show was (ironic, that, in
>>> the end): and Jodie Whittaker was a seven-year-old. So it’s unlikely that
>>> they had anything to do with the cancellation of the show, or were sacked
>>> from it, at the time.
>>>
>>
>> They were sacked in 2019. If RTD hadn't made a deal with Bad Wolf
>> Studios the whole series would have been cancelled thanks to Chibnall
>> following in the same deranged part as JNT by turning the Doctor into a
>> and even bigger monster than anything in the show's entire history.
>
> The topic of discussion, again, was 1989 so you bringing up Chibnall and
> Whittaker is just you being obsessed with irrelevancies. Your deranged
> fantasies about sackings and cancellations in the 2010s without a shred of
> evidence to support them are irrelevant at any time, but even more so when
> the topic is the show’s first cancellation in 1989.
>

What I have told you are proven facts. Chibnall was sacked in 2019 after
the BBC saw his scripts for Whittaker's 3rd series. Chibnall was going
reboot the entire series by having Whittaker open the pocket watch at
the end of what became Flux and turn into Jo Martin. The BBC said no and
Chibnall went into a tantrum in the studio. The budget was cut, he was
forced to make changes, and his contract terminated.

> 1989. Got it yet? If you want to discuss that here then please go ahead,
> but leave your demented rantings about 21st century Who to a thread where
> they might possibly be relevant (if you were able to separate reality from
> your bizarre fantasies, of course).
>

The very same reasons why Doctor Who was cancelled in 1989 are the same
reasons that would have seen it cancelled in 2020 had RTD not stepped in
at the last moment. The character of the Doctor was totally destroyed by
being turned into a monster, but what has happened with Chibnall is even
worse since his entire origin story has been changed making him a
completely different character who is not the Doctor but the Timeless
Child monster from another dimension.

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On 19/10/2023 17:18, The Last Doctor wrote:
> The Usenet Village Idiot <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <ugpmh0$3tahc$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The topic of discussion, again, was 1989 so you bringing up Chibnall and
>>> Whittaker is just you being obsessed with irrelevancies. Your deranged
>>> fantasies about sackings and cancellations in the 2010s without a shred of
>>> evidence to support them are irrelevant at any time, but even more so when
>>> the topic is the show’s first cancellation in 1989.
>>>
>>> 1989. Got it yet? If you want to discuss that here then please go ahead,
>>> but leave your demented rantings about 21st smoo oh κ might possibly be
>>> relevant (if you were able to separate reality from
>>> your bizarre fantasies, of course).
>>>
>>
>> Chibnall from his On Air Appearance should have been a warning!!
>
> Indeed it should. JN-T didn’t pay attention though.
>
> Bear in mind that when Chibnall became show runner had written some half
> decent episodes of Who,

And then we later found out that both RTD and Moffat had to make
substantial changes to his scripts in order to make them usable because
the writing was so bad.

>had helmed Torchwood successfully for RTD, and had
> recently had the triumph of Broadchurch.

Chibnall totally destroyed Torchwood. RTD had to step in in order to
stop it from being cancelled. Broadchurch was total shit as can be seen
by the collapse of the ratings for the second and third series.

>
> What the show really needs is a show runner who lets all the episodes be
> written by others. The show runners job should be to guide the whole and
> tie together the selected stories, if they need it - in my opinion, the ego
> driven thing where the showrunner feels they need to write at least the
> opening and closing stories of each season, and every special (and in
> Chibnall’s case, take at least a couple-writer credit for nearly every
> episode) actively harms the overall quality of the show.
>

What the show really needs is a show runner who doesn't try to use
almost every episode in order to spread his own degenerate bigoted
one-sided politically motivated woke propaganda and lecture and sexually
groom the audience.

People are not interested in perverted gender and identity politics
being inserted into show that are supposed to be there to entertain
them. Since puberty they've already decided what sexuality they are and
with who and what they identify. Only a totally sick deranged pervert
would try to influence the sexuality or identity of a pre-pubescent child.

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stands for." -William Shatner

On 19/10/2023 22:23, Blueshirt wrote:
> The True Doctor wrote:
>
>> On 19/10/2023 14:37, Blueshirt wrote:
>>> The True Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And you wonder why the show was cancelled and Chibnall and Whittaker
>>>> were sacked.
>>>
>>> Please cite a source that backs up your claim that Chibnall and
>>> Whittaker were sacked.
>>>
>>> I could certainly believe Chris Chibnall was quietly pushed, but IIRC
>>> Jodie always talked of leaving the role after a certain period of
>>> time... and five years is long enough for one Doctor. (IMHO of
>>> course.)
>>
>> Given that we know that RTD has already written half of Gatwa's second
>> series and he isn't even half way through filming the first it is clear
>> that half way through filming Whittaker's second series when the BBC
>> saw the degenerate amateur fan fiction that he had written for the
>> third series and the plummeting ratings that they gave him the sack on
>> the spot by not renewing his contract which was up for review.
>
>
> So no real source, just an assumption then?
>

There are YouTubers who claim they have the sources.

> Being "sacked on the spot" usually means that you are out of the door
> within five minutes, not two years later when your contract is up. That
> would normally be described as leaving when your contract has finished!
>

The BBC told Chibnall his contract would not be renewed in 2019 when it
was up for renewal. That's a sacking irrespective of what you want to
call it in newspeak.

> What about Jodie Whittaker, do you have a source that she was sacked on
> the spot - but stayed on until her contract finished - or is that another
> assumption because Doctor Who wasn't performing as well as you would have
> liked it to?

Like all Doctor Who actors since Tennant, Whittaker was given a 3 year
contract with the option of an extension of a further year which could
be exercised by the BBC at their own discretion and the further option
of a further up to 3 year extension on top of that by mutual agreement.

By year I mean year of filming or season/specials, not calendar year.

The option to extend Whittaker and Chibnall's contracts by the extra
year was not exercised by the BBC because the BBC had had enough of them
and the ratings plummeting to their lowest ever because of their bad
acting and bad writing.

>
> For a show that you claim ended in 2017 you seem to spend a lot of time
> worrying about the events since then? Why does anything that has happened
> with Doctor Who after 2017 trouble you so much?
>

Doctor Who ended in 2017. I want it to return from the point it left off.

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The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

On 19/10/2023 23:06, Blueshirt wrote:
> The Last Doctor wrote:
>
>> The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chibnall was given his bag and shown through the door and Whittaker
>>> followed him knowing she had no future left on the show.
>>
>> Pure speculation with no basis even in rumour other than from a few
>> snowflake “fans” making shit up.
>
> I frequent a good few Doctor Who forums and nobody has ever claimed they
> were sacked. So it's definitely not a rumour that has much traction. The
> only person I have seen making that claim is Agamemnon here on RADW. So
> yes, without Agamemnon citing a source/posting a link I have to assume
> that it is just wishful thinking on his part.

The rumours of Chibnall and Whittaker being sacked were all over YouTube
and Radio Times had to publish and article denying it. The facts that
have since emerged prove that the rumours were fundamentally true though
not the way they were embellished by the YouTubers. Chibnall's contract
was not renewed in 2019 when it came up for renewal. The same happened
to Whittaker's. They were both to all intents and purposes given the
sack. The show was going to be cancelled after series 13 until RTD and
Bad Wolf stepped in at the last moment.

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The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner