On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > alternate
> > > > > but i wasn't missing anything
> > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > to me they didn't seem
> > > > > to be all that much fun
> > > > >
> > > > > and then the ending back to the first way
> > > > >
> > > > > what do you do
> > > > > with your babies
> > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > >
> > > > > opinions welcome
> > > > I like, I like a lot...
> > > also. i changed 'round to around. i think it fits better, both rhythmically and phonically
> > Sounds like a good change.
> thanks will! i agree. :)

Good morning again, Rachel.

🙂

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > alternate
> > > > > > but i wasn't missing anything
> > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > to me they didn't seem
> > > > > > to be all that much fun
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and then the ending back to the first way
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what do you do
> > > > > > with your babies
> > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > opinions welcome
> > > > > I like, I like a lot...
> > > > also. i changed 'round to around. i think it fits better, both rhythmically and phonically
> > > Sounds like a good change.
> > thanks will! i agree. :)
> Good morning again, Rachel.
>
> 🙂

i also changed hollow tubes to fleshy tubes, just because it was more accurate anatomically, and again, even phonically it works better (a little alliteration)

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:36:06 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > alternate
> > > > > > > but i wasn't missing anything
> > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > to me they didn't seem
> > > > > > > to be all that much fun
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and then the ending back to the first way
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what do you do
> > > > > > > with your babies
> > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > opinions welcome
> > > > > > I like, I like a lot...
> > > > > also. i changed 'round to around. i think it fits better, both rhythmically and phonically
> > > > Sounds like a good change.
> > > thanks will! i agree. :)
> > Good morning again, Rachel.
> >
>
> i also changed hollow tubes to fleshy tubes, just because it was more accurate anatomically, and again, even phonically it works better (a little alliteration)

Okay, that definitely changes the imagery in a significant way.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:46:31 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:36:06 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > alternate
> > > > > > > > but i wasn't missing anything
> > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > to me they didn't seem
> > > > > > > > to be all that much fun
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and then the ending back to the first way
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > what do you do
> > > > > > > > with your babies
> > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > opinions welcome
> > > > > > > I like, I like a lot...
> > > > > > also. i changed 'round to around. i think it fits better, both rhythmically and phonically
> > > > > Sounds like a good change.
> > > > thanks will! i agree. :)
> > > Good morning again, Rachel.
> > >
> >
> > i also changed hollow tubes to fleshy tubes, just because it was more accurate anatomically, and again, even phonically it works better (a little alliteration)
> Okay, that definitely changes the imagery in a significant way.

it's sort of like when i learned that thoughts are actually material things, movement inside the brain, a pathway, making you think your thoughts....very different and unlike when i learned as a youth about axons and dendrites and the synapses, and it sounded like there was empty space in there across which the impulses jump, but there is really plasma in there, not empty space.

i just said hollow tubes because, well, i had a friend who said we were all tubes once one night, when we got stoned, and now there is also youtube.....i just thought it was kinda cool. but really we aren't hollow, and i KNEW that, so now i am just polishing it up, to make it scientifically sound, as best as i know, which of course, isn't saying much.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:08:51 AM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:46:31 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:36:06 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > alternate
> > > > > > > > > but i wasn't missing anything
> > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > to me they didn't seem
> > > > > > > > > to be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and then the ending back to the first way
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > what do you do
> > > > > > > > > with your babies
> > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > opinions welcome
> > > > > > > > I like, I like a lot...
> > > > > > > also. i changed 'round to around. i think it fits better, both rhythmically and phonically
> > > > > > Sounds like a good change.
> > > > > thanks will! i agree. :)
> > > > Good morning again, Rachel.
> > > >
> > >
> > > i also changed hollow tubes to fleshy tubes, just because it was more accurate anatomically, and again, even phonically it works better (a little alliteration)
> > Okay, that definitely changes the imagery in a significant way.
> it's sort of like when i learned that thoughts are actually material things, movement inside the brain, a pathway, making you think your thoughts.....very different and unlike when i learned as a youth about axons and dendrites and the synapses, and it sounded like there was empty space in there across which the impulses jump, but there is really plasma in there, not empty space.
>
> i just said hollow tubes because, well, i had a friend who said we were all tubes once one night, when we got stoned, and now there is also youtube.....i just thought it was kinda cool. but really we aren't hollow, and i KNEW that, so now i am just polishing it up, to make it scientifically sound, as best as i know, which of course, isn't saying much.

don't you ever sleep, wilbur ?

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:19:16 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:57:49 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:53:12 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:57:48 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:37:45 AM UTC-7, Family Guy wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:16 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > = snip =
> > > > >
> > > > > You forgot to take your meds again, Crazy Lady.
> > > > > Also there is no need for a novel in a poetry group. HTH. FOAD.
> > > > who is this
> > > Bob.
> > for apples ?
> i wasn't talking to you.
>
> i'm asking family guy. still waiting for response...

My response, dear lady, is that you are completely out of your damn mind.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 7:08:51 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:

> it's sort of like when i learned that thoughts are actually material things, movement inside the brain, a pathway, making you think your thoughts.....very different and unlike when i learned as a youth about axons and dendrites and the synapses, and it sounded like there was empty space in there across which the impulses jump, but there is really plasma in there, not empty space.
>
> i just said hollow tubes because, well, i had a friend who said we were all tubes once one night, when we got stoned, and now there is also youtube.....i just thought it was kinda cool. but really we aren't hollow, and i KNEW that, so now i am just polishing it up, to make it scientifically sound, as best as i know, which of course, isn't saying much.

I think you need to take more of the pills, dearie.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 7:21:28 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:08:51 AM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:46:31 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:36:06 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > alternate
> > > > > > > > > > but i wasn't missing anything
> > > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > > to me they didn't seem
> > > > > > > > > > to be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > and then the ending back to the first way
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > what do you do
> > > > > > > > > > with your babies
> > > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > opinions welcome
> > > > > > > > > I like, I like a lot...
> > > > > > > > also. i changed 'round to around. i think it fits better, both rhythmically and phonically
> > > > > > > Sounds like a good change.
> > > > > > thanks will! i agree. :)
> > > > > Good morning again, Rachel.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > i also changed hollow tubes to fleshy tubes, just because it was more accurate anatomically, and again, even phonically it works better (a little alliteration)
> > > Okay, that definitely changes the imagery in a significant way.
> > it's sort of like when i learned that thoughts are actually material things, movement inside the brain, a pathway, making you think your thoughts.....very different and unlike when i learned as a youth about axons and dendrites and the synapses, and it sounded like there was empty space in there across which the impulses jump, but there is really plasma in there, not empty space.
> >
> > i just said hollow tubes because, well, i had a friend who said we were all tubes once one night, when we got stoned, and now there is also youtube....i just thought it was kinda cool. but really we aren't hollow, and i KNEW that, so now i am just polishing it up, to make it scientifically sound, as best as i know, which of course, isn't saying much.
> don't you ever sleep, wilbur ?

The Donkey barely sleeps -- his narcissism keeps him up all night. It's his desire to see his name and to troll this newsgroup.
He is a very sad state of affairs, and one would feel pity for him if he weren't a complete asshole.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:48:10 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 7:21:28 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:08:51 AM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:46:31 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:36:06 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > alternate
> > > > > > > > > > > but i wasn't missing anything
> > > > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > > > to me they didn't seem
> > > > > > > > > > > to be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > and then the ending back to the first way
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > what do you do
> > > > > > > > > > > with your babies
> > > > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > opinions welcome
> > > > > > > > > > I like, I like a lot...
> > > > > > > > > also. i changed 'round to around. i think it fits better, both rhythmically and phonically
> > > > > > > > Sounds like a good change.
> > > > > > > thanks will! i agree. :)
> > > > > > Good morning again, Rachel.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > i also changed hollow tubes to fleshy tubes, just because it was more accurate anatomically, and again, even phonically it works better (a little alliteration)
> > > > Okay, that definitely changes the imagery in a significant way.
> > > it's sort of like when i learned that thoughts are actually material things, movement inside the brain, a pathway, making you think your thoughts....very different and unlike when i learned as a youth about axons and dendrites and the synapses, and it sounded like there was empty space in there across which the impulses jump, but there is really plasma in there, not empty space.
> > >
> > > i just said hollow tubes because, well, i had a friend who said we were all tubes once one night, when we got stoned, and now there is also youtube....i just thought it was kinda cool. but really we aren't hollow, and i KNEW that, so now i am just polishing it up, to make it scientifically sound, as best as i know, which of course, isn't saying much.
> > don't you ever sleep, wilbur ?
> barely sleeps

Not true, my obsessed little friend, I get plenty of sleep, actually.

🙂

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:53:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:48:10 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 7:21:28 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:08:51 AM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:46:31 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:36:06 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > alternate
> > > > > > > > > > > > but i wasn't missing anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > > > > to me they didn't seem
> > > > > > > > > > > > to be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > and then the ending back to the first way
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > what do you do
> > > > > > > > > > > > with your babies
> > > > > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > opinions welcome
> > > > > > > > > > > I like, I like a lot...
> > > > > > > > > > also. i changed 'round to around. i think it fits better, both rhythmically and phonically
> > > > > > > > > Sounds like a good change.
> > > > > > > > thanks will! i agree. :)
> > > > > > > Good morning again, Rachel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i also changed hollow tubes to fleshy tubes, just because it was more accurate anatomically, and again, even phonically it works better (a little alliteration)
> > > > > Okay, that definitely changes the imagery in a significant way.
> > > > it's sort of like when i learned that thoughts are actually material things, movement inside the brain, a pathway, making you think your thoughts....very different and unlike when i learned as a youth about axons and dendrites and the synapses, and it sounded like there was empty space in there across which the impulses jump, but there is really plasma in there, not empty space.
> > > >
> > > > i just said hollow tubes because, well, i had a friend who said we were all tubes once one night, when we got stoned, and now there is also youtube....i just thought it was kinda cool. but really we aren't hollow, and i KNEW that, so now i am just polishing it up, to make it scientifically sound, as best as i know, which of course, isn't saying much.
> > > don't you ever sleep, wilbur ?
> > barely sleeps
>
> Not true, my obsessed little friend, I get plenty of sleep, actually.
>
>

First, nobody is "obsessed," you narcissistic nincompoop.
Second, that's not what your posting times and posting history say.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:47:01 PM UTC-7, Family Guy wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:19:16 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:57:49 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:53:12 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:57:48 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:37:45 AM UTC-7, Family Guy wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:16 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > = snip =
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You forgot to take your meds again, Crazy Lady.
> > > > > > Also there is no need for a novel in a poetry group. HTH. FOAD.
> > > > > who is this
> > > > Bob.
> > > for apples ?
> > i wasn't talking to you.
> >
> > i'm asking family guy. still waiting for response...
> My response, dear lady, is that you are completely out of your damn mind.

where are *you ?*

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:47:01 PM UTC-7, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:19:16 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:57:49 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:53:12 PM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:57:48 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:37:45 AM UTC-7, Family Guy wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:16 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > = snip =
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You forgot to take your meds again, Crazy Lady.
> > > > > > > Also there is no need for a novel in a poetry group. HTH. FOAD.
> > > > > > who is this
> > > > > Bob.
> > > > for apples ?
> > > i wasn't talking to you.
> > >
> > > i'm asking family guy. still waiting for response...
> > My response, dear lady, is that you are completely out of your damn mind.
> where are *you ?*

that was a tc, btw !

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:04:33 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:53:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 3:48:10 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 7:21:28 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:08:51 AM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:46:31 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:36:06 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > alternate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but i wasn't missing anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to me they didn't seem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and then the ending back to the first way
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with your babies
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > opinions welcome
> > > > > > > > > > > > I like, I like a lot...
> > > > > > > > > > > also. i changed 'round to around. i think it fits better, both rhythmically and phonically
> > > > > > > > > > Sounds like a good change.
> > > > > > > > > thanks will! i agree. :)
> > > > > > > > Good morning again, Rachel.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i also changed hollow tubes to fleshy tubes, just because it was more accurate anatomically, and again, even phonically it works better (a little alliteration)
> > > > > > Okay, that definitely changes the imagery in a significant way.
> > > > > it's sort of like when i learned that thoughts are actually material things, movement inside the brain, a pathway, making you think your thoughts....very different and unlike when i learned as a youth about axons and dendrites and the synapses, and it sounded like there was empty space in there across which the impulses jump, but there is really plasma in there, not empty space.
> > > > >
> > > > > i just said hollow tubes because, well, i had a friend who said we were all tubes once one night, when we got stoned, and now there is also youtube....i just thought it was kinda cool. but really we aren't hollow, and i KNEW that, so now i am just polishing it up, to make it scientifically sound, as best as i know, which of course, isn't saying much.
> > > > don't you ever sleep, wilbur ?
> > > barely sleeps
> >
> > Not true, my obsessed little friend, I get plenty of sleep, actually.
> >
> >
> First, nobody is "obsessed,"

Of course you're not expected to admit it.

🙂

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:45:13 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> Rachel wrote:
> >
> > real life doll
>
>
> > a little girl
> > plays with her dolly
> > her very own baby
> > to keep her company
>
> > she holds her
> > carries her around
> > sleeps with her
> > they hug and cuddle
> > maybe even feeds her
>
> > some dolls even
> > eat and drink
> > then pee and poop...
> > yes, believe it or not
> > it’s really true
>
> > you can feed them purées
> > and baby bottles of juice,
> > then change their diapers
> > when they wet and drop a deuce
>
> > everybody pees and poops
> > so what was i so uptight about?
>
> > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > made to act, eat, and drink
> > put in some food and some liquid
> > then out comes the waste...
> > what’s a person to think?
>
> > who are we, really
> > does anybody know?
> > where are we, really?
> > where do we go...
> > when we finally leave our bodies
> > this thing they call soul?
>
> > are we just beings
> > in the material world,
> > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > ghosts flying ‘round
> > inside a machine?
> > our bodies all sharing
> > one communally-planned dream
> > of hosts floating freely
> > voices dancing on strings?
> > where does the soul go
> > after we die?
>
> > i don’t know much
> > about any of these things...
> > i never had a dolly
> > who could dance or sing
> > certainly never one
> > who heeded nature’s call...
> > i never really had
> > a doll of any kind at all
> > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > i never wanted one...
> > to me they didn’t seem
> > like they would be all that much fun
> > i had a few books
> > and some records
> > which i somehow collected,
> > and my birds, and my fishes
> > and a few little wishes...
>
> > and now
> > i don’t have a baby, either
>
> > my dog is dead
> > i live alone
> > feed myself
> > and wipe my own ass...
> > at least for now
> > as best i can
> > yeah, it’s a real gas
>
> > yes, i don’t have
> > my very own baby,
> > perhaps that was even
> > a good thing...maybe
>
> > my cousin got hit by a car
> > two cousins, in fact
> > in two separate accidents
> > yet both were still hit
> > one of them lived
> > the other one died
> > i even had a cousin
> > who committed suicide
>
> > i never played with a dolly
> > what kind of plan is this
> > when judas betrayed jesus
> > he did so with a kiss
>
> > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > all about me,
> > how things might have turned out
> > differently,
> > if i had had a doll
> > who poops and pees?
>
> > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > and more willing to play along
> > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > in this planet’s never-ending song
>
> > then again, maybe not
> > it’s probably all just a crock
> > ask hitler what he thought
> > when he looked around, too
> > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > with all of these jews?
>
> > i guess i, myself,
> > just don’t see...
> > the point of it all,
> > this point to be...
> > where everyone plays along
> > and is all but the same
> > making more and more babies
> > human links in a chain
> > never stopping to ask
> > who designed this whole game
>
> > maybe i’m on the outside
> > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > where every day is a struggle
> > and my troubles weigh a ton
>
> > what do little girls do
> > with their babies
> > when they grow up?
>
>
> > Jolene
> Fabulous poem, a musing on twein siblings, motherhood and other related issues..?

I was thinking similarly.

On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 2:08:38 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> real life doll
>
>
> a little girl
> plays with her dolly
> her very own baby
> to keep her company
>
> she holds her
> carries her around
> sleeps with her
> they hug and cuddle
> maybe even feeds her
>
> some dolls even
> eat and drink
> then pee and poop...
> yes, believe it or not
> it’s really true
>
> you can feed them purées
> and baby bottles of juice,
> then change their diapers
> when they wet and drop a deuce
>
> everybody pees and poops
> so what was i so uptight about?
>
> it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> made to act, eat, and drink
> put in some food and some liquid
> then out comes the waste...
> what’s a person to think?
>
> who are we, really
> does anybody know?
> where are we, really?
> where do we go...
> when we finally leave our bodies
> this thing they call soul?
>
> are we just beings
> in the material world,
> shadowy spirits unseen?
> ghosts flying ‘round
> inside a machine?
> our bodies all sharing
> one communally-planned dream
> of hosts floating freely
> voices dancing on strings?
> where does the soul go
> after we die?
>
> i don’t know much
> about any of these things...
> i never had a dolly
> who could dance or sing
> certainly never one
> who heeded nature’s call...
> i never really had
> a doll of any kind at all
> but i wasn’t missing anything
> i never wanted one...
> to me they didn’t seem
> like they would be all that much fun
> i had a few books
> and some records
> which i somehow collected,
> and my birds, and my fishes
> and a few little wishes...
>
> and now
> i don’t have a baby, either
>
> my dog is dead
> i live alone
> feed myself
> and wipe my own ass...
> at least for now
> as best i can
> yeah, it’s a real gas
>
> yes, i don’t have
> my very own baby,
> perhaps that was even
> a good thing...maybe
>
> my cousin got hit by a car
> two cousins, in fact
> in two separate accidents
> yet both were still hit
> one of them lived
> the other one died
> i even had a cousin
> who committed suicide
>
> i never played with a dolly
> what kind of plan is this
> when judas betrayed jesus
> he did so with a kiss
>
> so i just have to stop and wonder,
> all about me,
> how things might have turned out
> differently,
> if i had had a doll
> who poops and pees?
>
> maybe i would have been more prepared
> and more willing to play along
> where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> in this planet’s never-ending song
>
> then again, maybe not
> it’s probably all just a crock
> ask hitler what he thought
> when he looked around, too
> and asked himself, what am i to do
> with all of these jews?
>
> i guess i, myself,
> just don’t see...
> the point of it all,
> this point to be...
> where everyone plays along
> and is all but the same
> making more and more babies
> human links in a chain
> never stopping to ask
> who designed this whole game
>
> maybe i’m on the outside
> of whatever side they’re all on…
> where every day is a struggle
> and my troubles weigh a ton
>
> what do little girls do
> with their babies
> when they grow up?
>
>
> Jolene

i changed this to

in a material world

not the

On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:02:21 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 3:37:58 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 2:30:09 AM UTC-4, fake Zod forged:
> > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > >
> > > > real life doll
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > a little girl
> > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > her very own baby
> > > > to keep her company
> > > >
> > > > she holds her
> > > > carries her around
> > > > sleeps with her
> > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > >
> > > > some dolls even
> > > > eat and drink
> > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > it’s really true
> > > >
> > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > then change their diapers
> > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > >
> > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > >
> > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > >
> > > > who are we, really
> > > > does anybody know?
> > > > where are we, really?
> > > > where do we go...
> > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > >
> > > > are we just beings
> > > > in the material world,
> > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > inside a machine?
> > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > where does the soul go
> > > > after we die?
> > > >
> > > > i don’t know much
> > > > about any of these things...
> > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > certainly never one
> > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > i never really had
> > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > i had a few books
> > > > and some records
> > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > >
> > > > and now
> > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > >
> > > > my dog is dead
> > > > i live alone
> > > > feed myself
> > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > at least for now
> > > > as best i can
> > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > >
> > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > my very own baby,
> > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > >
> > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > one of them lived
> > > > the other one died
> > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > who committed suicide
> > > >
> > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > >
> > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > all about me,
> > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > differently,
> > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > who poops and pees?
> > > >
> > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > >
> > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > with all of these jews?
> > > >
> > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > just don’t see...
> > > > the point of it all,
> > > > this point to be...
> > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > and is all but the same
> > > > making more and more babies
> > > > human links in a chain
> > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > who designed this whole game
> > > >
> > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > >
> > > > what do little girls do
> > > > with their babies
> > > > when they grow up?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jolene
> > >
> > > I would masturbate to this if my dick worked and the burning sensation wasn't so bad.
> > Obvious forgery ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> thank you sweet william :-)

Again, you're welcome.

🙂

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:39:08 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:32:37 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > real life doll
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a little girl
> > > > > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > > > > her very own baby
> > > > > > > to keep her company
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > she holds her
> > > > > > > carries her around
> > > > > > > sleeps with her
> > > > > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > some dolls even
> > > > > > > eat and drink
> > > > > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > > > > it’s really true
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > > > > then change their diapers
> > > > > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > who are we, really
> > > > > > > does anybody know?
> > > > > > > where are we, really?
> > > > > > > where do we go...
> > > > > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > are we just beings
> > > > > > > in the material world,
> > > > > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > > > > inside a machine?
> > > > > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > > > > where does the soul go
> > > > > > > after we die?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i don’t know much
> > > > > > > about any of these things...
> > > > > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > > > > certainly never one
> > > > > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > > > > i never really had
> > > > > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > > > > i had a few books
> > > > > > > and some records
> > > > > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > my dog is dead
> > > > > > > i live alone
> > > > > > > feed myself
> > > > > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > > > > at least for now
> > > > > > > as best i can
> > > > > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > > > > my very own baby,
> > > > > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > > > > one of them lived
> > > > > > > the other one died
> > > > > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > > > > who committed suicide
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > > > > all about me,
> > > > > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > > > > who poops and pees?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > > > > with all of these jews?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > > > > just don’t see...
> > > > > > > the point of it all,
> > > > > > > this point to be...
> > > > > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > > > > and is all but the same
> > > > > > > making more and more babies
> > > > > > > human links in a chain
> > > > > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > > > > who designed this whole game
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what do little girls do
> > > > > > > with their babies
> > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jolene
> > > > > > I enjoyed this in stretches, I was appropriately disturbed in most of the right places.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The duality, yin and yang, and life unkind almost random.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Reminds me of Carl Sandburg in his longer winded moments, which is a good thing, and, of all things, some other early efforts at written/spoken poetry, 1976-77.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for posting, Rachel, as always, thought provoking.
> > > > > May I asked which parts disturbed you, and why? Just curious. (not immediately obvious to me *at_all!*)
> > > > Hello again Rachel, I'll go over the poem point by point soon, when time permits.
> > > jeez wow....you've got me antsy now, i don't think the poem deserves it which makes me think your comments are going to be more insightful than the intention behind the poem itself!!! :)
> > Do you remember Philo's critique of your poem the original thread?
> >
> > A few of my thoughts are derived from his observations.
> >
> > The disturbing elements come from the simple acceptance of the duality of life and the multiverse.
> >
> > Could be I've been watching too many Marvel Comics films.
> >
>
> I didn't remember either too well, but re-reading the thread before working with it jogged my memory! i like philo's poems! and i remember he posted a video of his wife's (or partner's) paintings, i THINK !?!!??!? iinm...? something...? an exhibit perhaps? he had good true life stories too, IINM. i'm sorry. my memory is finicky. it only gloms onto certain things, and is not that sharp for later life experiences, except perhaps for me being a one-eyed midget, and that's not necessarily (???) much of an attractive quality. oh well. :(
>
> if only i could exercise, too. i am severely injured. :-/// crud. :-(((

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:15:59 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:39:08 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:32:37 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > real life doll
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a little girl
> > > > > > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > > > > > her very own baby
> > > > > > > > to keep her company
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > she holds her
> > > > > > > > carries her around
> > > > > > > > sleeps with her
> > > > > > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > > > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > some dolls even
> > > > > > > > eat and drink
> > > > > > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > > > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > > > > > it’s really true
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > > > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > > > > > then change their diapers
> > > > > > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > > > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > > > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > > > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > > > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > > > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > who are we, really
> > > > > > > > does anybody know?
> > > > > > > > where are we, really?
> > > > > > > > where do we go...
> > > > > > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > > > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > are we just beings
> > > > > > > > in the material world,
> > > > > > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > > > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > > > > > inside a machine?
> > > > > > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > > > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > > > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > > > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > > > > > where does the soul go
> > > > > > > > after we die?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i don’t know much
> > > > > > > > about any of these things...
> > > > > > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > > > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > > > > > certainly never one
> > > > > > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > > > > > i never really had
> > > > > > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > > > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > > > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > i had a few books
> > > > > > > > and some records
> > > > > > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > > > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > > > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > my dog is dead
> > > > > > > > i live alone
> > > > > > > > feed myself
> > > > > > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > > > > > at least for now
> > > > > > > > as best i can
> > > > > > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > > > > > my very own baby,
> > > > > > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > > > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > > > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > > > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > > > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > > > > > one of them lived
> > > > > > > > the other one died
> > > > > > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > > > > > who committed suicide
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > > > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > > > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > > > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > > > > > all about me,
> > > > > > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > > > > > who poops and pees?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > > > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > > > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > > > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > > > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > > > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > > > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > > > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > > > > > with all of these jews?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > > > > > just don’t see...
> > > > > > > > the point of it all,
> > > > > > > > this point to be...
> > > > > > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > > > > > and is all but the same
> > > > > > > > making more and more babies
> > > > > > > > human links in a chain
> > > > > > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > > > > > who designed this whole game
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > > > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > > > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > > > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > what do little girls do
> > > > > > > > with their babies
> > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jolene
> > > > > > > I enjoyed this in stretches, I was appropriately disturbed in most of the right places.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The duality, yin and yang, and life unkind almost random.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Reminds me of Carl Sandburg in his longer winded moments, which is a good thing, and, of all things, some other early efforts at written/spoken poetry, 1976-77.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for posting, Rachel, as always, thought provoking.
> > > > > > May I asked which parts disturbed you, and why? Just curious. (not immediately obvious to me *at_all!*)
> > > > > Hello again Rachel, I'll go over the poem point by point soon, when time permits.
> > > > jeez wow....you've got me antsy now, i don't think the poem deserves it which makes me think your comments are going to be more insightful than the intention behind the poem itself!!! :)
> > > Do you remember Philo's critique of your poem the original thread?
> > >
> > > A few of my thoughts are derived from his observations.
> > >
> > > The disturbing elements come from the simple acceptance of the duality of life and the multiverse.
> > >
> > > Could be I've been watching too many Marvel Comics films.
> > >
> >
> > I didn't remember either too well, but re-reading the thread before working with it jogged my memory! i like philo's poems! and i remember he posted a video of his wife's (or partner's) paintings, i THINK !?!!??!? iinm...? something...? an exhibit perhaps? he had good true life stories too, IINM.. i'm sorry. my memory is finicky. it only gloms onto certain things, and is not that sharp for later life experiences, except perhaps for me being a one-eyed midget, and that's not necessarily (???) much of an attractive quality. oh well. :(
> >
> > if only i could exercise, too. i am severely injured. :-/// crud. :-(((
>
> Here is Philo's Facebook page, he's often got something interesting going:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/philip.kassner?mibextid=ZbWKwL

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:11:10 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:15:59 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:39:08 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:32:37 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > real life doll
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > a little girl
> > > > > > > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > > > > > > her very own baby
> > > > > > > > > to keep her company
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > she holds her
> > > > > > > > > carries her around
> > > > > > > > > sleeps with her
> > > > > > > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > > > > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > some dolls even
> > > > > > > > > eat and drink
> > > > > > > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > > > > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > > > > > > it’s really true
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > > > > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > > > > > > then change their diapers
> > > > > > > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > > > > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > > > > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > > > > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > > > > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > > > > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > who are we, really
> > > > > > > > > does anybody know?
> > > > > > > > > where are we, really?
> > > > > > > > > where do we go...
> > > > > > > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > > > > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > are we just beings
> > > > > > > > > in the material world,
> > > > > > > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > > > > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > > > > > > inside a machine?
> > > > > > > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > > > > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > > > > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > > > > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > > > > > > where does the soul go
> > > > > > > > > after we die?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i don’t know much
> > > > > > > > > about any of these things...
> > > > > > > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > > > > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > > > > > > certainly never one
> > > > > > > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > > > > > > i never really had
> > > > > > > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > > > > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > > > > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > i had a few books
> > > > > > > > > and some records
> > > > > > > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > > > > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > > > > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > my dog is dead
> > > > > > > > > i live alone
> > > > > > > > > feed myself
> > > > > > > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > > > > > > at least for now
> > > > > > > > > as best i can
> > > > > > > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > > > > > > my very own baby,
> > > > > > > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > > > > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > > > > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > > > > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > > > > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > > > > > > one of them lived
> > > > > > > > > the other one died
> > > > > > > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > > > > > > who committed suicide
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > > > > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > > > > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > > > > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > > > > > > all about me,
> > > > > > > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > > > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > > > > > > who poops and pees?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > > > > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > > > > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > > > > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > > > > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > > > > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > > > > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > > > > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > > > > > > with all of these jews?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > > > > > > just don’t see...
> > > > > > > > > the point of it all,
> > > > > > > > > this point to be...
> > > > > > > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > > > > > > and is all but the same
> > > > > > > > > making more and more babies
> > > > > > > > > human links in a chain
> > > > > > > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > > > > > > who designed this whole game
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > > > > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > > > > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > > > > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > what do little girls do
> > > > > > > > > with their babies
> > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jolene
> > > > > > > > I enjoyed this in stretches, I was appropriately disturbed in most of the right places.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The duality, yin and yang, and life unkind almost random.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Reminds me of Carl Sandburg in his longer winded moments, which is a good thing, and, of all things, some other early efforts at written/spoken poetry, 1976-77.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for posting, Rachel, as always, thought provoking.
> > > > > > > May I asked which parts disturbed you, and why? Just curious. (not immediately obvious to me *at_all!*)
> > > > > > Hello again Rachel, I'll go over the poem point by point soon, when time permits.
> > > > > jeez wow....you've got me antsy now, i don't think the poem deserves it which makes me think your comments are going to be more insightful than the intention behind the poem itself!!! :)
> > > > Do you remember Philo's critique of your poem the original thread?
> > > >
> > > > A few of my thoughts are derived from his observations.
> > > >
> > > > The disturbing elements come from the simple acceptance of the duality of life and the multiverse.
> > > >
> > > > Could be I've been watching too many Marvel Comics films.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I didn't remember either too well, but re-reading the thread before working with it jogged my memory! i like philo's poems! and i remember he posted a video of his wife's (or partner's) paintings, i THINK !?!!??!? iinm....? something...? an exhibit perhaps? he had good true life stories too, IINM. i'm sorry. my memory is finicky. it only gloms onto certain things, and is not that sharp for later life experiences, except perhaps for me being a one-eyed midget, and that's not necessarily (???) much of an attractive quality. oh well. :(
> > >
> > > if only i could exercise, too. i am severely injured. :-/// crud. :-(((
> >
> > Here is Philo's Facebook page, he's often got something interesting going:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/philip.kassner?mibextid=ZbWKwL
> i'm not on facebook
>
> but philo, if you're still hanging around, i was wondering what you think of my categorical bad poem now?
>
> did i bump it out of the dustbin of cultural oblivion? or at least get it taken off the same shelf as rebecca black's friday song?

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:29:22 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:11:10 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:15:59 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:39:08 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:32:37 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > real life doll
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a little girl
> > > > > > > > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > > > > > > > her very own baby
> > > > > > > > > > to keep her company
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > she holds her
> > > > > > > > > > carries her around
> > > > > > > > > > sleeps with her
> > > > > > > > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > > > > > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > some dolls even
> > > > > > > > > > eat and drink
> > > > > > > > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > > > > > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > > > > > > > it’s really true
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > > > > > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > > > > > > > then change their diapers
> > > > > > > > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > > > > > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > > > > > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > > > > > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > > > > > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > > > > > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > who are we, really
> > > > > > > > > > does anybody know?
> > > > > > > > > > where are we, really?
> > > > > > > > > > where do we go...
> > > > > > > > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > > > > > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > are we just beings
> > > > > > > > > > in the material world,
> > > > > > > > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > > > > > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > > > > > > > inside a machine?
> > > > > > > > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > > > > > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > > > > > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > > > > > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > > > > > > > where does the soul go
> > > > > > > > > > after we die?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > i don’t know much
> > > > > > > > > > about any of these things...
> > > > > > > > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > > > > > > > certainly never one
> > > > > > > > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > > > > > > > i never really had
> > > > > > > > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > > > > > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > > > > > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > > i had a few books
> > > > > > > > > > and some records
> > > > > > > > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > > > > > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > > > > > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > my dog is dead
> > > > > > > > > > i live alone
> > > > > > > > > > feed myself
> > > > > > > > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > > > > > > > at least for now
> > > > > > > > > > as best i can
> > > > > > > > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > > > > > > > my very own baby,
> > > > > > > > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > > > > > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > > > > > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > > > > > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > > > > > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > > > > > > > one of them lived
> > > > > > > > > > the other one died
> > > > > > > > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > > > > > > > who committed suicide
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > > > > > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > > > > > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > > > > > > > all about me,
> > > > > > > > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > > > > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > > > > > > > who poops and pees?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > > > > > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > > > > > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > > > > > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > > > > > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > > > > > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > > > > > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > > > > > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > > > > > > > with all of these jews?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > > > > > > > just don’t see...
> > > > > > > > > > the point of it all,
> > > > > > > > > > this point to be...
> > > > > > > > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > > > > > > > and is all but the same
> > > > > > > > > > making more and more babies
> > > > > > > > > > human links in a chain
> > > > > > > > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > > > > > > > who designed this whole game
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > > > > > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > > > > > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > > > > > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > what do little girls do
> > > > > > > > > > with their babies
> > > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jolene
> > > > > > > > > I enjoyed this in stretches, I was appropriately disturbed in most of the right places.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The duality, yin and yang, and life unkind almost random.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Reminds me of Carl Sandburg in his longer winded moments, which is a good thing, and, of all things, some other early efforts at written/spoken poetry, 1976-77.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting, Rachel, as always, thought provoking.
> > > > > > > > May I asked which parts disturbed you, and why? Just curious. (not immediately obvious to me *at_all!*)
> > > > > > > Hello again Rachel, I'll go over the poem point by point soon, when time permits.
> > > > > > jeez wow....you've got me antsy now, i don't think the poem deserves it which makes me think your comments are going to be more insightful than the intention behind the poem itself!!! :)
> > > > > Do you remember Philo's critique of your poem the original thread?
> > > > >
> > > > > A few of my thoughts are derived from his observations.
> > > > >
> > > > > The disturbing elements come from the simple acceptance of the duality of life and the multiverse.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could be I've been watching too many Marvel Comics films.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn't remember either too well, but re-reading the thread before working with it jogged my memory! i like philo's poems! and i remember he posted a video of his wife's (or partner's) paintings, i THINK !?!!??!? iinm...? something...? an exhibit perhaps? he had good true life stories too, IINM. i'm sorry. my memory is finicky. it only gloms onto certain things, and is not that sharp for later life experiences, except perhaps for me being a one-eyed midget, and that's not necessarily (???) much of an attractive quality. oh well. :(
> > > >
> > > > if only i could exercise, too. i am severely injured. :-/// crud. :-(((
> > >
> > > Here is Philo's Facebook page, he's often got something interesting going:
> > >
> > > https://www.facebook.com/philip.kassner?mibextid=ZbWKwL
> > i'm not on facebook
> >
> > but philo, if you're still hanging around, i was wondering what you think of my categorical bad poem now?
> >
> > did i bump it out of the dustbin of cultural oblivion? or at least get it taken off the same shelf as rebecca black's friday song?
> ps seriously anyone....michael, ash, edward, will, nancygene, etc...(george etc...)
>
> which ending do you like better? the little girls one or the you one?
>
> i don't know WHY, but i would just like to make this as good as it can be.. for some reason i keep reading it over and over, it really grabs me.
>
> TIA???

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:30:34 AM UTC, Rachel wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:15:59 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:39:08 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > >> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:32:37 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > >> On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > real life doll
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > a little girl
> > > > > > > > > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > her very own baby
> > > > > > > > > > > to keep her company
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > she holds her
> > > > > > > > > > > carries her around
> > > > > > > > > > > sleeps with her
> > > > > > > > > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > > > > > > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > some dolls even
> > > > > > > > > > > eat and drink
> > > > > > > > > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > > > > > > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s really true
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > > > > > > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > > > > > > > > then change their diapers
> > > > > > > > > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > > > > > > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > > > > > > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > > > > > > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > > > > > > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > > > > > > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > who are we, really
> > > > > > > > > > > does anybody know?
> > > > > > > > > > > where are we, really?
> > > > > > > > > > > where do we go...
> > > > > > > > > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > > > > > > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > are we just beings
> > > > > > > > > > > in the material world,
> > > > > > > > > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > > > > > > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > > > > > > > > inside a machine?
> > > > > > > > > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > > > > > > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > > > > > > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > > > > > > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > > > > > > > > where does the soul go
> > > > > > > > > > > after we die?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > i don’t know much
> > > > > > > > > > > about any of these things...
> > > > > > > > > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > > > > > > > > certainly never one
> > > > > > > > > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > > > > > > > > i never really had
> > > > > > > > > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > > > > > > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > > > > > > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > > > i had a few books
> > > > > > > > > > > and some records
> > > > > > > > > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > > > > > > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > > > > > > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > my dog is dead
> > > > > > > > > > > i live alone
> > > > > > > > > > > feed myself
> > > > > > > > > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > > > > > > > > at least for now
> > > > > > > > > > > as best i can
> > > > > > > > > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > > > > > > > > my very own baby,
> > > > > > > > > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > > > > > > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > > > > > > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > > > > > > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > > > > > > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > > > > > > > > one of them lived
> > > > > > > > > > > the other one died
> > > > > > > > > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > > > > > > > > who committed suicide
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > > > > > > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > > > > > > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > > > > > > > > all about me,
> > > > > > > > > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > > > > > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > > > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > > > > > > > > who poops and pees?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > > > > > > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > > > > > > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > > > > > > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > > > > > > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > > > > > > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > > > > > > > > with all of these jews?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > > > > > > > > just don’t see...
> > > > > > > > > > > the point of it all,
> > > > > > > > > > > this point to be...
> > > > > > > > > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > > > > > > > > and is all but the same
> > > > > > > > > > > making more and more babies
> > > > > > > > > > > human links in a chain
> > > > > > > > > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > > > > > > > > who designed this whole game
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > > > > > > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > > > > > > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > > > > > > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > what do little girls do
> > > > > > > > > > > with their babies
> > > > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jolene
> > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed this in stretches, I was appropriately disturbed in most of the right places.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The duality, yin and yang, and life unkind almost random.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of Carl Sandburg in his longer winded moments, which is a good thing, and, of all things, some other early efforts at written/spoken poetry, 1976-77.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting, Rachel, as always, thought provoking.
> > > > > > > > > May I asked which parts disturbed you, and why? Just curious. (not immediately obvious to me *at_all!*)
> > > > > > > > Hello again Rachel, I'll go over the poem point by point soon, when time permits.
> > > > > > > jeez wow....you've got me antsy now, i don't think the poem deserves it which makes me think your comments are going to be more insightful than the intention behind the poem itself!!! :)
> > > > > > Do you remember Philo's critique of your poem the original thread?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A few of my thoughts are derived from his observations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The disturbing elements come from the simple acceptance of the duality of life and the multiverse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could be I've been watching too many Marvel Comics films.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't remember either too well, but re-reading the thread before working with it jogged my memory! i like philo's poems! and i remember he posted a video of his wife's (or partner's) paintings, i THINK !?!!??!? iinm...? something...? an exhibit perhaps? he had good true life stories too, IINM. i'm sorry. my memory is finicky. it only gloms onto certain things, and is not that sharp for later life experiences, except perhaps for me being a one-eyed midget, and that's not necessarily (???) much of an attractive quality. oh well. :(
> > > > >
> > > > > if only i could exercise, too. i am severely injured. :-/// crud. :-(((
> > > >
> > > > Here is Philo's Facebook page, he's often got something interesting going:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.facebook.com/philip.kassner?mibextid=ZbWKwL
> > > i'm not on facebook
> > >
> > > but philo, if you're still hanging around, i was wondering what you think of my categorical bad poem now?
> > >
> > > did i bump it out of the dustbin of cultural oblivion? or at least get it taken off the same shelf as rebecca black's friday song?
> > ps seriously anyone....michael, ash, edward, will, nancygene, etc...(george etc...)
> >
> > which ending do you like better? the little girls one or the you one?
> >
> > i don't know WHY, but i would just like to make this as good as it can be. for some reason i keep reading it over and over, it really grabs me.
> >
> > TIA???
> i meant george dance, since zod is apparently back in jail

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:19:29 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:30:34 AM UTC, Rachel wrote:
> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:15:59 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:39:08 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > >> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:32:37 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > real life doll
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > a little girl
> > > > > > > > > > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > > her very own baby
> > > > > > > > > > > > to keep her company
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > she holds her
> > > > > > > > > > > > carries her around
> > > > > > > > > > > > sleeps with her
> > > > > > > > > > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > > > > > > > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > some dolls even
> > > > > > > > > > > > eat and drink
> > > > > > > > > > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > > > > > > > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’s really true
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > > > > > > > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > > > > > > > > > then change their diapers
> > > > > > > > > > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > > > > > > > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > > > > > > > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > > > > > > > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > > > > > > > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > > > > > > > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > who are we, really
> > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody know?
> > > > > > > > > > > > where are we, really?
> > > > > > > > > > > > where do we go...
> > > > > > > > > > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > > > > > > > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > are we just beings
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the material world,
> > > > > > > > > > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > > > > > > > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > > > > > > > > > inside a machine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > > > > > > > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > > > > > > > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > > > > > > > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > > > > > > > > > where does the soul go
> > > > > > > > > > > > after we die?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > i don’t know much
> > > > > > > > > > > > about any of these things...
> > > > > > > > > > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > > > > > > > > > certainly never one
> > > > > > > > > > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > > > > > > > > > i never really had
> > > > > > > > > > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > > > > > > > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > > > > > > > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > > > > i had a few books
> > > > > > > > > > > > and some records
> > > > > > > > > > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > > > > > > > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > > > > > > > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > my dog is dead
> > > > > > > > > > > > i live alone
> > > > > > > > > > > > feed myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > > > > > > > > > at least for now
> > > > > > > > > > > > as best i can
> > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > > > > > > > > > my very own baby,
> > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > > > > > > > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > > > > > > > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > > > > > > > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > > > > > > > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > > > > > > > > > one of them lived
> > > > > > > > > > > > the other one died
> > > > > > > > > > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > > > > > > > > > who committed suicide
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > > > > > > > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > > > > > > > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > > > > > > > > > all about me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > > > > > > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > > > > > > > > > who poops and pees?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > > > > > > > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > > > > > > > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > > > > > > > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > > > > > > > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > > > > > > > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > > > > > > > > > with all of these jews?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > > > > > > > > > just don’t see...
> > > > > > > > > > > > the point of it all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > this point to be...
> > > > > > > > > > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > > > > > > > > > and is all but the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > making more and more babies
> > > > > > > > > > > > human links in a chain
> > > > > > > > > > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > > > > > > > > > who designed this whole game
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > > > > > > > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > > > > > > > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > what do little girls do
> > > > > > > > > > > > with their babies
> > > > > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jolene
> > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed this in stretches, I was appropriately disturbed in most of the right places.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The duality, yin and yang, and life unkind almost random.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of Carl Sandburg in his longer winded moments, which is a good thing, and, of all things, some other early efforts at written/spoken poetry, 1976-77.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting, Rachel, as always, thought provoking.
> > > > > > > > > > May I asked which parts disturbed you, and why? Just curious. (not immediately obvious to me *at_all!*)
> > > > > > > > > Hello again Rachel, I'll go over the poem point by point soon, when time permits.
> > > > > > > > jeez wow....you've got me antsy now, i don't think the poem deserves it which makes me think your comments are going to be more insightful than the intention behind the poem itself!!! :)
> > > > > > > Do you remember Philo's critique of your poem the original thread?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A few of my thoughts are derived from his observations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The disturbing elements come from the simple acceptance of the duality of life and the multiverse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Could be I've been watching too many Marvel Comics films.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I didn't remember either too well, but re-reading the thread before working with it jogged my memory! i like philo's poems! and i remember he posted a video of his wife's (or partner's) paintings, i THINK !?!!??!? iinm...? something...? an exhibit perhaps? he had good true life stories too, IINM. i'm sorry. my memory is finicky. it only gloms onto certain things, and is not that sharp for later life experiences, except perhaps for me being a one-eyed midget, and that's not necessarily (???) much of an attractive quality. oh well. :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if only i could exercise, too. i am severely injured. :-/// crud. :-(((
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is Philo's Facebook page, he's often got something interesting going:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.facebook.com/philip.kassner?mibextid=ZbWKwL
> > > > i'm not on facebook
> > > >
> > > > but philo, if you're still hanging around, i was wondering what you think of my categorical bad poem now?
> > > >
> > > > did i bump it out of the dustbin of cultural oblivion? or at least get it taken off the same shelf as rebecca black's friday song?
> > > ps seriously anyone....michael, ash, edward, will, nancygene, etc...(george etc...)
> > >
> > > which ending do you like better? the little girls one or the you one?
> > >
> > > i don't know WHY, but i would just like to make this as good as it can be. for some reason i keep reading it over and over, it really grabs me.
> > >
> > > TIA???
> > i meant george dance, since zod is apparently back in jail
> No, Zod isn't in jail, that's a lie started by the trolls here.
>
> HTH and HAND.

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:51:59 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:19:29 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:30:34 AM UTC, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:15:59 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > >> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:39:08 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > >> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:32:37 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > real life doll
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a little girl
> > > > > > > > > > > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > her very own baby
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep her company
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > she holds her
> > > > > > > > > > > > > carries her around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sleeps with her
> > > > > > > > > > > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > some dolls even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > eat and drink
> > > > > > > > > > > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s really true
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > then change their diapers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > > > > > > > > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > > > > > > > > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who are we, really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody know?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > where are we, really?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > where do we go...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are we just beings
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the material world,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > > > > > > > > > > inside a machine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > where does the soul go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > after we die?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i don’t know much
> > > > > > > > > > > > > about any of these things...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly never one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i never really had
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i had a few books
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and some records
> > > > > > > > > > > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > my dog is dead
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i live alone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feed myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > at least for now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as best i can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > my very own baby,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > > > > > > > > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > one of them lived
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the other one died
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who committed suicide
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > all about me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who poops and pees?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > > > > > > > > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with all of these jews?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > just don’t see...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the point of it all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this point to be...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and is all but the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > making more and more babies
> > > > > > > > > > > > > human links in a chain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who designed this whole game
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > > > > > > > > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what do little girls do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with their babies
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jolene
> > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed this in stretches, I was appropriately disturbed in most of the right places.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The duality, yin and yang, and life unkind almost random.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of Carl Sandburg in his longer winded moments, which is a good thing, and, of all things, some other early efforts at written/spoken poetry, 1976-77.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting, Rachel, as always, thought provoking.
> > > > > > > > > > > May I asked which parts disturbed you, and why? Just curious. (not immediately obvious to me *at_all!*)
> > > > > > > > > > Hello again Rachel, I'll go over the poem point by point soon, when time permits.
> > > > > > > > > jeez wow....you've got me antsy now, i don't think the poem deserves it which makes me think your comments are going to be more insightful than the intention behind the poem itself!!! :)
> > > > > > > > Do you remember Philo's critique of your poem the original thread?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A few of my thoughts are derived from his observations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The disturbing elements come from the simple acceptance of the duality of life and the multiverse.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Could be I've been watching too many Marvel Comics films.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I didn't remember either too well, but re-reading the thread before working with it jogged my memory! i like philo's poems! and i remember he posted a video of his wife's (or partner's) paintings, i THINK !?!!??!? iinm...? something...? an exhibit perhaps? he had good true life stories too, IINM. i'm sorry. my memory is finicky. it only gloms onto certain things, and is not that sharp for later life experiences, except perhaps for me being a one-eyed midget, and that's not necessarily (???) much of an attractive quality. oh well. :(
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > if only i could exercise, too. i am severely injured. :-/// crud. :-(((
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is Philo's Facebook page, he's often got something interesting going:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.facebook.com/philip.kassner?mibextid=ZbWKwL
> > > > > i'm not on facebook
> > > > >
> > > > > but philo, if you're still hanging around, i was wondering what you think of my categorical bad poem now?
> > > > >
> > > > > did i bump it out of the dustbin of cultural oblivion? or at least get it taken off the same shelf as rebecca black's friday song?
> > > > ps seriously anyone....michael, ash, edward, will, nancygene, etc....(george etc...)
> > > >
> > > > which ending do you like better? the little girls one or the you one?
> > > >
> > > > i don't know WHY, but i would just like to make this as good as it can be. for some reason i keep reading it over and over, it really grabs me..
> > > >
> > > > TIA???
> > > i meant george dance, since zod is apparently back in jail
> > No, Zod isn't in jail, that's a lie started by the trolls here.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> i'm actually think the initial change was a good idea
>
> what do liitle girls do
> with their babies
> when they grow up?
> it's just....i can't imagine anyone wanting to waste their time meditating upon that reflection.

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:11:10 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:15:59 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:39:08 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:32:37 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > real life doll
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > a little girl
> > > > > > > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > > > > > > her very own baby
> > > > > > > > > to keep her company
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > she holds her
> > > > > > > > > carries her around
> > > > > > > > > sleeps with her
> > > > > > > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > > > > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > some dolls even
> > > > > > > > > eat and drink
> > > > > > > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > > > > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > > > > > > it’s really true
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > > > > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > > > > > > then change their diapers
> > > > > > > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > > > > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > > > > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > > > > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > > > > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > > > > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > who are we, really
> > > > > > > > > does anybody know?
> > > > > > > > > where are we, really?
> > > > > > > > > where do we go...
> > > > > > > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > > > > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > are we just beings
> > > > > > > > > in the material world,
> > > > > > > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > > > > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > > > > > > inside a machine?
> > > > > > > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > > > > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > > > > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > > > > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > > > > > > where does the soul go
> > > > > > > > > after we die?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i don’t know much
> > > > > > > > > about any of these things...
> > > > > > > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > > > > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > > > > > > certainly never one
> > > > > > > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > > > > > > i never really had
> > > > > > > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > > > > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > > > > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > i had a few books
> > > > > > > > > and some records
> > > > > > > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > > > > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > > > > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > my dog is dead
> > > > > > > > > i live alone
> > > > > > > > > feed myself
> > > > > > > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > > > > > > at least for now
> > > > > > > > > as best i can
> > > > > > > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > > > > > > my very own baby,
> > > > > > > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > > > > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > > > > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > > > > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > > > > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > > > > > > one of them lived
> > > > > > > > > the other one died
> > > > > > > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > > > > > > who committed suicide
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > > > > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > > > > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > > > > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > > > > > > all about me,
> > > > > > > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > > > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > > > > > > who poops and pees?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > > > > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > > > > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > > > > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > > > > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > > > > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > > > > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > > > > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > > > > > > with all of these jews?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > > > > > > just don’t see...
> > > > > > > > > the point of it all,
> > > > > > > > > this point to be...
> > > > > > > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > > > > > > and is all but the same
> > > > > > > > > making more and more babies
> > > > > > > > > human links in a chain
> > > > > > > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > > > > > > who designed this whole game
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > > > > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > > > > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > > > > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > what do little girls do
> > > > > > > > > with their babies
> > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jolene
> > > > > > > > I enjoyed this in stretches, I was appropriately disturbed in most of the right places.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The duality, yin and yang, and life unkind almost random.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Reminds me of Carl Sandburg in his longer winded moments, which is a good thing, and, of all things, some other early efforts at written/spoken poetry, 1976-77.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for posting, Rachel, as always, thought provoking.
> > > > > > > May I asked which parts disturbed you, and why? Just curious. (not immediately obvious to me *at_all!*)
> > > > > > Hello again Rachel, I'll go over the poem point by point soon, when time permits.
> > > > > jeez wow....you've got me antsy now, i don't think the poem deserves it which makes me think your comments are going to be more insightful than the intention behind the poem itself!!! :)
> > > > Do you remember Philo's critique of your poem the original thread?
> > > >
> > > > A few of my thoughts are derived from his observations.
> > > >
> > > > The disturbing elements come from the simple acceptance of the duality of life and the multiverse.
> > > >
> > > > Could be I've been watching too many Marvel Comics films.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I didn't remember either too well, but re-reading the thread before working with it jogged my memory! i like philo's poems! and i remember he posted a video of his wife's (or partner's) paintings, i THINK !?!!??!? iinm....? something...? an exhibit perhaps? he had good true life stories too, IINM. i'm sorry. my memory is finicky. it only gloms onto certain things, and is not that sharp for later life experiences, except perhaps for me being a one-eyed midget, and that's not necessarily (???) much of an attractive quality. oh well. :(
> > >
> > > if only i could exercise, too. i am severely injured. :-/// crud. :-(((
> >
> > Here is Philo's Facebook page, he's often got something interesting going:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/philip.kassner?mibextid=ZbWKwL
> i'm not on facebook
>
> but philo, if you're still hanging around, i was wondering what you think of my categorical bad poem now?
>
> did i bump it out of the dustbin of cultural oblivion? or at least get it taken off the same shelf as rebecca black's friday song?

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:30:34 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:29:22 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:39:08 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-4, Rachel wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > real life doll
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > a little girl
> > > > > > > > > > > plays with her dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > her very own baby
> > > > > > > > > > > to keep her company
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > she holds her
> > > > > > > > > > > carries her around
> > > > > > > > > > > sleeps with her
> > > > > > > > > > > they hug and cuddle
> > > > > > > > > > > maybe even feeds her
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > some dolls even
> > > > > > > > > > > eat and drink
> > > > > > > > > > > then pee and poop...
> > > > > > > > > > > yes, believe it or not
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s really true
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > you can feed them purées
> > > > > > > > > > > and baby bottles of juice,
> > > > > > > > > > > then change their diapers
> > > > > > > > > > > when they wet and drop a deuce
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > everybody pees and poops
> > > > > > > > > > > so what was i so uptight about?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > it seems we’re all hollow tubes
> > > > > > > > > > > made to act, eat, and drink
> > > > > > > > > > > put in some food and some liquid
> > > > > > > > > > > then out comes the waste...
> > > > > > > > > > > what’s a person to think?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > who are we, really
> > > > > > > > > > > does anybody know?
> > > > > > > > > > > where are we, really?
> > > > > > > > > > > where do we go...
> > > > > > > > > > > when we finally leave our bodies
> > > > > > > > > > > this thing they call soul?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > are we just beings
> > > > > > > > > > > in the material world,
> > > > > > > > > > > shadowy spirits unseen?
> > > > > > > > > > > ghosts flying ‘round
> > > > > > > > > > > inside a machine?
> > > > > > > > > > > our bodies all sharing
> > > > > > > > > > > one communally-planned dream
> > > > > > > > > > > of hosts floating freely
> > > > > > > > > > > voices dancing on strings?
> > > > > > > > > > > where does the soul go
> > > > > > > > > > > after we die?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > i don’t know much
> > > > > > > > > > > about any of these things...
> > > > > > > > > > > i never had a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > who could dance or sing
> > > > > > > > > > > certainly never one
> > > > > > > > > > > who heeded nature’s call...
> > > > > > > > > > > i never really had
> > > > > > > > > > > a doll of any kind at all
> > > > > > > > > > > but i wasn’t missing anything
> > > > > > > > > > > i never wanted one...
> > > > > > > > > > > to me they didn’t seem
> > > > > > > > > > > like they would be all that much fun
> > > > > > > > > > > i had a few books
> > > > > > > > > > > and some records
> > > > > > > > > > > which i somehow collected,
> > > > > > > > > > > and my birds, and my fishes
> > > > > > > > > > > and a few little wishes...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > and now
> > > > > > > > > > > i don’t have a baby, either
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > my dog is dead
> > > > > > > > > > > i live alone
> > > > > > > > > > > feed myself
> > > > > > > > > > > and wipe my own ass...
> > > > > > > > > > > at least for now
> > > > > > > > > > > as best i can
> > > > > > > > > > > yeah, it’s a real gas
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > yes, i don’t have
> > > > > > > > > > > my very own baby,
> > > > > > > > > > > perhaps that was even
> > > > > > > > > > > a good thing...maybe
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > my cousin got hit by a car
> > > > > > > > > > > two cousins, in fact
> > > > > > > > > > > in two separate accidents
> > > > > > > > > > > yet both were still hit
> > > > > > > > > > > one of them lived
> > > > > > > > > > > the other one died
> > > > > > > > > > > i even had a cousin
> > > > > > > > > > > who committed suicide
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > i never played with a dolly
> > > > > > > > > > > what kind of plan is this
> > > > > > > > > > > when judas betrayed jesus
> > > > > > > > > > > he did so with a kiss
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > so i just have to stop and wonder,
> > > > > > > > > > > all about me,
> > > > > > > > > > > how things might have turned out
> > > > > > > > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > > > > > if i had had a doll
> > > > > > > > > > > who poops and pees?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > maybe i would have been more prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > and more willing to play along
> > > > > > > > > > > where the goal of the brain is reproduction,
> > > > > > > > > > > in this planet’s never-ending song
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > then again, maybe not
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s probably all just a crock
> > > > > > > > > > > ask hitler what he thought
> > > > > > > > > > > when he looked around, too
> > > > > > > > > > > and asked himself, what am i to do
> > > > > > > > > > > with all of these jews?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > i guess i, myself,
> > > > > > > > > > > just don’t see...
> > > > > > > > > > > the point of it all,
> > > > > > > > > > > this point to be...
> > > > > > > > > > > where everyone plays along
> > > > > > > > > > > and is all but the same
> > > > > > > > > > > making more and more babies
> > > > > > > > > > > human links in a chain
> > > > > > > > > > > never stopping to ask
> > > > > > > > > > > who designed this whole game
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > maybe i’m on the outside
> > > > > > > > > > > of whatever side they’re all on…
> > > > > > > > > > > where every day is a struggle
> > > > > > > > > > > and my troubles weigh a ton
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > what do little girls do
> > > > > > > > > > > with their babies
> > > > > > > > > > > when they grow up?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jolene
> > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed this in stretches, I was appropriately disturbed in most of the right places.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The duality, yin and yang, and life unkind almost random.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of Carl Sandburg in his longer winded moments, which is a good thing, and, of all things, some other early efforts at written/spoken poetry, 1976-77.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting, Rachel, as always, thought provoking.
> > > > > > > > > May I asked which parts disturbed you, and why? Just curious. (not immediately obvious to me *at_all!*)
> > > > > > > > Hello again Rachel, I'll go over the poem point by point soon, when time permits.
> > > > > > > jeez wow....you've got me antsy now, i don't think the poem deserves it which makes me think your comments are going to be more insightful than the intention behind the poem itself!!! :)
> > > > > > Do you remember Philo's critique of your poem the original thread?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A few of my thoughts are derived from his observations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The disturbing elements come from the simple acceptance of the duality of life and the multiverse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could be I've been watching too many Marvel Comics films.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't remember either too well, but re-reading the thread before working with it jogged my memory! i like philo's poems! and i remember he posted a video of his wife's (or partner's) paintings, i THINK !?!!??!? iinm...? something...? an exhibit perhaps? he had good true life stories too, IINM. i'm sorry. my memory is finicky. it only gloms onto certain things, and is not that sharp for later life experiences, except perhaps for me being a one-eyed midget, and that's not necessarily (???) much of an attractive quality. oh well. :(
> > > > >
> > > > > if only i could exercise, too. i am severely injured. :-/// crud. :-(((
> > > >
> > > > Here is Philo's Facebook page, he's often got something interesting going:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.facebook.com/philip.kassner?mibextid=ZbWKwL
> > > i'm not on facebook
> > >
> > > but philo, if you're still hanging around, i was wondering what you think of my categorical bad poem now?
> > >
> > > did i bump it out of the dustbin of cultural oblivion? or at least get it taken off the same shelf as rebecca black's friday song?
> > ps seriously anyone....michael, ash, edward, will, nancygene, etc...(george etc...)
> >
> > which ending do you like better? the little girls one or the you one?
> >
> > i don't know WHY, but i would just like to make this as good as it can be. for some reason i keep reading it over and over, it really grabs me.
> >
> > TIA???
> i meant george dance, since zod is apparently back in jail