Jordy C wrote:

> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
>> > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
>> > > >
>> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
>> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
>> > > >
>> > > > bonjour, Will
>
>> Hello there, Jordy.
> hola Mr Will

Good afternoon again, my friend, great to see you today.

:)

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:25:18 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> >> > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> >> > > >
> >> > > > bonjour, Will
> >
> >> Hello there, Jordy.
> > hola Mr Will
> Good afternoon again, my friend, great to see you today.
>
> :)
Shalom Will

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:42:52 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:25:18 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > >> > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > >
>
> > Good afternoon again, my friend, great to see you today.
> >
>
> Shalom Will

Hello there, Jordy.

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:16:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:42:52 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:25:18 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > >> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > >> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > >
> >
> > > Good afternoon again, my friend, great to see you today.
> > >
> >
> > Shalom Will
>
> Hello there, Jordy.
hola Will

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...

Again, well put.

Jordy C. wrote:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...

A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...

CC: Dr. David Dalton!

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>
> Again, well put.
thank you, Will

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:35:42 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> Jordy C. wrote:
> >
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
>
> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
thank you, Will

Jordy C wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C. wrote:
>> >
>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
>>
>> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
> thank you, Will

Good evening my friend.

🙂

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 8:35:12 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Jordy C. wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> >> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
> >>
> >> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
> > thank you, Will
> Good evening my friend.
>
> 🙂
Shalom Will

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:39:05 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 8:35:12 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Jordy C. wrote:
>
> > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > >> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
> > >>
> > >> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
> > > thank you, Will
> > Good evening my friend.
> >
>
> Shalom Will

Hello there my friend.

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:42:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:39:05 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 8:35:12 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> Jordy C. wrote:
> >
> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > > >> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
> > > >>
> > > >> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
> > > > thank you, Will
> > > Good evening my friend.
> > >
> >
> > Shalom Will
> Hello there my friend.
bonjour, Will

Jordy C wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C. wrote:
>
>> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>
>> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
>
>> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
>
> bonjour, Will

Good afternoon, Jordy, great to see you again today.

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 1:55:12 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Jordy C. wrote:
> >
> >> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical....
> >
> >> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
> >
> >> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
> >
> > bonjour, Will
>
> Good afternoon, Jordy, great to see you again today.
Shalom Will

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 4:38:04 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 1:55:12 PM, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C. wrote:
>
> > >> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > >
> > >> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
> > >
> > >> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
> > >
> > > bonjour, Will
> >
> > Good afternoon, Jordy, great to see you again today.
> Shalom Will

Hello there my friend.

🙂

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 1:36:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 4:38:04 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 1:55:12 PM, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Jordy C. wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > > >
> > > >> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
> > > >
> > > >> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
> > > >
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > >
> > > Good afternoon, Jordy, great to see you again today.
> > Shalom Will
> Hello there my friend.
>
> 🙂
hola Will

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 4:18:10 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 1:36:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarily autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > > > >
> > > > >> A good example of the excellent poetry discussion we have available here on the Usenet poetry groups...
> > > > >
> > > > >> CC: Dr. David Dalton!
> > > > >
> > > > > bonjour, Will
> >
>
> hola Will

Good evening Jordy, great to see you again tonight.

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...

Bears repeating....!

General-Zod wrote:

> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...

> Bears repeating....!

Thanks GZ

General-Zod wrote:

> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...

> Bears repeating....!

Agreed and seconder.

😏

> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe
that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical!
this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be
written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many
personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented
characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed
how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves,
when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were
bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of
invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be
autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may
indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least
similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or
poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means
strictly autobiographical...

Definitely, lest we forget.



This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=255283899#255283899

Jordy C wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C. wrote:
>
>> >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
>> >> > autobiographical.
>> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
>> >>
>> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>> >>
>> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> >>
>> >> HTH and HAND.
>> > thank you, Will
>>
>> Good morning, Jordy.
>>
>
> bonjour, Will

Hello again my friend.

😏

> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5,
jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe
that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical!
this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be
written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many
personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented
characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed
how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves,
when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were
bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of
invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be
autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may
indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least
similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or
poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means
strictly autobiographical...
> >
> >

Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.

However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on
personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly
autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be
aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely
based on personal experience" is therefore "largely
autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration
for this post.

"Michael Pendragon" is being dishonest: I did not say that
my poem ("My Father's House") was "largely based on
personal experience" or that it was a "poem that was
'largely based on personal experience'". Michael has simply, once
again, truncated a quotation to pretend I'd said something I didn't.

The poem is about a man returning to his childhood home, long after
his father has died; walking through the house; and in each room
remembering a different childhood experience, each of which memories
is progressively more brutal; and, finally, expressing a wish to burn
the house down. As I've explained, more than once, all that is
entirely fictional: those events never happened, and the man
experiencing them never existed.

So where did "Michael" get his (truncated) quotation from?
He googled and found it in a discussion thread on the poem, back in
2007. Vera (poet Lexi McHugh) had asked me: "If your story is
real, George, did this boy have siblings who were treated
differently?" -- to which I replied:

"The boy is a composite; largely based on my own experience, but
with
some details other men have told me about their childhoods."

But of course there is no boy in the poem. All that is in the poem is
the fictional narrator, the house, and his memories (the last two of
which are really the same).

This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=620539218#620539218

George J. Dance wrote:

> > > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5,
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe
> that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical!
> this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be
> written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many
> personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented
> characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed
> how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves,
> when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were
> bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of
> invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be
> autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may
> indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least
> similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or
> poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means
> strictly autobiographical...
> > >
> > >

> Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.

> However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on
> personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly
> autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be
> aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely
> based on personal experience" is therefore "largely
> autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration
> for this post.

> "Michael Pendragon" is being dishonest: I did not say that
> my poem ("My Father's House") was "largely based on
> personal experience" or that it was a "poem that was
> 'largely based on personal experience'". Michael has simply, once
> again, truncated a quotation to pretend I'd said something I didn't.

> The poem is about a man returning to his childhood home, long after
> his father has died; walking through the house; and in each room
> remembering a different childhood experience, each of which memories
> is progressively more brutal; and, finally, expressing a wish to burn
> the house down. As I've explained, more than once, all that is
> entirely fictional: those events never happened, and the man
> experiencing them never existed.

> So where did "Michael" get his (truncated) quotation from?
> He googled and found it in a discussion thread on the poem, back in
> 2007. Vera (poet Lexi McHugh) had asked me: "If your story is
> real, George, did this boy have siblings who were treated
> differently?" -- to which I replied:

> "The boy is a composite; largely based on my own experience, but
> with
> some details other men have told me about their childhoods."

> But of course there is no boy in the poem. All that is in the poem is
> the fictional narrator, the house, and his memories (the last two of
> which are really the same).

> This is a response to the post seen at:
> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=95080636#95080636

I see this one finally showed up on the rest of Usenet.

😃

Will Dockery wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:

>> > > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5,
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe
>> that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical!
>> this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be
>> written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many
>> personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented
>> characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed
>> how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves,
>> when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were
>> bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of
>> invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be
>> autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may
>> indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least
>> similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or
>> poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means
>> strictly autobiographical...
>> > >
>> > >

>> Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.

>> However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on
>> personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly
>> autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be
>> aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely
>> based on personal experience" is therefore "largely
>> autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration
>> for this post.

>> "Michael Pendragon" is being dishonest: I did not say that
>> my poem ("My Father's House") was "largely based on
>> personal experience" or that it was a "poem that was
>> 'largely based on personal experience'". Michael has simply, once
>> again, truncated a quotation to pretend I'd said something I didn't.

>> The poem is about a man returning to his childhood home, long after
>> his father has died; walking through the house; and in each room
>> remembering a different childhood experience, each of which memories
>> is progressively more brutal; and, finally, expressing a wish to burn
>> the house down. As I've explained, more than once, all that is
>> entirely fictional: those events never happened, and the man
>> experiencing them never existed.

>> So where did "Michael" get his (truncated) quotation from?
>> He googled and found it in a discussion thread on the poem, back in
>> 2007. Vera (poet Lexi McHugh) had asked me: "If your story is
>> real, George, did this boy have siblings who were treated
>> differently?" -- to which I replied:

>> "The boy is a composite; largely based on my own experience, but
>> with
>> some details other men have told me about their childhoods."

>> But of course there is no boy in the poem. All that is in the poem is
>> the fictional narrator, the house, and his memories (the last two of
>> which are really the same).

>> This is a response to the post seen at:
>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=240840364#240840364

> I see this one finally showed up on the rest of Usenet.

> 😃

Did it...?

Not sure...!