On 9/03/2022 9:25 am, Willie Williams wrote:
> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:02:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIoxG4MF3y4
>
> Thanks for posting all of these, Bruce. I was surprised to scroll endlessly through the comments and find not one negative one, pretty unusual for YouTube comments.
>
> I was pretty impressed at the enalysis of passages via some program like Reason or Logic Pro, I assume. I didn't realize that you could load an MP3 (again, my technical-Luddite assumption) into it and that it would break down all the instruments like that. Or did she get access to some digital master version of the album? Anyway, at the 11:10 mark where she does this for a passage of "Octopus's Garden" I was surprised at what cool contra-voicing was going on there.

The analysis was simplistic at best.

Not any fancy audio app being used, just a simple MIDI player, possibly
free or shareware. The level of gear she uses is also pretty low-end,
though adequate for purpose (not being a gear-snob here !).

They are simply MIDI file versions of the songs. Not derived from the
original audio at all - compiled track-by-track by all sorts of people
on a music keyboard, computer-keyboard/mouse, and/or other musical
controller device.

There are apps to reliably convert single melody lines into MIDI data,
and I'm sure the AI people are working on more sophisticated stuff to
achieve what you suggest. At the moment results are very 'hot-and-miss'.

geoff

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:37:25 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 9/03/2022 9:25 am, Willie Williams wrote:
> > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:02:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIoxG4MF3y4
> >
> > Thanks for posting all of these, Bruce. I was surprised to scroll endlessly through the comments and find not one negative one, pretty unusual for YouTube comments.
> >
> > I was pretty impressed at the enalysis of passages via some program like Reason or Logic Pro, I assume. I didn't realize that you could load an MP3 (again, my technical-Luddite assumption) into it and that it would break down all the instruments like that. Or did she get access to some digital master version of the album? Anyway, at the 11:10 mark where she does this for a passage of "Octopus's Garden" I was surprised at what cool contra-voicing was going on there.
> The analysis was simplistic at best.
>
> Not any fancy audio app being used, just a simple MIDI player, possibly
> free or shareware. The level of gear she uses is also pretty low-end,
> though adequate for purpose (not being a gear-snob here !).
>
> They are simply MIDI file versions of the songs. Not derived from the
> original audio at all - compiled track-by-track by all sorts of people
> on a music keyboard, computer-keyboard/mouse, and/or other musical
> controller device.
>
> There are apps to reliably convert single melody lines into MIDI data,
> and I'm sure the AI people are working on more sophisticated stuff to
> achieve what you suggest. At the moment results are very 'hot-and-miss'.
>
> geoff

I'd have expected her to at least say something about the epic guitar duel. Not a word.

On 10/03/2022 2:44 am, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:37:25 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 9/03/2022 9:25 am, Willie Williams wrote:
>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:02:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIoxG4MF3y4
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting all of these, Bruce. I was surprised to scroll endlessly through the comments and find not one negative one, pretty unusual for YouTube comments.
>>>
>>> I was pretty impressed at the enalysis of passages via some program like Reason or Logic Pro, I assume. I didn't realize that you could load an MP3 (again, my technical-Luddite assumption) into it and that it would break down all the instruments like that. Or did she get access to some digital master version of the album? Anyway, at the 11:10 mark where she does this for a passage of "Octopus's Garden" I was surprised at what cool contra-voicing was going on there.
>> The analysis was simplistic at best.
>>
>> Not any fancy audio app being used, just a simple MIDI player, possibly
>> free or shareware. The level of gear she uses is also pretty low-end,
>> though adequate for purpose (not being a gear-snob here !).
>>
>> They are simply MIDI file versions of the songs. Not derived from the
>> original audio at all - compiled track-by-track by all sorts of people
>> on a music keyboard, computer-keyboard/mouse, and/or other musical
>> controller device.
>>
>> There are apps to reliably convert single melody lines into MIDI data,
>> and I'm sure the AI people are working on more sophisticated stuff to
>> achieve what you suggest. At the moment results are very 'hot-and-miss'.
>>
>> geoff
>
> I'd have expected her to at least say something about the epic guitar duel. Not a word.
>
>

Well, she did move her head slightly in relation to the stereo panning,
but surprisingly for a musician didn't appear to realise it was any more
than one part being played. Let alone more than one player in one of the
most epic 3-way guitar duels in rock history !

geoff

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:44:18 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:25:13 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > On 10/03/2022 2:44 am, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:37:25 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > >> On 9/03/2022 9:25 am, Willie Williams wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:02:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIoxG4MF3y4
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for posting all of these, Bruce. I was surprised to scroll endlessly through the comments and find not one negative one, pretty unusual for YouTube comments.
> > >>>
> > >>> I was pretty impressed at the enalysis of passages via some program like Reason or Logic Pro, I assume. I didn't realize that you could load an MP3 (again, my technical-Luddite assumption) into it and that it would break down all the instruments like that. Or did she get access to some digital master version of the album? Anyway, at the 11:10 mark where she does this for a passage of "Octopus's Garden" I was surprised at what cool contra-voicing was going on there.
> > >> The analysis was simplistic at best.
> > >>
> > >> Not any fancy audio app being used, just a simple MIDI player, possibly
> > >> free or shareware. The level of gear she uses is also pretty low-end,
> > >> though adequate for purpose (not being a gear-snob here !).
> > >>
> > >> They are simply MIDI file versions of the songs. Not derived from the
> > >> original audio at all - compiled track-by-track by all sorts of people
> > >> on a music keyboard, computer-keyboard/mouse, and/or other musical
> > >> controller device.
> > >>
> > >> There are apps to reliably convert single melody lines into MIDI data,
> > >> and I'm sure the AI people are working on more sophisticated stuff to
> > >> achieve what you suggest. At the moment results are very 'hot-and-miss'.
> > >>
> > >> geoff
> > >
> > > I'd have expected her to at least say something about the epic guitar duel. Not a word.
> > >
> > >
> > Well, she did move her head slightly in relation to the stereo panning,
> > but surprisingly for a musician didn't appear to realise it was any more
> > than one part being played. Let alone more than one player in one of the
> > most epic 3-way guitar duels in rock history !
> >
> > geoff
> Whatever this supposed guitar duel is, I'm not aware of it either. And none of the Beatles is considered some kind of special guitar player. They're known more for other things, like songwriting, vocal harmonies, inventive arrangements, studio tricks, etc...

And what instrument do you suppose the bulk of their songs are written on?

I wouldn't call any of them a virtuoso lead guitarist. More importantly, George and Paul could come up with distinctive, tasteful and memorable lead lines.

On 10/03/2022 10:44 am, Bruce wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:25:13 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 10/03/2022 2:44 am, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:37:25 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 9/03/2022 9:25 am, Willie Williams wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:02:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIoxG4MF3y4
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for posting all of these, Bruce. I was surprised to scroll endlessly through the comments and find not one negative one, pretty unusual for YouTube comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was pretty impressed at the enalysis of passages via some program like Reason or Logic Pro, I assume. I didn't realize that you could load an MP3 (again, my technical-Luddite assumption) into it and that it would break down all the instruments like that. Or did she get access to some digital master version of the album? Anyway, at the 11:10 mark where she does this for a passage of "Octopus's Garden" I was surprised at what cool contra-voicing was going on there.
>>>> The analysis was simplistic at best.
>>>>
>>>> Not any fancy audio app being used, just a simple MIDI player, possibly
>>>> free or shareware. The level of gear she uses is also pretty low-end,
>>>> though adequate for purpose (not being a gear-snob here !).
>>>>
>>>> They are simply MIDI file versions of the songs. Not derived from the
>>>> original audio at all - compiled track-by-track by all sorts of people
>>>> on a music keyboard, computer-keyboard/mouse, and/or other musical
>>>> controller device.
>>>>
>>>> There are apps to reliably convert single melody lines into MIDI data,
>>>> and I'm sure the AI people are working on more sophisticated stuff to
>>>> achieve what you suggest. At the moment results are very 'hot-and-miss'.
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> I'd have expected her to at least say something about the epic guitar duel. Not a word.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, she did move her head slightly in relation to the stereo panning,
>> but surprisingly for a musician didn't appear to realise it was any more
>> than one part being played. Let alone more than one player in one of the
>> most epic 3-way guitar duels in rock history !
>>
>> geoff
>
> Whatever this supposed guitar duel is, I'm not aware of it either. And none of the Beatles is considered some kind of special guitar player. They're known more for other things, like songwriting, vocal harmonies, inventive arrangements, studio tricks, etc...

You what ?!!!! Surely you are jesting ?

00:53 to 01:30 on The End.

Paul starts on left, then George in the middle, and John on the right,
and so on.

Only one of the most memorable Beatles moments ever. And right up there
in all of modern music.

geoff

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:12:42 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 10/03/2022 10:44 am, Bruce wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:25:13 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >> On 10/03/2022 2:44 am, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:37:25 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >>>> On 9/03/2022 9:25 am, Willie Williams wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:02:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIoxG4MF3y4
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for posting all of these, Bruce. I was surprised to scroll endlessly through the comments and find not one negative one, pretty unusual for YouTube comments.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was pretty impressed at the enalysis of passages via some program like Reason or Logic Pro, I assume. I didn't realize that you could load an MP3 (again, my technical-Luddite assumption) into it and that it would break down all the instruments like that. Or did she get access to some digital master version of the album? Anyway, at the 11:10 mark where she does this for a passage of "Octopus's Garden" I was surprised at what cool contra-voicing was going on there.
> >>>> The analysis was simplistic at best.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not any fancy audio app being used, just a simple MIDI player, possibly
> >>>> free or shareware. The level of gear she uses is also pretty low-end,
> >>>> though adequate for purpose (not being a gear-snob here !).
> >>>>
> >>>> They are simply MIDI file versions of the songs. Not derived from the
> >>>> original audio at all - compiled track-by-track by all sorts of people
> >>>> on a music keyboard, computer-keyboard/mouse, and/or other musical
> >>>> controller device.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are apps to reliably convert single melody lines into MIDI data,
> >>>> and I'm sure the AI people are working on more sophisticated stuff to
> >>>> achieve what you suggest. At the moment results are very 'hot-and-miss'.
> >>>>
> >>>> geoff
> >>>
> >>> I'd have expected her to at least say something about the epic guitar duel. Not a word.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Well, she did move her head slightly in relation to the stereo panning,
> >> but surprisingly for a musician didn't appear to realise it was any more
> >> than one part being played. Let alone more than one player in one of the
> >> most epic 3-way guitar duels in rock history !
> >>
> >> geoff
> >
> > Whatever this supposed guitar duel is, I'm not aware of it either. And none of the Beatles is considered some kind of special guitar player. They're known more for other things, like songwriting, vocal harmonies, inventive arrangements, studio tricks, etc...
> You what ?!!!! Surely you are jesting ?
>
> 00:53 to 01:30 on The End.
>
> Paul starts on left, then George in the middle, and John on the right,
> and so on.
>
> Only one of the most memorable Beatles moments ever. And right up there
> in all of modern music.

Yeah right. I just listened to it. It's not even very good. Just an average guitar break for the time.

"All of modern music" my fucking ass.

Here's the description of it on Wikipedia. Doesn't sound like any all time great moment to me.

McCartney, George Harrison and Lennon perform a rotating sequence of three, two-bar guitar solos. The idea for a guitar instrumental over this section was Harrison's, and Lennon suggested that the three of them each play a section. The solos begin approximately 53 seconds into the song. Geoff Emerick, the Beatles' recording engineer, later recalled: "John, Paul and George looked like they had gone back in time, like they were kids again, playing together for the sheer enjoyment of it. More than anything, they reminded me of gunslingers, with their guitars strapped on, looks of steely-eyed resolve, determined to outdo one another. Yet there was no animosity, no tension at all – you could tell they were simply having fun."

On 10/03/2022 2:25 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:12:42 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 10/03/2022 10:44 am, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:25:13 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 10/03/2022 2:44 am, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:37:25 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/03/2022 9:25 am, Willie Williams wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:02:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIoxG4MF3y4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for posting all of these, Bruce. I was surprised to scroll endlessly through the comments and find not one negative one, pretty unusual for YouTube comments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was pretty impressed at the enalysis of passages via some program like Reason or Logic Pro, I assume. I didn't realize that you could load an MP3 (again, my technical-Luddite assumption) into it and that it would break down all the instruments like that. Or did she get access to some digital master version of the album? Anyway, at the 11:10 mark where she does this for a passage of "Octopus's Garden" I was surprised at what cool contra-voicing was going on there.
>>>>>> The analysis was simplistic at best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not any fancy audio app being used, just a simple MIDI player, possibly
>>>>>> free or shareware. The level of gear she uses is also pretty low-end,
>>>>>> though adequate for purpose (not being a gear-snob here !).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are simply MIDI file versions of the songs. Not derived from the
>>>>>> original audio at all - compiled track-by-track by all sorts of people
>>>>>> on a music keyboard, computer-keyboard/mouse, and/or other musical
>>>>>> controller device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are apps to reliably convert single melody lines into MIDI data,
>>>>>> and I'm sure the AI people are working on more sophisticated stuff to
>>>>>> achieve what you suggest. At the moment results are very 'hot-and-miss'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd have expected her to at least say something about the epic guitar duel. Not a word.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well, she did move her head slightly in relation to the stereo panning,
>>>> but surprisingly for a musician didn't appear to realise it was any more
>>>> than one part being played. Let alone more than one player in one of the
>>>> most epic 3-way guitar duels in rock history !
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> Whatever this supposed guitar duel is, I'm not aware of it either. And none of the Beatles is considered some kind of special guitar player. They're known more for other things, like songwriting, vocal harmonies, inventive arrangements, studio tricks, etc...
>> You what ?!!!! Surely you are jesting ?
>>
>> 00:53 to 01:30 on The End.
>>
>> Paul starts on left, then George in the middle, and John on the right,
>> and so on.
>>
>> Only one of the most memorable Beatles moments ever. And right up there
>> in all of modern music.
>
> Yeah right. I just listened to it. It's not even very good. Just an average guitar break for the time.
>
> "All of modern music" my fucking ass.
>
> Here's the description of it on Wikipedia. Doesn't sound like any all time great moment to me.
>
> McCartney, George Harrison and Lennon perform a rotating sequence of three, two-bar guitar solos. The idea for a guitar instrumental over this section was Harrison's, and Lennon suggested that the three of them each play a section. The solos begin approximately 53 seconds into the song. Geoff Emerick, the Beatles' recording engineer, later recalled: "John, Paul and George looked like they had gone back in time, like they were kids again, playing together for the sheer enjoyment of it. More than anything, they reminded me of gunslingers, with their guitars strapped on, looks of steely-eyed resolve, determined to outdo one another. Yet there was no animosity, no tension at all – you could tell they were simply having fun."
>
>
>

As you like. Others, who have a clue, may differ.

geoff

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:01:36 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >
> As you like. Others, who have a clue, may differ.

Eat dick, dork. I have WAY more of a clue than you when it comes to the historical facts about popular music.

Here are some different lists of the greatest moments in popular music history. I don't see your stupid "three way guitar duel" anywhere.

https://watchmojo.com/video/id/35997

https://www.history101.com/15-iconic-moments-in-music-history/

https://stacker.com/stories/4280/100-iconic-moments-music-history

On 10/03/2022 3:49 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:01:36 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>
>> As you like. Others, who have a clue, may differ.
>
> Eat dick, dork. I have WAY more of a clue than you when it comes to the historical facts about popular music.
>
> Here are some different lists of the greatest moments in popular music history. I don't see your stupid "three way guitar duel" anywhere.
>
> https://watchmojo.com/video/id/35997
>
> https://www.history101.com/15-iconic-moments-in-music-history/
>
> https://stacker.com/stories/4280/100-iconic-moments-music-history

You may know selected popular historical shallow 'facts', but apparently
not actual musical appreciation.

Many (most ?) who have anything more than a face-value appreciation of
especially the later Beatles music would get more out of The End (esp
the solo/s) than you, apparently.

And even more poignant by being at the very culmination of The Beatles'
output .

geoff

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:18:01 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 10/03/2022 3:49 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:01:36 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >>>
> >> As you like. Others, who have a clue, may differ.
> >
> > Eat dick, dork. I have WAY more of a clue than you when it comes to the historical facts about popular music.
> >
> > Here are some different lists of the greatest moments in popular music history. I don't see your stupid "three way guitar duel" anywhere.
> >
> > https://watchmojo.com/video/id/35997
> >
> > https://www.history101.com/15-iconic-moments-in-music-history/
> >
> > https://stacker.com/stories/4280/100-iconic-moments-music-history
> You may know selected popular historical shallow 'facts', but apparently
> not actual musical appreciation.
>
> Many (most ?) who have anything more than a face-value appreciation of
> especially the later Beatles music would get more out of The End (esp
> the solo/s) than you, apparently.
>
> And even more poignant by being at the very culmination of The Beatles'
> output .

You've got your head up your ass. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of better moments for music appreciation that this stupid mediocre 3 guitar battle.

The 3 different solos in this are far more famous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bt1qBVQTNM

The trombone solo in this is infinitely more famous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtTSzSIgzAo

The sax break in this is WAY more famous and interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4IGVn4W9oo

Satch's solo in this is WAY more famous and significant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WPCBieSESI

Stop sucking the Beatles dicks already!

On 10/03/2022 5:27 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:18:01 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 10/03/2022 3:49 pm, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:01:36 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> As you like. Others, who have a clue, may differ.
>>>
>>> Eat dick, dork. I have WAY more of a clue than you when it comes to the historical facts about popular music.
>>>
>>> Here are some different lists of the greatest moments in popular music history. I don't see your stupid "three way guitar duel" anywhere.
>>>
>>> https://watchmojo.com/video/id/35997
>>>
>>> https://www.history101.com/15-iconic-moments-in-music-history/
>>>
>>> https://stacker.com/stories/4280/100-iconic-moments-music-history
>> You may know selected popular historical shallow 'facts', but apparently
>> not actual musical appreciation.
>>
>> Many (most ?) who have anything more than a face-value appreciation of
>> especially the later Beatles music would get more out of The End (esp
>> the solo/s) than you, apparently.
>>
>> And even more poignant by being at the very culmination of The Beatles'
>> output .
>
> You've got your head up your ass. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of better moments for music appreciation that this stupid mediocre 3 guitar battle.
>
> The 3 different solos in this are far more famous:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bt1qBVQTNM
>
> The trombone solo in this is infinitely more famous:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtTSzSIgzAo
>
> The sax break in this is WAY more famous and interesting:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4IGVn4W9oo
>
> Satch's solo in this is WAY more famous and significant.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WPCBieSESI
>
> Stop sucking the Beatles dicks already!
>
>
>

Learn basic grammar and physics. I can't "Stop sucking the Beatles dicks
already!", because if I had done it already, there would be no point in
asking me to do it. It's a time-space-continuum thing.

OK, so you prefer a different style of music and don't even appear to
like guitar or The Beatles. So why are you even here ?

geoff

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:39:13 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>
> OK, so you prefer a different style of music and don't even appear to
> like guitar or The Beatles. So why are you even here ?

The Beatles are my second favorite artist of all time. Doesn't mean I am not well versed in all kinds of Popular Music, unlike you, who thinks that music started and ended with the Mop Tops.

There are lots of guitar players among my 100 favorite artists of all time.

1 - Fats Domino
2 - Beatles - GUITAR
3 - Elvis Presley - GUITAR
4 - Little Richard
5 - Hank Williams - GUITAR
6 - Joe Turner
7 - Drifters
8 - Muddy Waters - GUITAR
9 - Smiley Lewis - GUITAR
10 - Clovers - GUITAR
11 - Carl Perkins - GUITAR
12 - Buddy Holly & Crickets - GUITAR
13 - B.B. King - GUITAR
14 - Bo Diddley - GUITAR
15 - Hank Ballard & Midnighters / Royals
16 - Chuck Berry - GUITAR
17 - James Brown
18 - Howlin' Wolf - GUITAR
19 - Wynonie Harris
20 - Robins
21 - Orioles - GUITAR
22 - Five Royales - GUITAR
23 - Creedence Clearwater Revival / John Fogerty - GUITAR
24 - Five Keys
25 - Ray Charles
26 - Rolling Stones - GUITAR
27 - Beach Boys - GUITAR
28 - Jerry Lee Lewis
29 - Spaniels
30 - Temptations
31 - Elmore James - GUITAR
32 - Bobby "Blue" Bland
33 - Sonny Boy Williamson II (Rice Miller)
34 - Sticks McGhee - GUITAR
35 - Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns
36 - Dominoes
37 - Johnny Burnette Trio - GUITAR
38 - Louis Jordan
39 - Spiders
40 - Flamingos
41 - Moonglows
42 - Coasters
43 - Curtis Mayfield & Impressions - GUITAR
44 - Eddie Cochran - GUITAR
45 - Lloyd Price
46 - Bill Haley & Comets - GUITAR
47 - Buddy & Ella Johnson
48 - Ivory Joe Hunter
49 - Swallows
50 - Little Walter
51 - Jimmy Reed - GUITAR
52 - Everly Brothers - GUITAR
53 - Gene Vincent & Blue Caps - GUITAR
54 - Johnny Cash - GUITAR
55 - Amos Milburn
56 - Roy Brown
57 - Jack Scott - GUITAR
58 - El Dorados
59 - Dave Bartholomew
60 - Champion Jack Dupree
61 - Roy Orbison - GUITAR
62 - Smokey Robinson & Miracles
63 - Checkers
64 - Jimmy McCracklin
65 - Little Esther
66 - Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson
67 - Marvin Gaye
68 - Tommy James & Shondells - GUITAR
69 - Jackie Wilson
70 - Mills Brothers - GUITAR
71 - Ruth Brown
72 - Bob Dylan - GUITAR
73 - Shirley & Lee
74 - Aretha Franklin
75 - Dells
76 - Wilson Pickett
77 - Little Milton - GUITAR
78 - Marvin & Johnny (Jesse & Marvin)
79 - Heartbeats / Shep & Limelites
80 - Harptones
81 - Doors - GUITAR
82 - Little Willie John
83 - Ravens
84 - Marty Robbins - GUITAR
85 - Lamplighters
86 - Willie Mabon
87 - Guitar Slim - GUITAR
88 - Solomon Burke
89 - Jerry Butler
90 - Roy Milton
91 - Rosco Gordon
92 - Charlie Feathers - GUITAR
93 - Penguins
94 - J.B. Lenore - GUITAR
95 - Big Maybelle
96 - Cadillacs
97 - Chuck Willis
98 - Mac Curtis - GUITAR
99 - Cardinals
100 - Slim Harpo - GUITAR

On 10/03/2022 6:40 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:39:13 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>
>> OK, so you prefer a different style of music and don't even appear to
>> like guitar or The Beatles. So why are you even here ?
>
> The Beatles are my second favorite artist of all time. Doesn't mean I am not well versed in all kinds of Popular Music, unlike you, who thinks that music started and ended with the Mop Tops.

Totally false. A little pre-Beatles, and lots post-Beatles because I
didn't listen to a lot of contemporary music in (and before) my childhood.

> There are lots of guitar players among my 100 favorite artists of all time.

You do rather restrict yourself to a very specific era. I don't. And
your Beatles ignorance is astounding.

I'm not so OCD as to make a list like that.

>
> 1 - Fats Domino
> 2 - Beatles - GUITAR
> 3 - Elvis Presley - GUITAR
> 4 - Little Richard
> 5 - Hank Williams - GUITAR
> 6 - Joe Turner
> 7 - Drifters
> 8 - Muddy Waters - GUITAR
> 9 - Smiley Lewis - GUITAR
> 10 - Clovers - GUITAR
> 11 - Carl Perkins - GUITAR
> 12 - Buddy Holly & Crickets - GUITAR
> 13 - B.B. King - GUITAR
> 14 - Bo Diddley - GUITAR
> 15 - Hank Ballard & Midnighters / Royals
> 16 - Chuck Berry - GUITAR
> 17 - James Brown
> 18 - Howlin' Wolf - GUITAR
> 19 - Wynonie Harris
> 20 - Robins
> 21 - Orioles - GUITAR
> 22 - Five Royales - GUITAR
> 23 - Creedence Clearwater Revival / John Fogerty - GUITAR
> 24 - Five Keys
> 25 - Ray Charles
> 26 - Rolling Stones - GUITAR
> 27 - Beach Boys - GUITAR
> 28 - Jerry Lee Lewis
> 29 - Spaniels
> 30 - Temptations
> 31 - Elmore James - GUITAR
> 32 - Bobby "Blue" Bland
> 33 - Sonny Boy Williamson II (Rice Miller)
> 34 - Sticks McGhee - GUITAR
> 35 - Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns
> 36 - Dominoes
> 37 - Johnny Burnette Trio - GUITAR
> 38 - Louis Jordan
> 39 - Spiders
> 40 - Flamingos
> 41 - Moonglows
> 42 - Coasters
> 43 - Curtis Mayfield & Impressions - GUITAR
> 44 - Eddie Cochran - GUITAR
> 45 - Lloyd Price
> 46 - Bill Haley & Comets - GUITAR
> 47 - Buddy & Ella Johnson
> 48 - Ivory Joe Hunter
> 49 - Swallows
> 50 - Little Walter
> 51 - Jimmy Reed - GUITAR
> 52 - Everly Brothers - GUITAR
> 53 - Gene Vincent & Blue Caps - GUITAR
> 54 - Johnny Cash - GUITAR
> 55 - Amos Milburn
> 56 - Roy Brown
> 57 - Jack Scott - GUITAR
> 58 - El Dorados
> 59 - Dave Bartholomew
> 60 - Champion Jack Dupree
> 61 - Roy Orbison - GUITAR
> 62 - Smokey Robinson & Miracles
> 63 - Checkers
> 64 - Jimmy McCracklin
> 65 - Little Esther
> 66 - Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson
> 67 - Marvin Gaye
> 68 - Tommy James & Shondells - GUITAR
> 69 - Jackie Wilson
> 70 - Mills Brothers - GUITAR
> 71 - Ruth Brown
> 72 - Bob Dylan - GUITAR
> 73 - Shirley & Lee
> 74 - Aretha Franklin
> 75 - Dells
> 76 - Wilson Pickett
> 77 - Little Milton - GUITAR
> 78 - Marvin & Johnny (Jesse & Marvin)
> 79 - Heartbeats / Shep & Limelites
> 80 - Harptones
> 81 - Doors - GUITAR
> 82 - Little Willie John
> 83 - Ravens
> 84 - Marty Robbins - GUITAR
> 85 - Lamplighters
> 86 - Willie Mabon
> 87 - Guitar Slim - GUITAR
> 88 - Solomon Burke
> 89 - Jerry Butler
> 90 - Roy Milton
> 91 - Rosco Gordon
> 92 - Charlie Feathers - GUITAR
> 93 - Penguins
> 94 - J.B. Lenore - GUITAR
> 95 - Big Maybelle
> 96 - Cadillacs
> 97 - Chuck Willis
> 98 - Mac Curtis - GUITAR
> 99 - Cardinals
> 100 - Slim Harpo - GUITAR
>

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 8:25:51 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:12:42 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > On 10/03/2022 10:44 am, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:25:13 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > >> On 10/03/2022 2:44 am, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:37:25 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > >>>> On 9/03/2022 9:25 am, Willie Williams wrote:
> > >>>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:02:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIoxG4MF3y4
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks for posting all of these, Bruce. I was surprised to scroll endlessly through the comments and find not one negative one, pretty unusual for YouTube comments.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I was pretty impressed at the enalysis of passages via some program like Reason or Logic Pro, I assume. I didn't realize that you could load an MP3 (again, my technical-Luddite assumption) into it and that it would break down all the instruments like that. Or did she get access to some digital master version of the album? Anyway, at the 11:10 mark where she does this for a passage of "Octopus's Garden" I was surprised at what cool contra-voicing was going on there.
> > >>>> The analysis was simplistic at best.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not any fancy audio app being used, just a simple MIDI player, possibly
> > >>>> free or shareware. The level of gear she uses is also pretty low-end,
> > >>>> though adequate for purpose (not being a gear-snob here !).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> They are simply MIDI file versions of the songs. Not derived from the
> > >>>> original audio at all - compiled track-by-track by all sorts of people
> > >>>> on a music keyboard, computer-keyboard/mouse, and/or other musical
> > >>>> controller device.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There are apps to reliably convert single melody lines into MIDI data,
> > >>>> and I'm sure the AI people are working on more sophisticated stuff to
> > >>>> achieve what you suggest. At the moment results are very 'hot-and-miss'.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> geoff
> > >>>
> > >>> I'd have expected her to at least say something about the epic guitar duel. Not a word.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Well, she did move her head slightly in relation to the stereo panning,
> > >> but surprisingly for a musician didn't appear to realise it was any more
> > >> than one part being played. Let alone more than one player in one of the
> > >> most epic 3-way guitar duels in rock history !
> > >>
> > >> geoff
> > >
> > > Whatever this supposed guitar duel is, I'm not aware of it either. And none of the Beatles is considered some kind of special guitar player. They're known more for other things, like songwriting, vocal harmonies, inventive arrangements, studio tricks, etc...
> > You what ?!!!! Surely you are jesting ?
> >
> > 00:53 to 01:30 on The End.
> >
> > Paul starts on left, then George in the middle, and John on the right,
> > and so on.
> >
> > Only one of the most memorable Beatles moments ever. And right up there
> > in all of modern music.
> Yeah right. I just listened to it. It's not even very good. Just an average guitar break for the time.
>
> "All of modern music" my fucking ass.
>
> Here's the description of it on Wikipedia. Doesn't sound like any all time great moment to me.
>
> McCartney, George Harrison and Lennon perform a rotating sequence of three, two-bar guitar solos. The idea for a guitar instrumental over this section was Harrison's, and Lennon suggested that the three of them each play a section. The solos begin approximately 53 seconds into the song. Geoff Emerick, the Beatles' recording engineer, later recalled: "John, Paul and George looked like they had gone back in time, like they were kids again, playing together for the sheer enjoyment of it. More than anything, they reminded me of gunslingers, with their guitars strapped on, looks of steely-eyed resolve, determined to outdo one another. Yet there was no animosity, no tension at all – you could tell they were simply having fun."

In the context of the band's history (and of Geoff Emerick's book) this recording is obviously a significant even. When you consider that this was the band's last album, and when you consider all of the problems the band had had (the inter-group squabbles, John's drug use, Yoko [who had been asked to leave the room for this piece], etc.), they got it together for this joyous bout of guitar-slinging.

It is obvious that Emerick knew he was witnessing something momentous and it is obvious to every Beatles fan I've ever known that this is an important moment in the band's history.

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 2:06:20 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:

> Totally false. A little pre-Beatles, and lots post-Beatles because I
> didn't listen to a lot of contemporary music in (and before) my childhood.

I wasn't born until 1957, but unlike you, I don't just like what I heard growing up. I seriously explored everything that came before I was around. You seem to think that music only started mattering after you cared about it.

> You do rather restrict yourself to a very specific era. I don't.

Sure you do. You barely even know any music before the 1960s.

> And your Beatles ignorance is astounding.

Your pre-Beatles musical ignorance is unbelievably huge. I'll bet you can't even name one song by giants like Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, Paul Whiteman and Lightning Hopkins.

Go jerk off while you pretend one of the Mop Tops is sucking your tiny pecker.

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 6:10:38 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
>
> It is obvious that Emerick knew he was witnessing something momentous and it is obvious to every Beatles fan I've ever known that this is an important moment in the band's history.

Like you've discussed this shit with EVERY Beatles fan you've EVER known. Either you're a fucking liar, or you only know a couple of Beatles fans.

Most Beatles fans are unaware that the solo is even played by 3 different people.

I wonder if this thing even made this book?

The Beatles 100: One Hundred Pivotal Moments in Beatles History

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41j607RZRCS._SX326_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:15:15 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 6:10:38 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> >
> > It is obvious that Emerick knew he was witnessing something momentous and it is obvious to every Beatles fan I've ever known that this is an important moment in the band's history.
> Like you've discussed this shit with EVERY Beatles fan you've EVER known. Either you're a fucking liar, or you only know a couple of Beatles fans.
>
> Most Beatles fans are unaware that the solo is even played by 3 different people.
>
> I wonder if this thing even made this book?
>
> The Beatles 100: One Hundred Pivotal Moments in Beatles History
>
> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41j607RZRCS._SX326_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Each soloist has a completely different sound and style. The "battle" is widely analyzed (as on the Mike Pachelli video -- and numerous others) and debated, but everyone knows it's Paul, George and John. In saying that "Most Beatles fans are unaware that the solo is even played by 3 different people," you're trying to project your own astounding lack of discernment onto most fans. But nobody makes sound generalizations from a defective sample

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 12:17:54 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

> Each soloist has a completely different sound and style. The "battle" is widely analyzed (as on the Mike Pachelli video -- and numerous others) and debated, but everyone knows it's Paul, George and John. In saying that "Most Beatles fans are unaware that the solo is even played by 3 different people," you're trying to project your own astounding lack of discernment onto most fans.

MOST fans are not at all interested in those kind of details. They just like hearing the music. The Abbey Road Medley is my girlfriend's favorite Beatles recording, and she has no idea what this three guitar battle is.

On 11/03/2022 4:11 am, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 2:06:20 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>
>> Totally false. A little pre-Beatles, and lots post-Beatles because I
>> didn't listen to a lot of contemporary music in (and before) my childhood.
>
> I wasn't born until 1957, but unlike you, I don't just like what I heard growing up. I seriously explored everything that came before I was around. You seem to think that music only started mattering after you cared about it.
>
>> You do rather restrict yourself to a very specific era. I don't.
>
> Sure you do. You barely even know any music before the 1960s.
>
>> And your Beatles ignorance is astounding.
>
> Your pre-Beatles musical ignorance is unbelievably huge. I'll bet you can't even name one song by giants like Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, Paul Whiteman and Lightning Hopkins.

Ellington and Parker of course. How about Shostakovich, Bach, Mussorgsky
? Have seen Dave Brubeck and Acker Bilk live. But I'm not into
name-dropping to bolster my own credibility.

>
> Go jerk off while you pretend one of the Mop Tops is sucking your tiny pecker.
>

Yep, that makes your argument far more convincing.

geoff

On 11/03/2022 6:29 am, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 12:17:54 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
>
>> Each soloist has a completely different sound and style. The "battle" is widely analyzed (as on the Mike Pachelli video -- and numerous others) and debated, but everyone knows it's Paul, George and John. In saying that "Most Beatles fans are unaware that the solo is even played by 3 different people," you're trying to project your own astounding lack of discernment onto most fans.
>
> MOST fans are not at all interested in those kind of details. They just like hearing the music. The Abbey Road Medley is my girlfriend's favorite Beatles recording, and she has no idea what this three guitar battle is.

I bet she loves that part, even though she is ignorant of the technical
and historical musical aspects. That's not a criticism of her.

And if made aware of it she would gain even more joy from hearing it in
that context.

geoff

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 3:48:00 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:

How about Shostakovich, Bach, Mussorgsky? Have seen Dave Brubeck and Acker Bilk live.

All white guys, okay, we know where you're at.

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 3:57:13 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:

> I bet she loves that part, even though she is ignorant of the technical
> and historical musical aspects. That's not a criticism of her.
>
> And if made aware of it she would gain even more joy from hearing it in
> that context.

You'd lose that bet. She was not even aware of there being a guitar solo in that song, and she also said she has no interest in who plays what part or any of that side info.

On 11/03/2022 9:58 am, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 3:48:00 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>
> How about Shostakovich, Bach, Mussorgsky? Have seen Dave Brubeck and Acker Bilk live.
>
> All white guys, okay, we know where you're at.

Sorry, forgot have seen George Benson - sorry. Better now ?

'We'? You are so sad.

So how about, if you want race/era/name-droppingto be a factor, Joan
Armatrading, Tracy Chapman, Nora Jones, Grace Jones. That would account
for over 30 CDs I own.

Ooops , you probably have a problem with gender too. Now about Grover
Washington, Herbie Hancock, Victor Wooten, Carlos Santana, Oscar
Peterson, etc,etc,etc.

geoff

On 11/03/2022 11:20 am, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 3:57:13 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>
>> I bet she loves that part, even though she is ignorant of the technical
>> and historical musical aspects. That's not a criticism of her.
>>
>> And if made aware of it she would gain even more joy from hearing it in
>> that context.
>
> You'd lose that bet. She was not even aware of there being a guitar solo in that song, and she a

Sad for her (too) then.

geoff

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:50:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>
> So how about, if you want race/era/name-droppingto be a factor, Joan
> Armatrading, Tracy Chapman, Nora Jones, Grace Jones. That would account
> for over 30 CDs I own.

All genetically black acts that do music that is mainly done by whites. That's why they are acceptable to you.

How about some REAL black music, like James Brown, Joe Simon, Little Milton, Parliament, Funkadelic, Bobby Bland, the Delfonics, Aretha Franklin, Irma Thomas, Luther Vandross, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Isley Brothers, Kool & the Gang, Tyrone Davis, Manhattans, Johnny Taylor, Little Johnnie Taylor, Bobby Womack, Chi-Lites, Barry White, Al Green, Gene Chandler, Dramatics, Rick James, Millie Jackson, Betty Wright.

That's 26 artists. How many CD do you own by these 26 acts?