On 11/03/2022 1:10 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:50:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>
>> So how about, if you want race/era/name-droppingto be a factor, Joan
>> Armatrading, Tracy Chapman, Nora Jones, Grace Jones. That would account
>> for over 30 CDs I own.
>
> All genetically black acts that do music that is mainly done by whites. That's why they are acceptable to you.

Que ?

>
> How about some REAL black music, like James Brown, Joe Simon, Little Milton, Parliament, Funkadelic, Bobby Bland, the Delfonics, Aretha Franklin, Irma Thomas, Luther Vandross, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Isley Brothers, Kool & the Gang, Tyrone Davis, Manhattans, Johnny Taylor, Little Johnnie Taylor, Bobby Womack, Chi-Lites, Barry White, Al Green, Gene Chandler, Dramatics, Rick James, Millie Jackson, Betty Wright.
>
> That's 26 artists. How many CD do you own by these 26 acts?
>

7 or 8 : JB, Parliament, and Funkadelic, Green, Aretha. But should I
have to purchase CD these other acts, even if they appeal to me ? Some
of those Ido, some don't, and some I am not familiar with. Glad they
give you a stiffy, such as it is.

But I don't feel guilty that I prefer my 'list', and the likes of Floyd
(Pink, not Anderson), Supertramp, Simply Red, APP, Focus, Genesis, Tull,
Dire Straits, Stones, etc. All to do with style(s) of music, not the
racial origins of the members.

Again, apologies if you disapprove of the breadth of my taste, which
does lean towards 'prog rock', though includes classical, jazz, be-bop,
folk, and at a stretch some country. I like to think that I can
appreciate most forms. Not so keen on gangster rap or hip-hop, with
exceptions - I'm sure you'll have an opinion on that ....

geoff

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:25:18 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>
> But I don't feel guilty that I prefer my 'list', and the likes of Floyd
> (Pink, not Anderson), Supertramp, Simply Red, APP, Focus, Genesis, Tull,
> Dire Straits, Stones, etc. All to do with style(s) of music, not the
> racial origins of the members.

Of course. You prefer all the white styles best.

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:25:18 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 11/03/2022 1:10 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:50:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >>
> >> So how about, if you want race/era/name-droppingto be a factor, Joan
> >> Armatrading, Tracy Chapman, Nora Jones, Grace Jones. That would account
> >> for over 30 CDs I own.
> >
> > All genetically black acts that do music that is mainly done by whites. That's why they are acceptable to you.
> Que ?
> >
> > How about some REAL black music, like James Brown, Joe Simon, Little Milton, Parliament, Funkadelic, Bobby Bland, the Delfonics, Aretha Franklin, Irma Thomas, Luther Vandross, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Isley Brothers, Kool & the Gang, Tyrone Davis, Manhattans, Johnny Taylor, Little Johnnie Taylor, Bobby Womack, Chi-Lites, Barry White, Al Green, Gene Chandler, Dramatics, Rick James, Millie Jackson, Betty Wright.
> >
> > That's 26 artists. How many CD do you own by these 26 acts?
> >
> 7 or 8 : JB, Parliament, and Funkadelic, Green, Aretha.

I'm sure if you actually do have 7 or 8 that they are full of cobwebs.

On 11/03/2022 2:59 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:25:18 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>
>> But I don't feel guilty that I prefer my 'list', and the likes of Floyd
>> (Pink, not Anderson), Supertramp, Simply Red, APP, Focus, Genesis, Tull,
>> Dire Straits, Stones, etc. All to do with style(s) of music, not the
>> racial origins of the members.
>
> Of course. You prefer all the white styles best.

Your characterisation of styles is hugely flawed.

I don't discriminate on anything other than what appeals to my ear and
mind, and that has nothing to do with race.

geoff

On 11/03/2022 3:03 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:25:18 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 11/03/2022 1:10 pm, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:50:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So how about, if you want race/era/name-droppingto be a factor, Joan
>>>> Armatrading, Tracy Chapman, Nora Jones, Grace Jones. That would account
>>>> for over 30 CDs I own.
>>>
>>> All genetically black acts that do music that is mainly done by whites. That's why they are acceptable to you.
>> Que ?
>>>
>>> How about some REAL black music, like James Brown, Joe Simon, Little Milton, Parliament, Funkadelic, Bobby Bland, the Delfonics, Aretha Franklin, Irma Thomas, Luther Vandross, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Isley Brothers, Kool & the Gang, Tyrone Davis, Manhattans, Johnny Taylor, Little Johnnie Taylor, Bobby Womack, Chi-Lites, Barry White, Al Green, Gene Chandler, Dramatics, Rick James, Millie Jackson, Betty Wright.
>>>
>>> That's 26 artists. How many CD do you own by these 26 acts?
>>>
>> 7 or 8 : JB, Parliament, and Funkadelic, Green, Aretha.
>
> I'm sure if you actually do have 7 or 8 that they are full of cobwebs.
>

Possibly. My least likely to be 'full of cobwebs' just now would be Joan
A and Duke. You Look Good To Me is one of my fave tracks, and for a 1965
album extremely hi-fi. Even have it on SACD. One of my reference bass
tracks.

And me being a bassist (as well as other instruments), Bootsie is right
up there too.

geoff

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 9:05:18 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 11/03/2022 2:59 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:25:18 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >>
> >> But I don't feel guilty that I prefer my 'list', and the likes of Floyd
> >> (Pink, not Anderson), Supertramp, Simply Red, APP, Focus, Genesis, Tull,
> >> Dire Straits, Stones, etc. All to do with style(s) of music, not the
> >> racial origins of the members.
> >
> > Of course. You prefer all the white styles best.
> Your characterisation of styles is hugely flawed.
>
> I don't discriminate on anything other than what appeals to my ear and
> mind, and that has nothing to do with race.

So, you claim that's it's just a coincidence that the styles you like best are done almost exclusively by white people?

Don't you see? You've been conditioned all of your life to like white styles of music best. By radio stations, by your peers, by your environment, etc....Clearly you did not grow up in the inner city with lots of black friends.

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 9:11:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:

> Possibly. My least likely to be 'full of cobwebs' just now would be Joan
> A and Duke. You Look Good To Me is one of my fave tracks, and for a 1965
> album extremely hi-fi. Even have it on SACD. One of my reference bass
> tracks.
>
> And me being a bassist (as well as other instruments), Bootsie is right
> up there too.

So you play upright and electric?

What do you think of Leonard Gaskin?

On 11/03/2022 4:14 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 9:11:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>
>> Possibly. My least likely to be 'full of cobwebs' just now would be Joan
>> A and Duke. You Look Good To Me is one of my fave tracks, and for a 1965
>> album extremely hi-fi. Even have it on SACD. One of my reference bass
>> tracks.
>>
>> And me being a bassist (as well as other instruments), Bootsie is right
>> up there too.
>
> So you play upright and electric?

'Upright' only Ashbory, and my Ibanez MC940 fretless.

>
> What do you think of Leonard Gaskin?

Not aware of him as an individual. Just looked him up from what I
saw/heard not a patch on Ray Brown.

Of course I haven't heard much of Gaskin, but what I have heard doesn't
inspire me to go searching for more.

geoff

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:09:45 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 11/03/2022 4:14 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 9:11:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >
> >> Possibly. My least likely to be 'full of cobwebs' just now would be Joan
> >> A and Duke. You Look Good To Me is one of my fave tracks, and for a 1965
> >> album extremely hi-fi. Even have it on SACD. One of my reference bass
> >> tracks.
> >>
> >> And me being a bassist (as well as other instruments), Bootsie is right
> >> up there too.
> >
> > So you play upright and electric?
> 'Upright' only Ashbory, and my Ibanez MC940 fretless.

Don't you need an upright to play "You Look Good To Me" the way the record sounds?

> > What do you think of Leonard Gaskin?
> Not aware of him as an individual. Just looked him up from what I
> saw/heard not a patch on Ray Brown.
>
> Of course I haven't heard much of Gaskin, but what I have heard doesn't
> inspire me to go searching for more.

He did a lot of studio work, including playing on Dylan's first album. His last couple of years were spent in the nursing home my girlfriend used to work in. Played on a lot of stuff for my Grandfather at Savoy, including this classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPMZZeKekk8

On 11/03/2022 5:35 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:09:45 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 11/03/2022 4:14 pm, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 9:11:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Possibly. My least likely to be 'full of cobwebs' just now would be Joan
>>>> A and Duke. You Look Good To Me is one of my fave tracks, and for a 1965
>>>> album extremely hi-fi. Even have it on SACD. One of my reference bass
>>>> tracks.
>>>>
>>>> And me being a bassist (as well as other instruments), Bootsie is right
>>>> up there too.
>>>
>>> So you play upright and electric?
>> 'Upright' only Ashbory, and my Ibanez MC940 fretless.
>
> Don't you need an upright to play "You Look Good To Me" the way the record sounds?

Closest on the Ashbory (except the bowed part), but WTF has that got do
do with anything ?

>
>>> What do you think of Leonard Gaskin?
>> Not aware of him as an individual. Just looked him up from what I
>> saw/heard not a patch on Ray Brown.
>>
>> Of course I haven't heard much of Gaskin, but what I have heard doesn't
>> inspire me to go searching for more.
>
> He did a lot of studio work, including playing on Dylan's first album. His last couple of years were spent in the nursing home my girlfriend used to work in. Played on a lot of stuff for my Grandfather at Savoy, including this classic.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPMZZeKekk8

Everything I've heard seems to be very sparse staccato notes, slightly
'walky'.

geoff

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:18:04 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 11/03/2022 5:35 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:09:45 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >> On 11/03/2022 4:14 pm, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 9:11:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Possibly. My least likely to be 'full of cobwebs' just now would be Joan
> >>>> A and Duke. You Look Good To Me is one of my fave tracks, and for a 1965
> >>>> album extremely hi-fi. Even have it on SACD. One of my reference bass
> >>>> tracks.
> >>>>
> >>>> And me being a bassist (as well as other instruments), Bootsie is right
> >>>> up there too.
> >>>
> >>> So you play upright and electric?
> >> 'Upright' only Ashbory, and my Ibanez MC940 fretless.
> >
> > Don't you need an upright to play "You Look Good To Me" the way the record sounds?
> Closest on the Ashbory (except the bowed part), but WTF has that got do
> do with anything ?

I didn't get why you would warm up to a recording that uses an upright acoustic bass if you don't have one.

On 12/03/2022 4:21 am, Bruce wrote:
> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:18:04 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 11/03/2022 5:35 pm, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:09:45 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/2022 4:14 pm, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 9:11:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Possibly. My least likely to be 'full of cobwebs' just now would be Joan
>>>>>> A and Duke. You Look Good To Me is one of my fave tracks, and for a 1965
>>>>>> album extremely hi-fi. Even have it on SACD. One of my reference bass
>>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And me being a bassist (as well as other instruments), Bootsie is right
>>>>>> up there too.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you play upright and electric?
>>>> 'Upright' only Ashbory, and my Ibanez MC940 fretless.
>>>
>>> Don't you need an upright to play "You Look Good To Me" the way the record sounds?
>> Closest on the Ashbory (except the bowed part), but WTF has that got do
>> do with anything ?
>
> I didn't get why you would warm up to a recording that uses an upright acoustic bass if you don't have one.

Why would I need to have an instrument in order to heavily like music
that involved it ?!!! That would makes one's musical aoppreciation
extremely restricted.

geoff

On 12/03/2022 1:32 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 12/03/2022 4:21 am, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:18:04 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/2022 5:35 pm, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:09:45 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/03/2022 4:14 pm, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 9:11:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Possibly. My least likely to be 'full of cobwebs' just now would be Joan
>>>>>>>> A and Duke. You Look Good To Me is one of my fave tracks, and for a 1965
>>>>>>>> album extremely hi-fi. Even have it on SACD. One of my reference bass
>>>>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And me being a bassist (as well as other instruments), Bootsie is right
>>>>>>>> up there too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you play upright and electric?
>>>>>> 'Upright' only Ashbory, and my Ibanez MC940 fretless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you need an upright to play "You Look Good To Me" the way the record sounds?
>>>> Closest on the Ashbory (except the bowed part), but WTF has that got do
>>>> do with anything ?
>>>
>>> I didn't get why you would warm up to a recording that uses an upright acoustic bass if you don't have one.
>> Why would I need to have an instrument in order to heavily like music
>> that involved it ?!!! That would makes one's musical aoppreciation
>> extremely restricted.
>
> I'm not saying you can't like it. I'm saying that if you are going to play your bass along with a recording why pick a recording that does not include the type of bass that you are playing?

I tend to play my basses with other people (or just by myself) as
opposed to 'along with a recording'.

But there is no reason why an upright acoustic bass part can't be played
on a fretless electric bass guitar (which could sound nearly identical),
or for that matter even on a fretted one (which would certainly sound a
little different). Or even a keyboard, at a stretch.

geoff

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>
> But there is no reason why an upright acoustic bass part can't be played
> on a fretless electric bass guitar (which could sound nearly identical),

You're out of your fucking mind if you think that there's no difference in how and acoustic bass sounds and how ANY kind of electric bass sounds playing the same piece. It's not even close to sounding the same.

On 12/03/2022 2:23 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>
>> But there is no reason why an upright acoustic bass part can't be played
>> on a fretless electric bass guitar (which could sound nearly identical),
>
> You're out of your fucking mind if you think that there's no difference in how and acoustic bass sounds and how ANY kind of electric bass sounds playing the same piece. It's not even close to sounding the same.

Of course you know this from experience.

A fretless electric bass, especially with muted strings, can sound not
too far off, if imitation is your criteria.

But why should it have to in the first place ? Not everybody is so
anally-retentive about the minutiae of sound.

geoff

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 8:36:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 2:23 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >>
> >> But there is no reason why an upright acoustic bass part can't be played
> >> on a fretless electric bass guitar (which could sound nearly identical),
> >
> > You're out of your fucking mind if you think that there's no difference in how and acoustic bass sounds and how ANY kind of electric bass sounds playing the same piece. It's not even close to sounding the same.
> Of course you know this from experience.
>
> A fretless electric bass, especially with muted strings, can sound not
> too far off, if imitation is your criteria.
>
> But why should it have to in the first place ? Not everybody is so
> anally-retentive about the minutiae of sound.

I don't see the difference between acoustic and electric bass as anywhere close to minutiae. Do you also think that the difference between acoustic and electric guitar is minutiae?

I can ALWAYS tell instantly when a recording has electric or acoustic bass, and for me, acoustic is ALWAYS better except for funk recordings. I actually like this below almost as much as the Beatles version because it has an acoustic bass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1KOwvPgu4Y

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 12:52:37 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 5:11 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 8:36:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >> On 12/03/2022 2:23 pm, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> But there is no reason why an upright acoustic bass part can't be played
> >>>> on a fretless electric bass guitar (which could sound nearly identical),
> >>>
> >>> You're out of your fucking mind if you think that there's no difference in how and acoustic bass sounds and how ANY kind of electric bass sounds playing the same piece. It's not even close to sounding the same.
> >> Of course you know this from experience.
> >>
> >> A fretless electric bass, especially with muted strings, can sound not
> >> too far off, if imitation is your criteria.
> >>
> >> But why should it have to in the first place ? Not everybody is so
> >> anally-retentive about the minutiae of sound.
> >
> > I don't see the difference between acoustic and electric bass as anywhere close to minutiae. Do you also think that the difference between acoustic and electric guitar is minutiae?
> No, but obsessing over whether or not it is significant is.
> >
> > I can ALWAYS tell instantly when a recording has electric or acoustic bass, and for me, acoustic is ALWAYS better except for funk recordings.
> Pleased for you.
> I actually like this below almost as much as the Beatles version because
> it has an acoustic bass.
> If you want to split hairs then I have an acoustic bass. And it's not
> upright and it's not
> fretless.https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ysf9fppdytbjtl/Ibanez%20Talman%20acoustic%20bass%20w.pickup.jpg?dl=0
>
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1KOwvPgu4Y
>
> It's OK. No better or worse than any other bass line just because of the
> instrument.
>
> We get it. You get a stiffy almost exclusively for upright basses.

They have a COMPLETELY different sound than an electric bass, and I'm sure vastly different than your guitar shaped acoustic. A must for rockabilly and jazz. You can't get this kind of sound from anything but an upright acoustic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggi5Tq3XDRI

On 12/03/2022 7:31 pm, Bruce wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 12:52:37 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>> On 12/03/2022 5:11 pm, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 8:36:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 12/03/2022 2:23 pm, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there is no reason why an upright acoustic bass part can't be played
>>>>>> on a fretless electric bass guitar (which could sound nearly identical),
>>>>>
>>>>> You're out of your fucking mind if you think that there's no difference in how and acoustic bass sounds and how ANY kind of electric bass sounds playing the same piece. It's not even close to sounding the same.
>>>> Of course you know this from experience.
>>>>
>>>> A fretless electric bass, especially with muted strings, can sound not
>>>> too far off, if imitation is your criteria.
>>>>
>>>> But why should it have to in the first place ? Not everybody is so
>>>> anally-retentive about the minutiae of sound.
>>>
>>> I don't see the difference between acoustic and electric bass as anywhere close to minutiae. Do you also think that the difference between acoustic and electric guitar is minutiae?
>> No, but obsessing over whether or not it is significant is.
>>>
>>> I can ALWAYS tell instantly when a recording has electric or acoustic bass, and for me, acoustic is ALWAYS better except for funk recordings.
>> Pleased for you.
>> I actually like this below almost as much as the Beatles version because
>> it has an acoustic bass.
>> If you want to split hairs then I have an acoustic bass. And it's not
>> upright and it's not
>> fretless.https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ysf9fppdytbjtl/Ibanez%20Talman%20acoustic%20bass%20w.pickup.jpg?dl=0
>>
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1KOwvPgu4Y
>>
>> It's OK. No better or worse than any other bass line just because of the
>> instrument.
>>
>> We get it. You get a stiffy almost exclusively for upright basses.
>
> They have a COMPLETELY different sound than an electric bass, and I'm sure vastly different than your guitar shaped acoustic. A must for rockabilly and jazz. You can't get this kind of sound from anything but an upright acoustic.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggi5Tq3XDRI

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=https%3A%2F%2Flmgtfy.app%2F%3Fq%3Dfretless%2Belectric%2Bbass%2Bupright%2Bsound&iie=1

But what would they all know.

Actually I can do better on by fretless Ibanez than any of these - with
muting, scooped EQ and a sharper picking angle I can even get a good
slap bass sound.

And then there is the Ashbory which is pretty much an exact upright sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t33mxAKVj4

geoff

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 3:42:03 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>
> And then there is the Ashbory which is pretty much an exact upright sound.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t33mxAKVj4

If you think that this sounds ANYWHERE NEAR an "exact upright sound" you need some of this:

https://images.freshop.com/00042037104795/9c4c88065b4f89174ce22396f55926ca_large.png

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:14:39 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 3:42:03 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >
> > And then there is the Ashbory which is pretty much an exact upright sound.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t33mxAKVj4
> If you think that this sounds ANYWHERE NEAR an "exact upright sound" you need some of this:
>
> https://images.freshop.com/00042037104795/9c4c88065b4f89174ce22396f55926ca_large.png

Just play Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side". Herbie Flowers electric and standup basses are fugued together!!
The sonic differences are distinctly displayed here!!

On 13/03/2022 4:14 am, Bruce wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 3:42:03 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>
>> And then there is the Ashbory which is pretty much an exact upright sound.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t33mxAKVj4

Sound pretty much like the one that I play (not mine, and 'only' a 3/4).

>
> If you think that this sounds ANYWHERE NEAR an "exact upright sound" you need some of this:
>
> https://images.freshop.com/00042037104795/9c4c88065b4f89174ce22396f55926ca_large.png

Apparently.

geoiff

On 13/03/2022 5:00 am, Dennis Rowan wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:14:39 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 3:42:03 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
>>>
>>> And then there is the Ashbory which is pretty much an exact upright sound.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t33mxAKVj4
>> If you think that this sounds ANYWHERE NEAR an "exact upright sound" you need some of this:
>>
>> https://images.freshop.com/00042037104795/9c4c88065b4f89174ce22396f55926ca_large.png
>
> Just play Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side". Herbie Flowers electric and standup basses are fugued together!!
> The sonic differences are distinctly displayed here!!

Certainly are, as they are intended to be in this case. Wouldn't be any
point in doing that doubling otherwise !

But that's not to say that an electric bass (esp fretless) can't be
played and EQed to sound much more like an upright bass than that, if
that is want if wanted, by:
- Reduced sustain by hand muting and/or a damper on the strings)
- EQ by reducing the low mids and upper lows, to produce the more boxy
sound.
- Fingering technique.

Bruce (not Jack Bruce !) might disagree.

geoff

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 3:42:03 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 7:31 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 12:52:37 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >> On 12/03/2022 5:11 pm, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 8:36:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >>>> On 12/03/2022 2:23 pm, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But there is no reason why an upright acoustic bass part can't be played
> >>>>>> on a fretless electric bass guitar (which could sound nearly identical),
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You're out of your fucking mind if you think that there's no difference in how and acoustic bass sounds and how ANY kind of electric bass sounds playing the same piece. It's not even close to sounding the same.
> >>>> Of course you know this from experience.
> >>>>
> >>>> A fretless electric bass, especially with muted strings, can sound not
> >>>> too far off, if imitation is your criteria.
> >>>>
> >>>> But why should it have to in the first place ? Not everybody is so
> >>>> anally-retentive about the minutiae of sound.
> >>>
> >>> I don't see the difference between acoustic and electric bass as anywhere close to minutiae. Do you also think that the difference between acoustic and electric guitar is minutiae?
> >> No, but obsessing over whether or not it is significant is.
> >>>
> >>> I can ALWAYS tell instantly when a recording has electric or acoustic bass, and for me, acoustic is ALWAYS better except for funk recordings.
> >> Pleased for you.
> >> I actually like this below almost as much as the Beatles version because
> >> it has an acoustic bass.
> >> If you want to split hairs then I have an acoustic bass. And it's not
> >> upright and it's not
> >> fretless.https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ysf9fppdytbjtl/Ibanez%20Talman%20acoustic%20bass%20w.pickup.jpg?dl=0
> >>
> >>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1KOwvPgu4Y
> >>
> >> It's OK. No better or worse than any other bass line just because of the
> >> instrument.
> >>
> >> We get it. You get a stiffy almost exclusively for upright basses.
> >
> > They have a COMPLETELY different sound than an electric bass, and I'm sure vastly different than your guitar shaped acoustic. A must for rockabilly and jazz. You can't get this kind of sound from anything but an upright acoustic.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggi5Tq3XDRI
> https://lmgtfy.app/?q=https%3A%2F%2Flmgtfy.app%2F%3Fq%3Dfretless%2Belectric%2Bbass%2Bupright%2Bsound&iie=1
>
> But what would they all know.
>
> Actually I can do better on by fretless Ibanez than any of these - with
> muting, scooped EQ and a sharper picking angle I can even get a good
> slap bass sound.
>
> And then there is the Ashbory which is pretty much an exact upright sound.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t33mxAKVj4
>
> geoff

That thing sounds amazing. I never even tried one -- to my shame.

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:41:39 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 3:42:03 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > On 12/03/2022 7:31 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 12:52:37 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > >> On 12/03/2022 5:11 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 8:36:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > >>>> On 12/03/2022 2:23 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > >>>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> But there is no reason why an upright acoustic bass part can't be played
> > >>>>>> on a fretless electric bass guitar (which could sound nearly identical),
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You're out of your fucking mind if you think that there's no difference in how and acoustic bass sounds and how ANY kind of electric bass sounds playing the same piece. It's not even close to sounding the same.
> > >>>> Of course you know this from experience.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A fretless electric bass, especially with muted strings, can sound not
> > >>>> too far off, if imitation is your criteria.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But why should it have to in the first place ? Not everybody is so
> > >>>> anally-retentive about the minutiae of sound.
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't see the difference between acoustic and electric bass as anywhere close to minutiae. Do you also think that the difference between acoustic and electric guitar is minutiae?
> > >> No, but obsessing over whether or not it is significant is.
> > >>>
> > >>> I can ALWAYS tell instantly when a recording has electric or acoustic bass, and for me, acoustic is ALWAYS better except for funk recordings.
> > >> Pleased for you.
> > >> I actually like this below almost as much as the Beatles version because
> > >> it has an acoustic bass.
> > >> If you want to split hairs then I have an acoustic bass. And it's not
> > >> upright and it's not
> > >> fretless.https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ysf9fppdytbjtl/Ibanez%20Talman%20acoustic%20bass%20w.pickup.jpg?dl=0
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1KOwvPgu4Y
> > >>
> > >> It's OK. No better or worse than any other bass line just because of the
> > >> instrument.
> > >>
> > >> We get it. You get a stiffy almost exclusively for upright basses.
> > >
> > > They have a COMPLETELY different sound than an electric bass, and I'm sure vastly different than your guitar shaped acoustic. A must for rockabilly and jazz. You can't get this kind of sound from anything but an upright acoustic.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggi5Tq3XDRI
> > https://lmgtfy.app/?q=https%3A%2F%2Flmgtfy.app%2F%3Fq%3Dfretless%2Belectric%2Bbass%2Bupright%2Bsound&iie=1
> >
> > But what would they all know.
> >
> > Actually I can do better on by fretless Ibanez than any of these - with
> > muting, scooped EQ and a sharper picking angle I can even get a good
> > slap bass sound.
> >
> > And then there is the Ashbory which is pretty much an exact upright sound.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t33mxAKVj4
> >
> > geoff
> That thing sounds amazing. I never even tried one -- to my shame.

https://youtu.be/2CmnKprLoAs

Now, that's how you minimally maximize your rhythm section, baby!!

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:03:00 AM UTC-4, dennis...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:41:39 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 3:42:03 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > > On 12/03/2022 7:31 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 12:52:37 AM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > > >> On 12/03/2022 5:11 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > > >>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 8:36:19 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > > >>>> On 12/03/2022 2:23 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> But there is no reason why an upright acoustic bass part can't be played
> > > >>>>>> on a fretless electric bass guitar (which could sound nearly identical),
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> You're out of your fucking mind if you think that there's no difference in how and acoustic bass sounds and how ANY kind of electric bass sounds playing the same piece. It's not even close to sounding the same.
> > > >>>> Of course you know this from experience.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> A fretless electric bass, especially with muted strings, can sound not
> > > >>>> too far off, if imitation is your criteria.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> But why should it have to in the first place ? Not everybody is so
> > > >>>> anally-retentive about the minutiae of sound.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don't see the difference between acoustic and electric bass as anywhere close to minutiae. Do you also think that the difference between acoustic and electric guitar is minutiae?
> > > >> No, but obsessing over whether or not it is significant is.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I can ALWAYS tell instantly when a recording has electric or acoustic bass, and for me, acoustic is ALWAYS better except for funk recordings.
> > > >> Pleased for you.
> > > >> I actually like this below almost as much as the Beatles version because
> > > >> it has an acoustic bass.
> > > >> If you want to split hairs then I have an acoustic bass. And it's not
> > > >> upright and it's not
> > > >> fretless.https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ysf9fppdytbjtl/Ibanez%20Talman%20acoustic%20bass%20w.pickup.jpg?dl=0
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1KOwvPgu4Y
> > > >>
> > > >> It's OK. No better or worse than any other bass line just because of the
> > > >> instrument.
> > > >>
> > > >> We get it. You get a stiffy almost exclusively for upright basses.
> > > >
> > > > They have a COMPLETELY different sound than an electric bass, and I'm sure vastly different than your guitar shaped acoustic. A must for rockabilly and jazz. You can't get this kind of sound from anything but an upright acoustic.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggi5Tq3XDRI
> > > https://lmgtfy.app/?q=https%3A%2F%2Flmgtfy.app%2F%3Fq%3Dfretless%2Belectric%2Bbass%2Bupright%2Bsound&iie=1
> > >
> > > But what would they all know.
> > >
> > > Actually I can do better on by fretless Ibanez than any of these - with
> > > muting, scooped EQ and a sharper picking angle I can even get a good
> > > slap bass sound.
> > >
> > > And then there is the Ashbory which is pretty much an exact upright sound.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t33mxAKVj4
> > >
> > > geoff
> > That thing sounds amazing. I never even tried one -- to my shame.
> https://youtu.be/2CmnKprLoAs
>
> Now, that's how you minimally maximize your rhythm section, baby!!
What are the Ashbory's strings made from?