On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:36:37 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:57:22 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:16:39 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >DK: Looking at things from a purely
> > > statistical perspective is seems
> > > rather odd that a professional
> > > musician (and a fiddler no less)
> > > never has anything positive to
> > > say about Jewish musicians.
> > >
> > > As always, I would be happy to
> > > be proven wrong.
> >
> >H: No you would not be happy, because this is
> > just another instance of your well-documented
> > campaigns to oust members from RMCR whom
> > you're unhappy with.

> DK: This is bizarre beyond imagination. I am
> perfectly happy with anyone and everyone
> posting here. This is an open, unregulated
> newsgroup. No one has the authority, let
> alone the means. to kick anyone out.

Technically that’s correct. However, you have a record of showering people with insults if they do not post what you want, and after one or two times they leave the group. You are fully aware of this, and that’s why you do it. Ethnic or national stereotype slurs are part of your hate repertoire. So anyone who’s posting from France is treated to stupid remarks about escargots and “humorous” links to “I Hate France”; the one or two Dutch members are “Gouda” and in general anyone who is not a USA resident is showered with ethnic insults. This week you talked about a whole group of people being “imperial subjects” and thus beneath contempt. All of them were posting from EU. It’s like going back to the Fifties, when (dumb) people freely talked about ethnic stereotypes. On the internet you can’t do this.
And yet you also level accusations of anti-fill-in-the-blank stuff against all people. If I’m not interested in superyoung contestants who seem to be overwhelmingly from Asia, it’s obviously not that I am not so interested in superyoung performers - I’d rather wait and see later. No, you attempt to drum up hate against me by saying I’m an anti-Asian racist.

> > H: And as to your bizarre fake documentation
> > that I have 'never said anything positive'
> > about a Jewish musician. Recently I talked
> > about how much I admired Raphael Hillyer,
> > the violist of the sixties Juilliard Quartet.
> DK: You are proving my point. You are a violinist,
> and the only Jewish string player you mention
> is a VIOLIST, no matter how good ?!? Not one
> word about Kreisler, Oistrakh, Kogan, Heifetz,
> Huberman, Elman, Milstein, Szeryng, Kremer,
> Menuhin, Vengerov, Gitlis or Haendel? As if
> they never existed?

This is insane and paranoid. It’s quite possible I have never in fifteen years posted about Kreisler. Some of the other ones I have mentioned (as I recall). There may be several options why I mention names from this group so rarely. Could it be because they are Jewish? Or could it be because they’re of a bygone era? Do I post a lot about non-Jewish performers of a bygone era, so as to prove my prejudice? No I don’t. Could it be I’m interested in the present and living performers?
The other thing is I am not so interested in big soloists who are famous for their Tchaikovsky, Brahms and Beethoven. When I hear the opening tutti of those concertos, I tune out. Same with most piano concertos. I’m not a Classic FM guy. The number of times I listen to a concerto or symphony at home are virtually zero. We just don’t do that.
If there’s music @ home we usually make it ourselves, my GF and I. Other than that I’m basically a chamber music guy who typically focuses on the middle voices, it’s something I have always done, I’m a born 2nd violinist. This is why I mentioned Raphael Hillyer of the sixties Juilliard - whose contribution to the JSQ is essential to me, and who also happens to be Jewish.
This is really quite clear from yr posting history, but you only read people’s posts obsessively to catch them and hate them. The twists of your reasoning here are just insane; liking a viola player proves y antisemitism? Please go and talk to a doctor about this. You talk about listening obsessively to one piece of music 24 hours a day, otherwise it’s no good. You demand other people do this too, otherwise they’re no good.. These are the ideas of a sick person, and you have made RMCR into the theatre of your mental illness, and true, just as with the Ansermet / mouthpiece kid, there’s nothing we can do. So have at it.

> >H: Just an example of the way you're lying all
> > the time to further your hate campaigns.
> You are clearly paranoid. Always looking for
> or claiming some conspiracy or ulterior
> motive.
> > However, obviously I did not praise him as a
> > Jewish viola player; I don't think anybody here
> > does that kind of thing. Except for you, always
> > dragging in people's race or ethnicity.

> DK: When people deserve it -- as you do Mr. Gouda!
>
No response needed, thanks.

Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.

Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 10:20:36 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
>
> Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.

Well, I disagree. He's not some funny gentleman with unusual habits, but a raging hateful ego monster.

Note for instance that many people wished Frank B. well after his medical procedure, but DK just keeps on yapping about his things right between those well wishes. Other people do not exist.

However, it's basically no use talking about DK. my point was to clear this crazy malicious antisemitism charge.

On 11/3/2022 5:46 AM, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 10:20:36 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
>> Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
>>
>> Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.
>
> Well, I disagree. He's not some funny gentleman with unusual habits, but a raging hateful ego monster.
>
> Note for instance that many people wished Frank B. well after his medical procedure, but DK just keeps on yapping about his things right between those well wishes. Other people do not exist.
>
> However, it's basically no use talking about DK. my point was to clear this crazy malicious antisemitism charge.

I do not believe that Dan's failure (if that's the correct characterization) to wish me well is indicative of poor mental health. OTOH, your projection that it is, may be indicative of a your own poor mental health. Well wishes are to some extent genuine and to some extent merely virtue signalling.

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:20:36 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>
> Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.

This is incorrect. I am perectly centered
in a multidimensional universe. What
else would one expect from a physicist?

> Interestingly, eccentric people generally
> enjoy good mental health. Freedom from
> convention, probably.

It is not freedom from convention as much
as the healthy food I eat: neither meat nor
potatoes (hence no German music), fish,
tomatoes, eggplant, French fries once a
year, risotto, sushi, chocolate, port and
scotch in moderation, dumplings, no
chicken or turkey, smoked duck once
a year, no eggs, plenty of cheese and
tuna. You get the idea. Not to forget,
I drink coffee and hot chocolate non
stop.

dk

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:46:54 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
>
> Well, I disagree. He's not some funny gentleman with
> unusual habits, but a raging hateful ego monster.

I never tried to be funny. I also never tried to be a
gentleman. The old continent is full of those.

> However, it's basically no use talking about DK.
> my point was to clear this crazy malicious
> antisemitism charge.

You failed at it miserably.

dk

On 2022-11-03 12:15 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:20:36 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>
>> Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
>
> This is incorrect. I am perectly centered
> in a multidimensional universe. What
> else would one expect from a physicist?
>
>> Interestingly, eccentric people generally
>> enjoy good mental health. Freedom from
>> convention, probably.
>
> It is not freedom from convention as much
> as the healthy food I eat: neither meat nor
> potatoes (hence no German music), fish,
> tomatoes, eggplant, French fries once a
> year, risotto, sushi, chocolate, port and
> scotch in moderation, dumplings, no
> chicken or turkey, smoked duck once
> a year, no eggs, plenty of cheese and
> tuna. You get the idea. Not to forget,
> I drink coffee and hot chocolate non
> stop.
>
> dk
Then perhaps it's time to switch to decaff! :-)

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:28:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> On 2022-11-03 12:15 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > It is not freedom from convention as much
> > as the healthy food I eat: neither meat nor
> > potatoes (hence no German music), fish,
> > tomatoes, eggplant, French fries once a
> > year, risotto, sushi, chocolate, port and
> > scotch in moderation, dumplings, no
> > chicken or turkey, smoked duck once
> > a year, no eggs, plenty of cheese and
> > tuna. You get the idea. Not to forget,
> > I drink coffee and hot chocolate non
> > stop.
>
> Then perhaps it's time to switch to decaff! :-)

Decaf should be outlawed -- just like
all the other fake things civilization
has produced. No plastic, please!

No paper money, only solid gold
guilders. No credit cards. No
social media.

dk

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:17:30 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:46:54 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> >
> > Well, I disagree. He's not some funny gentleman with
> > unusual habits, but a raging hateful ego monster.
>
> I never tried to be funny. I also never tried to be
> a gentleman. The old continent is full of those.

You may or may not have noticed we now live in
post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
refreshing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/11/people-oversharing-tmi-friendship-boundaries/671970/

We should get rid of all Central European
hypocrisy and pretense. The remnants of
the Austrian Empire should be eradicated
from this planet! ;-)

No city makes me as sick to my stomach
as Vienna! Seriously, I am not making this
up! Every time I set foot in Vienna I fell like
throwing up! It is a visceral reaction I just
cannot control.

dk

dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 3. November 2022 um 19:42:32 UTC+1:
> No city makes me as sick to my stomach
> as Vienna! Seriously, I am not making this
> up! Every time I set foot in Vienna I fell like
> throwing up! It is a visceral reaction I just
> cannot control.
>
> dk

That would be a sign of poor mental health. You need to learn to control your emotions Mr Physicist.

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 1:50:13 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 3. November 2022 um 19:42:32 UTC+1:
> >
> > No city makes me as sick to my stomach
> > as Vienna! Seriously, I am not making this
> > up! Every time I set foot in Vienna I fell like
> > throwing up! It is a visceral reaction I just
> > cannot control.
>
> That would be a sign of poor mental health.
> You need to learn to control your emotions
> Mr Physicist.

I was referring to my stomach, not to my
emotions.

Also worth mentioning that every time I
stop in Vienna, the city appears to have
gotten dirtier than on the previous visit,
and the coffee tastes worse and worse.
Go figure.

dk

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:42:32 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>

> >
> You may or may not have noticed we now live in
> post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
> refreshing.
>
Don't make it bigger than it is. It's just you're a fulltime online person; you probably live alone, you have no family, all you do is yap online, living in a fantasy world, where you can drive this great car and yell abuse at people you'll never meet in person.
Absolutely, there are a lot of folks who love this post-civilization net world, sending death and rape threats all over and calling people Nazis at the drop of a hat.
Boorish and nasty behavior has no consequences on the internet if you never look in the mirror.

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:46:48 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:42:32 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > You may or may not have noticed we now live in
> > post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
> > refreshing.
> >
> Don't make it bigger than it is. It's just you're a
> fulltime online person; you probably live alone,
> you have no family, all you do is yap online,
> living in a fantasy world, where you can drive
> this great car and yell abuse at people you'll
> never meet in person.

Wrong on all counts.

> Absolutely, there are a lot of folks who love
> this post-civilization net world,

There are always tradeoffs, conveniences,
and inconveniences. I have no use for a
"civiliazation" that worships Arrau while
bashing HJ Lim and modern pianists.

> sending death and rape threats all over

?!?

On 11/4/2022 5:05 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:46:48 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:42:32 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>> You may or may not have noticed we now live in
>>> post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
>>> refreshing.
>>>
>> Don't make it bigger than it is. It's just you're a
>> fulltime online person; you probably live alone,
>> you have no family, all you do is yap online,
>> living in a fantasy world, where you can drive
>> this great car and yell abuse at people you'll
>> never meet in person.
>
> Wrong on all counts.
>
>> Absolutely, there are a lot of folks who love
>> this post-civilization net world,
>
> There are always tradeoffs, conveniences,
> and inconveniences. I have no use for a
> "civiliazation" that worships Arrau while
> bashing HJ Lim and modern pianists.
>
>> sending death and rape threats all over
>
> ?!?
>
>
>

What, you don't know that all those great former participants in RMCR have left because of the death and rape threats?

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:46:48 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:42:32 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > You may or may not have noticed we now live in
> > post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
> > refreshing.
> >
> Don't make it bigger than it is. It's just you're a fulltime online person; you probably live alone, you have no family, all you do is yap online, living in a fantasy world, where you can drive this great car and yell abuse at people you'll never meet in person.
> Absolutely, there are a lot of folks who love this post-civilization net world, sending death and rape threats all over...

I'm not ready for that yet.

Sorry..

On 11/3/22 11:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:17:30 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:46:54 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I disagree. He's not some funny gentleman with
>>> unusual habits, but a raging hateful ego monster.
>>
>> I never tried to be funny. I also never tried to be
>> a gentleman. The old continent is full of those.
>
> You may or may not have noticed we now live in
> post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
> refreshing.

This explains great deal about you, none of it very edifying to
contemplate, and greatly to be regretted.

Bob Harper

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:45:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> On 11/3/22 11:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > You may or may not have noticed we now live in
> > post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
> > refreshing.
>
> This explains great deal about you, none of it very
> edifying to contemplate, and greatly to be regretted.

This is mainly an observation about current times and
mores. It does not have much if anything at all with my
own views.

The classical music industry and the classical music
establishment have long been acting as if every work,
every recording, every artist and every composer are
all above average just by being on stage or in front of
the public.

The time is long overdue to put an end to such pretense
and hypocrisy. This would have been impossible before
social media. This is what I refer to as the post-etiquette
post-pretense era. We are all sick and tired, aren't we, of
hearing that every artist is above average, and that it is
inappropriate to say otherwise.

This is a pretty obvious case that I consider to be closed.

dk

dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 00:58:38 UTC+1:
> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:45:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> > On 11/3/22 11:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > You may or may not have noticed we now live in
> > > post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
> > > refreshing.
> >
> > This explains great deal about you, none of it very
> > edifying to contemplate, and greatly to be regretted.
> This is mainly an observation about current times and
> mores. It does not have much if anything at all with my
> own views.
>
> The classical music industry and the classical music
> establishment have long been acting as if every work,
> every recording, every artist and every composer are
> all above average just by being on stage or in front of
> the public.
>
> The time is long overdue to put an end to such pretense
> and hypocrisy. This would have been impossible before
> social media. This is what I refer to as the post-etiquette
> post-pretense era. We are all sick and tired, aren't we, of
> hearing that every artist is above average, and that it is
> inappropriate to say otherwise.
>
> This is a pretty obvious case that I consider to be closed.
>
> dk

Amen. It's so fucking obvious that it's actually kind of absurd Bob doesn't see it. It's also aburd, that Bob doesn't see how fucked up Herman is in his head...

I'm also tired of women pretending to be men and men pretending to be women btw... and a US President who explains to a man cosplaying a woman that it is moral to allow the mutilation of gender-confused children: https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1584325795665047553

Leading to atrocities like this:

- kids being put on hormone blockers: https://twitter.com/againstgrmrs/status/1577778678364311552
- little girls' tits getting cut off: https://twitter.com/ChoooCole/status/1567735016926621696

This is all legal in many western countries (such as US and Germany, I've talked to victims).Transsexuality is a mental disorder, Transvestism is a fetish.

Cheregi, if you are reading this: Visit r/detrans, and honestly, go fuck yourself, cause you seem like a fucking narcissist - I remember how you told me that there is no irreversible damage done to people who get "gender affirmation therapy" (it's fucking brainwashing!). Check out my links you fucking idiot.

For Bob:

Fires will be kindled to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer. We shall be left defending, not only the incredible virtues and sanities of human life, but something more incredible still, this huge impossible universe which stares us in the face. - Chesterton

I think Chesterton was an antisemite - but the quote is good nonetheless.

I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552

Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
> I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552

It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.

https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257

Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.

One might not agree with everything they say and do, but these are the people we need to defend the west... NOT Biden and NOT Scholz.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:30:13 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist,

He does have other shortcomings however ;-)

dk

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 12:45:26 AM UTC+1, Bob Harper wrote:
>
> This explains great deal about you, none of it very edifying to
> contemplate, and greatly to be regretted.
>
Indeed. And look how this topic degenerates into a litany of obscenities.

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:05:07 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> I have no use for a
> "civilization" that worships Arrau while
> bashing HJ Lim and modern pianists.
>

I don't think anybody "worships" Arrau (some people like his playing a lot, I don't), but in any case it's a bad idea to go on a CM discussion group in that case.
You're bound to run into people who feel differently about performers you "worship", and then all you can do (apparently) is scream and yell and try to bludgeon people into obedience.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:30:13 PM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
>
Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
>
> One might not agree with everything they say and do, but these are the people we need to defend the west...

Sure, kiddo. That's why Trump stole classified information on nuclear secrets and made it available to Chinese spies.

> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:05:07 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > I have no use for a
> > "civilization" that worships Arrau while
> > bashing HJ Lim and modern pianists.
> >

In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not important in the least. Anyone who thinks it is must live in a frighteningly myopic, claustrophobic reality!

Your statement would convey a psychoanalyst a great deal of information about yourself.