djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>In article <sb83v3$sa7$1@dont-email.me>,
>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>On 6/26/2021 1:07 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <QqLBI.117312$431.19809@fx39.iad>,
>>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>>>> In article <slrnsdc39o.du2.dsr-usenet@randomstring.org>,
>>>>> -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-06-25, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 16:31:09 -0400, J. Clarke
>>>>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to remember where I recently saw coverage
>>>>>>>>> that indirectly implies it would be a good idea. Quora?
>>>>>>>>> That Canadian roofs currently are meant to stand up
>>>>>>>>> to quite a lot of snow, but sometimes don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Must be talking about Toronto which is one of the few places on the
>>>>>>> planet where you can own both a snow blower and air conditionings and
>>>>>>> not be considered crazy (Says this smug Vancouverite who spent 4 years
>>>>>>> living there 30 years ago and has no desire to go back)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assuming that if you live in the most urban areas, you don't need a snow
>>>>>> blower personally because you expect the city to take care of the streets
>>>>>> and sidewalks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure the zone of "snow blower and a/c both desirable" extends
>>>>> >from mid-Maine down through Pennsylvania and westward to the Mississippi.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Here in a part of California that's practically at sea level, we
>>>>> don't need snow blowers. A/C is something we're supposed to
>>>>> avoid using, to discourage power shortages. "Use fans" is the
>>>>> recommendation. We have a fan in the west window, a table fan
>>>>> pointed at me (as I sit in bed), and a table fan pointed at Hal
>>>>> (when he comes to bed).
>>>>
>>>> I've lived in California for almost forty years and have never
>>>> lived in a home with air conditioning. It really depends on
>>>> _where_ in the state you reside and how well designed your
>>>> domicile is (wide overhangs, well insulated, good windows
>>>> and cool (57-62F) evenings 98% of the time).
>>>
>>> Well, we're living in a house built in 1878, with an adapted
>>> basement/in-law apartment built maybe in the 1950s? it's hard to
>>> tell. There is an A/C unit in the master bedroom upstairs; we
>>> use fans that blow cool (because shaded by that great big ol'
>>> oak tree I mentioned upthread) into the main room, and two other
>>> fans that redirect that air to Hal's and my sides of the bed,
>>> respectively.
>>>
>>> Currently we're getting temps in the high 70s, with occasional
>>> days in the low 80s. We may be getting into the 90s as the
>>> summer/fall goes on.
>>>
>>A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>>
>Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>know.

I'm 15 miles from the Monterey Bay (near Hecker Pass), and we hit
106.4 here a week and a half ago. It never exceeded 79 in
the un-airconditioned house. It was 70 at the beach in
Watsonville. However, even then, it got down to 59 overnight.

Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
>On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 13:07:04 -0400, -dsr-
><dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure the zone of "snow blower and a/c both desirable" extends
>> from mid-Maine down through Pennsylvania and westward to the Mississippi.
>
>Here in northern Indiana, we have whole-house air conditioning (which
>has been essential for people in their eighties of late) but we don't
>own a snow blower.

The oppressive humidity in that part of the country
almost requires A/C, even on mild days. True in Wisconsin
as well (we got a window unit sometime in the early 70's),
and had it in the 1964 Chevy Impala wagon.

In article <9%2CI.97119$iY.31583@fx41.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>I'm 15 miles from the Monterey Bay (near Hecker Pass), and we hit
>106.4 here a week and a half ago. It never exceeded 79 in
>the un-airconditioned house. It was 70 at the beach in
>Watsonville. However, even then, it got down to 59 overnight.

Hotter than the hinges during the day, cooling down at night and
into morning. And people from elsewhere wonder why Californians
wear socks and sandals! You put on warm socks in the morning,
add sandals, walk around, around noon you take off the socks
because it's now too warm. If you're going to be out all day,
stow the socks somewhere about your person in case you need them
after sunset. What's not to like?

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 6/27/2021 11:29 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <9%2CI.97119$iY.31583@fx41.iad>,
> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm 15 miles from the Monterey Bay (near Hecker Pass), and we hit
>> 106.4 here a week and a half ago. It never exceeded 79 in
>> the un-airconditioned house. It was 70 at the beach in
>> Watsonville. However, even then, it got down to 59 overnight.
>
> Hotter than the hinges during the day, cooling down at night and
> into morning. And people from elsewhere wonder why Californians
> wear socks and sandals! You put on warm socks in the morning,
> add sandals, walk around, around noon you take off the socks
> because it's now too warm. If you're going to be out all day,
> stow the socks somewhere about your person in case you need them
> after sunset. What's not to like?
>
The dying from heat prostration?

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Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.

On 25/06/2021 04.58, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 22:11:16 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:

>> Must be talking about Toronto which is one of the few places on the
>> planet where you can own both a snow blower and air conditionings and
>> not be considered crazy (Says this smug Vancouverite who spent 4 years
>> living there 30 years ago and has no desire to go back)
>
> I guess Connecticut, Ohio, and Massachusetts are also among those "few
> places".

Not to mention Minnesnowta, so I won't.

--
Michael F. Stemper
There's no "me" in "team". There's no "us" in "team", either.

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>On 6/27/2021 11:29 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <9%2CI.97119$iY.31583@fx41.iad>,
>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm 15 miles from the Monterey Bay (near Hecker Pass), and we hit
>>> 106.4 here a week and a half ago. It never exceeded 79 in
>>> the un-airconditioned house. It was 70 at the beach in
>>> Watsonville. However, even then, it got down to 59 overnight.
>>
>> Hotter than the hinges during the day, cooling down at night and
>> into morning. And people from elsewhere wonder why Californians
>> wear socks and sandals! You put on warm socks in the morning,
>> add sandals, walk around, around noon you take off the socks
>> because it's now too warm. If you're going to be out all day,
>> stow the socks somewhere about your person in case you need them
>> after sunset. What's not to like?
>>
>The dying from heat prostration?

The difference between 106F in california and 106F in
St. Louis is the humidity. When it was 106.4 the other day,
the humdity was around 12%. In the midwest, the humidity
would be closer to 90% which makes even 85F miserable (leaving
aside the ever present mosquitos in the midwest, something else
we don't have in coastal California for the most part).

On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.

> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
> know.

I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.

But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
to cool off somewhat.

John Savard

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>
>> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>> know.
>
>I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>
>But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>to cool off somewhat.

Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?

If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.

99 is nasty.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

In article <82rrdg5naher5pcmqjlm82m3d04e4ehv2s@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>>
>>> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>>> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>>> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>>> know.
>>
>>I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.

Well, yes. More accurately, you're north-by-west of me.

/googles map

I sit corrected; you're north-by-EAST of me. West of me is not
much (San Rafael, e.g.) before you're in the Pacific Ocean.

>>But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>>weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>>to cool off somewhat.
>
>Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>
>If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>
>99 is nasty.

Damn right. So far, we've had a few days in the low 80s, and
we're shaded from the south by a huge California live oak. So it
hasn't been too bad. /cross fingers

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 12:26:03 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
> >
> >> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
> >> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
> >> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
> >> know.
> >
> >I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
> >
> >But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
> >weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
> >to cool off somewhat.
> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>
> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>
> 99 is nasty.

The previous Canadian heat record dated from the 1930s. That has been shattered as
several places have beaten the old record by more than a degree. Lytton BC hit 49+C or
about 120F. It is now well over 451F in spots.

A dark and stormy night would be much appreciated, if the storm brought enough rain.

William Hyde

In article <65d83f35-1d6a-4db2-9c02-b8e2faf9bb44n@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 12:26:03 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>> >
>> >> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>> >> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>> >> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>> >> know.
>> >
>> >I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>> >
>> >But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>> >weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>> >to cool off somewhat.
>> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>>
>> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>>
>> 99 is nasty.
>
>The previous Canadian heat record dated from the 1930s. That has been
>shattered as
>several places have beaten the old record by more than a degree. Lytton
>BC hit 49+C or
>about 120F. It is now well over 451F in spots.
>
>A dark and stormy night would be much appreciated, if the storm brought
>enough rain.
>
And no lightning strikes, please!

Uh... it's gone past that. Lytton is in flames. It appears that
all the inhabitants got out in time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57678054

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 5:25:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <65d83f35-1d6a-4db2...@googlegroups.com>,
> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 12:26:03 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> >> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
> >> >
> >> >> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
> >> >> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
> >> >> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
> >> >> know.
> >> >
> >> >I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
> >> >
> >> >But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
> >> >weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
> >> >to cool off somewhat.
> >> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
> >>
> >> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
> >>
> >> 99 is nasty.
> >
> >The previous Canadian heat record dated from the 1930s. That has been
> >shattered as
> >several places have beaten the old record by more than a degree. Lytton
> >BC hit 49+C or
> >about 120F. It is now well over 451F in spots.
> >
> >A dark and stormy night would be much appreciated, if the storm brought
> >enough rain.
> >
> And no lightning strikes, please!
>
> Uh... it's gone past that. Lytton is in flames. It appears that
> all the inhabitants got out in time.

Since the much larger town of Fort McMurray was evacuated and partially burnt
five years ago, they're getting good at getting out of town.

William Hyde

On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:36:56 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>In article <82rrdg5naher5pcmqjlm82m3d04e4ehv2s@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>>>
>>>> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>>>> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>>>> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>>>> know.
>>>
>>>I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>
>Well, yes. More accurately, you're north-by-west of me.
>
>/googles map
>
>I sit corrected; you're north-by-EAST of me. West of me is not
>much (San Rafael, e.g.) before you're in the Pacific Ocean.
>
>>>But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>>>weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>>>to cool off somewhat.
>>
>>Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>>
>>If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>>
>>99 is nasty.
>
>Damn right. So far, we've had a few days in the low 80s, and
>we're shaded from the south by a huge California live oak. So it
>hasn't been too bad. /cross fingers

It hit 100 here yesterday, and last year I lost both my shade trees.
Proper air conditioning is now on the to-do list.

In article <1f0343a8-5f1f-4551-aaea-5f36146494d6n@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 5:25:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <65d83f35-1d6a-4db2...@googlegroups.com>,
>> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 12:26:03 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >> >> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> >> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>> >> >> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>> >> >> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>> >> >> know.
>> >> >
>> >> >I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>> >> >
>> >> >But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>> >> >weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>> >> >to cool off somewhat.
>> >> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>> >>
>> >> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>> >>
>> >> 99 is nasty.
>> >
>> >The previous Canadian heat record dated from the 1930s. That has been
>> >shattered as
>> >several places have beaten the old record by more than a degree. Lytton
>> >BC hit 49+C or
>> >about 120F. It is now well over 451F in spots.
>> >
>> >A dark and stormy night would be much appreciated, if the storm brought
>> >enough rain.
>> >
>> And no lightning strikes, please!
>>
>> Uh... it's gone past that. Lytton is in flames. It appears that
>> all the inhabitants got out in time.
>
>Since the much larger town of Fort McMurray was evacuated and partially burnt
>five years ago, they're getting good at getting out of town.

Good.

Last summer, the town just north of us, American Canyon, had some
serious brush fires. But they have a lot of brush; the area is
not as thoroughly built-up as Vallejo. Still, Hal and I should
probably discuss the possibility of fires here, and make an
emergency escape list, just in case this year is worse.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 7/1/2021 10:36 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <82rrdg5naher5pcmqjlm82m3d04e4ehv2s@4ax.com>,
> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>>>
>>>> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>>>> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>>>> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>>>> know.
>>>
>>> I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>
> Well, yes. More accurately, you're north-by-west of me.
>
> /googles map
>
> I sit corrected; you're north-by-EAST of me. West of me is not
> much (San Rafael, e.g.) before you're in the Pacific Ocean.
>

HEY! I resent that!

>>> But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>>> weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>>> to cool off somewhat.
>>
>> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>>
>> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>>
>> 99 is nasty.
>
> Damn right. So far, we've had a few days in the low 80s, and
> we're shaded from the south by a huge California live oak. So it
> hasn't been too bad. /cross fingers
>

--
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Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.

On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:36:56 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>In article <82rrdg5naher5pcmqjlm82m3d04e4ehv2s@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>>>
>>>> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>>>> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>>>> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>>>> know.
>>>
>>>I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>
>Well, yes. More accurately, you're north-by-west of me.
>
>/googles map
>
>I sit corrected; you're north-by-EAST of me. West of me is not
>much (San Rafael, e.g.) before you're in the Pacific Ocean.
>
>>>But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>>>weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>>>to cool off somewhat.
>>
>>Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>>
>>If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>>
>>99 is nasty.
>
>Damn right. So far, we've had a few days in the low 80s, and
>we're shaded from the south by a huge California live oak. So it
>hasn't been too bad. /cross fingers

I managed to ... survive ... an internal temp of 96 for the last day,
but I hope to /never/ have to do that again. Well, in this life,
anyway.

I find anything up to 86 tolerable. 80 is, of course, a lot better.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 15:16:02 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 5:25:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <65d83f35-1d6a-4db2...@googlegroups.com>,
>> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 12:26:03 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >> >> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> >> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>> >> >> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>> >> >> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>> >> >> know.
>> >> >
>> >> >I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>> >> >
>> >> >But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>> >> >weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>> >> >to cool off somewhat.
>> >> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>> >>
>> >> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>> >>
>> >> 99 is nasty.
>> >
>> >The previous Canadian heat record dated from the 1930s. That has been
>> >shattered as
>> >several places have beaten the old record by more than a degree. Lytton
>> >BC hit 49+C or
>> >about 120F. It is now well over 451F in spots.
>> >
>> >A dark and stormy night would be much appreciated, if the storm brought
>> >enough rain.
>> >
>> And no lightning strikes, please!
>>
>> Uh... it's gone past that. Lytton is in flames. It appears that
>> all the inhabitants got out in time.
>
>Since the much larger town of Fort McMurray was evacuated and partially burnt
>five years ago, they're getting good at getting out of town.

Practice makes perfect.
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On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 23:18:34 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>In article <1f0343a8-5f1f-4551-aaea-5f36146494d6n@googlegroups.com>,
>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 5:25:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <65d83f35-1d6a-4db2...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 12:26:03 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> >> >> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> >> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>>> >> >> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>>> >> >> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>>> >> >> know.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>>> >> >weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>>> >> >to cool off somewhat.
>>> >> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>>> >>
>>> >> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>>> >>
>>> >> 99 is nasty.
>>> >
>>> >The previous Canadian heat record dated from the 1930s. That has been
>>> >shattered as
>>> >several places have beaten the old record by more than a degree. Lytton
>>> >BC hit 49+C or
>>> >about 120F. It is now well over 451F in spots.
>>> >
>>> >A dark and stormy night would be much appreciated, if the storm brought
>>> >enough rain.
>>> >
>>> And no lightning strikes, please!
>>>
>>> Uh... it's gone past that. Lytton is in flames. It appears that
>>> all the inhabitants got out in time.
>>
>>Since the much larger town of Fort McMurray was evacuated and partially burnt
>>five years ago, they're getting good at getting out of town.
>
>Good.
>
>Last summer, the town just north of us, American Canyon, had some
>serious brush fires. But they have a lot of brush; the area is
>not as thoroughly built-up as Vallejo. Still, Hal and I should
>probably discuss the possibility of fires here, and make an
>emergency escape list, just in case this year is worse.

Last March, I received from our Homeowner's Insurance company a
postcard which, in the initimable style I used in summarizing
Insurance Company notices:

"[T]hreatens to send people out to protect the house in the event it
is threatened by a wildfire. They will also come back to undo all
their damage after the fire is over."

IIRC, this involves a variety of measures, the most exciting of which
is applying "fire-resistent gel" to the house.

OK, it's probably meant for smaller communities likely to find
themselves in the path (or the midst) of fire, not for houses like
ours, which is in the midst of a major city. The biggest threat /here/
is the haze, which people got the vapors about last year even though
it took three days of seeing yellow skies on the Weather App
(symbolizing haze) before any haze was actually visible.
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In article <j8gudg1cjk92b9249kdbod6fg45hjpcsce@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>OK, it's probably meant for smaller communities likely to find
>themselves in the path (or the midst) of fire, not for houses like
>ours, which is in the midst of a major city. The biggest threat /here/
>is the haze, which people got the vapors about last year even though
>it took three days of seeing yellow skies on the Weather App
>(symbolizing haze) before any haze was actually visible.

Where is it you live, again? Your last-year's experience sounds
a lot like ours, which is why I have the air quality site
bookmarked right under the weather forecast.

--
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Vallejo, California
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In article <i6gudglh4cdoc8hvb94cotqg79pq3rda6i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 15:16:02 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
><wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 5:25:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <65d83f35-1d6a-4db2...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 12:26:03 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> >> >> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> >> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>>> >> >> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>>> >> >> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>>> >> >> know.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>>> >> >weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>>> >> >to cool off somewhat.
>>> >> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>>> >>
>>> >> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>>> >>
>>> >> 99 is nasty.
>>> >
>>> >The previous Canadian heat record dated from the 1930s. That has been
>>> >shattered as
>>> >several places have beaten the old record by more than a degree. Lytton
>>> >BC hit 49+C or
>>> >about 120F. It is now well over 451F in spots.
>>> >
>>> >A dark and stormy night would be much appreciated, if the storm brought
>>> >enough rain.
>>> >
>>> And no lightning strikes, please!
>>>
>>> Uh... it's gone past that. Lytton is in flames. It appears that
>>> all the inhabitants got out in time.
>>
>>Since the much larger town of Fort McMurray was evacuated and partially burnt
>>five years ago, they're getting good at getting out of town.
>
>Practice makes perfect.

Canada did manage a near perfect evacution of Mississauga back in the 1970s
but unique circumstances were involved: the derailed train never quite got
around to spreading a cloud of deadly gas across the city (although it was
definitely a possibility), most people in Mississauga had family distant
enough not to be threatened but close enough to flee to (thus reducing the
need to find somewhere to park the refugees), and Mississauga has two 400-
series highways for the refugees to exit the city. Contrast, for example,
Lac-Megantic rail disaster, where half a town was promptly blown off the
face of the Earth before people could flee the blast radius.

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On 7/2/2021 11:33 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:36:56 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
> wrote:
>
>> In article <82rrdg5naher5pcmqjlm82m3d04e4ehv2s@4ax.com>,
>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>>>>
>>>>> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>>>>> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>>>>> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
>>
>> Well, yes. More accurately, you're north-by-west of me.
>>
>> /googles map
>>
>> I sit corrected; you're north-by-EAST of me. West of me is not
>> much (San Rafael, e.g.) before you're in the Pacific Ocean.
>>
>>>> But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>>>> weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
>>>> to cool off somewhat.
>>>
>>> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>>>
>>> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>>>
>>> 99 is nasty.
>>
>> Damn right. So far, we've had a few days in the low 80s, and
>> we're shaded from the south by a huge California live oak. So it
>> hasn't been too bad. /cross fingers
>
> I managed to ... survive ... an internal temp of 96 for the last day,
> but I hope to /never/ have to do that again. Well, in this life,
> anyway.
>
> I find anything up to 86 tolerable. 80 is, of course, a lot better.

Sitting here in my 73 F office with 94 F / 70% humidity outside. All
air conditioners are in the blue and freely running even though they are
17 years old.

Lynn

On 7/2/2021 1:03 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 7/2/2021 11:33 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:36:56 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <82rrdg5naher5pcmqjlm82m3d04e4ehv2s@4ax.com>,
>>> Paul S Person  <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
>>>>>> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
>>>>>> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
>>>>>> know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than
>>>>> California.
>>>
>>> Well, yes.  More accurately, you're north-by-west of me.
>>>
>>> /googles map
>>>
>>> I sit corrected; you're north-by-EAST of me.  West of me is not
>>> much (San Rafael, e.g.) before you're in the Pacific Ocean.
>>>
>>>>> But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
>>>>> weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before
>>>>> starting
>>>>> to cool off somewhat.
>>>>
>>>> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
>>>>
>>>> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> 99 is nasty.
>>>
>>> Damn right.  So far, we've had a few days in the low 80s, and
>>> we're shaded from the south by a huge California live oak.  So it
>>> hasn't been too bad.  /cross fingers
>>
>> I managed to ... survive ... an internal temp of 96 for the last day,
>> but I hope to /never/ have to do that again. Well, in this life,
>> anyway.
>>
>> I find anything up to 86 tolerable. 80 is, of course, a lot better.
>
> Sitting here in my 73 F office with 94 F / 70% humidity outside.  All
> air conditioners are in the blue and freely running even though they are
> 17 years old.
>
> Lynn
>

You say that as though it were an old A/C unit.

As far as I remember, we've never replaced the central-air compressor
for this house.

The house was built with central air in '90 or '91 and my parents have
been the homeowners since '98.

(IF we ever had anyone in to replace it, it would be back around the
time you bought yours. The thermostats are about a decade old or newer
[they're even that blue-tone background that most single-colour LCD is
these days], but they went in, I *think*, when the *furnaces* got
swapped out, not the A/C).

It keeps the hall with the thermostat at the requested temp, and would
likely do so even if we requested 60.

But we never _will_ because that's way too much electricity we'd be
asking of it. And that bit about "the hall with the thermostat" is
significant, too, because the living room is 20-plus feet high and has
windows all over the south, southwest, and west walls. And since the
thermostat _isn't_ there, the main living area is always 4-5 degrees in
the undesirable direction from the temperature at the thermostat. Still,
that's not an A/C unit problem, that's a "stupid placement for the
thermostat" problem.

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On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 7:35:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <1f0343a8-5f1f-4551...@googlegroups.com>,
> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 5:25:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article <65d83f35-1d6a-4db2...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 12:26:03 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> >> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> >> >> In article <sb83v3$sa7$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> >> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >A bit west of you I've already seen several 100+ days this month.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Dear me. West of me (in Vallejo)? Would that be in Marin
> >> >> >> County? I should have expected anybody nearer the sea to have a
> >> >> >> cooler climate ... but I've never lived in Marin, so what do I
> >> >> >> know.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I live in Edmonton Alberta. Much chillier in the winter than California.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >But today the temperature got up to 99 degrees, due to a very unusual
> >> >> >weather system, and it is expected to get there tomorrow, before starting
> >> >> >to cool off somewhat.
> >> >> Is that the same thing that gave Seattle 3 100+ days in a row?
> >> >>
> >> >> If so, you can have it -- but I suggest you send it on its way ASAP.
> >> >>
> >> >> 99 is nasty.
> >> >
> >> >The previous Canadian heat record dated from the 1930s. That has been
> >> >shattered as
> >> >several places have beaten the old record by more than a degree. Lytton
> >> >BC hit 49+C or
> >> >about 120F. It is now well over 451F in spots.
> >> >
> >> >A dark and stormy night would be much appreciated, if the storm brought
> >> >enough rain.
> >> >
> >> And no lightning strikes, please!
> >>
> >> Uh... it's gone past that. Lytton is in flames. It appears that
> >> all the inhabitants got out in time.
> >
> >Since the much larger town of Fort McMurray was evacuated and partially burnt
> >five years ago, they're getting good at getting out of town.
> Good.

All but two people accounted for, out of about a thousand in the village and immediate surroundings.

Not much is left of the town, apparently. Even the bridges are damaged.

Some towns in the area are experiencing both fire and flood. The heat wave is
causing a vastly greater melt of the snow pack so water levels are rising. One town
is busy raising the banks along it's reservoir which would otherwise have flooded the town.
And still may.

The lower snow pack may lead to water shortages later in the summer.

We haven't got a full count of the heat-related deaths in a part of the country where
AC is scarce, but it seems to be in the hundreds.

If only someone had predicted this.

>
> Last summer, the town just north of us, American Canyon, had some
> serious brush fires. But they have a lot of brush; the area is
> not as thoroughly built-up as Vallejo. Still, Hal and I should
> probably discuss the possibility of fires here, and make an
> emergency escape list, just in case this year is worse.

Sounds wise to me.

William Hyde

On 3/07/21 9:07 am, William Hyde wrote:
snippage for brevity
>>>>>
>>>>> The previous Canadian heat record dated from the 1930s. That has been
>>>>> shattered as
>>>>> several places have beaten the old record by more than a degree. Lytton
>>>>> BC hit 49+C or
>>>>> about 120F. It is now well over 451F in spots.
>>>>
>>>> Uh... it's gone past that. Lytton is in flames. It appears that
>>>> all the inhabitants got out in time.
> All but two people accounted for, out of about a thousand in the village and immediate surroundings.
>
> Not much is left of the town, apparently. Even the bridges are damaged.
>
> Some towns in the area are experiencing both fire and flood. The heat wave is
> causing a vastly greater melt of the snow pack so water levels are rising. One town
> is busy raising the banks along it's reservoir which would otherwise have flooded the town.
> And still may.
>
> The lower snow pack may lead to water shortages later in the summer.
>
> We haven't got a full count of the heat-related deaths in a part of the country where
> AC is scarce, but it seems to be in the hundreds.
>
> If only someone had predicted this.
>

The background is explained in layman's terms at:

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2021/06/29/why-are-the-north-western-united-states-and-british-columbia-suffering-a-heatwave

Due to climate change, they predict that such heat domes will become
more common and more extreme. There is also an article on the world wide
situation and future problems:
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/07/03/the-danger-posed-by-heatwaves-deserves-to-be-taken-more-seriously

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 17:04:30 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>In article <j8gudg1cjk92b9249kdbod6fg45hjpcsce@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>OK, it's probably meant for smaller communities likely to find
>>themselves in the path (or the midst) of fire, not for houses like
>>ours, which is in the midst of a major city. The biggest threat /here/
>>is the haze, which people got the vapors about last year even though
>>it took three days of seeing yellow skies on the Weather App
>>(symbolizing haze) before any haze was actually visible.
>
>Where is it you live, again? Your last-year's experience sounds
>a lot like ours, which is why I have the air quality site
>bookmarked right under the weather forecast.

I'm in Seattle, WA.

During the recent unpleasantness, I activated the Weather app on my
Fire HD 6 and activated Location Services for it. It then offered
"Ravenna, WA" as an alternative. I don't know where that data comes
from (perhaps the UW), but it matched what I was experiencing a lot
better than the Seattle, WA data from SeaTac.

When I activated the Mapping app and activated Location Services for
it it showed /my house/ and my neighborhood. Searching Bing for
"Ravenna, WA" brought up only articles on my area, at least on the
first page. I was raised here, and have known for decades that our
house was build nearly 100 years ago in "Wassom's addition to Ravenna
Park", and (of course) played in Ravenna Park and explored the Ravine,
but I don't recall ever encountering "Ravenna, WA" as a location
before. Perhaps that's how Realtors think of us.

We had haze from BC fires, IIRC, two (or was it three?) years ago.
Last year we had haze from our own fires, including (IIRC) some on the
/west/ of the Cascades (the fires are usually east of the Cascades,
that is, in eastern Washington).
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