Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 18:39:18 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> What do you think of Tristan Murail's Territoires d'oubli?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Y8tZ7potQ&ab_channel=LanCao

I like this version (and the rest of the CD) quite well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2qoYkdwmvw&list=OLAK5uy_mBqC0_W0Z4ByYL8_0voh98BSl87GlvpOI&index=4

Never heard of Nonken before, but I like her approach to this music.

Henk

Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 19:05:41 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:11:19 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> >
> > I still prefer Peter Serkin's.
> >
> Sewing machine.

It's the most jazzy version I know. Chamayou sounds a bit overawed by the music, as in my young days pianists were when playing Bach or Mozart (Ba-AHH and Mose-ARHH).

Henk

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:19:21 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:
> Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 18:39:18 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > What do you think of Tristan Murail's Territoires d'oubli?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Y8tZ7potQ&ab_channel=LanCao
> I like this version (and the rest of the CD) quite well:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2qoYkdwmvw&list=OLAK5uy_mBqC0_W0Z4ByYL8_0voh98BSl87GlvpOI&index=4
>
> Never heard of Nonken before, but I like her approach to this music.
>
> Henk

She's a specialist in French piano music post Messiaen. The other performer who's taken up Murail is Frenderic Francois Guy

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Debussy-Murail-R%C3%A9volutions-Francois-Frederic-Guy/dp/B09MYYWFT3/ref=sr_1_2?crid=OOXQ9XK4XQBZ&keywords=frederic+francois+guy+debussy&qid=1684344480&sprefix=frederic+francois+guy+debussy%2Caps%2C84&sr=8-2

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:19:21 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:
> Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 18:39:18 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > What do you think of Tristan Murail's Territoires d'oubli?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Y8tZ7potQ&ab_channel=LanCao
> I like this version (and the rest of the CD) quite well:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2qoYkdwmvw&list=OLAK5uy_mBqC0_W0Z4ByYL8_0voh98BSl87GlvpOI&index=4
>
> Never heard of Nonken before, but I like her approach to this music.
>
> Henk

By the way, the score is indeterminate in all sorts of ways -- this one shows the score unfold. You could have a go at playing it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3UN_hUPOwQ&t=12s&ab_channel=Pourceuxquelelangagead%C3%A9sert%C3%A9s

Re Peter Serkin, I think this bit of Messiaen he recorded is wonderful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5bgAw7ciUA&ab_channel=PeterSerkin-Topic

On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 18:23:53 UTC+1, HT wrote:

> It's the most jazzy version I know. Chamayou sounds a bit overawed by the music, as in my young days pianists were when playing Bach or Mozart (Ba-AHH and Mose-ARHH).
> > Henk

Well.... this is deeply religious music and some reverence isn't out of place. Chamayou plays the music with sonorities closer to the organ - less percussive than others. Not such a bad thing for me.

Serkin doesn't do anything for me. Loriod is an alternative.

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:
> Re Peter Serkin, I think this bit of Messiaen he recorded is wonderful
>

Peter Serkin was a wonderful pianist (and person).

The 'sewing machine' comment was from RMCR's resident racist, who believes
the Serkin way of playing went from father to son.

In article <9e7847a4-2e88-486b-8a1c-385bc62c7e0cn@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dagdern@gmail.com> wrote:
>My memory is that if you look through the WAYLT threads each month,
>you will find lots of recordings of contemporary music discussed.

I've mentioned many over the past few years. Mostly there's no
response. Occasionally someone expresses some interest....

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:43:08 PM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:
> > Re Peter Serkin, I think this bit of Messiaen he recorded is wonderful
> >
> Peter Serkin was a wonderful pianist (and person).
>
> The 'sewing machine' comment was from RMCR's resident racist, who believes
> the Serkin way of playing went from father to son.

I was in the audience at Alice Tully Hall in Lincoln Center for a live performance of the Vingt Regards by Peter Serkin around the time the recording came out. Serkin performed the entire work from memory. I knew the work from John Ogden’s recording.

The performance was very impressive - not at all like a sewing machine. He actually produced a very beautiful range of colors. Admittedly not a quality one associates with the Serkin name. The only reason I don’t recommend his recording is that RCA recorded the piano very dryly.

I very much enjoy Steve Osborne’s recording on Hyperion - which will be streaming soon.

Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 19:29:36 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3UN_hUPOwQ&t=12s&ab_channel=Pourceuxquelelangagead%C3%A9sert%C3%A9s

Thanks for the link! Murail is no Sorabji, let alone Finnissy - but nevertheless, far too difficult. Besides, a score of six pages is my limit.

Henk

Herman schrieb am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 um 19:43:08 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:
> > Re Peter Serkin, I think this bit of Messiaen he recorded is wonderful
> >
> Peter Serkin was a wonderful pianist (and person).
>
> The 'sewing machine' comment was from RMCR's resident racist, who believes
> the Serkin way of playing went from father to son.

Well his Mozart is horrible. I think. And if you followed things on this board, you would have realized that Dan actually likes Schnabel, but dislikes his son. But as I said in another thread, trying to help antisemites to think properly is like teaching monkeys to speak...

On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 19:17:36 UTC+1, Marc S wrote:

> But as I said in another thread, trying to help antisemites to think properly is like teaching monkeys to speak...

FFS stop all this inane comments on antisemitism. You drone on and on and on and on about it as if it's the only thing in the world.

It makes it impossible to have conversations with you. You do realise this, I hope.

Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 um 20:17:36 UTC+2:
> Herman schrieb am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 um 19:43:08 UTC+2:
> > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:
> > > Re Peter Serkin, I think this bit of Messiaen he recorded is wonderful
> > >
> > Peter Serkin was a wonderful pianist (and person).
> >
> > The 'sewing machine' comment was from RMCR's resident racist, who believes
> > the Serkin way of playing went from father to son.
> Well his Mozart is horrible. I think. And if you followed things on this board, you would have realized that Dan actually likes Schnabel, but dislikes his son. But as I said in another thread, trying to help antisemites to think properly is like teaching monkeys to speak...

*And to help people think properly; the reason I mentioned Schnabel... -I actually shouldn't have, because Herman's accusation is so obviously bullshit that any idiot could see it if he wanted to- is that I wanted to show that Dan does not seem to believe such silly things; as in ruling: from father to son (as evidenced in another case)...

Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 um 20:37:00 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 19:17:36 UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
>
> > But as I said in another thread, trying to help antisemites to think properly is like teaching monkeys to speak...
> FFS stop all this inane comments on antisemitism. You drone on and on and on and on about it as if it's the only thing in the world.
>
> It makes it impossible to have conversations with you. You do realise this, I hope.

Stop projecting you fool... What a shameless person you are. You are a monkey as well. You are the one who should realize that it is impossible to have any meaningful discussion with you about anything...

No meaningful discussion with you possible wrt Israel... because "Apartheid"... which as the European Parliament has explained is an antisemitic statement and of which I provided proof, which you - who told us that he reads Al Jazeera and Amnesty International, who both accuse Israel of beign an Apartheid state - ofc just ignored.

How about climate change... is there any discussion possible with you? No.... the fool you are, you cheer on acts of vandalism by crazy ecological movements.
How about politics in America? "Trump is destroying democracy"... No words about Biden, Harris, Omar or any of the other thigns that is going on on the left...

As I already told you Andy... your head is stuck deep inside your asshole....

And the biggest problem with you for me here: your taste fucking sucks, so it's impossible to get some good recommendation from you...

The issue was, as others said, that Peter Serkin was a wonderful pianist, especially of contemporary music.

Herman schrieb am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 um 20:51:32 UTC+2:
> The issue was, as others said, that Peter Serkin was a wonderful pianist, especially of contemporary music.

The issue was your accusation you fool.

As others also have repeatedly pointed out to you Herman... you seem to have a weird obession with Dan.

This is why I started another topic...
As soon as these two goons appear it's over with any discussion.

Herman schrieb am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 um 20:53:56 UTC+2:
> This is why I started another topic...
> As soon as these two goons appear it's over with any discussion.

The reason was how you reacted to Dan. You could say that his taste sucks or we... but your accusation is the problem my friend... because it is untrue and full if hatred.

Herman schrieb am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 um 20:53:56 UTC+2:
> This is why I started another topic...
> As soon as these two goons appear it's over with any discussion.

I think the "You are a monkey as well" comment is especially funny.

On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 19:53:56 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> This is why I started another topic...
> As soon as these two goons appear it's over with any discussion.

Every now and then Marc appears to be capable of conversation. Then he just flips his lid and goes into gibberish as if his frontal lobes were made of cheese. Unfortunately he has verbal diarrhea and just goes off at a tangent for post after post after post talking complete nonsense.

Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 um 20:59:07 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 19:53:56 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > This is why I started another topic...
> > As soon as these two goons appear it's over with any discussion.
> Every now and then Marc appears to be capable of conversation. Then he just flips his lid and goes into gibberish as if his frontal lobes were made of cheese. Unfortunately he has verbal diarrhea and just goes off at a tangent for post after post after post talking complete nonsense.

You seem to confuse your verbal diarrhea - as evidenced by your post above - with the clear points I made regarding some things that are wrong with you. Just go on ignoring every point people make in a discussion with you... just as you do with Frank.

Explain to me in clear words what is so nonsensical about what I said... and I will try to help you think...

Thinking about my favourite composers again... I think I have to omit Schumann... I really can't say I like ihm that much more than Brahms - if at all.. I seem to have a problem with the composers after Beethoven to Schoenberg.... even with Beethoven honestly...

In article <30b20439-4306-42a2-a14f-7dcdeda58868n@googlegroups.com>,
Andy Evans <performanceandmedia@gmail.com> wrote:
>Unfortunately he has verbal diarrhea and just goes off at a tangent
>for post after post after post talking complete nonsense.

Uh, he is trying to prevent conversations. That's not "a tangent."
It's why he's here.

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 2:59:07 PM UTC-4, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 19:53:56 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > This is why I started another topic...
> > As soon as these two goons appear it's over with any discussion.
> Every now and then Marc appears to be capable of conversation. Then he just flips his lid and goes into gibberish as if his frontal lobes were made of cheese. Unfortunately he has verbal diarrhea and just goes off at a tangent for post after post after post talking complete nonsense.

The best remedy might be for everyone to cease to react to the non-productive posts, and only partake in the meaningful and substantive conversations. This is not aimed at anyone in particular. When the conversations turn personal or insulting just ignore it repeatedly. Then the dialogue will once more become more constructive.

Todd M. McComb schrieb am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 um 22:06:09 UTC+2:
> In article <30b20439-4306-42a2...@googlegroups.com>,
> Andy Evans <performan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Unfortunately he has verbal diarrhea and just goes off at a tangent
> >for post after post after post talking complete nonsense.
> Uh, he is trying to prevent conversations. That's not "a tangent."
> It's why he's here.

Not even the moshiach will be able to help you with all the shit you are making up with your lousy mind...