Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html

David N. Brown
Mesa Arizona

On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
>
> David N. Brown
> Mesa Arizona

Correction for you here - IMDB says Jolene Blalock
is playing Captain Lola Beck.

On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html

One other thing - I got lost in the last paragraph,
and it would be easier if you dropped pronouns
and referred to films ST (Starship Troopers)
and ST3 (Starship Troopers 3) all through.
In particular, is "It's good enough for a
direct-to-video prequel" about how good ST is
or ST3 - which isn't a prequel? And does "give it
a pass" mean "ST3 is worth watching" or does
it mean "I will not be reviewing ST; you don't need
my help to decide whether to watch it."

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
>>
>> David N. Brown
>> Mesa Arizona
>
>Correction for you here - IMDB says Jolene Blalock
>is playing Captain Lola Beck.

With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
<https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>

?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 1:29:16 PM UTC-7, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> > Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
> > https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
> One other thing - I got lost in the last paragraph,
> and it would be easier if you dropped pronouns
> and referred to films ST (Starship Troopers)
> and ST3 (Starship Troopers 3) all through.
> In particular, is "It's good enough for a
> direct-to-video prequel" about how good ST is
> or ST3 - which isn't a prequel? And does "give it
> a pass" mean "ST3 is worth watching" or does
> it mean "I will not be reviewing ST; you don't need
> my help to decide whether to watch it."
I looked through the post, and made a few edits. I had mixed up the names of two characters, which I had already made several corrections for before posting the review. I suppose I mentioned "prequel" rather than sequel because it's really almost as common for direct to video "franchise" movies. For the rest, I mean "pass" as in a good rating, which I bumped up in the course of writing the review. Whether I do anything with the original remains up in the air, but I usually don't do "franchise" movies unless it's sequels.

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:14:29 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> >> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
> >> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
> >>
> >> David N. Brown
> >> Mesa Arizona
> >
> >Correction for you here - IMDB says Jolene Blalock
> >is playing Captain Lola Beck.
> With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
> <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
>
> ?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
> rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
> stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
> do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
> considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"
Interesting, and maybe a bit hypocritical given the author's comments on psychic/ paranormal phenomena. Judging from the comment, he at least wasn't in lockstep with atheist writers who assumed religion would die out or fade away on its own.

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
><rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
>>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
>>>
>>> David N. Brown
>>> Mesa Arizona
>>
>>Correction for you here - IMDB says Jolene Blalock
>>is playing Captain Lola Beck.
>
>With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
><https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
>
>?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
>stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
>do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
>considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"

And I believe Jubal Harshaw noted that any religion looks silly from the outside
in SiaSL.

On 7/20/2021 7:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
>> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
>>>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
>>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
>>>>
>>>> David N. Brown
>>>> Mesa Arizona
>>>
>>> Correction for you here - IMDB says Jolene Blalock
>>> is playing Captain Lola Beck.
>>
>> With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
>> <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
>>
>> ?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
>> rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
>> stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
>> do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
>> considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"
>
> And I believe Jubal Harshaw noted that any religion looks silly from the outside
> in SiaSL.

I would not state that a character in a book by Heinlein would promote
the personal beliefs of Heinlein.

Lynn

On 7/20/2021 7:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 7/20/2021 7:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
>>> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
>>>>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a
>>>>> Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount
>>>>> of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else
>>>>> I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of
>>>>> religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This
>>>>> Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the
>>>>> depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have
>>>>> their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
>>>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David N. Brown
>>>>> Mesa Arizona
>>>>
>>>> Correction for you here - IMDB says Jolene Blalock
>>>> is playing Captain Lola Beck.
>>>
>>> With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
>>> rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
>>> stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
>>> do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
>>> considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"
>>
>> And I believe Jubal Harshaw noted that any religion looks silly from
>> the outside
>> in SiaSL.
>
> I would not state that a character in a book by Heinlein would promote
> the personal beliefs of Heinlein.
>
True of almost all authors.

--
Troll, troll, troll your post gently down the thread
Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.

In article <KTJJI.22287$Nq7.3673@fx33.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
>><rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
>>>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a
>Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of
>commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be
>interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I
>haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work
>has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion
>than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the
>author, book or movies?
>>>>
>https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
>>>>
>>>> David N. Brown
>>>> Mesa Arizona
>>>
>>>Correction for you here - IMDB says Jolene Blalock
>>>is playing Captain Lola Beck.
>>
>>With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
>><https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
>>
>>?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
>>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
>>stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
>>do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
>>considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"
>
>And I believe Jubal Harshaw noted that any religion looks silly from the outside
>in SiaSL.

As does any plot summary.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 03:46:38 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 7/20/2021 7:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
> >> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> >>>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories.. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
> >>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
> >>>>
> >>>> David N. Brown
> >>>> Mesa Arizona
> >>>
> >>> Correction for you here - IMDB says Jolene Blalock
> >>> is playing Captain Lola Beck.
> >>
> >> With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
> >> <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
> >>
> >> ?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
> >> rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
> >> stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
> >> do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
> >> considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"
> >
> > And I believe Jubal Harshaw noted that any religion looks silly from the outside
> > in SiaSL.
> I would not state that a character in a book by Heinlein would promote
> the personal beliefs of Heinlein.

But long speeches in fiction are liable to be personal
to the author.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:25:06 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel. I included a fair amount of commentary about the book and the first movie. Something else I'd be interested in feedback about is Heinlein's handling of religion. I haven't read a lot of his work, but besides "If This Goes On-", his work has struck me as more open and positive in the depiction of religion than many "Golden Age" stories. Anyone have their own thoughts on the author, book or movies?
>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2021/07/featured-creature-one-where-giant-bug.html
>
>One other thing - I got lost in the last paragraph,
>and it would be easier if you dropped pronouns
>and referred to films ST (Starship Troopers)
>and ST3 (Starship Troopers 3) all through.
>In particular, is "It's good enough for a
>direct-to-video prequel" about how good ST is
>or ST3 - which isn't a prequel? And does "give it
>a pass" mean "ST3 is worth watching" or does
>it mean "I will not be reviewing ST; you don't need
>my help to decide whether to watch it."

Actually, "SST" might be better than "ST".

You know, to avoid confusing any Trekkies who happen to read it.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:32:51 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:

> Actually, "SST" might be better than "ST".
>
> You know, to avoid confusing any Trekkies who happen to read it.

Not really, because then you confuse everyone else.

An SST is an airplane that flies faster than the speed of sound.

John Savard

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 07:00:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:32:51 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
>
>> Actually, "SST" might be better than "ST".
>>
>> You know, to avoid confusing any Trekkies who happen to read it.
>
>Not really, because then you confuse everyone else.
>
>An SST is an airplane that flies faster than the speed of sound.

True.

But the context is /fiction/, not /airplane models/.

So I don't think a lot of people would be confused by

>> One other thing - I got lost in the last paragraph,
>> and it would be easier if you dropped pronouns
>> and referred to films SST (Starship Troopers)
>> and SST3 (Starship Troopers 3) all through.
>> In particular, is "It's good enough for a
>> direct-to-video prequel" about how good SST is
>> or SST3 - which isn't a prequel? And does "give it
>> a pass" mean "SST3 is worth watching" or does
>> it mean "I will not be reviewing SST; you don't need
>> my help to decide whether to watch it."

Of course, since "ST" and "ST3" are both defined when first used, this
might not be a problem ... if the reader remembers the definitions
from that point on.

But it's just a thought.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:25:06 AM UTC-6, David Brown wrote:
> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel.

Of course, the original Starship Troopers movie had very little to do
with Heinlein.

Heinlein clarified in his non-fiction writing that he did not _advocate_
the kind of society presented in Starship Troopers; he preferred
democracy, but he did feel it was a valid fallback position if
democracy proved unsustainable.

In the book, we are shown that while the society in which military
service was a precondition to the franchise might not be democratic,
there were safeguards to allow everyone an opportunity to enlist.

The movie, on the other hand, took the position that the society
depicted was facist and bad, period. Although that is more borne
out in comments by those who made the movie; the movie itself
was... an entertaining action movie, and little more.

John Savard

In article <341c36e7-cb54-4103-8dc0-7506b93d117dn@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:25:06 AM UTC-6, David Brown wrote:
>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a
>Starship Troopers direct to video sequel.
>
>Of course, the original Starship Troopers movie had very little to do
>with Heinlein.
>
>Heinlein clarified in his non-fiction writing that he did not _advocate_
>the kind of society presented in Starship Troopers; he preferred
>democracy, but he did feel it was a valid fallback position if
>democracy proved unsustainable.

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in
this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is
perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government except all those other forms that
have been tried from time to time."
--Sir Winston Churchill, _Hansard_, November 11, 1947

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:25:06 AM UTC-6, David Brown wrote:
>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel.
>
>Of course, the original Starship Troopers movie had very little to do
>with Heinlein.
>
>Heinlein clarified in his non-fiction writing that he did not _advocate_
>the kind of society presented in Starship Troopers; he preferred
>democracy, but he did feel it was a valid fallback position if
>democracy proved unsustainable.
>
>In the book, we are shown that while the society in which military
>service was a precondition to the franchise might not be democratic,
>there were safeguards to allow everyone an opportunity to enlist.
>
>The movie, on the other hand, took the position that the society
>depicted was facist and bad, period. Although that is more borne
>out in comments by those who made the movie; the movie itself
>was... an entertaining action movie, and little more.

IIRC, I have read/heard in a special feature that it was intended to
be an anti-war film, with the opening sequence explicitly based on
Nazi propaganda films.

The movie was ... not that good, actually. I would say it was a "war
film". I would not say it was "entertaining". IMHO, of course.

Then again, when I reread the book a while back, I was surprised by
how little of it the stuff I remembered actually occupied.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> writes:
>On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>>
>>The movie, on the other hand, took the position that the society
>>depicted was facist and bad, period. Although that is more borne
>>out in comments by those who made the movie; the movie itself
>>was... an entertaining action movie, and little more.
>
>IIRC, I have read/heard in a special feature that it was intended to
>be an anti-war film, with the opening sequence explicitly based on
>Nazi propaganda films.
>
>The movie was ... not that good, actually. I would say it was a "war
>film". I would not say it was "entertaining". IMHO, of course.

Wasn't that the one where the high point was the Denise Richards
shower scene?

https://ew.com/movies/2017/11/07/starship-troopers-shower-scene-fascism/

In article <N3CKI.7894$Pn7.7781@fx16.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>The movie, on the other hand, took the position that the society
>>>depicted was facist and bad, period. Although that is more borne
>>>out in comments by those who made the movie; the movie itself
>>>was... an entertaining action movie, and little more.
>>
>>IIRC, I have read/heard in a special feature that it was intended to
>>be an anti-war film, with the opening sequence explicitly based on
>>Nazi propaganda films.
>>
>>The movie was ... not that good, actually. I would say it was a "war
>>film". I would not say it was "entertaining". IMHO, of course.
>
>Wasn't that the one where the high point was the Denise Richards
>shower scene?
>
>https://ew.com/movies/2017/11/07/starship-troopers-shower-scene-fascism/

That was a nice scene. You got nice eye-candy, and it also made the point
that these people were not 20th century Americans.

I found the movie entertaining -- it had nothing to do with the book,
but was OK for what it was.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:25:06 AM UTC-6, David Brown wrote:
>> Here's something I decided was worth posting here, a review of a Starship Troopers direct to video sequel.
>
>Of course, the original Starship Troopers movie had very little to do
>with Heinlein.
>
>Heinlein clarified in his non-fiction writing that he did not _advocate_
>the kind of society presented in Starship Troopers; he preferred
>democracy, but he did feel it was a valid fallback position if
>democracy proved unsustainable.
>
>In the book, we are shown that while the society in which military
>service was a precondition to the franchise

Rico mentions two non-military options, neither of which appealed to
him: terraforming and being a laboratory guinea pig.

>might not be democratic,
>there were safeguards to allow everyone an opportunity to enlist.
>
>The movie, on the other hand, took the position that the society
>depicted was facist and bad, period. Although that is more borne
>out in comments by those who made the movie; the movie itself
>was... an entertaining action movie, and little more.
>
>John Savard

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 10:25:21 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> Wasn't that the one where the high point was the Denise Richards
> shower scene?

Yes.

John Savard

On 7/23/2021 9:25 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> writes:
>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The movie, on the other hand, took the position that the society
>>> depicted was facist and bad, period. Although that is more borne
>>> out in comments by those who made the movie; the movie itself
>>> was... an entertaining action movie, and little more.
>>
>> IIRC, I have read/heard in a special feature that it was intended to
>> be an anti-war film, with the opening sequence explicitly based on
>> Nazi propaganda films.
>>
>> The movie was ... not that good, actually. I would say it was a "war
>> film". I would not say it was "entertaining". IMHO, of course.
>
> Wasn't that the one where the high point was the Denise Richards
> shower scene?
>
> https://ew.com/movies/2017/11/07/starship-troopers-shower-scene-fascism/
>
Dina Meyer, not Denise Richards.

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:25:17 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
>>wrote:
>
>
>>>The movie, on the other hand, took the position that the society
>>>depicted was facist and bad, period. Although that is more borne out in
>>>comments by those who made the movie; the movie itself was... an
>>>entertaining action movie, and little more.
>>
>>IIRC, I have read/heard in a special feature that it was intended to be
>>an anti-war film, with the opening sequence explicitly based on Nazi
>>propaganda films.
>>
>>The movie was ... not that good, actually. I would say it was a "war
>>film". I would not say it was "entertaining". IMHO, of course.
>
> Wasn't that the one where the high point was the Denise Richards shower
> scene?
>
> https://ew.com/movies/2017/11/07/starship-troopers-shower-scene-fascism/

Doogie Howser as an SS officer was funny as well.

On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 11:13:49 AM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/23/2021 9:25 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > Paul S Person <pspe...@ix.netcom.invalid> writes:
> >> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> The movie, on the other hand, took the position that the society
> >>> depicted was facist and bad, period. Although that is more borne
> >>> out in comments by those who made the movie; the movie itself
> >>> was... an entertaining action movie, and little more.
> >>
> >> IIRC, I have read/heard in a special feature that it was intended to
> >> be an anti-war film, with the opening sequence explicitly based on
> >> Nazi propaganda films.
> >>
> >> The movie was ... not that good, actually. I would say it was a "war
> >> film". I would not say it was "entertaining". IMHO, of course.
> >
> > Wasn't that the one where the high point was the Denise Richards
> > shower scene?
> >
> > https://ew.com/movies/2017/11/07/starship-troopers-shower-scene-fascism/
> >
> Dina Meyer, not Denise Richards.
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Correct, Richards wasn't in any of the sex/ nudity scenes. It got me wondering if people have been mixing up this one with Verhoeven's Showgirls. That one didn't have Denise Richards at all as far as I know, but did star Elizabeth Berkley, and both actresses had previously appeared in Saved By The Bell.

On 23 Jul 2021 16:53:57 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
<tednolan>) wrote:

>In article <N3CKI.7894$Pn7.7781@fx16.iad>,
>Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>>On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>The movie, on the other hand, took the position that the society
>>>>depicted was facist and bad, period. Although that is more borne
>>>>out in comments by those who made the movie; the movie itself
>>>>was... an entertaining action movie, and little more.
>>>
>>>IIRC, I have read/heard in a special feature that it was intended to
>>>be an anti-war film, with the opening sequence explicitly based on
>>>Nazi propaganda films.
>>>
>>>The movie was ... not that good, actually. I would say it was a "war
>>>film". I would not say it was "entertaining". IMHO, of course.
>>
>>Wasn't that the one where the high point was the Denise Richards
>>shower scene?
>>
>>https://ew.com/movies/2017/11/07/starship-troopers-shower-scene-fascism/
>
>That was a nice scene. You got nice eye-candy, and it also made the point
>that these people were not 20th century Americans.
>
>I found the movie entertaining -- it had nothing to do with the book,
>but was OK for what it was.

It wasn't NOTHING to do with the book; there were three or four
scenes, even a couple of lines of dialogue, that were taken from the
book. They were presented sarcastically, but they were from the book.

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