On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:10:35 AM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
> On 27 Jul 2021 17:04:37 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
> <tednolan>) wrote:
>
> >In article <28cd12e1-f56d-4071...@googlegroups.com>,
> >Jack Bohn <jack....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Paul S Person wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 16:22:48 -0400, J. Clarke
> >>> <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 09:03:52 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> At least he didn't have to sue after it came out, as Heinlein did with
> >>> >>> /The Thing/.
> >>> >
> >>> >What was Heinlein's interest in "The Thing"?
> >>> I'm sorry.
> >>>
> >>> It was Campbell who had to sue after-the-fact.
> >>>
> >>> Well, maybe.
> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_from_Another_World> says
> >>> nothing about this.
> >>
> >>The only even secondhand account I can put my hand on is illustrator
> >>Vincent Di Fate, who got to have meetings with Campbell. Campbell
> >>brought up "Who Goes There?" as part of a point he was making, Di Fate
> >>asked his opinion on the movie, which was mostly regret that it lost the
> >>most important idea of the story. Now that was just hearsay, and may
> >>have missed nuances of talking around a complex reality, but there was
> >>no mention of lawsuit.
> >>
> >>(Ray Bradbury did respond to his stories being plagiarized into comics
> >>form, but in a low-key manner:
> >>https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-146/
> >>which seems in accord with his "Beast from 20,000 Fathoms" response.)
> >>
> >
> >"Dark Star" clearly plagiarized Bradbury's "Kaleidoscope" and as far as
> >I can tell, there's still no official acknowledgement of it.
> First, the film is a satire. This (IIRC) is a "reasonable use"
> exception to copyright (note: IANAL).
>
> Second, the ending may be similar, but what about the rest of the
> film?
>
> Third, when, exactly, do they get "millions of miles" away from each
> other?
>
> OK, one of them joins the Phoenix Asteroids, but another is sent forth
> in a block of ice, and one surfs down into the atmosphere of a planet.

"I've got a piece of junk, and I think I've figured out a way!"

Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist

In article <5kiefghbrna0cercftclgejtou31p7j070@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
><https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
>
>?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
>stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
>do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
>considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"

Is that a Heinlen Direct quote or a Lazarus Long Notebook
quote? It makes a difference... Heinlein may not completely
have shared every opinion of every one of his characters.
Not even his heros.

Though it does seem like a plausible Heinlein quote.

I wonder to what extent he included himself in "most people"
here? In "Tramp Royale", he recounted how he told someone
in some country he visited that he an Ginny were Methodists.

His belives were certainly nowhere near anything orthodox,
as near as I can tell, even by the most liberal Methodist
standards.

--
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mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:53:46 -0000 (UTC), mvp@shell.calweb.com (Mike
Van Pelt) wrote:

>In article <5kiefghbrna0cercftclgejtou31p7j070@4ax.com>,
>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
>><https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
>>
>>?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
>>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
>>stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
>>do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
>>considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"
>
>Is that a Heinlen Direct quote or a Lazarus Long Notebook
>quote? It makes a difference... Heinlein may not completely
>have shared every opinion of every one of his characters.
>Not even his heros.

I don't recall the exact source but I believe it was one of his
"History and Moral Philosophy" professors or other character in a
similar role.

>Though it does seem like a plausible Heinlein quote.
>
>I wonder to what extent he included himself in "most people"
>here? In "Tramp Royale", he recounted how he told someone
>in some country he visited that he an Ginny were Methodists.
>
>His belives were certainly nowhere near anything orthodox,
>as near as I can tell, even by the most liberal Methodist
>standards.

There are a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses who I am pretty sure think I
am an Islamic terrorist. Sometimes the easiest way to get people to
STFU is to tell them what they want to hear.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:14:38 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:53:46 -0000 (UTC), mvp@shell.calweb.com (Mike
>Van Pelt) wrote:
>
>>In article <5kiefghbrna0cercftclgejtou31p7j070@4ax.com>,
>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
>>><https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
>>>
>>>?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
>>>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
>>>stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
>>>do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
>>>considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"
>>
>>Is that a Heinlen Direct quote or a Lazarus Long Notebook
>>quote? It makes a difference... Heinlein may not completely
>>have shared every opinion of every one of his characters.
>>Not even his heros.
>
>I don't recall the exact source but I believe it was one of his
>"History and Moral Philosophy" professors or other character in a
>similar role.
>
>>Though it does seem like a plausible Heinlein quote.
>>
>>I wonder to what extent he included himself in "most people"
>>here? In "Tramp Royale", he recounted how he told someone
>>in some country he visited that he an Ginny were Methodists.
>>
>>His belives were certainly nowhere near anything orthodox,
>>as near as I can tell, even by the most liberal Methodist
>>standards.
>
>There are a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses who I am pretty sure think I
>am an Islamic terrorist. Sometimes the easiest way to get people to
>STFU is to tell them what they want to hear.

However in the case of the witlesses, scaring the crap out of them
worked.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:53:46 -0000 (UTC), m...@shell.calweb.com (Mike
> Van Pelt) wrote:
>
> >In article <5kiefghbrna0cercf...@4ax.com>,
> >J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>With regard to Heinlein's attitude toward religion:
> >><https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/125769-history-does-not-record-anywhere-at-any-time-a-religion>
> >>
> >>?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
> >>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
> >>stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
> >>do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
> >>considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"
> >
> >Is that a Heinlen Direct quote or a Lazarus Long Notebook
> >quote? It makes a difference... Heinlein may not completely
> >have shared every opinion of every one of his characters.
> >Not even his heros.
> I don't recall the exact source but I believe it was one of his
> "History and Moral Philosophy" professors or other character in a
> similar role.
> >Though it does seem like a plausible Heinlein quote.

It's Lazarus Long. I'm certain enough to not check, but I'm sure.

Pt

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:52:35 PM UTC-6, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > >>?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
> > >>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
> > >>stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
> > >>do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
> > >>considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"

> It's Lazarus Long. I'm certain enough to not check, but I'm sure.

It certainly sounds like him to me. The dandruff part would not be in a
Heinlein direct quote.

John Savard

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:52:38 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:52:35 PM UTC-6, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
> > > >>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
> > > >>stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
> > > >>do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
> > > >>considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"

> > It's Lazarus Long. I'm certain enough to not check, but I'm sure.

> It certainly sounds like him to me. The dandruff part would not be in a
> Heinlein direct quote.

However, to satisfy others, I used Google Books to check - and the quote is
in Time Enough for Love, and also The Notebooks of Lazarus Long.

John Savard

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 1:55:25 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:52:38 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:52:35 PM UTC-6, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > >>?"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any
> > > > >>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
> > > > >>stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people
> > > > >>do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
> > > > >>considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.?"
>
> > > It's Lazarus Long. I'm certain enough to not check, but I'm sure.
>
> > It certainly sounds like him to me. The dandruff part would not be in a
> > Heinlein direct quote.
> However, to satisfy others, I used Google Books to check - and the quote is
> in Time Enough for Love, and also The Notebooks of Lazarus Long.

The Notebooks are excerpts from TEFL.

Pt