On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 2:19:16 AM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
> On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 12:49:35 PM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:56:09 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn
> > > <jack....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Among the things Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > > >> On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 08:10:01 UTC, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> > > >> > Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> schrieb:
> > > >> > > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 20:00:28 UTC, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > >> Holograms are the most misunderstood concept in science fiction,
> > > >> > >> bar none. They are _not_ solid, and it is not possible to project
> > > >> > >> one into thin air so it is visible from the side.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I expect that's why the smoke.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Possibly...
> > > >> I'm hazy on this subject but I think that strictly
> > > >> a "hologram" is a particular type of visible effect -
> > > >> I avoid saying illusion - a sort of photograph where
> > > >> each point contains the entire image, somehow, maybe.
> > > >> It's not (probably) any general three-dimensional
> > > >> representation. That's a stereogram, which I thought
> > > >> was a type of record player.
> > > >
> > > >An article once explained stereoscopy as coming from the ancient Greek "solid sight." "So now, if an ancient Greek says to you, 'Man, she was a solid sight!' you will know what he means: she was three-dimensional."
> > > >
> > > >Stereophonics began with two speakers, to fool the two ears, but I think the current 5.1 speaker setup is still called stereo.
> > >
> > > So far as I am concernted, it also /ends/ with two speakers.
> > >
> > > Anything else is called "abomination". Or, when I am in a more relaxed
> > > mood, "highly advanced" or some similar bit of satirical speech.
> > You're something of a Platonist, aren't you? Theory of Abstract Objects,
> > and all that?
> >
> > Words, especially new words referencing a rapidly evolving field,
> > change their used meaning all the time, often to the chagrin of
> > people already accustomed to an older meaning. Consider 'hacker' and
> > 'crypto'.
> >
> > The is nothing in the etymology of 'stereophonic' that restricts it to
> > systems with exactly two speakers.
> >
> >
> ...or to "systems."
>
> https://youtu.be/SzBJQnD7TRM

I like this song from 'Silk Stockings':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7VLn2NexBg

Paul might like to look into 'binaural' recordings. They are made
using exactly two microphones, placed either on a live person,
over their ears, or on a dummy head.

The recordings are listened to using headphones, and capture the
way sound bends around your head - you get a lot more directional
cues, and if the recorder turns his/her head, it can be quite disorientating.

pt

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:33:35 -0700 (PDT), "pete...@gmail.com"
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 2:19:16 AM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 12:49:35 PM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>> > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:56:09 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn
>> > > <jack....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Among the things Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> > > >> On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 08:10:01 UTC, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>> > > >> > Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> schrieb:
>> > > >> > > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 20:00:28 UTC, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> > >> Holograms are the most misunderstood concept in science fiction,
>> > > >> > >> bar none. They are _not_ solid, and it is not possible to project
>> > > >> > >> one into thin air so it is visible from the side.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > I expect that's why the smoke.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Possibly...
>> > > >> I'm hazy on this subject but I think that strictly
>> > > >> a "hologram" is a particular type of visible effect -
>> > > >> I avoid saying illusion - a sort of photograph where
>> > > >> each point contains the entire image, somehow, maybe.
>> > > >> It's not (probably) any general three-dimensional
>> > > >> representation. That's a stereogram, which I thought
>> > > >> was a type of record player.
>> > > >
>> > > >An article once explained stereoscopy as coming from the ancient Greek "solid sight." "So now, if an ancient Greek says to you, 'Man, she was a solid sight!' you will know what he means: she was three-dimensional."
>> > > >
>> > > >Stereophonics began with two speakers, to fool the two ears, but I think the current 5.1 speaker setup is still called stereo.
>> > >
>> > > So far as I am concernted, it also /ends/ with two speakers.
>> > >
>> > > Anything else is called "abomination". Or, when I am in a more relaxed
>> > > mood, "highly advanced" or some similar bit of satirical speech.
>> > You're something of a Platonist, aren't you? Theory of Abstract Objects,
>> > and all that?
>> >
>> > Words, especially new words referencing a rapidly evolving field,
>> > change their used meaning all the time, often to the chagrin of
>> > people already accustomed to an older meaning. Consider 'hacker' and
>> > 'crypto'.
>> >
>> > The is nothing in the etymology of 'stereophonic' that restricts it to
>> > systems with exactly two speakers.
>> >
>> >
>> ...or to "systems."
>>
>> https://youtu.be/SzBJQnD7TRM
>
>I like this song from 'Silk Stockings':
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7VLn2NexBg
>
>Paul might like to look into 'binaural' recordings. They are made
>using exactly two microphones, placed either on a live person,
>over their ears, or on a dummy head.
>
>The recordings are listened to using headphones, and capture the
>way sound bends around your head - you get a lot more directional
>cues, and if the recorder turns his/her head, it can be quite disorientating.
>
>pt

Somewhere I've got a tape of examples of these called "Holophonics":
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holophonics>

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

On 30/03/22 18:51, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> schrieb:
>>
>> On 30/03/22 12:49, Kevrob wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:38:17 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>>>>> On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 19:42:56 UTC, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure multiple movies from at least 20 years ago have had
>>>>>> scenes involving someone being deliberately pushed off the platform onto
>>>>>> the tracks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I gather the remedy is a passenger platform with walls
>>>>> and sliding doors. When a train arrives behind the wall,
>>>>> it stops with the train doors congruent with the doors
>>>>> on the platform, and all doors are opened.
>>>> That's how most of the automated inter-terminal trains work
>>>> at the large airports, such as DIA or ORD.
>>>
>>> Also: the tram between Manhattan and Roosevelt Islands in
>>> the borough/county of New York.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8VMvUdlyVE&ab_channel=ActionKid
>>>
>>
>> If I was a character in a novel attempting to escape from another
>> character in that same novel who was pursuing me with malodorous intent,
>
> With badly-smelling intent? Does that other character have some
> amines or mercaptanes in his posession and intents to throw it
> at the first character? I would seek open spaces, then.

You snipped the part of my post where I explain how to escape to open
spaces rather than being confined in the carriage with Stinkbombicus.

START of snippage unsnippaged.
"I could board your Roosevelt Island tram and run out the other side
before it closed because the video shows that not all doors are opened
when the train stops and that the exit doors do not close until shortly
after the entrance doors open. But, who cares?

> I've never been attacked by the Green Goblin going to visit my sisters.
>

I'm familiar with neither and have no idea why the Green Goblin would
visit your sisters and attack you while doing so."
END of snippage unsnippaged.

Your question appears to have distracted the finer minds in the group
from concentrating on the key issue, "For what purpose was the Green
Goblin visiting Kevrob's sisters and is this adequately explained in the
1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicting Vladimir Putin?"

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 17:39:26 +0100, Jerry Brown
<jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:33:35 -0700 (PDT), "pete...@gmail.com"
><petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 2:19:16 AM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 12:49:35 PM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:56:09 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn
>>> > > <jack....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > >Among the things Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>> > > >> On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 08:10:01 UTC, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> > > >> > Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> schrieb:
>>> > > >> > > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 20:00:28 UTC, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> > >> Holograms are the most misunderstood concept in science fiction,
>>> > > >> > >> bar none. They are _not_ solid, and it is not possible to project
>>> > > >> > >> one into thin air so it is visible from the side.
>>> > > >> > >
>>> > > >> > > I expect that's why the smoke.
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > Possibly...
>>> > > >> I'm hazy on this subject but I think that strictly
>>> > > >> a "hologram" is a particular type of visible effect -
>>> > > >> I avoid saying illusion - a sort of photograph where
>>> > > >> each point contains the entire image, somehow, maybe.
>>> > > >> It's not (probably) any general three-dimensional
>>> > > >> representation. That's a stereogram, which I thought
>>> > > >> was a type of record player.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >An article once explained stereoscopy as coming from the ancient Greek "solid sight." "So now, if an ancient Greek says to you, 'Man, she was a solid sight!' you will know what he means: she was three-dimensional."
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Stereophonics began with two speakers, to fool the two ears, but I think the current 5.1 speaker setup is still called stereo.
>>> > >
>>> > > So far as I am concernted, it also /ends/ with two speakers.
>>> > >
>>> > > Anything else is called "abomination". Or, when I am in a more relaxed
>>> > > mood, "highly advanced" or some similar bit of satirical speech.
>>> > You're something of a Platonist, aren't you? Theory of Abstract Objects,
>>> > and all that?
>>> >
>>> > Words, especially new words referencing a rapidly evolving field,
>>> > change their used meaning all the time, often to the chagrin of
>>> > people already accustomed to an older meaning. Consider 'hacker' and
>>> > 'crypto'.
>>> >
>>> > The is nothing in the etymology of 'stereophonic' that restricts it to
>>> > systems with exactly two speakers.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ...or to "systems."
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/SzBJQnD7TRM
>>
>>I like this song from 'Silk Stockings':
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7VLn2NexBg
>>
>>Paul might like to look into 'binaural' recordings. They are made
>>using exactly two microphones, placed either on a live person,
>>over their ears, or on a dummy head.
>>
>>The recordings are listened to using headphones, and capture the
>>way sound bends around your head - you get a lot more directional
>>cues, and if the recorder turns his/her head, it can be quite disorientating.
>>
>>pt
>
>Somewhere I've got a tape of examples of these called "Holophonics":
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holophonics>

At least one of the DVDs I own has an allegedly-special feature on
this sort of thing.

IIRC, the idea is to record exactly what you would hear in the
theater.

No DVDs/BDs I own offer it as an option.

And, for me (not, apparently, for others) headphones promote ear wax
to the point where I can't hear any more. Until it is popped out, of
course.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Among the things Paul S Person wrote:

> And, for me (not, apparently, for others) headphones promote ear wax
> to the point where I can't hear any more. Until it is popped out, of
> course.

Vocabulary check, again. I would probably consider "earphone" a generic term for speakers in close proximity to your ears. Are "headphones" the ones with a big band that goes over your head to hold heavy speakers over your ears? ("Earbuds" are, of course, the small, bud-shaped speakers you plant deep within the ear.) I work in a loud environment and have worn earplugs to keep the sound out hours a day for decades. I've wondered about earwax, but since I haven't had to pop any out, I guess it isn't a problem for me. We are allowed to listen to one earbud, to keep situational awareness with the other ear, but I haven't always been able to get a good enough seal to keep outside noise as low as with an earplug. I finally got a set of bone conduction speakers, and keep both plugs in (and hear both parts of a stereo recording).

--
-Jack

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 12:00:16 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn
<jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

>Among the things Paul S Person wrote:
<re-inserted to provice context>
>>>The recordings are listened to using headphones, and capture the
>>>way sound bends around your head - you get a lot more directional
>>>cues, and if the recorder turns his/her head, it can be quite disorientating.
>>>
>
>> And, for me (not, apparently, for others) headphones promote ear wax
>> to the point where I can't hear any more. Until it is popped out, of
>> course.
>
>Vocabulary check, again. I would probably consider "earphone" a generic term for speakers in close proximity to your ears. Are "headphones" the ones with a big band that goes over your head to hold heavy speakers over your ears? ("Earbuds" are, of course, the small, bud-shaped speakers you plant deep within the ear.) I work in a loud environment and have worn earplugs to keep the sound out hours a day for decades. I've wondered about earwax, but since I haven't had to pop any out, I guess it isn't a problem for me. We are allowed to listen to one earbud, to keep situational awareness with the other ear, but I haven't always been able to get a good enough seal to keep outside noise as low as with an earplug. I finally got a set of bone conduction speakers, and keep both plugs in (and hear both parts of a stereo recording).

I've never used "earphone"; however, Bing suggests that it can be used
as you indicate. Which would make sense as a general term.

I may or may not have used "earbud", as "earplug" is more familiar to
me. But "earbud" is certainly a commonly-understood term today.

And, trust me on this, if wearing headphones (or anything else) gave
you earwax like headphones gave /me/ earwax, you would notice it!

BTW, my /last/ bout (caused by a late summer cold of some sort)
demonstrated clearly that earwax may block sound, but it doesn't block
tinnitus.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."