On 4/19/2022 5:48 PM, Wolffan wrote:
> On 19 Apr 2022, Michael F. Stemper wrote
> (in article <t3meu8$f91$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 19/04/2022 07.49, Wolffan wrote:
>>> On 18 Apr 2022, Lynn McGuire wrote
>>> (in article <t3kubh$t8e$1@dont-email.me>):
>>
>>>> "Mutineer's Moon (Dahak Series)" by David Weber
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
>>>
>>> warning, warning, warning! Weber tends to have problems with biology (and
>>> physics...) but this series was the poster child for bad biology (and worse
>>> physics) as it postulated that humans were really aliens, unrelated to any
>>> other species on Earth. Including the other hominids, such as chimps,
>>> bonobos, and gorillas.
>>
>> Hey, it worked for Niven in Known Space!
>
> more bad biology. A lot of ‘hard’ SF has bad biology. Ben Bova had an
> editorial in Analog about that.
>
Well that's 'cause biology is the soft science! :P

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
> On 18 Apr 2022, Lynn McGuire wrote
> (in article <t3kubh$t8e$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 4/18/2022 4:57 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
>> > All,
>> >
>> > One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_. The
>> > plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to mention
>> > time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and shaping humanity
>> > in the process.
>> >
>> > I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more stories like
>> > that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>>
>> Good book, here are a few that are close but not the same.
>>
>> "Mutineer's Moon (Dahak Series)" by David Weber
>> https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
>
> warning, warning, warning! Weber tends to have problems with biology (and
> physics...) but this series was the poster child for bad biology (and worse
> physics) as it postulated that humans were really aliens, unrelated to any
> other species on Earth. Including the other hominids, such as chimps,
> bonobos, and gorillas. Hint: we’re pretty damn closely related to all
> three. (As for the physics... the Moon is an alien battleship. Really. And
> the good guys later collect a whole bunch of similarly sized alien
> battleships, and build some themselves, so economics is something else that
> Weber has problems with.)

Not only that.

There's a huuuuge fleet of evil aliens trying to destroy everything
else. Summing up the total volume, the moon-shaped ships of the Good
Guys are actually bigger.

But of course, if your main ship is the diameter of the Moon, the
largest auxiliary ships is a factor of ~ 1000 smaller (linear scale,
so around a billion or so in volume).

Still good for a laugh, though.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:10:28 AM UTC-4, staffor...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > On 4/18/2022 4:57 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_. The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and shaping humanity in the process.
> > >
> > > I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > Good book, here are a few that are close but not the same.
> >
> > "Mutineer's Moon (Dahak Series)" by David Weber
> > https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
> >
> > "Altered Carbon (Takeshi Kovacs)" by Richard Morgan
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/Altered-Carbon-Takeshi-Kovacs-Richard/dp/0345457684/
> >
> > "The Apocalypse Troll" by David Weber
> > https://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Troll-David-Weber/dp/1982125128/
> >
> > "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi
> > https://www.amazon.com/Old-Mans-War-John-Scalzi/dp/0765348276/
> >
> > "We Are Legion (We Are Bob) (Bobiverse)" by Dennis Taylor
> > https://www.amazon.com/We-Are-Legion-Bob-Bobiverse/dp/1680680587/
> >
> > Lynn
> As usual you guys rise to the challenge, but I not getting the notifications when my conversations receive posts as I used to. I have not changed my settings.
>
> Has there been a recent change in GoogleGroups policies or the policies of this group?
>
> Regards

Try adding rasfw to your favorite groups. When you check USENET through GG,
and open the group, threads that have recent unviewed activity will be listed in
bold. I find that less annoying then getting individual notifications in my email.

--
Kevin R

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 5:33:41 PM UTC-5, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> schrieb:
> > On 18 Apr 2022, Lynn McGuire wrote
> > (in article <t3kubh$t8e$1...@dont-email.me>):
> >
> >> On 4/18/2022 4:57 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_.. The
> >> > plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to mention
> >> > time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and shaping humanity
> >> > in the process.
> >> >
> >> > I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more stories like
> >> > that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >>
> >> Good book, here are a few that are close but not the same.
> >>
> >> "Mutineer's Moon (Dahak Series)" by David Weber
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
> >
> > warning, warning, warning! Weber tends to have problems with biology (and
> > physics...) but this series was the poster child for bad biology (and worse
> > physics) as it postulated that humans were really aliens, unrelated to any
> > other species on Earth. Including the other hominids, such as chimps,
> > bonobos, and gorillas. Hint: we’re pretty damn closely related to all
> > three. (As for the physics... the Moon is an alien battleship. Really. And
> > the good guys later collect a whole bunch of similarly sized alien
> > battleships, and build some themselves, so economics is something else that
> > Weber has problems with.)
> Not only that.
>
> There's a huuuuge fleet of evil aliens trying to destroy everything
> else. Summing up the total volume, the moon-shaped ships of the Good
> Guys are actually bigger.
>
> But of course, if your main ship is the diameter of the Moon, the
> largest auxiliary ships is a factor of ~ 1000 smaller (linear scale,
> so around a billion or so in volume).
>
> Still good for a laugh, though.
Interestingly since I mentioned that I did not get posts in my mail, I started getting them. I thought that a moderator has done something. If so, thanks. If not, serendipity.

Regards

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 12:22:42 AM UTC-5, staffor...@gmail.com wrote:

> Interestingly since I mentioned that I did not get posts in my mail, I started getting them. I thought that a moderator has done something. If so, thanks. If not, serendipity.

This is a usenet group, not a Google one. There are no moderators and certainly no one concerned about the GG interface.

Brian

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 12:32:35 AM UTC-5, Default User wrote:
> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 12:22:42 AM UTC-5, staffor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Interestingly since I mentioned that I did not get posts in my mail, I started getting them. I thought that a moderator has done something. If so, thanks. If not, serendipity.
> This is a usenet group, not a Google one. There are no moderators and certainly no one concerned about the GG interface.
>
> Brian
Thanks for the clarification. Even so, I am getting them now and I wasn't getting them before yesterday.

Regard

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 12:10:41 AM UTC-5, Kevrob wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:10:28 AM UTC-4, staffor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > > On 4/18/2022 4:57 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_. The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and shaping humanity in the process.
> > > >
> > > > I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > Good book, here are a few that are close but not the same.
> > >
> > > "Mutineer's Moon (Dahak Series)" by David Weber
> > > https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
> > >
> > > "Altered Carbon (Takeshi Kovacs)" by Richard Morgan
> > >
> > > https://www.amazon.com/Altered-Carbon-Takeshi-Kovacs-Richard/dp/0345457684/
> > >
> > > "The Apocalypse Troll" by David Weber
> > > https://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Troll-David-Weber/dp/1982125128/
> > >
> > > "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi
> > > https://www.amazon.com/Old-Mans-War-John-Scalzi/dp/0765348276/
> > >
> > > "We Are Legion (We Are Bob) (Bobiverse)" by Dennis Taylor
> > > https://www.amazon.com/We-Are-Legion-Bob-Bobiverse/dp/1680680587/
> > >
> > > Lynn
> > As usual you guys rise to the challenge, but I not getting the notifications when my conversations receive posts as I used to. I have not changed my settings.
> >
> > Has there been a recent change in GoogleGroups policies or the policies of this group?
> >
> > Regards
> Try adding rasfw to your favorite groups. When you check USENET through GG,
> and open the group, threads that have recent unviewed activity will be listed in
> bold. I find that less annoying then getting individual notifications in my email.
>
> --
> Kevin R

Thanks for helping. It seems to be working fine now, but not from anything I did..

Regards

On 2022-04-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/19/2022 7:49 AM, Wolffan wrote:
>> more really bad Weber biology. And time travel. And a ‘fighter’
>> spacecraft which masses 10,000 tons, revealing truly bad economics. (How in
>> Christ Jesus’s name can anyone, even an interstellar federation, afford to
>> build ’thousands’ of those things?)

> Oh my goodness, here we go again. Any book / story with FTL in it has
> handwavium in it. Period. Get over it.
>
> And Mutineer's Moon has a million planetoid (2,000 km to 3,000 km
> diameter) sized spaceships in it to defend themselves against an
> invasive species with very high iron blood. But the 5,000 inhabited
> planets could not build the million planetoids, even over several
> thousand years. Handwavium. Get over it.

The problem is that there's a story gap. Given the energy provisioning,
FTL and AI-controlled industrial capabilities displayed in Dahak,
it's quite plausible for the Empire to have built a million planetoid
fleet. Having done so, it's not reasonable to be able to staff them
appropriately...

I think a story about the things that can go wrong in that process could
be quite amusing, in a terrifying sort of way.

-dsr-

On 4/22/2022 12:50 PM, -dsr- wrote:
> On 2022-04-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/19/2022 7:49 AM, Wolffan wrote:
>>> more really bad Weber biology. And time travel. And a ‘fighter’
>>> spacecraft which masses 10,000 tons, revealing truly bad economics. (How in
>>> Christ Jesus’s name can anyone, even an interstellar federation, afford to
>>> build ’thousands’ of those things?)
>
>> Oh my goodness, here we go again. Any book / story with FTL in it has
>> handwavium in it. Period. Get over it.
>>
>> And Mutineer's Moon has a million planetoid (2,000 km to 3,000 km
>> diameter) sized spaceships in it to defend themselves against an
>> invasive species with very high iron blood. But the 5,000 inhabited
>> planets could not build the million planetoids, even over several
>> thousand years. Handwavium. Get over it.
>
> The problem is that there's a story gap. Given the energy provisioning,
> FTL and AI-controlled industrial capabilities displayed in Dahak,
> it's quite plausible for the Empire to have built a million planetoid
> fleet. Having done so, it's not reasonable to be able to staff them
> appropriately...
>
> I think a story about the things that can go wrong in that process could
> be quite amusing, in a terrifying sort of way.
>
> -dsr-

Each planetoid starts with 100,000 crew members and family and there is
room for 250,000 crew and family for the forty year postings.

1,000,000 planetoids * 100,000 crew / planetoid = 100,000,000,000 total crew

100,000,000,000 total crew / 5,000 empire planets = 20,000,000 crew per
planet for the fleet of planetoids

A drop in the bucket for planets with an average of a billion citizens
each. And fully enhanced citizens had a life expectancy of 600 years.

And things did go horribly wrong in several ways.

Lynn

On 4/20/2022 5:33 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> schrieb:
>> On 18 Apr 2022, Lynn McGuire wrote
>> (in article <t3kubh$t8e$1@dont-email.me>):
>>
>>> On 4/18/2022 4:57 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_. The
>>>> plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to mention
>>>> time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and shaping humanity
>>>> in the process.
>>>>
>>>> I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more stories like
>>>> that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Good book, here are a few that are close but not the same.
>>>
>>> "Mutineer's Moon (Dahak Series)" by David Weber
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
>>
>> warning, warning, warning! Weber tends to have problems with biology (and
>> physics...) but this series was the poster child for bad biology (and worse
>> physics) as it postulated that humans were really aliens, unrelated to any
>> other species on Earth. Including the other hominids, such as chimps,
>> bonobos, and gorillas. Hint: we’re pretty damn closely related to all
>> three. (As for the physics... the Moon is an alien battleship. Really. And
>> the good guys later collect a whole bunch of similarly sized alien
>> battleships, and build some themselves, so economics is something else that
>> Weber has problems with.)
>
> Not only that.
>
> There's a huuuuge fleet of evil aliens trying to destroy everything
> else. Summing up the total volume, the moon-shaped ships of the Good
> Guys are actually bigger.
>
> But of course, if your main ship is the diameter of the Moon, the
> largest auxiliary ships is a factor of ~ 1000 smaller (linear scale,
> so around a billion or so in volume).
>
> Still good for a laugh, though.

The planetoids started out as a small planet or a large moon. A
cladding was added to the planetoid of several miles thick for housing,
supplies, weapons, auxiliary ships, distributed power plants etc.

The reason to use a planetoid was to install a core tap in the center of
the planetoid. The core tap is necessary to power the Euchanach FTL drive.

Lynn

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>On 4/22/2022 12:50 PM, -dsr- wrote:
>> On 2022-04-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The problem is that there's a story gap. Given the energy provisioning,
>> FTL and AI-controlled industrial capabilities displayed in Dahak,
>> it's quite plausible for the Empire to have built a million planetoid
>> fleet. Having done so, it's not reasonable to be able to staff them
>> appropriately...
>>
>> I think a story about the things that can go wrong in that process could
>> be quite amusing, in a terrifying sort of way.
>>
>> -dsr-
>

>And things did go horribly wrong in several ways.

If only the imperial citizens had obeyed the Emperor's
mask mandate, they wouldn't have genocided themselves.

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:57:49 PM UTC-4, staffor...@gmail.com wrote:
> All,
>
> One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_. The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and shaping humanity in the process.
>
> I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
>
Poul Anderson's _Boat of a Million Years_ has immortals arising throughout human history, some fighting and some hiding.

On 4/18/2022 4:57 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> All,
>
> One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_. The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and shaping humanity in the process.
>
> I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
>
>
>
> Regards

How about "The Peace War" by Vernor Vinge ? Great story about somebody
invents a stasis technology and then people use it enforce world peace.
But the stasis bubbles do not last forever as was originally thought.
https://www.amazon.com/Peace-War-Vernor-Vinge-ebook/dp/B003E74BSS/

Lynn

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:57:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> All,
>
> One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_. The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and shaping humanity in the process.
>
> I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
>
>
>
> Regards
The label YASID used to be for story identification questions, not requests for reading recommendations.

Amicus Brevis <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_.
> The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to
> mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and
> shaping humanity in the process.
>
> I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more
> stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
>

I don't think anyone's mentioned Ben Bova's _Orion_ yet?

--
Leif Roar Moldskred

In article <b7ydnRmK9_cnrvn_nZ2dnZeNn_pj4p2d@giganews.com>,
Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreheim.Home> wrote:
>Amicus Brevis <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_.
>> The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to
>> mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and
>> shaping humanity in the process.
>>
>> I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more
>> stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
>>
>
>I don't think anyone's mentioned Ben Bova's _Orion_ yet?
>

I really liked those.

Does Moorcock's "Eternal Champion" setting work here? It seems kinda yes
and kinda no.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On 23 Apr 2022, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan wrote
(in article <jcis99Fb0njU2@mid.individual.net>):

> In article<b7ydnRmK9_cnrvn_nZ2dnZeNn_pj4p2d@giganews.com>,
> Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreheim.Home> wrote:
> > Amicus Brevis<stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_.
> > > The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to
> > > mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and
> > > shaping humanity in the process.
> > >
> > > I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more
> > > stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
> >
> > I don't think anyone's mentioned Ben Bova's _Orion_ yet?
>
> I really liked those.
>
> Does Moorcock's "Eternal Champion" setting work here? It seems kinda yes
> and kinda no.

Zelanzy’s”Last Defender of Camelot” might work.

In article <0001HW.2814788F046B20C670000F98F38F@news.supernews.com>,
Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>On 23 Apr 2022, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan wrote
>(in article <jcis99Fb0njU2@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> In article<b7ydnRmK9_cnrvn_nZ2dnZeNn_pj4p2d@giganews.com>,
>> Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreheim.Home> wrote:
>> > Amicus Brevis<stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > All,
>> > >
>> > > One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_.
>> > > The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to
>> > > mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and
>> > > shaping humanity in the process.
>> > >
>> > > I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more
>> > > stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
>> >
>> > I don't think anyone's mentioned Ben Bova's _Orion_ yet?
>>
>> I really liked those.
>>
>> Does Moorcock's "Eternal Champion" setting work here? It seems kinda yes
>> and kinda no.
>
>Zelanzy’s”Last Defender of Camelot” might work.
>

And _Lord Of Light_ iirc.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On 4/22/2022 6:06 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 4/22/2022 12:50 PM, -dsr- wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> The problem is that there's a story gap. Given the energy provisioning,
>>> FTL and AI-controlled industrial capabilities displayed in Dahak,
>>> it's quite plausible for the Empire to have built a million planetoid
>>> fleet. Having done so, it's not reasonable to be able to staff them
>>> appropriately...
>>>
>>> I think a story about the things that can go wrong in that process could
>>> be quite amusing, in a terrifying sort of way.
>>>
>>> -dsr-
>>
>
>> And things did go horribly wrong in several ways.
>
> If only the imperial citizens had obeyed the Emperor's
> mask mandate, they wouldn't have genocided themselves.

If only they had installed a virus detector in the world to world matter
transmitters, they would have lived.

Lynn

On 4/18/2022 4:57 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> All,
>
> One of my favorite books is _The Last Dancer_ by _Daniel Keys Moran_. The plot involves two people who are essentially immortal (not to mention time-hopping) continuing a fight of over the centuries and shaping humanity in the process.
>
> I recently re-read the _The Last Dancer_ and feel to read more stories like that. Mentions or recommendations will be welcome.
>
>
>
> Regards

"The Forever Hero: Dawn for a Distant Earth, The Silent Warrior, In
Endless Twilight" by L. E. Modesitt Jr.
https://www.amazon.com/Forever-Hero-Distant-Warrior-Twilight/dp/0312868383/

Lynn

On 4/23/2022 2:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/22/2022 6:06 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 4/22/2022 12:50 PM, -dsr- wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> The problem is that there's a story gap. Given the energy provisioning,
>>>> FTL and AI-controlled industrial capabilities displayed in Dahak,
>>>> it's quite plausible for the Empire to have built a million planetoid
>>>> fleet. Having done so, it's not reasonable to be able to staff them
>>>> appropriately...
>>>>
>>>> I think a story about the things that can go wrong in that process
>>>> could
>>>> be quite amusing, in a terrifying sort of way.
>>>>
>>>> -dsr-
>>>
>>
>>> And things did go horribly wrong in several ways.
>>
>> If only the imperial citizens had obeyed the Emperor's
>> mask mandate, they wouldn't have genocided themselves.
>
> If only they had installed a virus detector in the world to world matter
> transmitters, they would have lived.
>
> Lynn

It does make one wonder where our virus detectors are in our continent
to continent matter transmitters. AKA airplanes and big ships. If we
had those virus detectors, we could have skipped this whole Koof mess
and let the Chinese deal with it themselves.

Lynn

On 4/23/2022 12:52 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/23/2022 2:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 6:06 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 4/22/2022 12:50 PM, -dsr- wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The problem is that there's a story gap. Given the energy
>>>>> provisioning,
>>>>> FTL and AI-controlled industrial capabilities displayed in Dahak,
>>>>> it's quite plausible for the Empire to have built a million planetoid
>>>>> fleet. Having done so, it's not reasonable to be able to staff them
>>>>> appropriately...
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a story about the things that can go wrong in that process
>>>>> could
>>>>> be quite amusing, in a terrifying sort of way.
>>>>>
>>>>> -dsr-
>>>>
>>>
>>>> And things did go horribly wrong in several ways.
>>>
>>> If only the imperial citizens had obeyed the Emperor's
>>> mask mandate, they wouldn't have genocided themselves.
>>
>> If only they had installed a virus detector in the world to world
>> matter transmitters, they would have lived.
>>
>> Lynn
>
> It does make one wonder where our virus detectors are in our continent
> to continent matter transmitters.  AKA airplanes and big ships.  If we
> had those virus detectors, we could have skipped this whole Koof mess
> and let the Chinese deal with it themselves.
>
The trick is detecting only the _harmful_ virii. We all have virii in
us that are necessary for our metabolic functions.

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On 4/23/2022 4:06 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 4/23/2022 12:52 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 4/23/2022 2:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 4/22/2022 6:06 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> On 4/22/2022 12:50 PM, -dsr- wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is that there's a story gap. Given the energy
>>>>>> provisioning,
>>>>>> FTL and AI-controlled industrial capabilities displayed in Dahak,
>>>>>> it's quite plausible for the Empire to have built a million planetoid
>>>>>> fleet. Having done so, it's not reasonable to be able to staff them
>>>>>> appropriately...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think a story about the things that can go wrong in that process
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> be quite amusing, in a terrifying sort of way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -dsr-
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And things did go horribly wrong in several ways.
>>>>
>>>> If only the imperial citizens had obeyed the Emperor's
>>>> mask mandate, they wouldn't have genocided themselves.
>>>
>>> If only they had installed a virus detector in the world to world
>>> matter transmitters, they would have lived.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> It does make one wonder where our virus detectors are in our continent
>> to continent matter transmitters.  AKA airplanes and big ships.  If we
>> had those virus detectors, we could have skipped this whole Koof mess
>> and let the Chinese deal with it themselves.
>>
> The trick is detecting only the _harmful_ virii.  We all have virii in
> us that are necessary for our metabolic functions.

Well of course the virus detectors need to be programmable. Just like
email spam detectors.

Lynn

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 14:52:00 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/23/2022 2:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 6:06 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 4/22/2022 12:50 PM, -dsr- wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And things did go horribly wrong in several ways.
>>>
>>> If only the imperial citizens had obeyed the Emperor's
>>> mask mandate, they wouldn't have genocided themselves.
>>
>> If only they had installed a virus detector in the world to world matter
>> transmitters, they would have lived.
>>
>> Lynn
>
>It does make one wonder where our virus detectors are in our continent
>to continent matter transmitters. AKA airplanes and big ships. If we
>had those virus detectors, we could have skipped this whole Koof mess
>and let the Chinese deal with it themselves.

That's one thing I always wondered about the Star Trek transporter
since it DID have the ability to filter its income matter transmission
so presumably they could have filtered out signatures of known
diseases (bacteria and virus) and thus eliminated 80-90% of the need
for Sickbay

On 4/23/2022 2:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/23/2022 4:06 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 4/23/2022 12:52 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 4/23/2022 2:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 4/22/2022 6:06 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> On 4/22/2022 12:50 PM, -dsr- wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-04-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem is that there's a story gap. Given the energy
>>>>>>> provisioning,
>>>>>>> FTL and AI-controlled industrial capabilities displayed in Dahak,
>>>>>>> it's quite plausible for the Empire to have built a million
>>>>>>> planetoid
>>>>>>> fleet. Having done so, it's not reasonable to be able to staff them
>>>>>>> appropriately...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think a story about the things that can go wrong in that
>>>>>>> process could
>>>>>>> be quite amusing, in a terrifying sort of way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -dsr-
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And things did go horribly wrong in several ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> If only the imperial citizens had obeyed the Emperor's
>>>>> mask mandate, they wouldn't have genocided themselves.
>>>>
>>>> If only they had installed a virus detector in the world to world
>>>> matter transmitters, they would have lived.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> It does make one wonder where our virus detectors are in our
>>> continent to continent matter transmitters.  AKA airplanes and big
>>> ships.  If we had those virus detectors, we could have skipped this
>>> whole Koof mess and let the Chinese deal with it themselves.
>>>
>> The trick is detecting only the _harmful_ virii.  We all have virii in
>> us that are necessary for our metabolic functions.
>
> Well of course the virus detectors need to be programmable.  Just like
> email spam detectors.
>
Which means you have to know _what_ to program them to filter out....

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I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.