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 by: Yosemite Sam - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 02:07 UTC

On 20/12/2021 12:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
> Never seen any evidence that showed Xeno has any qualifications.

why would you? but I have, clocky has, alvey has (i think) and jonz has.
so you can quit suggesting that Xeno has none. but you've never seen any
evidence that your little mate is qualified, and neither has anyone else.

>
> Just another theory laden chalky.

unlike your mate who is bereft of theory

>
> Very little hands experience that's for sure.
>
>

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Subject: Re: Hyundai Kona Electric test drive
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 by: alvey - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 02:14 UTC

On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:53:08 +1100, Daryl wrote:

> On 20/12/21 11:17 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, 19 December 2021 at 20:59:47 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/12/2021 8:31 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/12/21 6:20 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 19/12/2021 7:13 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 22:46:52 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip boring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahhhh Fraudster, you've done it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once more you've leapt into action to try and make some pissant,
>>>>>> incredibly
>>>>>> insignificant point, yet you won't provide any proof of any of your
>>>>>> stupendously grandiose claims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about a few pix of the fabled NA of A?
>>>>>> Or your Grange collection?
>>>>>> Sunshine Coast property?
>>>>>> Qualifications?
>>>>>> Drag racing action shots?
>>>>>> Happy snaps from Japan and USA?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> or scan his trade certificates and post them. after all, they should
>>>>> be public info since he 'works' as a motor mechanic
>>>>>
>>>> As long as the number can be seen. Certificates can be faked, that
>>>> number cannot. A query to the relevant body will attach a *name* to
>>>> any number Darren supplies (should be 2 according to claims) or verify
>>>> a name/number combination. That's why I *know* he has no trade papers
>>>> of any sort. He'd have flashed them here and shot me down in flames
>>>> *in an instant* - if he could. But he can't. FFS, he even tried to
>>>> claim he did his auto machining training in-house at Repco. It was
>>>> Repco who was the prime mover behind the push to gazette auto
>>>> machining as a trade and set up a training facility for it. And you
>>>> think Repco wouldn't use such a facility once it was completed? Of
>>>> course they would - and did - and my teaching colleagues worked in
>>>> that department. This is the sort of detail where Darren comes unstuck
>>>> - you actually had to have been an auto machining apprentice to know
>>>> what went on in the training regime.
>>> yes, which is why his claims seem credible to those (like me) outside
>>> the industry , but not insiders like yourself. :)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> *Insider?* cunt has *never* been one.!
>
> Never seen any evidence that showed Xeno has any qualifications.

And in related news... A blind man in country Victoria has claimed that
stars don't exist because he's never seen any.
> Just another theory laden chalky.
>
> Very little hands experience that's for sure.

And there's a bonus Freudian slip from a Fraudster enabler.

Top post Deryl. Honest.

alvey
Wondering if there's an IQ test that you have to fail to live in the Dic
countryside.

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 by: Noddy - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 02:20 UTC

On 20/12/2021 11:17 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 19 December 2021 at 20:59:47 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> yes, which is why his claims seem credible to those (like me) outside
>> the industry , but not insiders like yourself. :)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> *Insider?* cunt has *never* been one.! Just another theory laden chalky.

Lol :) Is he ever? This is a bloke who carries on about being "extremely
trade relevant" yet his last faint connection to the trade was over 25
years ago according to him which in any normal situation would make any
right minded person wonder how he considers a disconnection of a quarter
of a century would enable "relevance" of any kind :)

> All he`s good?? for is showing just how mind numbingly fixated one can get.

It's his inferiority complex hard at work. He simply *can't* be seen as
being inferior in any way, so he has to ridicule anything anyone else
says in order to feel superior and usually does nothing other than show
how clueless he actually is in the process.

Like his waffle about carburetors for example. A 1050cfm carburetor on
an engine of 360 cubic inches was a practical impossibility according to
him, yet Allan Moffat set pole position at Bathurst in 1972 with
*exactly* that combination. Then there's his *complete* failure to
comprehend the differences between boosted and unboosted brake systems :)

Not surprisingly he sticks his fingers in his ears and "La-La-La's"
anything that proves him wrong. And this is an imbecile who claims he
was passing on knowledge to students? The imbecile who claims
"transferred experience" is a real thing? :)

> Mind you he is ably assisted by the other fixated old cunts in here.

What, you mean the licensed fucktard who can't tell the difference
between glass and plastic?

Oddly enough, I thought the "Licensing system" in WA was supposed to
weed out the "woodducks".....

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 by: Noddy - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 02:25 UTC

On 20/12/2021 12:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 20/12/21 11:17 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:

>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   *Insider?* cunt has *never* been one.!
>
> Never seen any evidence that showed Xeno has any qualifications.

Me either, but apparently it's "proved" though. Just like all his claims
about me being "proved" yet no one has ever seen any of that proof :)

> Just another theory laden chalky.
>
> Very little hands experience that's for sure.

Combined with zero ability.

This is a bloke who reckons he had 8 jobs in 6 years as his "journeyman"
period, which is a really cool way of saying that he was *so*
incompetent that he couldn't hold a job down long enough to know where
the toilets and lunchroom were.

A *perfect* teacher in fact. Big on theory, but utterly fucking hopeless
when it came to practical effort.

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 04:10 UTC

On 20/12/21 1:07 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 12:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>> Never seen any evidence that showed Xeno has any qualifications.
>
>
> why would you? but I have, clocky has, alvey has (i think) and jonz has.
> so you can quit suggesting that Xeno has none. but you've never seen any
> evidence that your little mate is qualified, and neither has anyone else.
>
>
>>
>> Just another theory laden chalky.
>
>
> unlike your mate who is bereft of theory
>
And, because of that, stuffs up the practice. Take Les' 4AGE(20) engine
outcome as the *perfect example* of what Darren's lack of theoretical
understanding of the intricacies of engines can lead to..
On that point, Daryl, supposedly trained and qualified, *couldn't* work
out how to do the piston to valve clearance check. That is such a
fundamental check on any engine where you are modifying anything,
especially critical clearances such as piston to valve. Easy to see why
he left the trade and found his vocation in cleaning.

>
>>
>> Very little hands experience that's for sure.
>>
>>
>

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 04:17 UTC

On 20/12/21 11:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:39:31 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>> snip bullshit
>>
>>>   I can remember when I used to service my old man's work vans.
>> snip more bullshit
>>
>>> This was on vans that would hit 400k km's over the course of a
>>> 3 year lease before he would off-load it and move onto the next one.
>> Couple of things here Fraudster.
>>
>> 1. As an unqualified wannabee, you would have voided the warranty by
>> servicing anything on a lease.
>> 2. 400km over a three year lease for an owner operator who, according to
>> you, only ever advertised in the local paper?(a)
>
>
> maths was never noddy's forte. 400k klms a year is 11,111 klms a month,
> or 2,564 klms a week, or 365.30 klms a day. so traveling 365.30 klms @
> an average (say) 60 klms an hour would take 6 hours out of his working
> day. so where/when did he work? he would have spent most of his day
> driving to jobs, which would be very unusual for someone who only
> advertises locally and would therefore be working locally. the pile just
> keeps getting bigger..
>
Noddy didn't reach the level of *Maths*. He stumbled and fell over basic
arithmetic, as he well and truly proved in the above bullshit story.
>
>> 3. As NA of A in the Slough Estate never existed, where did you do these
>> services? Or when you say "serviced", do you mean "washed"?
>>
>> (a) "I learnt that lesson from my father who worked for himself for 50
>> years and made a good living doing nothing more than having an ad in the
>> "tradies" section of the local paper".  Fraudster 09Jul19
>>
>> Der Der really should begin these anecdotes, 'Once upon a time...'.
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 04:18 UTC

On 20/12/21 11:03 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/12/2021 9:09 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/12/21 8:56 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/12/2021 8:23 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/12/21 6:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 19/12/2021 5:17 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/12/21 12:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/12/2021 12:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/12/21 10:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As can be seen in the second photo, there's still around 4mm of
>>>>>>>>> friction material left before you hit the wear indicators. The
>>>>>>>>> rotors themselves were a millimeter above minimum spec and
>>>>>>>>> still perfectly serviceable without any heat marks or warpage,
>>>>>>>>> and the brakes were working as well as they always have. This
>>>>>>>>> is a fairly heavy vehicle that has big 320mm rotors and it's
>>>>>>>>> always stopped exceptionally well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's also 10 years old with 121 thousand km's on the dial, and
>>>>>>>>> to get this level of service life out of front brakes on any
>>>>>>>>> vehicle today is outstanding.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even by Toyota's standards :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Their longevity could be due partly to where we live, not much
>>>>>>>> stop start and plenty of longish hwy trips, non of our cars have
>>>>>>>> ever worn out their brakes quickly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Possibly. No doubt in my mind that these Navara pads & rotors
>>>>>>> would have comfortably gone another 10 thousand km's, and
>>>>>>> possibly even another 20 given the remarkably low wear rates
>>>>>>> they're showing. Country living probably helps, but the point is
>>>>>>> anything a Toyota is capable of doing is not exclusive to them
>>>>>>> and beyond the realm of anything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So pray tell why Toyota has a reputation for *reliability and
>>>>>> Nissans have, well, a *bad* reputation. Your Toyota envy is
>>>>>> showing. I notice that you have had such a bad run out of your
>>>>>> Navara you aren't buying another. I'm on my 3rd Toyota and my 4th
>>>>>> is likely to also be a Toyota. Reliability and TCO, two factors
>>>>>> that make a car a good buy and Toyota has both well covered.
>>>>>> Nissan, not so much - obviously.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I buy what I like, and can afford; or rather what I want to spend.
>>>>>
>>>> Ditto and I like *reliability* above all else.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I'm not singing Nissan's praises here, either. I can remember
>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not alone, nobody else does either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> used to service my old man's work vans. His last 3 or 4 vehicles
>>>>>>> were Mitsubishi Express vans and he had an exceptionally good run
>>>>>>> out of them as did most people. He was in the bathroom & Kitchen
>>>>>>> renovation business and he would *always* be lugging his van
>>>>>>> around full of crap along with towing a fully loaded "tradie"
>>>>>>> trailer will all his tools every day the van got used. I can't
>>>>>>> tell you what the total weight was but it was always choc-a-bloc
>>>>>>> and probably close to 3 tonne, and this was in suburbia where
>>>>>>> there was plenty of stop start driving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He did lots of miles, yet he would routinely get 80-90 thousand
>>>>>>> km's out of a set of front pads. Rear shoes would never wear out,
>>>>>>> and he would see 300 thousand or more out of a clutch. This was
>>>>>>> on vans that would hit 400k km's over the course of a 3 year
>>>>>>> lease before he would off-load it and move onto the next one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 400k on a three year lease Darren? That sounds way too rich a
>>>>>> *lie* even by *your standards*. Did your father do any work or did
>>>>>> he just drive between job sites just for the heck of it.
>>>>>> Certainly, if he was doing 130k+ per year, he would have to have
>>>>>> been behind the wheel all day long. How did he squeeze any work in?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> poor ol'derro is always tripping tripping over those annoying
>>>>> things called facts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tradies vans tend to get abused like that. One of his best mates
>>>>>>> was a plumber who worked with him a lot who had a Hi-Ace which I
>>>>>>> also serviced, and that never did any better. It would get around
>>>>>>> the same mileage out of pads and clutches, they both seemed to be
>>>>>>> about as reliable as each other. The only real significant
>>>>>>> difference between them was that the Mitsubishi was around 10
>>>>>>> grand cheaper to buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You serviced his van - in your little backyard business in Altona?
>>>>>> Your parent's place, wasn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> housing allotments in that area are not large. he would have had to
>>>>> be working in the street!
>>>>>
>>>> That would not surprise me in the least!  ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> afaik this is roughly the area. you can see the housing density.
>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc885vz4
>>>
>>>
>> Still large enough for dual occupancy though. That indicates block
>> sizes of ~600+SqM.
>>
>
> yes i suppose a small house on a block that size would allow for a side
> driveway and room at the rear for a large 'tin shed' workshop. but then
> what about council regulations??
>
>
In Altona? What regulations?

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 04:29 UTC

On 20/12/21 12:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 20/12/21 11:17 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, 19 December 2021 at 20:59:47 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/12/2021 8:31 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/12/21 6:20 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 19/12/2021 7:13 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 22:46:52 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip boring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahhhh Fraudster, you've done it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once more you've leapt into action to try and make some pissant,
>>>>>> incredibly
>>>>>> insignificant point, yet you won't provide any proof of any of your
>>>>>> stupendously grandiose claims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about a few pix of the fabled NA of A?
>>>>>> Or your Grange collection?
>>>>>> Sunshine Coast property?
>>>>>> Qualifications?
>>>>>> Drag racing action shots?
>>>>>> Happy snaps from Japan and USA?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> or scan his trade certificates and post them. after all, they should
>>>>> be public info since he 'works' as a motor mechanic
>>>>>
>>>> As long as the number can be seen. Certificates can be faked, that
>>>> number cannot. A query to the relevant body will attach a *name* to
>>>> any number Darren supplies (should be 2 according to claims) or verify
>>>> a name/number combination. That's why I *know* he has no trade papers
>>>> of any sort. He'd have flashed them here and shot me down in flames
>>>> *in an instant* - if he could. But he can't. FFS, he even tried to
>>>> claim he did his auto machining training in-house at Repco. It was
>>>> Repco who was the prime mover behind the push to gazette auto
>>>> machining as a trade and set up a training facility for it. And you
>>>> think Repco wouldn't use such a facility once it was completed? Of
>>>> course they would - and did - and my teaching colleagues worked in
>>>> that department. This is the sort of detail where Darren comes unstuck
>>>> - you actually had to have been an auto machining apprentice to know
>>>> what went on in the training regime.
>>> yes, which is why his claims seem credible to those (like me) outside
>>> the industry , but not insiders like yourself.  :)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   *Insider?* cunt has *never* been one.!
>
> Never seen any evidence that showed Xeno has any qualifications.
>
> Just another theory laden chalky.
>
> Very little hands experience that's for sure.
>
Puir wee Daryl, the bloke who couldn't handle working in the motor trade
casting aspersions on those of us who did and who actually *progressed*
in the trade. Ever been in a post 1980 apprentice motor mechanics class
Daryl? I'll give ou a hint, they are *all* practical classes. The theory
is interspersed with the practical tasks the apprentices do. It's
nothing like the system you or I trained under.

As for hands on experience, it was the *variety* and the *extent* of my
hands on trade experience that got me the teaching job. The people who
diss trade theory are the ones who don't understand it and, notably in
your case, get forced out of the trade into something better suited to
their intellectual capabilities. You went into *cleaning*! Nuff said.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:03 UTC

On 20/12/21 1:20 pm, Noddy wrote:

>
> Lol :) Is he ever? This is a bloke who carries on about being "extremely
> trade relevant" yet his last faint connection to the trade was over 25
> years ago according to him which in any normal situation would make any
> right minded person wonder how he considers a disconnection of a quarter
> of a century would enable "relevance" of any kind :)

You banging on about trade relevance, especially that of others, doesn't
make you trade relevant Darren. FFS, you couldn't even get to first
base, an apprenticeship. Worse, you had to *invent* your own trade
qualifications and create what *you perceived* as your trade relevance
by inventing a career in the automotive trade. Hey, that year you
*claim* to have spent as a dealer service manager, that was a real
pisser. What about your *invented* 15 years in your own business. Funny
how no records of it exist, eh? Just like your claimed trade
qualifications, they don't exist either - except in your own mind.
>
>> All he`s good?? for is showing just how mind numbingly fixated one can
>> get.
>
> It's his inferiority complex hard at work. He simply *can't* be seen as
> being inferior in any way, so he has to ridicule anything anyone else

Inferiority complexes cause people to create a fake persona for
themselves - like you did when you invented your trade qualifications

> says in order to feel superior and usually does nothing other than show
> how clueless he actually is in the process.
>
> Like his waffle about carburetors for example. A 1050cfm carburetor on
> an engine of 360 cubic inches was a practical impossibility according to
> him, yet Allan Moffat set pole position at Bathurst in 1972 with
> *exactly* that combination. Then there's his *complete* failure to

Just keep harping on about how the simple automotive maths is beyond
your ken Darren.

> comprehend the differences between boosted and unboosted brake systems :)

Big differences Darren - but I was talking about discs needing boosters
whilst drums, if given enough shoe factor, worked quite capably without.
>
> Not surprisingly he sticks his fingers in his ears and "La-La-La's"
> anything that proves him wrong. And this is an imbecile who claims he

Well, this proves me right;

https://what-when-how.com/automobile/brake-shoe-and-pad-fundamentals-automobile/

It's you with the fingers in the ear Darren. BTW, have fun with the
maths involved with shoe factor and friction - way beyond your ken.

> was passing on knowledge to students? The imbecile who claims
> "transferred experience" is a real thing? :)

You have no clue of the concept Darren. But then, you're not smart
enough so no surprise there.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:06 UTC

On 20/12/21 1:25 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 12:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 20/12/21 11:17 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   *Insider?* cunt has *never* been one.!
>>
>> Never seen any evidence that showed Xeno has any qualifications.
>
> Me either, but apparently it's "proved" though. Just like all his claims
> about me being "proved" yet no one has ever seen any of that proof :)

Certainly has and you *proved* why it was never put into your hot little
hands.
>
>> Just another theory laden chalky.
>>
>> Very little hands experience that's for sure.
>
> Combined with zero ability.
>
> This is a bloke who reckons he had 8 jobs in 6 years as his "journeyman"
> period, which is a really cool way of saying that he was *so*
> incompetent that he couldn't hold a job down long enough to know where
> the toilets and lunchroom were.
>
> A *perfect* teacher in fact. Big on theory, but utterly fucking hopeless
> when it came to practical effort.

You just keep showing that you never ever saw the inside of an
apprentice trade classroom Darren. Especially one for motor mechanics in
the 80s. No theory classrooms Darren, all prac work.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:18 UTC

On 20/12/2021 3:18 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 20/12/21 11:03 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/12/2021 9:09 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/12/21 8:56 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 19/12/2021 8:23 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 19/12/21 6:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/12/2021 5:17 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/12/21 12:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 19/12/2021 12:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/12/21 10:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As can be seen in the second photo, there's still around 4mm
>>>>>>>>>> of friction material left before you hit the wear indicators.
>>>>>>>>>> The rotors themselves were a millimeter above minimum spec
>>>>>>>>>> and still perfectly serviceable without any heat marks or
>>>>>>>>>> warpage, and the brakes were working as well as they always
>>>>>>>>>> have. This is a fairly heavy vehicle that has big 320mm
>>>>>>>>>> rotors and it's always stopped exceptionally well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's also 10 years old with 121 thousand km's on the dial,
>>>>>>>>>> and to get this level of service life out of front brakes on
>>>>>>>>>> any vehicle today is outstanding.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even by Toyota's standards :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Their longevity could be due partly to where we live, not much
>>>>>>>>> stop start and plenty of longish hwy trips, non of our cars
>>>>>>>>> have ever worn out their brakes quickly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Possibly. No doubt in my mind that these Navara pads & rotors
>>>>>>>> would have comfortably gone another 10 thousand km's, and
>>>>>>>> possibly even another 20 given the remarkably low wear rates
>>>>>>>> they're showing. Country living probably helps, but the point
>>>>>>>> is anything a Toyota is capable of doing is not exclusive to
>>>>>>>> them and beyond the realm of anything else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So pray tell why Toyota has a reputation for *reliability and
>>>>>>> Nissans have, well, a *bad* reputation. Your Toyota envy is
>>>>>>> showing. I notice that you have had such a bad run out of your
>>>>>>> Navara you aren't buying another. I'm on my 3rd Toyota and my
>>>>>>> 4th is likely to also be a Toyota. Reliability and TCO, two
>>>>>>> factors that make a car a good buy and Toyota has both well
>>>>>>> covered. Nissan, not so much - obviously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I buy what I like, and can afford; or rather what I want to spend.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ditto and I like *reliability* above all else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I'm not singing Nissan's praises here, either. I can
>>>>>>>> remember when I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're not alone, nobody else does either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> used to service my old man's work vans. His last 3 or 4
>>>>>>>> vehicles were Mitsubishi Express vans and he had an
>>>>>>>> exceptionally good run out of them as did most people. He was
>>>>>>>> in the bathroom & Kitchen renovation business and he would
>>>>>>>> *always* be lugging his van around full of crap along with
>>>>>>>> towing a fully loaded "tradie" trailer will all his tools every
>>>>>>>> day the van got used. I can't tell you what the total weight
>>>>>>>> was but it was always choc-a-bloc and probably close to 3
>>>>>>>> tonne, and this was in suburbia where there was plenty of stop
>>>>>>>> start driving.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He did lots of miles, yet he would routinely get 80-90 thousand
>>>>>>>> km's out of a set of front pads. Rear shoes would never wear
>>>>>>>> out, and he would see 300 thousand or more out of a clutch.
>>>>>>>> This was on vans that would hit 400k km's over the course of a
>>>>>>>> 3 year lease before he would off-load it and move onto the next
>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 400k on a three year lease Darren? That sounds way too rich a
>>>>>>> *lie* even by *your standards*. Did your father do any work or
>>>>>>> did he just drive between job sites just for the heck of it.
>>>>>>> Certainly, if he was doing 130k+ per year, he would have to have
>>>>>>> been behind the wheel all day long. How did he squeeze any work in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> poor ol'derro is always tripping tripping over those annoying
>>>>>> things called facts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tradies vans tend to get abused like that. One of his best
>>>>>>>> mates was a plumber who worked with him a lot who had a Hi-Ace
>>>>>>>> which I also serviced, and that never did any better. It would
>>>>>>>> get around the same mileage out of pads and clutches, they both
>>>>>>>> seemed to be about as reliable as each other. The only real
>>>>>>>> significant difference between them was that the Mitsubishi was
>>>>>>>> around 10 grand cheaper to buy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You serviced his van - in your little backyard business in
>>>>>>> Altona? Your parent's place, wasn't it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> housing allotments in that area are not large. he would have had
>>>>>> to be working in the street!
>>>>>>
>>>>> That would not surprise me in the least!  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> afaik this is roughly the area. you can see the housing density.
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc885vz4
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Still large enough for dual occupancy though. That indicates block
>>> sizes of ~600+SqM.
>>>
>>
>> yes i suppose a small house on a block that size would allow for a
>> side driveway and room at the rear for a large 'tin shed' workshop.
>> but then what about council regulations??
>>
>>
> In Altona? What regulations?
>

I was just wondering if there would be regulations precluding a backyard
automotive repair business.

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:21 UTC

On 20/12/2021 1:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 11:17 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, 19 December 2021 at 20:59:47 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> yes, which is why his claims seem credible to those (like me) outside
>>> the industry , but not insiders like yourself.  :)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   *Insider?* cunt has *never* been one.! Just another theory laden
>> chalky.
>
> Lol :) Is he ever? This is a bloke who carries on about being
> "extremely trade relevant" yet his last faint connection to the trade
> was over 25 years ago according to him which in any normal situation
> would make any right minded person wonder how he considers a
> disconnection of a quarter of a century would enable "relevance" of
> any kind :)
>
>> All he`s good?? for is showing just how mind numbingly fixated one
>> can get.
>
> It's his inferiority complex hard at work. He simply *can't* be seen
> as being inferior in any way, so he has to ridicule anything anyone
> else says in order to feel superior and usually does nothing other
> than show how clueless he actually is in the process.

that's you to a T

>
> Like his waffle about carburetors for example. A 1050cfm carburetor on
> an engine of 360 cubic inches was a practical impossibility according
> to him, yet Allan Moffat set pole position at Bathurst in 1972 with
> *exactly* that combination. Then there's his *complete* failure to
> comprehend the differences between boosted and unboosted brake systems :)
>
> Not surprisingly he sticks his fingers in his ears and "La-La-La's"
> anything that proves him wrong. And this is an imbecile who claims he
> was passing on knowledge to students? The imbecile who claims
> "transferred experience" is a real thing? :)
>
>> Mind you he is ably assisted by the other fixated old cunts in here.
>
> What, you mean the licensed fucktard who can't tell the difference
> between glass and plastic?
>
> Oddly enough, I thought the "Licensing system" in WA was supposed to
> weed out the "woodducks".....
>
>

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:41 UTC

On 20/12/21 11:18 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 3:18 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 20/12/21 11:03 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/12/2021 9:09 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/12/21 8:56 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 19/12/2021 8:23 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/12/21 6:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/12/2021 5:17 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 19/12/21 12:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 19/12/2021 12:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/12/21 10:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As can be seen in the second photo, there's still around 4mm
>>>>>>>>>>> of friction material left before you hit the wear indicators.
>>>>>>>>>>> The rotors themselves were a millimeter above minimum spec
>>>>>>>>>>> and still perfectly serviceable without any heat marks or
>>>>>>>>>>> warpage, and the brakes were working as well as they always
>>>>>>>>>>> have. This is a fairly heavy vehicle that has big 320mm
>>>>>>>>>>> rotors and it's always stopped exceptionally well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's also 10 years old with 121 thousand km's on the dial,
>>>>>>>>>>> and to get this level of service life out of front brakes on
>>>>>>>>>>> any vehicle today is outstanding.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Even by Toyota's standards :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Their longevity could be due partly to where we live, not much
>>>>>>>>>> stop start and plenty of longish hwy trips, non of our cars
>>>>>>>>>> have ever worn out their brakes quickly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Possibly. No doubt in my mind that these Navara pads & rotors
>>>>>>>>> would have comfortably gone another 10 thousand km's, and
>>>>>>>>> possibly even another 20 given the remarkably low wear rates
>>>>>>>>> they're showing. Country living probably helps, but the point
>>>>>>>>> is anything a Toyota is capable of doing is not exclusive to
>>>>>>>>> them and beyond the realm of anything else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So pray tell why Toyota has a reputation for *reliability and
>>>>>>>> Nissans have, well, a *bad* reputation. Your Toyota envy is
>>>>>>>> showing. I notice that you have had such a bad run out of your
>>>>>>>> Navara you aren't buying another. I'm on my 3rd Toyota and my
>>>>>>>> 4th is likely to also be a Toyota. Reliability and TCO, two
>>>>>>>> factors that make a car a good buy and Toyota has both well
>>>>>>>> covered. Nissan, not so much - obviously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I buy what I like, and can afford; or rather what I want to spend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ditto and I like *reliability* above all else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I'm not singing Nissan's praises here, either. I can
>>>>>>>>> remember when I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're not alone, nobody else does either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> used to service my old man's work vans. His last 3 or 4
>>>>>>>>> vehicles were Mitsubishi Express vans and he had an
>>>>>>>>> exceptionally good run out of them as did most people. He was
>>>>>>>>> in the bathroom & Kitchen renovation business and he would
>>>>>>>>> *always* be lugging his van around full of crap along with
>>>>>>>>> towing a fully loaded "tradie" trailer will all his tools every
>>>>>>>>> day the van got used. I can't tell you what the total weight
>>>>>>>>> was but it was always choc-a-bloc and probably close to 3
>>>>>>>>> tonne, and this was in suburbia where there was plenty of stop
>>>>>>>>> start driving.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He did lots of miles, yet he would routinely get 80-90 thousand
>>>>>>>>> km's out of a set of front pads. Rear shoes would never wear
>>>>>>>>> out, and he would see 300 thousand or more out of a clutch.
>>>>>>>>> This was on vans that would hit 400k km's over the course of a
>>>>>>>>> 3 year lease before he would off-load it and move onto the next
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 400k on a three year lease Darren? That sounds way too rich a
>>>>>>>> *lie* even by *your standards*. Did your father do any work or
>>>>>>>> did he just drive between job sites just for the heck of it.
>>>>>>>> Certainly, if he was doing 130k+ per year, he would have to have
>>>>>>>> been behind the wheel all day long. How did he squeeze any work in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> poor ol'derro is always tripping tripping over those annoying
>>>>>>> things called facts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tradies vans tend to get abused like that. One of his best
>>>>>>>>> mates was a plumber who worked with him a lot who had a Hi-Ace
>>>>>>>>> which I also serviced, and that never did any better. It would
>>>>>>>>> get around the same mileage out of pads and clutches, they both
>>>>>>>>> seemed to be about as reliable as each other. The only real
>>>>>>>>> significant difference between them was that the Mitsubishi was
>>>>>>>>> around 10 grand cheaper to buy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You serviced his van - in your little backyard business in
>>>>>>>> Altona? Your parent's place, wasn't it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> housing allotments in that area are not large. he would have had
>>>>>>> to be working in the street!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would not surprise me in the least!  ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> afaik this is roughly the area. you can see the housing density.
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc885vz4
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Still large enough for dual occupancy though. That indicates block
>>>> sizes of ~600+SqM.
>>>>
>>>
>>> yes i suppose a small house on a block that size would allow for a
>>> side driveway and room at the rear for a large 'tin shed' workshop.
>>> but then what about council regulations??
>>>
>>>
>> In Altona? What regulations?
>>
>
> I was just wondering if there would be regulations precluding a backyard
> automotive repair business.
>
In Victoria, council regulations cover that.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:42 UTC

On 20/12/21 11:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 1:20 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>
>> It's his inferiority complex hard at work. He simply *can't* be seen
>> as being inferior in any way, so he has to ridicule anything anyone
>> else says in order to feel superior and usually does nothing other
>> than show how clueless he actually is in the process.
>
>
> that's you to a T
>
Yeah, and how obvious could it get? Darren's a master of projection.
>
>>
>> Like his waffle about carburetors for example. A 1050cfm carburetor on
>> an engine of 360 cubic inches was a practical impossibility according
>> to him, yet Allan Moffat set pole position at Bathurst in 1972 with
>> *exactly* that combination. Then there's his *complete* failure to
>> comprehend the differences between boosted and unboosted brake systems :)
>>
>> Not surprisingly he sticks his fingers in his ears and "La-La-La's"
>> anything that proves him wrong. And this is an imbecile who claims he
>> was passing on knowledge to students? The imbecile who claims
>> "transferred experience" is a real thing? :)
>>
>>> Mind you he is ably assisted by the other fixated old cunts in here.
>>
>> What, you mean the licensed fucktard who can't tell the difference
>> between glass and plastic?
>>
>> Oddly enough, I thought the "Licensing system" in WA was supposed to
>> weed out the "woodducks".....
>>
>>
>

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 by: Clocky - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 15:32 UTC

On 19/12/2021 5:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/12/2021 8:31 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/12/21 6:20 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/12/2021 7:13 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 22:46:52 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip boring.
>>>>
>>>> Ahhhh Fraudster, you've done it again.
>>>>
>>>> Once more you've leapt into action to try and make some pissant,
>>>> incredibly
>>>> insignificant point, yet you won't provide any proof of any of your
>>>> stupendously grandiose claims.
>>>>
>>>> How about a few pix of the fabled NA of A?
>>>> Or your Grange collection?
>>>> Sunshine Coast property?
>>>> Qualifications?
>>>> Drag racing action shots?
>>>> Happy snaps from Japan and USA?
>>>
>>>
>>> or scan his trade certificates and post them. after all, they should
>>> be public info since he 'works' as a motor mechanic
>>>
>> As long as the number can be seen. Certificates can be faked, that
>> number cannot. A query to the relevant body will attach a *name* to
>> any number Darren supplies (should be 2 according to claims) or verify
>> a name/number combination. That's why I *know* he has no trade papers
>> of any sort. He'd have flashed them here and shot me down in flames
>> *in an instant* - if he could. But he can't. FFS, he even tried to
>> claim he did his auto machining training in-house at Repco. It was
>> Repco who was the prime mover behind the push to gazette auto
>> machining as a trade and set up a training facility for it. And you
>> think Repco wouldn't use such a facility once it was completed? Of
>> course they would - and did - and my teaching colleagues worked in
>> that department. This is the sort of detail where Darren comes unstuck
>> - you actually had to have been an auto machining apprentice to know
>> what went on in the training regime.
>
>
> yes, which is why his claims seem credible to those (like me) outside
> the industry , but not insiders like yourself.  :)
>
>

Or anyone who has completed an automotive trade apprenticeship, like me.

Ask yourself, how is it he pretends he 'remembers' the smallest details
from 30 years ago but has no idea on the apprenticeship process and what
is involved in earning a trade certificate?

It's most inconvenient for him that I did my apprenticeship only a few
years after he claims he did his and the course material and stages were
still the same as when he supposedly did his - but somehow he has no
idea about any of it. Xeno clicked onto this as well, unsurprisingly, as
he was a lecturer teaching it!

That there is no record of him completing an automotive mechanical
apprenticeship or his claimed 20 year membership of the VACC comes as no
surprise then.

Of course he will dispute this but then he won't post verifiable
evidence of his claims either... when he could instantly shut us down by
doing so. Gee I wonder why.

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 by: Clocky - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 15:42 UTC

On 20/12/2021 9:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 12:18 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:00:41 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/12/2021 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:39:31 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip bullshit
>>>>
>>>>>    I can remember when I used to service my old man's work vans.
>>>> snip more bullshit
>>>>
>>>>> This was on vans that would hit 400k km's over the course of a
>>>>> 3 year lease before he would off-load it and move onto the next one.
>>>> Couple of things here Fraudster.
>>>>
>>>> 1. As an unqualified wannabee, you would have voided the warranty by
>>>> servicing anything on a lease.
>>>> 2. 400km over a three year lease for an owner operator who,
>>>> according to
>>>> you, only ever advertised in the local paper?(a)
>>> maths was never noddy's forte. 400k klms a year is 11,111 klms a month,
>>> or 2,564 klms a week, or 365.30 klms a day. so traveling 365.30 klms @
>>> an average (say) 60 klms an hour would take 6 hours out of his working
>>> day. so where/when did he work? he would have spent most of his day
>>> driving to jobs, which would be very unusual for someone who only
>>> advertises locally and would therefore be working locally. the pile just
>>> keeps getting bigger..
>> Would you like to revise your opinion on the Fraudster's 'credible
>> claims'
>> now?
>>
>
> I didn't say all or any of his claims were credible, only that his
> stories (often) appear credible. and by 'credible' I meant they sounded
> like they were true or really happened. but of course some do smell like
> rotting fish.
>
>

The problem is that now you can never know if his story is true,
partially true, someone else' true story, something he read and modified
or something he made up entirely. He tells so many lies that it's simply
impossible to take anything he says on face value.

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:25:33 +1100, Noddy wrote:

snip trad arr
>
> A *perfect* teacher in fact. Big on theory, but utterly fucking hopeless
> when it came to practical effort.

As a Year 9 dropout you *definitely* don't have enough "practical"
experience to comment on teachers Fraudster. Fail.

alvey

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 by: alvey - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 19:53 UTC

On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:20:49 +1100, Noddy wrote:

snip Loserspeak.

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 22:24 UTC

On 21/12/2021 2:42 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 9:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 20/12/2021 12:18 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:00:41 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/12/2021 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:39:31 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> snip bullshit
>>>>>
>>>>>>    I can remember when I used to service my old man's work vans.
>>>>> snip more bullshit
>>>>>
>>>>>> This was on vans that would hit 400k km's over the course of a
>>>>>> 3 year lease before he would off-load it and move onto the next one.
>>>>> Couple of things here Fraudster.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. As an unqualified wannabee, you would have voided the warranty by
>>>>> servicing anything on a lease.
>>>>> 2. 400km over a three year lease for an owner operator who,
>>>>> according to
>>>>> you, only ever advertised in the local paper?(a)
>>>> maths was never noddy's forte. 400k klms a year is 11,111 klms a
>>>> month,
>>>> or 2,564 klms a week, or 365.30 klms a day. so traveling 365.30 klms @
>>>> an average (say) 60 klms an hour would take 6 hours out of his working
>>>> day. so where/when did he work? he would have spent most of his day
>>>> driving to jobs, which would be very unusual for someone who only
>>>> advertises locally and would therefore be working locally. the pile
>>>> just
>>>> keeps getting bigger..
>>> Would you like to revise your opinion on the Fraudster's 'credible
>>> claims'
>>> now?
>>>
>>
>> I didn't say all or any of his claims were credible, only that his
>> stories (often) appear credible. and by 'credible' I meant they
>> sounded like they were true or really happened. but of course some do
>> smell like rotting fish.
>>
>>
>
> The problem is that now you can never know if his story is true,
> partially true, someone else' true story, something he read and
> modified or something he made up entirely. He tells so many lies that
> it's simply impossible to take anything he says on face value.
>
>

definitely

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 by: Clocky - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:32 UTC

On 20/12/2021 10:25 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 12:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 20/12/21 11:17 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   *Insider?* cunt has *never* been one.!
>>
>> Never seen any evidence that showed Xeno has any qualifications.
>
> Me either, but apparently it's "proved" though. Just like all his claims
> about me being "proved" yet no one has ever seen any of that proof :)
>
>> Just another theory laden chalky.
>>
>> Very little hands experience that's for sure.
>
> Combined with zero ability.
>
> This is a bloke who reckons he had 8 jobs in 6 years as his "journeyman"
> period, which is a really cool way of saying that he was *so*
> incompetent that he couldn't hold a job down long enough to know where
> the toilets and lunchroom were.
>
> A *perfect* teacher in fact. Big on theory, but utterly fucking hopeless
> when it came to practical effort.
>
>
>
>

Really, so how is it that you're never been employed in the trade by
anyone for any length of time? Fucking around in your home sheltered
garage doesn't count and that's all you have ever done.

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 by: Clocky - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:33 UTC

On 20/12/2021 8:06 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 20/12/21 1:25 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 20/12/2021 12:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 20/12/21 11:17 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   *Insider?* cunt has *never* been one.!
>>>
>>> Never seen any evidence that showed Xeno has any qualifications.
>>
>> Me either, but apparently it's "proved" though. Just like all his
>> claims about me being "proved" yet no one has ever seen any of that
>> proof :)
>
> Certainly has and you *proved* why it was never put into your hot little
> hands.
>>
>>> Just another theory laden chalky.
>>>
>>> Very little hands experience that's for sure.
>>
>> Combined with zero ability.
>>
>> This is a bloke who reckons he had 8 jobs in 6 years as his
>> "journeyman" period, which is a really cool way of saying that he was
>> *so* incompetent that he couldn't hold a job down long enough to know
>> where the toilets and lunchroom were.
>>
>> A *perfect* teacher in fact. Big on theory, but utterly fucking
>> hopeless when it came to practical effort.
>
> You just keep showing that you never ever saw the inside of an
> apprentice trade classroom Darren. Especially one for motor mechanics in
> the 80s. No theory classrooms Darren, all prac work.
>
>

He just doesn't understand how obvious he makes it that he's never
completed an apprenticeship to those who have.

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On 20/12/2021 10:20 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 11:17 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, 19 December 2021 at 20:59:47 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> yes, which is why his claims seem credible to those (like me) outside
>>> the industry , but not insiders like yourself.  :)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   *Insider?* cunt has *never* been one.! Just another theory laden
>> chalky.
>
> Lol :) Is he ever? This is a bloke who carries on about being "extremely
> trade relevant"

No he doesn't. You have claimed you are qualified and all evidence
suggests you are not.

So prove it or be considered a fraud for ever more.

As for Jonz, he was too fucking stupid to complete an apprenticeship and
his only life achievement is a permanent rash from a steering wheel
rubbing on his fat guts.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 21 Dec 2021 01:07 UTC

On 21/12/21 2:32 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/12/2021 5:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/12/2021 8:31 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/12/21 6:20 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 19/12/2021 7:13 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 22:46:52 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> snip boring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahhhh Fraudster, you've done it again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once more you've leapt into action to try and make some pissant,
>>>>> incredibly
>>>>> insignificant point, yet you won't provide any proof of any of your
>>>>> stupendously grandiose claims.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about a few pix of the fabled NA of A?
>>>>> Or your Grange collection?
>>>>> Sunshine Coast property?
>>>>> Qualifications?
>>>>> Drag racing action shots?
>>>>> Happy snaps from Japan and USA?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> or scan his trade certificates and post them. after all, they should
>>>> be public info since he 'works' as a motor mechanic
>>>>
>>> As long as the number can be seen. Certificates can be faked, that
>>> number cannot. A query to the relevant body will attach a *name* to
>>> any number Darren supplies (should be 2 according to claims) or
>>> verify a name/number combination. That's why I *know* he has no trade
>>> papers of any sort. He'd have flashed them here and shot me down in
>>> flames *in an instant* - if he could. But he can't. FFS, he even
>>> tried to claim he did his auto machining training in-house at Repco.
>>> It was Repco who was the prime mover behind the push to gazette auto
>>> machining as a trade and set up a training facility for it. And you
>>> think Repco wouldn't use such a facility once it was completed? Of
>>> course they would - and did - and my teaching colleagues worked in
>>> that department. This is the sort of detail where Darren comes
>>> unstuck - you actually had to have been an auto machining apprentice
>>> to know what went on in the training regime.
>>
>>
>> yes, which is why his claims seem credible to those (like me) outside
>> the industry , but not insiders like yourself.  :)
>>
>>
>
> Or anyone who has completed an automotive trade apprenticeship, like me.
>
> Ask yourself, how is it he pretends he 'remembers' the smallest details
> from 30 years ago but has no idea on the apprenticeship process and what
> is involved in earning a trade certificate?

Yeah, when he waffles on about bored students in apprentice classes, all
he is really reflecting is *his own experience* in his secondary tech
school classes. Automotive apprentice classes in Victoria were all
combined theory/prac classes. No such an animal as a theory only
classroom.
>
> It's most inconvenient for him that I did my apprenticeship only a few
> years after he claims he did his and the course material and stages were
> still the same as when he supposedly did his - but somehow he has no
> idea about any of it. Xeno clicked onto this as well, unsurprisingly, as
> he was a lecturer teaching it!

Yes, made more evident by his decrying my use of the term *level* rather
than *year*. Once the automotive apprentice system moved to self paced
competency based classes, the concept of *year levels* went out the
window. An apprentice could be doing 2nd or 3rd year work in his first
year. If the apprentice was a tad slow, he could be doing 2nd year work
in the 3rd year. The levels were simply divided up into levels 1, 2 & 3.
Even the apprentice module (syllabus) books reflected levels rather than
years.

https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/3031412
https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1678953

The above were the revised editions. I started out with the earlier
editions dated 1978.

When Darren scoffed at my use of *levels*, it alerted me to the fact he
had never done any RPL, as he would have been required to do, and proved
to me that he had never set foot in an automotive apprentice class ever.
All the rubbish he waffled on with since has served to confirm it beyond
any doubt. *Every single apprentice* received the above linked module
books, small pocket book versions plus larger A4 versions. These books
enabled the apprentice to track their progress and allowed them to
confer with their employer as to what they were doing at TAFE and what
they were going to be doing in the future. What's more, the system
provided apprentices with the ability to jump to non-consecutive modules
in the book(s), nothing was lock step as in traditional classrooms.

Darren had no clue.
>
> That there is no record of him completing an automotive mechanical
> apprenticeship or his claimed 20 year membership of the VACC comes as no
> surprise then.

Nothing at PROV, nothing on the trade database, nothing at the college
archives. Oh, and no record of him as a member of the VACC as confirmed
by email.
>
> Of course he will dispute this but then he won't post verifiable
> evidence of his claims either... when he could instantly shut us down by
> doing so. Gee I wonder why.

No prizes for guessing, too easy. He won't post verifiable evidence
because he can't, pure and simple.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 21 Dec 2021 01:12 UTC

On 21/12/21 2:42 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 9:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 20/12/2021 12:18 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:00:41 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/12/2021 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:39:31 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> snip bullshit
>>>>>
>>>>>>    I can remember when I used to service my old man's work vans.
>>>>> snip more bullshit
>>>>>
>>>>>> This was on vans that would hit 400k km's over the course of a
>>>>>> 3 year lease before he would off-load it and move onto the next one.
>>>>> Couple of things here Fraudster.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. As an unqualified wannabee, you would have voided the warranty by
>>>>> servicing anything on a lease.
>>>>> 2. 400km over a three year lease for an owner operator who,
>>>>> according to
>>>>> you, only ever advertised in the local paper?(a)
>>>> maths was never noddy's forte. 400k klms a year is 11,111 klms a month,
>>>> or 2,564 klms a week, or 365.30 klms a day. so traveling 365.30 klms @
>>>> an average (say) 60 klms an hour would take 6 hours out of his working
>>>> day. so where/when did he work? he would have spent most of his day
>>>> driving to jobs, which would be very unusual for someone who only
>>>> advertises locally and would therefore be working locally. the pile
>>>> just
>>>> keeps getting bigger..
>>> Would you like to revise your opinion on the Fraudster's 'credible
>>> claims'
>>> now?
>>>
>>
>> I didn't say all or any of his claims were credible, only that his
>> stories (often) appear credible. and by 'credible' I meant they
>> sounded like they were true or really happened. but of course some do
>> smell like rotting fish.
>>
>>
>
> The problem is that now you can never know if his story is true,
> partially true, someone else' true story, something he read and modified
> or something he made up entirely. He tells so many lies that it's simply
> impossible to take anything he says on face value.
>
>
It's quite easy, really it is. You assume anything and everything he
posts is bullshit and lies *until* and *unless* he comes up with
irrefutable *hard evidence* to the contrary. In the case of him doing
something in his workshop, then nothing less than a *video* of the
entire process will suffice. Photos tell you nothing conclusive and can
be dummied up quite easily.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 21 Dec 2021 01:13 UTC

On 21/12/21 6:52 am, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:25:33 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
> snip trad arr
>>
>> A *perfect* teacher in fact. Big on theory, but utterly fucking hopeless
>> when it came to practical effort.
>
> As a Year 9 dropout you *definitely* don't have enough "practical"
> experience to comment on teachers Fraudster. Fail.
>
>
>
> alvey
>
Those poor teachers at Richmond Tech probably expected Darren to
*think*. Now that would have been a very hard ask.

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


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