On Sun, 29 May 2022 02:05:38 GMT, ~Ördög~ <Devil@Hell.org> wrote:

>> Ördög
>>
>>> Petz
>>>> Just curious is your "individual.net" server slow at connecting lately
>>>
>>> Just killfile it, Petz dear!
>>> Not worth the trouble accessing that cesspit, which is the very bullshit
>>> in that wet paper-bag (aka Rod Speed).
>>>
>> Been using individual myself for years.
>> It has gotten sometimes slow at retrieving messages.
>> Sometimes not?
>> At least for me.
>> WIN10 often does something screwy though.
>> the last week it was turning of my home network (folser sharing). Turned
>> out a bug in windows media dissabling it fixed the problem. This is a
>> forever screwy problem with WIN10 after "updates"
>>>
>Your problem. You are the one still using this Microsoft spy-ware that is
>masquerading as an operating system.
>
>Sane people use Debian Linux for servers and networks. :P
>
I just have a home network where my video collection is stored on
network drives and can be viewed by any TV or computer in house.
Works fine till Microsoft continues with their downgrades
--
Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money. #Sir Ronald Millar

All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
governments lie about everything.

On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
#Margaret Thatcher

Guns have ammunition, wombs have babies.

Overpopulation is death.

On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for
>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire, clergy
>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including the
>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in their
>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't believe in
>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans who will
>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>
>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or speak
>>>> for God.
>>>
>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être' for The
>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>
>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>
>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>> Pope Innocent III
>
>They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>because of the mess it makes in the town square.

The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>
>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>> Pope Boniface VIII
>
>They don't make them like that anymore.
>
>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>> together."
>> Pope Boniface VIII
>
>And its fine to fuck the altar boys.

Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
strange.
>
>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>> Pope Innocent III
>
>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which none is
>> saved."
>> Pope Innocent III
>
>They have backed off on that one too.
>
>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they
>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their
>> brethren in eternal fire."
>> Pope Gregory I
>
>Quite a while ago now.

How so?
>
>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
>
>No such animal.

Well it isn't a Pope.
>
>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the
>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure
>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of
>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in
>>>> your own eye?
>>>>
>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>
>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>
>> We all judge each other
>
>Not everyone does.

Most do.
>
>> but what I believe is important is this
>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to judge a
>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>
>You'll burn, boy.

LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.

On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>
>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>
>>They don't make them like that anymore.
>>
>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>> together."
>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>
>>And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>
> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>strange.
>
A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
Some stay till they die
>>
>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>> Pope Innocent III
>>
>
--
Petzl
Think of Christianity as Australia's immune system.
The Christian belief and fact is Moslems are deceived.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy;
Not confirmation of their delusions.
The recognized place of worship in a Christian Nation is a Christian Church.
Mosques are the recognized place of worship only in Moslem countries
Australia's only legally defined God is our Christian God whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ
Something as simple as denying Moslems a place to pray is all it takes to make them leave voluntarily and peacefully.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for
>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire, clergy
>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including the
>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in their
>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't believe in
>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans who
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or
>>>>> speak
>>>>> for God.
>>>>
>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être' for
>>>> The
>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>
>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>
>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>> Pope Innocent III
>>
>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.

> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"

It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.

>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>
>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>
>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>> together."
>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>
>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.

> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is strange.

Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.

The downside is that it will always attract poofters
and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.

>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>> Pope Innocent III
>>
>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which none is
>>> saved."
>>> Pope Innocent III
>>
>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>
>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they
>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their
>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>> Pope Gregory I
>>
>> Quite a while ago now.
>
> How so?

That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.

>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
>>
>> No such animal.
>
> Well it isn't a Pope.

Its not that black and white.

>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in
>>>>> the
>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure
>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of
>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in
>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>
>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>
>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>
>>> We all judge each other
>>
>> Not everyone does.
>
> Most do.

Irrelevant.

>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to judge a
>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>
>> You'll burn, boy.
>
> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.

That was a joke, Joyce.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>
>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>
>>>They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>
>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>> together."
>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>
>>>And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>
>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>strange.
>>
>A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>Some stay till they die

That isn't the point why can't they marry Jesus never said that was
a requirement to serve him.
>>>
>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>
>>

On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for
>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire, clergy
>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including the
>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in their
>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't believe in
>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans who
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or
>>>>>> speak
>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être' for
>>>>> The
>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>
>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>
>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>
>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>
>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>
>It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.

It never was theh RCC was founded on many Pagan principles and has
been a group of killers for centuries, they only stopped because
people rejected them continuing and if they tried it now people would
burn them to the ground.
>
>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>
>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>
>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>> together."
>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>
>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>
>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is strange.
>
>Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
>to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.

They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>
>The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.

That may be or just a lover.
>
>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>
>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which none is
>>>> saved."
>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>
>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>
>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they
>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their
>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>
>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>
>> How so?
>
>That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>
>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
>>>
>>> No such animal.
>>
>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>
>Its not that black and white.
>
>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure
>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of
>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in
>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>
>>>> We all judge each other
>>>
>>> Not everyone does.
>>
>> Most do.
>
>Irrelevant.
>
>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to judge a
>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>
>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>
>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>
>That was a joke, Joyce.

OK.

On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:58:41 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>>Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>>by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>
>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>>They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>
>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>> together."
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>>And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>
>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>strange.
>>>
>>A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>>Some stay till they die
>
> That isn't the point why can't they marry Jesus never said that was
>a requirement to serve him.
>
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years and his last year was AD 37.
wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."
>>>>
>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>
>>>
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

On Sun, 29 May 2022 16:02:19 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>
>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>
>>It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>
> It never was theh RCC was founded on many Pagan principles and has
>been a group of killers for centuries, they only stopped because
>people rejected them continuing and if they tried it now people would
>burn them to the ground.
>>
the RCC was founded on REMOVING many Pagan principles.
Before Constantinople there was a big growth in what was loosely
called Christian.
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:58:41 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>> Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>> by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>
>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>
>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>> together."
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>
>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>> strange.
>>>
>> A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>> Some stay till they die

> That isn't the point why can't they marry

Because the roman catholic church has decided
that they do a better job if they aren't married and
the church doesn't have to pay for a family.

> Jesus never said that was
> a requirement to serve him.

That fool said nothing about all sorts of stuff the roman
catholic church requires of its stupid adherants like
church services, confession, no contraception, eating
fish on fridays, fucking children, having a pope or even
having priests and nuns.

>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>

On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for
>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire, clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't believe
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans who
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or
>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être' for
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>
>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>
>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>
>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.

> It never was

Wrong.

> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles

No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
principles apart from a few like marriage etc.

> and has been a group of killers for centuries,

Just like most religions.

> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing

That's wrong too.

> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.

Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.

>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>
>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>> together."
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>
>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is strange.
>>
>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.

> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.

Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.

>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.

> That may be or just a lover.

Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.

>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>
>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which none is
>>>>> saved."
>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>
>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>
>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they
>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their
>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>
>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>
>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
>>>>
>>>> No such animal.
>>>
>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>
>> Its not that black and white.
>>
>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure
>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in
>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>
>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>
>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>
>>> Most do.
>>
>> Irrelevant.
>>
>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to judge a
>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>
>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>
>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>
> OK.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:05:27 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:58:41 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>>>Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>>>by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>>They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>> together."
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>>And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>
>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>strange.
>>>>
>>>A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>>>Some stay till they die
>>
>> That isn't the point why can't they marry Jesus never said that was
>>a requirement to serve him.
>>
>Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
>his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
>make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
>them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Those two verses say Jesus had the authority they do not say that
the authority was passed on to the RCC.
>
>Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years and his last year was AD 37.
>wrote:
>"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
>Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
>the religion of Christ."
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>
>>>>

On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:37:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:58:41 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>>> Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>>> by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>> together."
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>
>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>> strange.
>>>>
>>> A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>>> Some stay till they die
>
>> That isn't the point why can't they marry
>
>Because the roman catholic church has decided
>that they do a better job if they aren't married and
>the church doesn't have to pay for a family.

I suspect it was because of the latter. They have been shown over
the centuries to be a greedy cult.
>
>> Jesus never said that was
>> a requirement to serve him.
>
>That fool said nothing about all sorts of stuff the roman
>catholic church requires of its stupid adherants like
>church services, confession, no contraception, eating
>fish on fridays, fucking children, having a pope or even
>having priests and nuns.

True.
>
>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>

On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:16:28 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 May 2022 16:02:19 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>
>>>It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>
>> It never was theh RCC was founded on many Pagan principles and has
>>been a group of killers for centuries, they only stopped because
>>people rejected them continuing and if they tried it now people would
>>burn them to the ground.
>>>
>the RCC was founded on REMOVING many Pagan principles.
>Before Constantinople there was a big growth in what was loosely
>called Christian.

Who gave them the right to murder for what they called heresy?

On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire, clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't believe
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans who
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or
>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être' for
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>
>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>
>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>
>> It never was
>
>Wrong.
>
>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>
>No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>principles apart from a few like marriage etc.

You are so full of shit here it isn't funny. Even the outfits the
Popes wore, even the Popes title, even the day they claimed Jesus was
born. Then there is communion. Theh list goes on.
>
>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>
>Just like most religions.

And that of atheist. Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>
>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>
>That's wrong too.
>
>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>
>Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.

Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>
>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>> together."
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>
>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is strange.
>>>
>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>
>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>
>Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>
>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>
>> That may be or just a lover.
>
>Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.

Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception rule.
>
>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which none is
>>>>>> saved."
>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>
>>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they
>>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their
>>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>>
>>>> How so?
>>>
>>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>>
>>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
>>>>>
>>>>> No such animal.
>>>>
>>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>>
>>> Its not that black and white.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure
>>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in
>>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>>
>>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>>
>>>> Most do.
>>>
>>> Irrelevant.
>>>
>>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
>>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to judge a
>>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>>
>>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>>
>> OK.

On Sun, 29 May 2022 20:37:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:05:27 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:58:41 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>
>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>>>>Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>>>>by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>strange.
>>>>>
>>>>A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>>>>Some stay till they die
>>>
>>> That isn't the point why can't they marry Jesus never said that was
>>>a requirement to serve him.
>>>
>>Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
>>his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
>>make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
>>them (Matthew 28:18–20).
>
> Those two verses say Jesus had the authority they do not say that
>the authority was passed on to the RCC.

The RCC came over 300 years later to try to legitimize and put order
into Christianity
>>
>>Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years and his last year was AD 37.
>>wrote:
>>"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
>>Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
>>the religion of Christ."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>
>>>>>
--
Petzl
WARNING
Drunks Homosexuals Adulters Liars Fornicators Thieves Atheists
Idolaters
HELL AWAITS YOU
REPENT!
[Then the way out New Testament]
Only Jesus Saves

Jesus Christ as the only way to heaven (John 10:28)

On Sun, 29 May 2022 20:39:54 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:16:28 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 16:02:19 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>
>>>>It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>
>>> It never was theh RCC was founded on many Pagan principles and has
>>>been a group of killers for centuries, they only stopped because
>>>people rejected them continuing and if they tried it now people would
>>>burn them to the ground.
>>>>
>>the RCC was founded on REMOVING many Pagan principles.
>>Before Constantinople there was a big growth in what was loosely
>>called Christian.
>
> Who gave them the right to murder for what they called heresy?
>
You are stuck on a false theme, Moslems were operating as 5th
Columnists within Christian countries. The Monarchy of these countries
wanted Islam purged from it.
you might like this link?
https://tinyurl.com/2jryldyc
pictures of Hitler with the Pope
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:39:08 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:37:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:58:41 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>>>> Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>>>> by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the
>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>> strange.
>>>>>
>>>> A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>>>> Some stay till they die
>>
>>> That isn't the point why can't they marry
>>
>> Because the roman catholic church has decided
>> that they do a better job if they aren't married and
>> the church doesn't have to pay for a family.

> I suspect it was because of the latter.

I know that it is both. It is clear that single priests have
a lot more time on their hands, they can only rape the
altar boys after the mass etc.

> They have been shown over the centuries to be a greedy cult.

All religions are. Parasites on society. Atheists arent.

>>> Jesus never said that was
>>> a requirement to serve him.
>>
>> That fool said nothing about all sorts of stuff the roman
>> catholic church requires of its stupid adherants like
>> church services, confession, no contraception, eating
>> fish on fridays, fucking children, having a pope or even
>> having priests and nuns.
>
> True.
>>
>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III

On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire, clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans who
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or
>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être'
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>
>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>
>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>
>>> It never was
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>
>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.

> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.

We'll see who that is true of...

> Even the outfits the Popes wore,

Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.

> even the Popes title,

Bullshit.

> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.

That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.

> Then there is communion.

Fuck all pagans have anything like that.

> Theh list goes on.

Bullshit it does.

>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>
>> Just like most religions.
>
> And that of atheist.

Nope, few atheists kill anyone.

> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.

Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
kill because they are imposing their approach
to how things are done like collectives etc.

>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>
>> That's wrong too.
>>
>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>>
>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.

> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.

Not because the RCC burned heretics.

>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the
>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is strange.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>>
>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>
>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>
>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>
>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>
>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.

On Monday, 30 May 2022 at 15:43:52 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> > <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >>>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
> >>>>>>> <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
> >>>>>>>>> <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
> >>>>>>>>>>> <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire, clergy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in
> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>> believe
> >>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans who
> >>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
> >>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or
> >>>>>>>>> speak
> >>>>>>>>> for God.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être'
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
> >>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
> >>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
> >>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
> >>>>
> >>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
> >>>>
> >>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
> >>
> >>> It never was
> >>
> >> Wrong.
> >>
> >>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
> >>
> >> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
> >> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
> >> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>
> > You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
> We'll see who that is true of...
> > Even the outfits the Popes wore,
> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>
> > even the Popes title,
>
> Bullshit.
> > even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>
> > Then there is communion.
>
> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>
> > Theh list goes on.
>
> Bullshit it does.
> >>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
> >>
> >> Just like most religions.
> >
> > And that of atheist.
> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
> > Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
> kill because they are imposing their approach
> to how things are done like collectives etc.

They kill because they are atheists, thus with no absolute moral checks, no concern for any position in the afterlife, no commandments to follow, no good guidance, in addition to being cold-heated and unscrupulous brainwashed robotic types who got the chance to kill; or hapless people who kill because they will be killed if they do not kill.

> >>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
> >>
> >> That's wrong too.
> >>
> >>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
> >>
> >> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>
> > Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
> Not because the RCC burned heretics.
> >>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the
> >>>>>>> Roman
> >>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
> >>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
> >>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
> >>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
> >>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
> >>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
> >>>>>>> together."
> >>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is strange.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
> >>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
> >>
> >>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
> >>
> >> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
> >> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
> >> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
> >> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
> >> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
> >>
> >>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
> >>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
> >>
> >>> That may be or just a lover.
> >>
> >> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
> >> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>
> > Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception rule.
> Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.
> >>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
> >>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
> >>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which none
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> saved."
> >>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they
> >>>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their
> >>>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
> >>>>>>> Pope Gregory I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Quite a while ago now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How so?
> >>>>
> >>>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
> >>>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No such animal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
> >>>>
> >>>> Its not that black and white.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the
> >>>>>>>>> measure
> >>>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the
> >>>>>>>>> speck
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> your own eye?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We all judge each other
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not everyone does.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most do.
> >>>>
> >>>> Irrelevant.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
> >>>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
> >>>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to judge a
> >>>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You'll burn, boy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
> >>>>
> >>>> That was a joke, Joyce.
> >>>
> >>> OK.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 00:55:01 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> Just like most religions.
>> >
>> > And that of atheist.
>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>> > Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>
>They kill because they are atheists, thus with no absolute moral
>checks, no concern for any position in the afterlife, no commandments
>to follow, no good guidance, in addition to being cold-heated and
>unscrupulous brainwashed robotic types who got the chance to kill;
>or hapless people who kill because they will be killed if they do not
>kill
>
Well said
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Mon, 30 May 2022 17:55:01 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 30 May 2022 at 15:43:52 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> > <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >>>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>> >>>>>>> <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>> >>>>>>>>> <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation
>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband
>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>> clergy
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household,
>> including
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe
>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> their
>> >>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>> >>>>>>>>>> believe
>> >>>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans
>> who
>> >>>>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>> >>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or
>> >>>>>>>>> speak
>> >>>>>>>>> for God.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison
>> d'être'
>> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>> The
>> >>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>> >>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>> >>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>> >>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>> >>
>> >>> It never was
>> >>
>> >> Wrong.
>> >>
>> >>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>> >>
>> >> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>> >> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>> >> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>
>> > You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>> We'll see who that is true of...
>> > Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>
>> > even the Popes title,
>>
>> Bullshit.
>> > even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>
>> > Then there is communion.
>>
>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>
>> > Theh list goes on.
>>
>> Bullshit it does.
>> >>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>> >>
>> >> Just like most religions.
>> >
>> > And that of atheist.
>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>> > Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>> to how things are done like collectives etc.

> They kill because they are atheists, thus with no absolute moral checks,
> no concern for any position in the afterlife, no commandments to follow,
> no good guidance,

Corse none of you god botherers have ever killed anyone, eh ?

< in addition to being cold-heated and unscrupulous
> brainwashed robotic types who got the chance to kill; or hapless people
> who kill because they will be killed if they do not kill.

Corse none of you god botherers have ever killed anyone, eh ?

On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:16:52 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 00:55:01 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> >> Just like most religions.
>>> >
>>> > And that of atheist.
>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>> > Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>
>> They kill because they are atheists, thus with no absolute moral
>> checks, no concern for any position in the afterlife, no commandments
>> to follow, no good guidance, in addition to being cold-heated and
>> unscrupulous brainwashed robotic types who got the chance to kill;
>> or hapless people who kill because they will be killed if they do not
>> kill
>>
> Well said

Bullshit.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:52:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 May 2022 20:37:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:05:27 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:58:41 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>
>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>>>>>Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>>>>>by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>strange.
>>>>>>
>>>>>A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>>>>>Some stay till they die
>>>>
>>>> That isn't the point why can't they marry Jesus never said that was
>>>>a requirement to serve him.
>>>>
>>>Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
>>>his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
>>>make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
>>>them (Matthew 28:18–20).
>>
>> Those two verses say Jesus had the authority they do not say that
>>the authority was passed on to the RCC.
>
>The RCC came over 300 years later to try to legitimize and put order
>into Christianity

True and militarize it. Murder, deceit, and evil is what founded
the RCC.
>>>
>>>Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years and his last year was AD 37.
>>>wrote:
>>>"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
>>>Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
>>>the religion of Christ."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:58:23 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 May 2022 20:39:54 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:16:28 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 16:02:19 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>
>>>>>It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>
>>>> It never was theh RCC was founded on many Pagan principles and has
>>>>been a group of killers for centuries, they only stopped because
>>>>people rejected them continuing and if they tried it now people would
>>>>burn them to the ground.
>>>>>
>>>the RCC was founded on REMOVING many Pagan principles.
>>>Before Constantinople there was a big growth in what was loosely
>>>called Christian.
>>
>> Who gave them the right to murder for what they called heresy?
>>
>You are stuck on a false theme, Moslems were operating as 5th
>Columnists within Christian countries. The Monarchy of these countries
>wanted Islam purged from it.

Catharism was one Christian target as were the Waldensians, then
they went after the Jews and people who converted to Christianity.

Muslims by definition were not heretics. The Code of Justinian says
heresy is "everyone who is not devoted to the Catholic Church and to
our Orthodox holy Faith" a heretic.

>you might like this link?
>https://tinyurl.com/2jryldyc
>pictures of Hitler with the Pope

Hitler was a Catholic.