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* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
| `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|  `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|   `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|    `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|     `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|      `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|       `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        |+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsTweed
|        ||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsTweed
|        || |`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsSam Wilson
|        || | |+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | ||+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || | |||+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMarland
|        || | ||||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || | |||| +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || | |||| |`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || | |||| | `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || | |||| `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsArthur Figgis
|        || | |||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | ||| `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || | |||  `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | |||   +- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || | |||   `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || | |||    `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | |||     `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || | |||      `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | |||       `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || | |||        `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | |||         `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || | |||          `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | ||+- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
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|        || | ||||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || | |||| `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || | ||||  `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || | ||||   `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || | ||||    +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || | ||||    |`- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsTweed
|        || | ||||    `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || | ||||     `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || | |||+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        || | ||||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMarland
|        || | |||| `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || | |||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMB
|        || | ||| `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || | ||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsSam Wilson
|        || | || `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || | ||  +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        || | ||  |`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || | ||  | `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        || | ||  |  `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCoffee
|        || | ||  `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsSam Wilson
|        || | ||   +- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || | ||   `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || | ||    `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        || | |+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        || | ||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | || `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        || | ||  `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | |`- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsArthur Figgis
|        || | +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || | |`- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || | `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        || `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        |+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsAlan Jones
|        ||+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsAlan Jones
|        |||`- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        ||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || |`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || | `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || |  +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || |  |`- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || |  `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || |   `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || |    `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || |     `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsBevan Price
|        || |      `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsNobody
|        || +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || |+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || ||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || || +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || || |+* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || || ||`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || || || `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || || ||  +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || || ||  |`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || || ||  | `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || || ||  |  `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || || ||  |   `- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || || ||  `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsSam Wilson
|        || || ||   `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || || ||    `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMuttley
|        || || ||     +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
|        || || ||     +* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || || ||     `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsCharles Ellson
|        || || |`- Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsGraeme Wall
|        || || `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMarland
|        || |`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMB
|        || `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsAlan Jones
|        |`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRoland Perry
|        `* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsRecliner
`* Gove attacks rail pension fund over dangerous cladding at flatsMarland

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From: new...@hartig-mantel.de (Rolf Mantel)
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 by: Rolf Mantel - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 11:21 UTC

Am 12.04.2023 um 21:28 schrieb Muttley@dastardlyhq.com:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:38:38 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You're the one who's confused:
>
> Nope.
>
>> UN geoscheme classification
>
> The UN are full of shit in most areas.
>
>> In the UN geoscheme, the following countries are classified as Northern
>> Europe:
>>
>> Denmark
>> Estonia
>> Finland
>> Iceland
>> Ireland
>> Latvia
>> Lithuania
>> Norway
>> Sweden
>> United Kingdom
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Europe
>
> The netherlands all of which is further north than the english south
> coast isn't included yet the channel islands are. Says it all.

Europe being split into four parts, you need to randomly chose whether
the North-West should be in the North or the West and whether the
South-West should be South or West. The only easy decision at the time
of defining those regions was 'Eastern Europe is everything behind the
Iron Curtain'.

France, the Netherlands, Germany, Austria and a few others are
classified as 'Western Europe' despite being a lot further east than
Ireland and Portugal which are not classified as 'Western Europe'.

Rolf

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 by: Rolf Mantel - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 11:37 UTC

Am 12.04.2023 um 21:28 schrieb Muttley@dastardlyhq.com:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:38:38 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You're the one who's confused:
>
> Nope.
>
>> UN geoscheme classification
>
> The UN are full of shit in most areas.
>
>> In the UN geoscheme, the following countries are classified as Northern
>> Europe:
>>
>> Denmark
>> Estonia
>> Finland
>> Iceland
>> Ireland
>> Latvia
>> Lithuania
>> Norway
>> Sweden
>> United Kingdom
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Europe
>
> The netherlands all of which is further north than the english south
> coast isn't included yet the channel islands are. Says it all.

Europe being split into four parts, you need to randomly chose whether
the North-West should be in the North or the West and whether the
South-West should be South or West. The only easy decision at the time
of defining those regions was 'Eastern Europe is everything behind the
Iron Curtain'.

France, the Netherlands, Germany, Austria and a few others are
classified as 'Western Europe' despite being a lot further east than
Ireland and Portugal which are not classified as 'Western Europe'.

Rolf

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 by: Recliner - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:11 UTC

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 20:35:49 -0000 (UTC)
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:38:38 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> You're the one who's confused:
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> UN geoscheme classification
>>>
>>> The UN are full of shit in most areas.
>>
>>The UN knows a lot more about international matters than someone like you,
>>who doesn't travel outside his immediate vicinity. How many actual northern
>>European countries have you ever visited?
>
>3 in the last 4 days. Oh wait, you wouldn't think they're in northern
>europe.

So you've not actually been to (m)any countries in northern Europe, other than the UK?

>
>>> If france is a med country then spain is an african one. Far more of the
>>> french coast borders the channel than the med and thats before you include
>>> its west coast.
>>
>>Nobody except you thinks that France is in Northern Europe.
>
>Go tell the normans or bretons that they live in the med.

They don't. But they also don't live in northern Europe.

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From: rai...@greywall.demon.co.uk (Graeme Wall)
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 by: Graeme Wall - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 14:35 UTC

On 13/04/2023 13:11, Recliner wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 20:35:49 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:38:38 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> You're the one who's confused:
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> UN geoscheme classification
>>>>
>>>> The UN are full of shit in most areas.
>>>
>>> The UN knows a lot more about international matters than someone like you,
>>> who doesn't travel outside his immediate vicinity. How many actual northern
>>> European countries have you ever visited?
>>
>> 3 in the last 4 days. Oh wait, you wouldn't think they're in northern
>> europe.
>
> So you've not actually been to (m)any countries in northern Europe, other than the UK?
>
>>
>>>> If france is a med country then spain is an african one. Far more of the
>>>> french coast borders the channel than the med and thats before you include
>>>> its west coast.
>>>
>>> Nobody except you thinks that France is in Northern Europe.
>>
>> Go tell the normans or bretons that they live in the med.
>
> They don't. But they also don't live in northern Europe.

Some Normans do live in the Med.
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 by: Graeme Wall - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 16:35 UTC

On 13/04/2023 17:32, Marland wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> And the Falklands are?
>>>
>>
>> Not part of metropolitan Britain.
>
> Neither is Aylesbury since 1961.
>

Can't see us sending a task force to retake Aylesbury.

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 by: Marland - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 16:40 UTC

Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 17:18:15 -0700, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

>>> Not the primary beverages of the region.
>>
>> Tea is grown in the Ewe Kay?
>
> Of course. https://tregothnan.co.uk/
>>

They are bit disingenuous with the strap line though seeing as the retailed
product is blended with Indian, and some of the Natives will be a bit
aggrieved with the “Grown in England “ part as they feel
Cornwall should be regarded as a separate entity .

GH

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 by: Marland - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 16:32 UTC

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>> And the Falklands are?
>>
>
> Not part of metropolitan Britain.

Neither is Aylesbury since 1961.

GH

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 by: Arthur Figgis - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 16:55 UTC

On 12/04/2023 20:28, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

> The netherlands all of which is further north than the english south
> coast

Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba are parts of the Netherlands south of
the English south coast.

--
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 by: Graham Nye - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 17:12 UTC

On 2023-04-13 17:55:29, Arthur Figgis wrote:
> On 12/04/2023 20:28, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>> The netherlands all of which is further north than the english south
>> coast
>
> Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba are parts of the Netherlands south of
> the English south coast.

Mount Scenery in Saba is also the highest point in the Netherlands at
887 m (2,910 ft).

Always handy for a pub quiz or, as in the case of this snippet,
University Challenge.

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news(a)thenyes.org.uk

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 by: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 18:00 UTC

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:11:17 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>3 in the last 4 days. Oh wait, you wouldn't think they're in northern
>>europe.
>
>So you've not actually been to (m)any countries in northern Europe, other than
>the UK?

Why do you care? Should I have visited antartica before I can claim its at
the south pole?

>>>> If france is a med country then spain is an african one. Far more of the
>>>> french coast borders the channel than the med and thats before you include
>>>> its west coast.
>>>
>>>Nobody except you thinks that France is in Northern Europe.
>>
>>Go tell the normans or bretons that they live in the med.
>
>They don't. But they also don't live in northern Europe.

Then where do they live?

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 by: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 18:03 UTC

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:21:12 +0200
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>Am 12.04.2023 um 21:28 schrieb Muttley@dastardlyhq.com:
>> The netherlands all of which is further north than the english south
>> coast isn't included yet the channel islands are. Says it all.
>
>Europe being split into four parts, you need to randomly chose whether
>the North-West should be in the North or the West and whether the
>South-West should be South or West. The only easy decision at the time
>of defining those regions was 'Eastern Europe is everything behind the
>Iron Curtain'.

There seems to be some rule that geography has to be by political borders.
Northern france is in northern europe regardless of whether the south is.

>France, the Netherlands, Germany, Austria and a few others are
>classified as 'Western Europe' despite being a lot further east than
>Ireland and Portugal which are not classified as 'Western Europe'.

According to one definition scotland isn't in northern europe either so
its all fairly random really.

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 by: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 18:04 UTC

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 15:35:02 +0100
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 13/04/2023 13:11, Recliner wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> They don't. But they also don't live in northern Europe.
>
>Some Normans do live in the Med.

I'm not sure you'd still call them normans after 900 years and god knows
how many generations in sicily.

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 by: Marland - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:17 UTC

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/04/2023 17:32, Marland wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> And the Falklands are?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not part of metropolitan Britain.
>>
>> Neither is Aylesbury since 1961.
>>
>
> Can't see us sending a task force to retake Aylesbury.
>

They might have to Duck and Cover.

GH

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 by: Recliner - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 21:21 UTC

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:11:17 +0100
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> 3 in the last 4 days. Oh wait, you wouldn't think they're in northern
>>> europe.
>>
>> So you've not actually been to (m)any countries in northern Europe, other than
>> the UK?
>
> Why do you care? Should I have visited antartica before I can claim its at
> the south pole?

Most of Antarctica is a long way from the South Pole. I've been to
Antarctica, but haven't crossed the Antarctic Circle.

>
>>>>> If france is a med country then spain is an african one. Far more of the
>>>>> french coast borders the channel than the med and thats before you include
>>>>> its west coast.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody except you thinks that France is in Northern Europe.
>>>
>>> Go tell the normans or bretons that they live in the med.
>>
>> They don't. But they also don't live in northern Europe.
>
> Then where do they live?

Western Europe.

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 by: Recliner - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 21:21 UTC

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:21:12 +0200
> Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>> Am 12.04.2023 um 21:28 schrieb Muttley@dastardlyhq.com:
>>> The netherlands all of which is further north than the english south
>>> coast isn't included yet the channel islands are. Says it all.
>>
>> Europe being split into four parts, you need to randomly chose whether
>> the North-West should be in the North or the West and whether the
>> South-West should be South or West. The only easy decision at the time
>> of defining those regions was 'Eastern Europe is everything behind the
>> Iron Curtain'.
>
> There seems to be some rule that geography has to be by political borders.
> Northern france is in northern europe regardless of whether the south is.
>
>> France, the Netherlands, Germany, Austria and a few others are
>> classified as 'Western Europe' despite being a lot further east than
>> Ireland and Portugal which are not classified as 'Western Europe'.
>
> According to one definition scotland isn't in northern europe either so
> its all fairly random really.
>

No, not random, just too complicated for you to understand.

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 by: Nobody - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 22:39 UTC

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 09:00:57 +0100, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 13/04/2023 01:46, Nobody wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 21:01:43 +0100, Graeme Wall
>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/04/2023 20:31, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 19:55:57 +0100
>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:03:11 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 20:52:35 +0100
>>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 15:56:33 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Or <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase>?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are around two million people in New England with French
>>>>>>> ancestry whose ancestors moved from Canada in the 19th and early 20th
>>>>>>> centuries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which part of france being northern european is confusing you people?
>>>>>>
>>>>> North America (St Pierre et Miquelon) and the Caribbean (Guadeloupe)
>>>>> are not in Northern Europe.
>>>>
>>>> And the Falklands are?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not part of metropolitan Britain.
>>
>> The metropolis of Stanley... hmm... with three pubs, one of which ran
>> out of beer.
>
>Inspiration for the song?

Given the Stanley sans-suds situation occurred during my visit in
March 2014, the song had to have arisen from another situation whereby
Slim Dusty breathed fear into all elbow-benders, Orstralian or
otherwise!

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 by: Charles Ellson - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:46 UTC

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:13:29 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
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>On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 00:13:25 +0100
>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 19:31:06 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 19:55:57 +0100
>>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:03:11 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 20:52:35 +0100
>>>>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 15:56:33 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>>><ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>Or <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase>?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are around two million people in New England with French
>>>>>>ancestry whose ancestors moved from Canada in the 19th and early 20th
>>>>>>centuries.
>>>>>
>>>>>which part of france being northern european is confusing you people?
>>>>>
>>>>North America (St Pierre et Miquelon) and the Caribbean (Guadeloupe)
>>>>are not in Northern Europe.
>>>
>>>And the Falklands are?
>>>
>>The Falkland Islands are not part of the UK. A UK overseas territory
>>does not relate to the UK in the same manner that a French overseas
>>territory relates to the French Republic.
>
>So which of the french territories you mentioned are in the med?
>
Did anyone say they were?

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 by: Recliner - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:50 UTC

Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 21:01:43 +0100, Graeme Wall
> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 12/04/2023 20:31, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 19:55:57 +0100
>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:03:11 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 20:52:35 +0100
>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 15:56:33 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Or <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase>?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are around two million people in New England with French
>>>>>> ancestry whose ancestors moved from Canada in the 19th and early 20th
>>>>>> centuries.
>>>>>
>>>>> which part of france being northern european is confusing you people?
>>>>>
>>>> North America (St Pierre et Miquelon) and the Caribbean (Guadeloupe)
>>>> are not in Northern Europe.
>>>
>>> And the Falklands are?
>>>
>>
>> Not part of metropolitan Britain.
>
> The metropolis of Stanley... hmm... with three pubs, one of which ran
> out of beer.
>

I'm sure the Malvina House Hotel bar could have sold you a pint (were you
staying there?).

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 by: Nobody - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 01:04 UTC

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:50:33 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 21:01:43 +0100, Graeme Wall
>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/04/2023 20:31, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 19:55:57 +0100
>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:03:11 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 20:52:35 +0100
>>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 15:56:33 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Or <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase>?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are around two million people in New England with French
>>>>>>> ancestry whose ancestors moved from Canada in the 19th and early 20th
>>>>>>> centuries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which part of france being northern european is confusing you people?
>>>>>>
>>>>> North America (St Pierre et Miquelon) and the Caribbean (Guadeloupe)
>>>>> are not in Northern Europe.
>>>>
>>>> And the Falklands are?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not part of metropolitan Britain.
>>
>> The metropolis of Stanley... hmm... with three pubs, one of which ran
>> out of beer.
>>
>
>I'm sure the Malvina House Hotel bar could have sold you a pint (were you
>staying there?).
>
><https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/7152237563/in/album-72157629986532633/lightbox/>

<guffaw> As a cruise passenger I don't fink I'd have been *staying*
anywhere.

Sir, you REALLY are becoming as much an argumentative, nit-picking
whatever as whoever in wherever in a flat piece of real estate at the
opposite end of a uni canoe race naming oxford shoes...

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 by: Recliner - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 01:31 UTC

Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:50:33 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 21:01:43 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/04/2023 20:31, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 19:55:57 +0100
>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:03:11 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 20:52:35 +0100
>>>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 15:56:33 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Or <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase>?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are around two million people in New England with French
>>>>>>>> ancestry whose ancestors moved from Canada in the 19th and early 20th
>>>>>>>> centuries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which part of france being northern european is confusing you people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> North America (St Pierre et Miquelon) and the Caribbean (Guadeloupe)
>>>>>> are not in Northern Europe.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the Falklands are?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not part of metropolitan Britain.
>>>
>>> The metropolis of Stanley... hmm... with three pubs, one of which ran
>>> out of beer.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure the Malvina House Hotel bar could have sold you a pint (were you
>> staying there?).
>>
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/7152237563/in/album-72157629986532633/lightbox/>
>
> <guffaw> As a cruise passenger I don't fink I'd have been *staying*
> anywhere.

Some people spend longer there before boasting of their visit. I'm sorry if
I mistakenly gave you the credit for being one of them.

>
> Sir, you REALLY are becoming as much an argumentative, nit-picking
> whatever as whoever in wherever in a flat piece of real estate at the
> opposite end of a uni canoe race naming oxford shoes...
>

I was simply helpfully mentioning that Stanley has more than three bars, if
anyone happens to be at a loose end there. Why the aggressive response?

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 by: Rolf Mantel - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 07:48 UTC

Am 13.04.2023 um 20:04 schrieb Muttley@dastardlyhq.com:
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 15:35:02 +0100 Graeme Wall
> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/04/2023 13:11, Recliner wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>> wrote: They don't. But they also don't live in northern Europe.
>>
>> Some Normans do live in the Med.
>
> I'm not sure you'd still call them normans after 900 years and god
> knows how many generations in sicily.

By the same account as calling those in Rouen Normans. In both cases, a
few hundred Normans setted down 1000 years ago and mingled with the
local population.

Rolf

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 by: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com - Sat, 15 Apr 2023 08:55 UTC

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:48:42 +0200
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>Am 13.04.2023 um 20:04 schrieb Muttley@dastardlyhq.com:
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 15:35:02 +0100 Graeme Wall
>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2023 13:11, Recliner wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>> wrote: They don't. But they also don't live in northern Europe.
>>>
>>> Some Normans do live in the Med.
>>
>> I'm not sure you'd still call them normans after 900 years and god
>> knows how many generations in sicily.
>
>By the same account as calling those in Rouen Normans. In both cases, a
>few hundred Normans setted down 1000 years ago and mingled with the
>local population.

If someone was born in normandy then "norman" is probably a good way of
describing them.

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 by: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com - Sat, 15 Apr 2023 08:58 UTC

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 21:21:24 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:11:17 +0100
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> 3 in the last 4 days. Oh wait, you wouldn't think they're in northern
>>>> europe.
>>>
>>> So you've not actually been to (m)any countries in northern Europe, other
>than
>>> the UK?
>>
>> Why do you care? Should I have visited antartica before I can claim its at
>> the south pole?
>
>Most of Antarctica is a long way from the South Pole. I've been to

Calais is a long way from the med.

>Antarctica, but haven't crossed the Antarctic Circle.

Oh dear, I'm sure you'll cope.

>>> They don't. But they also don't live in northern Europe.
>>
>> Then where do they live?
>
>Western Europe.

So is Stanmore in west london?

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 by: Roland Perry - Sat, 15 Apr 2023 10:16 UTC

In message <u1doqi$1vh0o$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:46 on Sat, 15 Apr
2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:

>If someone was born in normandy then "norman" is probably a good way of
>describing them.

I had a colleague once, a Mr Church. And if that wasn't bad enough, his
parent's really had christened him "Norman".
--
Roland Perry

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>2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>
>>If someone was born in normandy then "norman" is probably a good way of
>>describing them.
>
>I had a colleague once, a Mr Church. And if that wasn't bad enough, his
>parent's really had christened him "Norman".

Parents like that really need a good slap. Whats cute and funny in the
maternity ward is very far from amusing when the kid is a teenager at school
getting bullied.

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