On 04/06/2022 in message <jg1fapFeoh2U2@mid.individual.net> williamwright
wrote:

>On 04/06/2022 15:00, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>You sound a bit bonkers.
>>>
>>>Bill
>>
>>As do you sometimes
>
>Yes but I'm certified so I can.
>
>Bill

:-)

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On 04/06/2022 in message <59f34d8606noise@audiomisc.co.uk> Jim Lesurf wrote:

>In article <xn0nips719xaos900h@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
><jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>So it was him and not Boris who destroyed the UK economy?
>
>>Garbage. There are many outside factors affecting the economy and we are
>>now free to take our own action to deal with them.
>
>Erm... Well when it comes to factors like trade our 'freedom' has to also
>deal with the other countries having their own 'freedom' to require
>different conditions of trade to us. e.g. - the USA's wish to extend patent
>cash income for drugs sold to the NHS by their big pharma lobby, thus
>hiking the costs of care in the UK. You may have noticed that the USA is
>bigger than the UK, so it may be a challenge for us to fulfill our
>'freedom' to refuse this while getting the level of trade we want.

Yes, of course! Have you never worked in a commercial environment? We are
free to negotiate on our own behalf, not have the EU do it for us.

>>Did you know that the number of unemployed is now about equal to the
>>number of job vacancies? Time for the unemployed to get on their bikes.
>
>Did you know that sometimes people spout simplistic arguments that omit
>relevant details? :-)
>
>For example, how may of your (unstated) number of "unemployed" live so far
>from a job that the wage they'd be paid for it would mean they'd be in
>poverty because of the travel costs, and they aren't fit enough to go that
>far on a bike? (Alas, they have no bus service since the days when the
>Tories 'privatised' the regulation of bus provision outwith London. And
>they can't afford to live in the bigger towns where they jobs are.)
>
>How many would need some training that the vacancy requires, but which the
>employer won't pay anyone to gain?
>
>How many of them are actually 24/7 carers for a close family member in the
>same home?
>
>How many of those vacancies pay a decent wage and provide decent
>conditions, etc?
>
>etc.

I have no idea, if you want to know you can look it up I'm sure. People
who need jobs need to get off their backsides, the jobs are there for the
taking with a bit if effort.

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On 04/06/2022 in message <t7ftts$bag$1@dont-email.me> Java Jive wrote:

>>>>We owe him an enormous debt, I'm pretty sure that without him we would
>>>>still be stuck in the EU.
>>>
>>>So it was him and not Boris who destroyed the UK economy?
>>
>>Garbage. There are many outside factors affecting the economy and we are
>>now free to take our own action to deal with them.
>
>Name an action that we are taking now that we couldn't have taken before.

Do your own research, there are daily reports of things we have been able
to do now we are independent.

>
>>Did you know that the number of unemployed is now about equal to the
>>number of job vacancies? Time for the unemployed to get on their bikes.
>
>I don't suppose that many of them can afford one.

Then they will have to carry on sitting on their backsides and scrounging
off the rest of us.

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Tomorrow, isn't looking good either.

On 04/06/2022 18:12, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 04/06/2022 in message <59f34d8606noise@audiomisc.co.uk> Jim Lesurf
> wrote:
>
>> In article <xn0nips719xaos900h@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
>> <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> So it was him and not Boris who destroyed the UK economy?
>>
>>> Garbage. There are many outside factors affecting the economy and we are
>>> now free to take our own action to deal with them.
>>
>> Erm... Well when it comes to factors like trade our 'freedom' has to also
>> deal with the other countries having their own 'freedom' to require
>> different conditions of trade to us. e.g. - the USA's wish to extend
>> patent
>> cash income for drugs sold to the NHS by their big pharma lobby, thus
>> hiking the costs of care in the UK. You may have noticed that the USA is
>> bigger than the UK, so it may be a challenge for us to fulfill our
>> 'freedom' to refuse this while getting the level of trade we want.
>
> Yes, of course! Have you never worked in a commercial environment? We
> are free to negotiate on our own behalf, not have the EU do it for us.

But as one relatively small country we have less bargaining clout than
the entire EU, so we don't get such good deals.

>>> Did you know that the number of unemployed is now about equal to the
>>> number of job vacancies? Time for the unemployed to get on their bikes.
>>
>> Did you know that sometimes people spout simplistic arguments that omit
>> relevant details? :-)
>>
>> For example, how may of your (unstated) number of "unemployed" live so
>> far
>> from a job that the wage they'd be paid for it would mean they'd be in
>> poverty because of the travel costs, and they aren't fit enough to go
>> that
>> far on a bike? (Alas, they have no bus service since the days when the
>> Tories 'privatised' the regulation of bus provision outwith London. And
>> they can't afford to live in the bigger towns where they jobs are.)
>>
>> How many would need some training that the vacancy requires, but which
>> the
>> employer won't pay anyone to gain?
>>
>> How many of them are actually 24/7 carers for a close family member in
>> the
>> same home?
>>
>> How many of those vacancies pay a decent wage and provide decent
>> conditions, etc?
>>
>> etc.
>
> I have no idea, if you want to know you can look it up I'm sure. People
> who need jobs need to get off their backsides, the jobs are there for
> the taking with a bit if effort.

Implicit self-contradiction: If reasonable jobs are really there, they
should be being filled, but they are not, so either employers are being
too picky, or would-be employees are genuinely not suitable, or else
they are too lazy to apply for the job. If one of the two former, then
your invocation of the statistic is irrelevant and therefore flawed, if
the latter, then we shouldn't've got rid of the EU employees who were
prepared to do the jobs that British people are not.

The simple fact is that Brexit has hit our economy by a reasonably
significant amount, but exactly what that amount is difficult to say
because the statistics have been muddied by the pandemic. Nevertheless,
you don't have to look very hard to find credible assessment that state
this, here are just a few, 10 should be enough, even for you:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59761292

https://obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/28/economy-recovering-covid-brexit-eu

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2022/04/26/brexit-the-major-trade-disruption-came-after-the-uk-eu-agreement-took-effect-in-2021/

https://internationalbanker.com/finance/uk-economy-feeling-the-pain-a-year-on-from-brexit/

https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/uk-and-global-economy-after-brexit

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-research-food-prices-hike-report-brexit-cost-living/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/how-a-year-of-brexit-thumped-britain-s-economy-and-businesses

https://www.investmentmonitor.ai/analysis/two-years-brexit-uk-eu

https://www.ft.com/content/c6ee4ce2-95b3-4d92-858f-c50566529b5e

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On 04/06/2022 18:14, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 04/06/2022 in message <t7ftts$bag$1@dont-email.me> Java Jive wrote:
>
>>>>> We owe him an enormous debt, I'm pretty sure that without him we would
>>>>> still be stuck in the EU.
>>>>
>>>> So it was him and not Boris who destroyed the UK economy?
>>>
>>> Garbage. There are many outside factors affecting the economy and we
>>> are now free to take our own action to deal with them.
>>
>> Name an action that we are taking now that we couldn't have taken before.
>
> Do your own research, there are daily reports of things we have been
> able to do now we are independent.

No, you do your own research, ie find *facts*, not bullshit propaganda.

>>> Did you know that the number of unemployed is now about equal to the
>>> number of job vacancies? Time for the unemployed to get on their bikes.
>>
>> I don't suppose that many of them can afford one.
>
> Then they will have to carry on sitting on their backsides and
> scrounging off the rest of us.

While they read unrealistic shit on social media posted by bigots like you.

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On Tuesday, 8 March 2022 at 00:48:35 UTC, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
> Farage on GB News. The sounds from all the remote interviews was fine,
> but from the studio it was terrible. It was badly out of sync, there was
> distortion on peaks, no top, too much bottom,

Very close just a couple of cm - he talks b*****s.

> and an odd room resonance.
> At the start of Part 2, for just a few seconds there was good sound, in
> sync, but with the bad sound on top of it and louder, and a second or so
> behind.
> Bill

That must be due to Covid, war in Ukraine, the French, EU, P&O - anything but Brexit...

On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 13:08:01 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 04/06/2022 in message <v39m9hldc43du6dck...@4ax.com>
> Martin wrote:
>
> >>>I refuse to watch a TV station that employs the stinking turd in humanoid
> >>>form know as "Farage".
> >>
> >>We owe him an enormous debt, I'm pretty sure that without him we would
> >>still be stuck in the EU.
> >
> >So it was him and not Boris who destroyed the UK economy?
> Garbage. There are many outside factors affecting the economy and we are
> now free to take our own action to deal with them.
>
> Did you know that the number of unemployed is now about equal to the
> number of job vacancies? Time for the unemployed to get on their bikes.

Well most of the jobs available outside hospitality are highly skilled, whereas there was an extremely strong correlation between Leave voters and low educational attainment (no A' levels - ONS - EC correlation based on Census & vote). Apparently those without any qualifications vote 2:1 for Leave, but that does not mean they could hack it as a surgeon, ICT guru, TV aerial rigger or lorry driver).

Sadly many of the long term unemployed have no skills, addictions, criminal records, appearance modifications, poor employment records etc.

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> Have you ever noticed that all the instruments searching for intelligent
> life are pointing away from Earth?

On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 18:35:41 UTC+1, Java Jive wrote:
> On 04/06/2022 18:12, Jeff Gaines wrote:
SNIP

> >
> > I have no idea, if you want to know you can look it up I'm sure. People
> > who need jobs need to get off their backsides, the jobs are there for
> > the taking with a bit if effort.

Sure. Lets suppose I wanted to be a lorry driver. Although now retired I do have a driving license that even covers LGV's, but to drive HGV's I need expensive ££££ training, a £££ medical, pass an HGV driving test (year+ wait due to DVLA incompetence), so what proportion of those who need jobs could start as a lorry driver on Monday or even before 2023?

> Implicit self-contradiction: If reasonable jobs are really there, they
> should be being filled, but they are not, so either employers are being
> too picky, or would-be employees are genuinely not suitable, or else
> they are too lazy to apply for the job. If one of the two former, then
> your invocation of the statistic is irrelevant and therefore flawed, if
> the latter, then we shouldn't've got rid of the EU employees who were
> prepared to do the jobs that British people are not.
>
> The simple fact is that Brexit has hit our economy by a reasonably
> significant amount, but exactly what that amount is difficult to say
> because the statistics have been muddied by the pandemic. Nevertheless,
> you don't have to look very hard to find credible assessment that state
> this, here are just a few, 10 should be enough, even for you:
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59761292
>
> https://obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade/
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/28/economy-recovering-covid-brexit-eu
>
> https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2022/04/26/brexit-the-major-trade-disruption-came-after-the-uk-eu-agreement-took-effect-in-2021/
>
> https://internationalbanker.com/finance/uk-economy-feeling-the-pain-a-year-on-from-brexit/
>
> https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/uk-and-global-economy-after-brexit
>
> https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-research-food-prices-hike-report-brexit-cost-living/
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/how-a-year-of-brexit-thumped-britain-s-economy-and-businesses
>
> https://www.investmentmonitor.ai/analysis/two-years-brexit-uk-eu
>
> https://www.ft.com/content/c6ee4ce2-95b3-4d92-858f-c50566529b5e

Empty shelves, hiked prices and leagues* long queues in Kent were enough to persuade me.

> --
>
> Fake news kills!
>

* Imperial units. I ordered a quarter of tea from Fortnum and Mason for 2/6, but when it arrived there was only 113g not the 12.7kg I was expecting!

On 04/06/2022 10:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> We owe him an enormous debt, I'm pretty sure that without him we would
> still be stuck in the EU.

He should have been honoured for that if there was any justice but the
senior civil servants have too much influence and still have a grudge
about losing a chance to get on the Brussels gravy train.

On 04/06/2022 20:53, MB wrote:
>
> He should have been honoured for that if there was any justice but the
> senior civil servants have too much influence and still have a grudge
> about losing a chance to get on the Brussels gravy train.

Oh, grow up - if you can't argue better than a ten year old child then
it would be much better for you to keep your mouth shut and let everyone
think you're a fool than to open it and remove all shadow of doubt!

Before Brexshit, we did about 50% of our trade with the EU, by far the
largest market that we trade with, the next biggest was the US at about,
from memory, 19%-20%, less than half that with the EU. It always was a
damn fool thing to put unnecessary barriers in the way of that trade,
and, exactly as predicted, the UK economy is taking a hit as a result,
see the copious links already supplied in evidence.

The only grudges here are those brain-dead xenophobes who just can't
admit that, despite all the predictions beforehand now being borne out
by reality, Brexshit was always going to be and inevitably has been bad
for this country.

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On 04/06/2022 in message <t7gfd5$4es$1@dont-email.me> Java Jive wrote:

>On 04/06/2022 20:53, MB wrote:
>>
>>He should have been honoured for that if there was any justice but the
>>senior civil servants have too much influence and still have a grudge
>>about losing a chance to get on the Brussels gravy train.
>
>Oh, grow up - if you can't argue better than a ten year old child then
>it would be much better for you to keep your mouth shut and let everyone
>think you're a fool than to open it and remove all shadow of doubt!

Oh dear, pot-kettle-black.

>Before Brexshit, we did about 50% of our trade with the EU, by far the
>largest market that we trade with, the next biggest was the US at about,
>from memory, 19%-20%, less than half that with the EU. It always was a
>damn fool thing to put unnecessary barriers in the way of that trade, and,
>exactly as predicted, the UK economy is taking a hit as a result, see the
>copious links already supplied in evidence.

We're doing very well, left wing remoaner bullshit isn't convincing.

>The only grudges here are those brain-dead xenophobes who just can't admit
>that, despite all the predictions beforehand now being borne out by
>reality, Brexshit was always going to be and inevitably has been bad for
>this country.

Nonsense, it's been excellent, your just a moaning remoaner, give it a
break.

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who don't.

On 04/06/2022 22:56, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 04/06/2022 in message <t7gfd5$4es$1@dont-email.me> Java Jive wrote:
>
>> On 04/06/2022 20:53, MB wrote:
>>>
>>> He should have been honoured for that if there was any justice but
>>> the senior civil servants have too much influence and still have a
>>> grudge about losing a chance to get on the Brussels gravy train.
>>
>> Oh, grow up  -  if you can't argue better than a ten year old child
>> then it would be much better for you to keep your mouth shut and let
>> everyone think you're a fool than to open it and remove all shadow of
>> doubt!
>
> Oh dear, pot-kettle-black.

Yes, the pair of you.

>> Before Brexshit, we did about 50% of our trade with the EU, by far the
>> largest market that we trade with, the next biggest was the US at
>> about, from memory, 19%-20%, less than half that with the EU.  It
>> always was a damn fool thing to put unnecessary barriers in the way of
>> that trade, and, exactly as predicted, the UK economy is taking a hit
>> as a result, see the copious links already supplied in evidence.
>
> We're doing very well, left wing remoaner bullshit isn't convincing.

The bullshit is all yours, you have yet to produce a single relevant and
convincing *FACT* to support your claims that everything is rosy.

>> The only grudges here are those brain-dead xenophobes who just can't
>> admit that, despite all the predictions beforehand now being borne out
>> by reality, Brexshit was always going to be and inevitably has been
>> bad for this country.
>
> Nonsense, it's been excellent,

Strange that no-one else, not even most Brexshitters, agree with you.

> your just a moaning remoaner, give it a
> break.

I'll give it a break when you stop lying.

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On 04/06/2022 17:22, williamwright wrote:
> In the sense of 'make use of' perhaps?

And quite possibly getting a payment.

On 04/06/2022 18:14, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> Do your own research, there are daily reports of things we have been able
> to do now we are independent.

And usually not reported by the Left wing media. They will report a
company moving something to Europe but ignore those moving to the UK.

On 05/06/2022 07:58, MB wrote:
> On 04/06/2022 18:14, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> Do your own research, there are daily reports of things we have been able
>> to do now we are independent.
>
> And usually not reported by the Left wing media.  They will report a
> company moving something to Europe but ignore those moving to the UK.

So tell us do, which companies *have* moved to the UK since Brexshit?

While you're doing the necessary research for your fake news, you may
care to consider the following real news demonstrating the 'patriotism'
of those who led us down the road to nowhere ...

John Redwood criticised over advice to pull money out of UK
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/13/labour-accuses-john-redwood-of-talking-britain-down?CMP=share_btn_tw

"Labour has criticised the arch-Eurosceptic MP John Redwood for “talking
down Britain” after he recently wrote a column of financial advice in
which he recommended investors “look further afield” because of the
state of the UK economy.

In the piece for the Financial Times, the Conservative MP – who has a
£180,000 second job as chief global strategist for Charles Stanley –
said the European Central Bank was promoting faster growth when the UK
was seeing a squeeze on credit."

[...]

The piece was published on 3 November but came to greater prominence
after a scathing comment piece was published over the weekend by a
Forbes commentator, Frances Coppola, who wrote that the MP had
“advocated a course of action by the UK government that he knows would
seriously damage the UK economy”.

Coppola wrote: “To protect his job as an investment manager, he warned
his wealthy clients to get their money out before the disaster hits. To
me, this smacks of disaster capitalism. Engineer a crash while ensuring
your own interests are protected, then clean up when it hits. This is
despicable behaviour by a lawmaker.”

[...]

Tom Brake, the Liberal Democrats’ Brexit spokesman, also criticised the
column, calling the advice “sheer hypocrisy” from an MP who had promoted
leaving the EU.

“He is advising investors to move their money out of the UK, all the
while pushing in parliament for a destructive hard Brexit that would see
even more investment desert the country,” Brake said."

.... and ...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/08/ineos-boss-opts-to-build-british-heir-to-land-rover-defender-in-france

"Ineos boss opts to build 'British' heir to Land Rover Defender in France

Vocal Brexiter Sir Jim Ratcliffe vowed to make new Grenadier 4x4 in
Bridgend but has now bought car plant at Hambach"

.... these are the 'patriotic' people who have landed us in the shit.

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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/06/2022 07:58, MB wrote:
>> On 04/06/2022 18:14, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> Do your own research, there are daily reports of things we have been able
>>> to do now we are independent.
>>
>> And usually not reported by the Left wing media.  They will report a
>> company moving something to Europe but ignore those moving to the UK.
>
> So tell us do, which companies *have* moved to the UK since Brexshit?
>
> While you're doing the necessary research for your fake news, you may
> care to consider the following real news demonstrating the 'patriotism'
> of those who led us down the road to nowhere ...
>
> John Redwood criticised over advice to pull money out of UK
> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/13/labour-accuses-john-redwood-of-talking-britain-down?CMP=share_btn_tw
>
> "Labour has criticised the arch-Eurosceptic MP John Redwood for “talking
> down Britain” after he recently wrote a column of financial advice in
> which he recommended investors “look further afield” because of the
> state of the UK economy.
>
> In the piece for the Financial Times, the Conservative MP – who has a
> £180,000 second job as chief global strategist for Charles Stanley –
> said the European Central Bank was promoting faster growth when the UK
> was seeing a squeeze on credit."
>
> [...]
>
> The piece was published on 3 November but came to greater prominence
> after a scathing comment piece was published over the weekend by a
> Forbes commentator, Frances Coppola, who wrote that the MP had
> “advocated a course of action by the UK government that he knows would
> seriously damage the UK economy”.
>
> Coppola wrote: “To protect his job as an investment manager, he warned
> his wealthy clients to get their money out before the disaster hits. To
> me, this smacks of disaster capitalism. Engineer a crash while ensuring
> your own interests are protected, then clean up when it hits. This is
> despicable behaviour by a lawmaker.”
>
> [...]
>
> Tom Brake, the Liberal Democrats’ Brexit spokesman, also criticised the
> column, calling the advice “sheer hypocrisy” from an MP who had promoted
> leaving the EU.
>
> “He is advising investors to move their money out of the UK, all the
> while pushing in parliament for a destructive hard Brexit that would see
> even more investment desert the country,” Brake said."
>
> ... and ...
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/08/ineos-boss-opts-to-build-british-heir-to-land-rover-defender-in-france
>
> "Ineos boss opts to build 'British' heir to Land Rover Defender in France
>
> Vocal Brexiter Sir Jim Ratcliffe vowed to make new Grenadier 4x4 in
> Bridgend but has now bought car plant at Hambach"
>
> ... these are the 'patriotic' people who have landed us in the shit.
>

It’s time to move on. The damage has been done. Time to consider how to fix
things. Fortunately there are the beginnings of murmurs in political
circles about rejoining the single market. I don’t see it happening for a
number of years though.

On 05/06/2022 14:11, Tweed wrote:
>
> It’s time to move on. The damage has been done. Time to consider how to fix
> things.

+1, but unfortunately that cannot happen while some still keep chanting
mantras in a vain attempt to make lies come true, while ignoring the
actual truths that are constantly before their eyes.

> Fortunately there are the beginnings of murmurs in political
> circles about rejoining the single market. I don’t see it happening for a
> number of years though.

Yes, someday it'll almost certainly have to happen, but, as you say, not
for some time - even in the growing cold light of dawn, there's still
nothing like enough realism in English politics.

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On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 22:56:42 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
SNIP

> We're doing very well, left wing remoaner bullshit isn't convincing.

Afraid not, look at the facts, not what Grant Schapps said this morning (best in G7, when we are probably the worst)
For some facts have a glance at https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/30/brexit-uk-firms-eu-trade-northern-ireland
No need to read the text, just look at the reputably sourced graphs.

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> who don't.

On 05/06/2022 in message
<aa01b0e8-79ea-49f4-91e1-6e9b2a67c95dn@googlegroups.com> R. Mark Clayton
wrote:

>On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 22:56:42 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>SNIP
>
>>We're doing very well, left wing remoaner bullshit isn't convincing.
>
>Afraid not, look at the facts, not what Grant Schapps said this morning
>(best in G7, when we are probably the worst)
>For some facts have a glance at
>https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/30/brexit-uk-firms-eu-trade-northern-ireland
>No need to read the text, just look at the reputably sourced graphs.

Wow, in reply to a complaint of left wing bullshit you provide a link to
left wing bullshit, you couldn't make it up.

About time the remoaners stopped moaning for goodness sake.

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On 05/06/2022 at 14:27, Java Jive wrote:
> On 05/06/2022 14:11, Tweed wrote:
>>
>> It’s time to move on. The damage has been done. Time to consider how to fix
>> things.
>
> +1, but unfortunately that cannot happen while some still keep chanting
> mantras in a vain attempt to make lies come true, while ignoring the
> actual truths that are constantly before their eyes.
>
>> Fortunately there are the beginnings of murmurs in political
>> circles about rejoining the single market. I don’t see it happening for a
>> number of years though.
>
> Yes, someday it'll almost certainly have to happen, but, as you say, not
> for some time - even in the growing cold light of dawn, there's still
> nothing like enough realism in English politics.
>

Sounds nice, but why would they ever accept us back in?

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On 05/06/2022 17:43, Wilf wrote:
>
> On 05/06/2022 at 14:27, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 05/06/2022 14:11, Tweed wrote:
>>>
>>> Fortunately there are the beginnings of murmurs in political
>>> circles about rejoining the single market. I don’t see it happening
>>> for a
>>> number of years though.
>>
>> Yes, someday it'll almost certainly have to happen, but, as you say, not
>> for some time  -  even in the growing cold light of dawn, there's still
>> nothing like enough realism in English politics.
>
> Sounds nice, but why would they ever accept us back in?

Because there are EU companies losing market share in the UK as well UK
companies losing market share in the EU, though of course the latter is
much more significant as a %-age of GDP.

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On 05/06/2022 17:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> On 05/06/2022 in message
> <aa01b0e8-79ea-49f4-91e1-6e9b2a67c95dn@googlegroups.com> R. Mark Clayton
> wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 22:56:42 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> SNIP
>>>
>>> We're doing very well, left wing remoaner bullshit isn't convincing.
>>
>> Afraid not, look at the facts, not what Grant Schapps said this
>> morning (best in G7, when we are probably the worst)
>> For some facts have a glance at
>> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/30/brexit-uk-firms-eu-trade-northern-ireland
>>
>> No need to read the text, just look at the reputably sourced graphs.
>
> Wow, in reply to a complaint of left wing bullshit you provide a link to
> left wing bullshit, you couldn't make it up.

We don't *NEED* to make these things up, because they are true, it's
people like you who can't face simple economic facts that are making
things up. You've now been given 11 links from a wide spectrum of
sources, including a *GOVERNMENT* source, that explain the problems to
our economy that Brexshit has caused, and in reply have failed to give
even a single one in support of your view that everything is fine.

That makes you just another liar.

> About time the remoaners stopped moaning for goodness sake.

About time for the liars to stop lying.

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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/06/2022 17:43, Wilf wrote:
>>
>> On 05/06/2022 at 14:27, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> On 05/06/2022 14:11, Tweed wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately there are the beginnings of murmurs in political
>>>> circles about rejoining the single market. I don’t see it happening
>>>> for a
>>>> number of years though.
>>>
>>> Yes, someday it'll almost certainly have to happen, but, as you say, not
>>> for some time  -  even in the growing cold light of dawn, there's still
>>> nothing like enough realism in English politics.
>>
>> Sounds nice, but why would they ever accept us back in?
>
> Because there are EU companies losing market share in the UK as well UK
> companies losing market share in the EU, though of course the latter is
> much more significant as a %-age of GDP.
>

Exactly. Businesses on either side want to trade, and the existing mess is
hindering this.

In article <xn0niq075a85q7500j@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
<jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 04/06/2022 in message <59f34d8606noise@audiomisc.co.uk> Jim Lesurf
> wrote:

> >In article <xn0nips719xaos900h@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
> ><jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>So it was him and not Boris who destroyed the UK economy?
> >
> >>Garbage. There are many outside factors affecting the economy and we
> >>are now free to take our own action to deal with them.
> >
> >Erm... Well when it comes to factors like trade our 'freedom' has to
> >also deal with the other countries having their own 'freedom' to
> >require different conditions of trade to us. e.g. - the USA's wish to
> >extend patent cash income for drugs sold to the NHS by their big pharma
> >lobby, thus hiking the costs of care in the UK. You may have noticed
> >that the USA is bigger than the UK, so it may be a challenge for us to
> >fulfill our 'freedom' to refuse this while getting the level of trade
> >we want.

> Yes, of course! Have you never worked in a commercial environment?

I have worked in a commercial environment. For a variety of commercial
concerns, etc. Some of them were significant exporters. My old research
and dev group also both bought from overseas and sold there. For outwith
the EU that was at times quite complex.

> We are free to negotiate on our own behalf, not have the EU do it for us.

Whoosh! :-)

> >
> >How many would need some training that the vacancy requires, but which
> >the employer won't pay anyone to gain?
> >
> >How many of them are actually 24/7 carers for a close family member in
> >the same home?
> >
> >How many of those vacancies pay a decent wage and provide decent
> >conditions, etc?
> >
> >etc.

> I have no idea,

No surprise. Without that, the initial assertion is worthless.

Jim

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In article <6bcf4d60-abf6-493d-9c3d-6c9f024cf91bn@googlegroups.com>, R.
Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well most of the jobs available outside hospitality are highly skilled,
> whereas there was an extremely strong correlation between Leave voters
> and low educational attainment (no A' levels - ONS - EC correlation
> based on Census & vote). Apparently those without any qualifications
> vote 2:1 for Leave, but that does not mean they could hack it as a
> surgeon, ICT guru, TV aerial rigger or lorry driver).

One of the big problems in the UK economy is the way Westminster Gov has
systematically cut provison for FE training of skills.(1) Started when
Milk-Snatcher decided to abolish the system of training levy boards that
supported apprenticeships, etc. That used to be a potential route upwards
in terms of employment for those who weren't successful at schools.

(1) Preceeded by the foolishness of not really supporting Technical Schools
because of the English obsession with 'Grammar Schools'. (And, perhaps,
because a good tech ed requires more money per student.)

Jim

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