On 12/08/2022 14:11, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

>> So who is going to provide the new routers with a phone socket?
>> My telecom provider (BT) or my ISP (PlusNet for ADSL2+)?
>
> Your ISP will supply a new router.

Will they care? I don't get my voice service from them.

> But it probably won't be ADSL since that service will disappear at the same
> time the PSTN exchanges close down since that is where it's delivered from.
>
> You are presumably too far from a cabinet to get FTTC or on an exchange only
> line without FTTC. BT might offer you full fibre, or put in a new cabinet
> somewhere so you get FTTC.

I could have FTTC, but haven't. FTTP could be difficult as I live in a
block of flats.

--
Max Demian

Roderick Stewart wrote:

> Angus Robertson wrote:
>
>> Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> It might be realistic to adopt a policy of not installing any
>>> new copper cabling from a certain date.
>>
>> That date is September 2023 for the entire country
>
> So soon! I hadn't realised. Better get those old VDSL modem/routers on
> Ebay while they're still worth something.

Unless you're one of those lucky enough to get converted to FTTP by that time,
then VDSL routers will still be required long beyond next September, it's only
the dialtone and ringtone that's going away, not the copper itself.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 12:42:35 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Me, I’d just take Internet service and route my voice calls over Sipgate
>and provide my own ATA. Sipgate for a simple service charge £0/month and
>about 2p/minute for landline destined calls. The likes of Zen and BT try to
>charge around £7/month, albeit with some level of bundled calls.

Zen's £7 per month is cheaper than the £15 per month line rental that
it replaces. Also, the modem/router that they provided (free) includes
a phone socket, into which I plugged my existing phone without
configuring anything, and it just works as before.

Rod.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> The Other John wrote:
>
>> My younger son moved into
>> a newbuild house last year and it only has FTTP and although he had a
>> contract with Plusnet he was not allowed to transfer it and had to take
>> out a BT contract.
>
> That would be because at the time Plusnet didn't sell an FTTP product, they do
> as of a couple of weeks ago.
>
>> Are there any places where one has a choice of ISP on FTTP?
>
> Loads ... anywhere that openreach FTTP is available, you have a choice of all
> ISPs who provide products on openreach FTTP, that list will be smaller than the
> list of ISPs who provide ADSL/VDSL products.
>
>
City Fibre FTTH also offer a range of ISPs (CF is wholesale only like OR)
though fewer than on OR infrastructure.

Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 12/08/2022 13:42, Tweed wrote:
>> Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>> So who is going to provide the new routers with a phone socket? My
>>> telecom provider (BT) or my ISP (PlusNet for ADSL2+)? What will it plug
>>> into? Directly into the phone socket on the wall?
>
>> If you have a voice only line then I expect whoever you pay your bill to
>> will provide a little box that is effectively a combined router and
>> analogue telephone adapter (ATA) with possibly an integrated DECT base
>> station.
>>
>> If you have a voice line with Internet service it’s going to have to be the
>> ISP who is responsible for providing the data traffic for a phone service.
>> If you pay them for a voice service they are likely to provide you with a
>> suitable router.
>
> My voice service is from BT; my ADSL2+ is PlusNet.
>

That will have to change one day. You will loose both at some point, though
when that happens could be a number of years yet.

Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 12/08/2022 14:11, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
>
>>> So who is going to provide the new routers with a phone socket?
>>> My telecom provider (BT) or my ISP (PlusNet for ADSL2+)?
>>
>> Your ISP will supply a new router.
>
> Will they care? I don't get my voice service from them.
>
>> But it probably won't be ADSL since that service will disappear at the same
>> time the PSTN exchanges close down since that is where it's delivered from.
>>
>> You are presumably too far from a cabinet to get FTTC or on an exchange only
>> line without FTTC. BT might offer you full fibre, or put in a new cabinet
>> somewhere so you get FTTC.
>
> I could have FTTC, but haven't. FTTP could be difficult as I live in a
> block of flats.
>

If they can get a copper wire into your flat there will be a way of getting
a fibre in.

On 12/08/2022 14:37, David Woolley wrote:
> On 12/08/2022 12:41, Max Demian wrote:

>> So who is going to provide the new routers with a phone socket? My
>> telecom provider (BT) or my ISP (PlusNet for ADSL2+)? What will it
>> plug into? Directly into the phone socket on the wall?
>
> I'm pretty sure that a little research will given definitive answers,
> because this is something already in progress.

PlusNet's website doesn't say anything about the digital switchover.

> However, regarding the
> existing sockets, I believe the master socket is no longer valid, and
> the internal extension wiring is the consumer's responsibility, and will
> not be connected to the VoIP system, by the installer, but could be
> connected if the VoIP adapter has a socket.  It would be up to the
> consumer to source suitable cables, probably male to male.  This assumes
> you didn't hold out from before the separation of consumer and BT wiring.

What installer? Don't companies just send you stuff to connect? And the
master socket is BT's; all you can do is plug stuff in or, perhaps,
unscrew the front part to reveal the *master* master socket inside.

What's a VoIP adapter? Is it a router with a phone connection or just a
digital to analogue adapter?

> I believe the BT standard offering is DECT based, with a socket as well,
> and one for a standby power supply, but it is a little while since I
> last looked into this.
>
> Actually, from a quick look at
> <https://www.bt.com/broadband/digital-voice> it isn't actually clear
> that the hub has a phone socket.  What BT seem to do is offer what is,
> presumably, a DECT to analogue station adaptor, in wall wart format.
> They do talk about a smart hub 2, which does have a phone socket but its
> note clear to me how this will be handled when there was no OpenReach
> broadband, or BT are not the broadband retailer.
>
> The instructions for the adaptor say:
>
> "*Making emergency calls* You won’t be able to call 999 (or any other
> numbers) from phones connected to your hub or Digital Voice Adapter if
> there’s a power cut, or a problem with your broadband. So make sure
> you’ve got another way to call for help in an emergency."

That (smart hub 2) sounds like stuff you have if BT is your ISP (which
it isn't).

--
Max Demian

On 12/08/2022 17:34, Max Demian wrote:
>>
>> Your ISP will supply a new router.
>
> Will they care? I don't get my voice service from them.

I believe you will lose your voice service completely if you don't take
action and are currently using an analogue service over the same copper
pair.

I think BT will only provide a service if you either take your broadband
from BT retail or have no broadband service at all on the line that
supports your analogue phone.

On 12/08/2022 17:51, Max Demian wrote:
> What installer? Don't companies just send you stuff to connect? And the
> master socket is BT's; all you can do is plug stuff in or, perhaps,

BT offer both options, although I think the DIY option is probably cheaper.

> unscrew the front part to reveal the *master* master socket inside.

That is BT's property. If accessing the master socket, you would need
to plug the faceplate into your own personal socket, and leave BT's side
unconnected.
>
> What's a VoIP adapter? Is it a router with a phone connection or just a
> digital to analogue adapter?

The one from BT is used in conjunction with they Smart Hub. It looks
like it is probably a SIP ATA. The Smart Hub is a router and modem,
with telephone and DECT connections.

> That (smart hub 2) sounds like stuff you have if BT is your ISP (which it isn't).

I believe that is correct, although I think you also get one with a
512kbps broadband service, just for hone use, if you have no broadband
retailer using your BT line.

If you do have another broadband retailer on your BT copper, I believe
you lose your service if you haven't already ported the phone number to
VoIP, or you hope your broadband retailer makes alternative arrangements.

> PlusNet's website doesn't say anything about the digital switchover.

A&A's does, but it is very tentative at the moment. I think you end up
having to buy new equipment, to support VoIP.

On 12/08/2022 17:51, Max Demian wrote:
>
> PlusNet's website doesn't say anything about the digital switchover.

There is quite a lot on their community forums, but a lack of official
answers. There is some speculation that, as they use similar hardware
to BT retail broadband, being, I understand, a branding of BT, that they
will do the same as BT. If you have a recent hub, look for a phone
socket, possibly taped over, on the back.

On 12/08/2022 18:37, David Woolley wrote:
> On 12/08/2022 17:51, Max Demian wrote:
>>
>> PlusNet's website doesn't say anything about the digital switchover.
>
> There is quite a lot on their community forums, but a lack of official
> answers.  There is some speculation that, as they use similar hardware
> to BT retail broadband, being, I understand, a branding of BT, that they
> will do the same as BT.  If you have a recent hub, look for a phone
> socket, possibly taped over, on the back.

This forum post more strongly suggests they will behave like BT retail,
and that their current routers do have phone sockets:

<https://community.plus.net/t5/My-Account-Billing/Leaving-Broadband-Can-I-keep-my-home-phone-contract/m-p/1845265#M58965>

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:49:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>> My voice service is from BT; my ADSL2+ is PlusNet.
>>
>
>That will have to change one day. You will loose both at some point, though
>when that happens could be a number of years yet.

Seems like a good reason to pre-empt it in your own time, and to some
extent on your own terms. Don't wait till you're forced to change at
the last minute and accept some deal you may not like.

Rod.

On 12/08/2022 18:11, David Woolley wrote:
> I believe you will lose your voice service completely if you don't take
> action and are currently using an analogue service over the same copper
> pair.
>
> I think BT will only provide a service if you either take your broadband
> from BT retail or have no broadband service at all on the line that
> supports your analogue phone.

I find it hard to believe that BT will be allowed to remove voice
services without providing a replacement. It might pass over fibre but
will have to be able to feed a telephone.

The big problem for most people is having provide it with a mains supply.

On 12/08/2022 08:47, Indy Jess John wrote:
> On 11/08/2022 23:04, David Wade wrote:
>
>> They don't need to convert everyone to fibre, just to VOIP. So for
>> those of us on FTTC (or even ADSL) cease the POTS service but retain
>> the data service.
>
> Not everyone has a BT/Openreach connection. VirginMedia operate down two
> connections to my house, a twisted pair POTS service and a coax
> broadband, (which gives me 100mb). That has the distinct advantage that
> when I had a power cut last year I used the POTS phone to report it
> while the rest of the house was without power. It allowed the engineers
> to ring me back and tell me that it was a substation fault and that it
> only affected my street, and I was given an estimate of how long to fix it.

If you have a twisted pair POTS service its either BT/Openreach or it
gateways onto the Virgin Media cable infrastructure at some point.

My brother had a similar setup and they recently sent him a VOIP adaptor
to replace the POTS connection.

Virgin make no attempt to provide continuity of service in a power cut
but suggest customers have a mobile.

>
> On another occasion when the telephone was dead, I could use the
> broadband to report it and arrange an engineer visit to diagnose and fix.
>
> As the wires are already in place, I can't see any reason to replace
> them with fibre, and I can't see any customer benefit to changing to
> VOIP.  Besides, if I want to use VIOP, I can use Skype from my laptop
> instead.
>

Well it allows a lot of infrastructure to be replaced. So even if the
wires are there, you need equipment in the exchange to connect them to.
Each phone needs its own pair, connected by cabinets, terminal blocks.
Then there are line interfaces to get in digitised and onto the backbone
network.

Fibre gets consolidated closer to the customer. Probably one fibre per
cab to gateway onto the backbone. VM does not have exchange buildings.
They can manage the network with much fewer staff. I often see BT
engineers working in cabinets. We also have VM cabs. Never seen any one
working on those.

Also as I said elsewhere, whilst you might want to retain your POTS line
I am sure most of the great unwashed would love to save the £200 or so
per year they pay for a bit of wire that is only used to deliver spam calls.

If the number of users went down by 80% how much would the price need to
rise to maintain the service? Would you pay it?

> Jim

Dave

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 12/08/2022 18:11, David Woolley wrote:
>> I believe you will lose your voice service completely if you don't take
>> action and are currently using an analogue service over the same copper
>> pair.
>>
>> I think BT will only provide a service if you either take your broadband
>> from BT retail or have no broadband service at all on the line that
>> supports your analogue phone.
>
> I find it hard to believe that BT will be allowed to remove voice
> services without providing a replacement. It might pass over fibre but
> will have to be able to feed a telephone.
>
> The big problem for most people is having provide it with a mains supply.
>
>
>
Most people are moving to using mobiles. I know a whole bunch of folk are
about to say they don’t get a reliable service, but that’s slowly being
fixed and WiFi calling using your home broadband also helps. Finland has
done away with landlines in rural areas a number of years ago, so it can be
done.

On 13/08/2022 08:20, MB wrote:
> I find it hard to believe that BT will be allowed to remove voice
> services without providing a replacement.  It might pass over fibre but
> will have to be able to feed a telephone.
>

My understanding is that they will only provide a replacement if either
they are your broadband retailer, or you have no broadband at all,
supplied over their wires.

The interface point for their preferred replacement is your ears, eyes,
mouth and fingers, not an existing phone, although they do provide for a
phone close to the router and provide an adapter, as an alternative to
their, preferred, bundled DECT phone. I think the phone interfaces are
only designed to drive about 1 REN.

> The big problem for most people is having provide it with a mains supply.

Yes.

On 12/08/2022 09:13, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:04:09 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>>> December 2025 is when all existing Openreach PSTN and ISDN telephone lines go
>>>> dead, with the first exchange Salisbury due to die this December.
>>>
>>> Well, that won't bother me at all, as I'm full fibre now, which is
>>> exactly what I wanted anyway, but I can understand why some would
>>> object to being forced to accept something they don't want and don't
>>> really understand, because they already have a telephone line that
>>> works and they're not interested. "If it ain't broke, why fix it?"
>>>
>>
>> But if most other people ditch their phone lines, and the price goes up
>> because the fixed costs are spread among fewer customers, they would be
>> up in arms..
>
> If you mean the price of copper cable installations goes up, then the
> natural thing to do is migrate to fibre. I would think most people
> would willingly do this if fibre costs less (even if they don't know
> or don't care how much faster their internet sevice sould be). >
> My change to fibre actually has resulted in a slightly lower monthly
> bill, as the internet service costs the same as before, and the line
> rental of about £15 has been replaced with a £7 charge for VOIP phone.
>
> In my case, I've been with Zen for many years and have the advantage
> of their fixed price for life, and I ordered the upgrade to fibre just
> before they discontinued this, so effectively I stayed on the same
> contract, which is why the internet stayed at the same price for me.
> However, even without this, I think the price would have been about
> the same or only slightly higher. Most advertised prices for fibre and
> copper seem to be comparable now. If fibre cost an arm and a leg there
> would be good reason to object, but it doesn't.
>
>>> I wonder how many million homes they have to convert by 2025, and if
>>> anyone has calculated if it's feasible to do it in only 3 years? I
>>> live in a quiet residential cul-de-sac and my fibre terminal is just
>>> inside my front door and next to a power socket, but not everybody's
>>> installation will be as easy as that. They'll have old buildings,
>>> remote villages, flats and tower blocks to deal with too, so good luck
>>> with all of that.
>>>
>>
>> They don't need to convert everyone to fibre, just to VOIP. So for those
>> of us on FTTC (or even ADSL) cease the POTS service but retain the data
>> service.
>
> Point taken. I hadn't realised it was only the conversion to VOIP that
> had a target date. That looks much more feasible, though of course how
> well VOIP works will depend on the speed and integrity of the internet
> connection, and I suppose the addition of VOIP to an existing
> connection would require a new router or an additional box to decode
> it, with battery backup where necessary. The more elegant solution is
> to upgrade everything in one step, which is what I did, and it has
> resulted in a neater installation that works better than before. In
> the fullness of time there will only be fibre, that's inevitable, but
> maybe if it were presented and advertised the right way at a
> reasonable price, more people would be persuaded to adopt it sooner.

>
> Rod.

On 12/08/2022 09:13, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:04:09 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> But if most other people ditch their phone lines, and the price goes up
>> because the fixed costs are spread among fewer customers, they would be
>> up in arms..
>
> If you mean the price of copper cable installations goes up, then the
> natural thing to do is migrate to fibre. I would think most people
> would willingly do this if fibre costs less (even if they don't know
> or don't care how much faster their internet sevice sould be).

Most people ONLY need the copper to the Exchange for the phone line.
BT/Openreach has been trying to remaining customers to FTTC for a long
time. Most ISPs price it the same as ADSL.

>
> My change to fibre actually has resulted in a slightly lower monthly
> bill, as the internet service costs the same as before, and the line
> rental of about £15 has been replaced with a £7 charge for VOIP phone.

I suspect many would not want a phone voip or POTS. Times are hard and
not having one saves £84/year.

>
> In my case, I've been with Zen for many years and have the advantage
> of their fixed price for life, and I ordered the upgrade to fibre just
> before they discontinued this, so effectively I stayed on the same
> contract, which is why the internet stayed at the same price for me.
> However, even without this, I think the price would have been about
> the same or only slightly higher. Most advertised prices for fibre and
> copper seem to be comparable now. If fibre cost an arm and a leg there
> would be good reason to object, but it doesn't.
>
>>> I wonder how many million homes they have to convert by 2025, and if
>>> anyone has calculated if it's feasible to do it in only 3 years? I
>>> live in a quiet residential cul-de-sac and my fibre terminal is just
>>> inside my front door and next to a power socket, but not everybody's
>>> installation will be as easy as that. They'll have old buildings,
>>> remote villages, flats and tower blocks to deal with too, so good luck
>>> with all of that.
>>>
>>
>> They don't need to convert everyone to fibre, just to VOIP. So for those
>> of us on FTTC (or even ADSL) cease the POTS service but retain the data
>> service.
>
> Point taken. I hadn't realised it was only the conversion to VOIP that
> had a target date. That looks much more feasible, though of course how
> well VOIP works will depend on the speed and integrity of the internet
> connection, and I suppose the addition of VOIP to an existing
> connection would require a new router or an additional box to decode
> it, with battery backup where necessary.

BT have been rolling out routers with VOIP ports for a while. Other
providers are a little behind the times, but I suspect the feel its not
a problem, and they will supply a separate ATA (VOIP to POTS phone adaptor)

> The more elegant solution is
> to upgrade everything in one step, which is what I did, and it has
> resulted in a neater installation that works better than before. In
> the fullness of time there will only be fibre, that's inevitable, but
> maybe if it were presented and advertised the right way at a
> reasonable price, more people would be persuaded to adopt it sooner.
>

I think you are refusing to accept that many simply don't want a
landline. As I said elsewhere I don't know of any one under 30 with a
phone in their landline socket.

> Rod.

Dave

On 12/08/2022 10:31, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
>> As the wires are already in place, I can't see any reason to
>> replace them with fibre, and I can't see any customer benefit to
>> changing to VOIP.
>
> Those wires are 50 to 100 years old, connected to telephone exchanges designed
> 50 years ago and for which spare parts are no longer available and 100,000
> aging street cabinets. Even the early FTTC street cabinets installed almost 20
> years ago are reaching end of life.
>
> Those exchanges also occupy 5,000 buildings around the country that cost a lot
> to maintain and run, and have already been replaced by a few hundred newer
> buildings.
>
> Angus

You didn't read what I said.

My VIRGINMEDIA cables are about 20 years old. The VM cabinet at the end
of my road is of similar vintage, the main Headend is perhaps 5 years older.

20 years is not a long time for a street cabinet to be in use.

Jim

In article <64c13ac2-bbf7-7a04-4940-fd741bd0d385@outlook.com>, Robin
<rbw@outlook.com> wrote:

> Nevertheless VM plan to switch you over by end-2025.

Barry Fox has been writing - e.g. in the current Hi-Fi News - about the
problems he is getting with Virgin and the way they are doing this
changeover. Reality seems to differ from what has been promised.

One of the basic problems is that the new arrangements don't really provide
for supporting 999 calls during a power cut. Or, indeed, calls to you
electricity supplier! They basically take for granted the people will have
a 'mobile' as well. Which not everyone has in reality.

Apparently they are meant to check this *and* provide you with either a
local power for the router+phone or some other way the user can call for
help. But in practice they may simply 'not ask and not know'.

Jim

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On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 08:20:47 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>I find it hard to believe that BT will be allowed to remove voice
>services without providing a replacement. It might pass over fibre but
>will have to be able to feed a telephone.
>
>The big problem for most people is having provide it with a mains supply.

What is the problem with the provision of a mains supply?

Is it 1). The availability of a mains socket close to where the fibre
terminal is installed, because it replaces a passive connector box
that didn't need one?

Or 2). The continued function of the equipment in a power cut?

1). only requires cabling, which in many cases will already be
present. If the fibre service replaces ADSL or VDSL, then there must
already be a router, which must be powered somehow. More than likely
the phone is a cordless one that will have to be powered too, so its
dependency on a new powered terminal doesn't introduce a new problem.

2). is easily catered for with a UPS. Search for "UPS" or
"Uninterruptible Power supply" on Amazon to see the variety already
available. You can get big ones to power computers, or little low
voltage ones that will just power the router and optical terminal so
you can still use your laptop or tablet till the power is restored.

A problem is only a problem until it's solved.

Rod.

On 12/08/2022 17:50, Tweed wrote:
> Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On 12/08/2022 14:11, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
>>
>>>> So who is going to provide the new routers with a phone socket?
>>>> My telecom provider (BT) or my ISP (PlusNet for ADSL2+)?
>>>
>>> Your ISP will supply a new router.
>>
>> Will they care? I don't get my voice service from them.
>>
>>> But it probably won't be ADSL since that service will disappear at the same
>>> time the PSTN exchanges close down since that is where it's delivered from.
>>>
>>> You are presumably too far from a cabinet to get FTTC or on an exchange only
>>> line without FTTC. BT might offer you full fibre, or put in a new cabinet
>>> somewhere so you get FTTC.
>>
>> I could have FTTC, but haven't. FTTP could be difficult as I live in a
>> block of flats.
>>
>
> If they can get a copper wire into your flat there will be a way of getting
> a fibre in.

The telephone cabling was put in when the block was built. It must be
all embedded in the walls somehow.

--
Max Demian

On 12/08/2022 13:33, MB wrote:
> On 12/08/2022 12:31, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> Nothing lasts forever. Cables can become waterlogged and electrical
>> connections can become corroded. Engineering systems only continue to
>> work because somebody maintains them. As more people move to fibre, if
>> part of a cable system fails it won't make much economic sense to
>> replace old technology with more old technology.
>
> But if it has worked OK for fifty years and quite likely another fifty
> if replaced with new cable .....

Has it? My drop cable has been replaced twice. Any way its not the
cables that are the issue its the infrastructure needed to get one pair
per line into the exchange and the space in the exchange needed to
handle and manage this. With fibre you don't need to do that...

.... and 50 years ago the last strowenger exchanges were still in place
so what is at the exchange and has changed...

Dave

On 12/08/2022 17:41, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 12:42:35 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Me, I’d just take Internet service and route my voice calls over Sipgate
>> and provide my own ATA. Sipgate for a simple service charge £0/month and
>> about 2p/minute for landline destined calls. The likes of Zen and BT try to
>> charge around £7/month, albeit with some level of bundled calls.
>
> Zen's £7 per month is cheaper than the £15 per month line rental that
> it replaces. Also, the modem/router that they provided (free) includes
> a phone socket, into which I plugged my existing phone without
> configuring anything, and it just works as before.

but could you ditch that and save £7/month? If so many will...

>
> Rod.

Dave

On 12/08/2022 18:11, David Woolley wrote:
> On 12/08/2022 17:34, Max Demian wrote:
>>>
>>> Your ISP will supply a new router.
>>
>> Will they care? I don't get my voice service from them.
>
> I believe you will lose your voice service completely if you don't take
> action and are currently using an analogue service over the same copper
> pair.
>
> I think BT will only provide a service if you either take your broadband
> from BT retail or have no broadband service at all on the line that
> supports your analogue phone.

I suppose I could get PlusNet to provide my voice service, and let them
sort it out somehow. I don't mind changing to FTTC as I expect it won't
cost any more. I need to do it in such a way that I can keep my PlusNet
email address and webspace, which is a legacy benefit.

Neither PlusNet nor BT have anything about the digital phone switchover
on their websites, and the Openreach one not much detail.

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Max Demian