Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump pose like
that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until he:

1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely
2) Faced the camera with a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one

He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a camera -
and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in charge and
should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped posing.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:54:29 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump pose
> like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until he:
>
> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely 2) Faced the camera with
> a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one
>
> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
> camera -
> and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in charge
> and should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped posing.

He looks like a rebellious child.

I have already had email offering to sell me a Trump mug (taking the piss
out of him)

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On 25/08/2023 22:59, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:54:29 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
>
>> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump pose
>> like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until he:
>>
>> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely 2) Faced the camera with
>> a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one
>>
>> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
>> camera -
>> and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in charge
>> and should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped posing.
>
> He looks like a rebellious child.
>
> I have already had email offering to sell me a Trump mug (taking the piss
> out of him)
>
The problem is that there is so much distrust of the apparatus of State
in the US that even Trump is seen as preferable to the Democrats, and
huge swathes of people either don't care what he did, if it means
sticking one to the elites, or think the charges are basically - er -
trumped up!

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H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

You have to realise they are probably supporters. I think America loves
disruptive politicians who buck the trend of smarmy ex lawyers you often
get. I bet the Republicans are levering away trying to find somebody else
who does not call a spaced a human powered digging implement. The trouble
with Trump in power is that he can be dangerous to the country as he is so
divisive. There is no grey area with him, and no attempt to even act like a
President. As has been said, he is either a complete idiot, or very clever.
He seems to know how to live and despite appearing to lose money.
A millionaire redneck.
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"Tim Streater" <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote in message
news:kksm8lFda1U1@mid.individual.net...
> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump pose
> like
> that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until he:
>
> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely
> 2) Faced the camera with a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy
> one
>
> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
> camera -
> and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in charge and
> should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped posing.
>
> --
> "... you must remember that if you're trying to propagate a creed of
> poverty, gentleness and tolerance, you need a very rich, powerful,
> authoritarian organisation to do it." - Vice-Pope Eric

On 25/08/2023 22:54, Tim Streater wrote:
> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump pose like
> that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until he:
>
> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely
> 2) Faced the camera with a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one
>
> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a camera -
> and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in charge and
> should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped posing.

Don't you think that most of those involved are Trump supporters?

I just had a conversation with a friend from the USA the other day - he said that it was just so embarrassing to come from a country where nearly half of his fellow citizens supported someone like that.

--
Clive Page

On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 10:14:01 +0100
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> The trouble with Trump in power is that he can be
> dangerous to the country as he is so divisive.

Really? People said that Trump being elected caused great division in
the country. He didn't: the election, and all the fraud surrounding it,
simply showed that a great division already existed. Clinton's 'basket
of deplorables' speech came before the election, not after it.

> There is no grey area
> with him, and no attempt to even act like a President.

And you can say exactly the same about Biden.

> As has been
> said, he is either a complete idiot, or very clever.

At least with Biden, there's no question about that, though he probably
was quite clever in his younger days.

--
Joe

On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 10:39:09 +0100
Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:

> On 25/08/2023 22:54, Tim Streater wrote:
> > Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump
> > pose like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there
> > until he:
> >
> > 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely
> > 2) Faced the camera with a neutral expression rather than a Mr
> > Toughguy one
> >
> > He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face
> > a camera - and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they
> > were in charge and should have stopped him and held him there until
> > he stopped posing.
>
> Don't you think that most of those involved are Trump supporters?
>
> I just had a conversation with a friend from the USA the other day -
> he said that it was just so embarrassing to come from a country where
> nearly half of his fellow citizens supported someone like that.
>
>

I think it's more the case than half his fellow citizens don't feel
that they can survive another Democrat government.

“If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no
candidates and no measures you want to vote for ... but there are
certain to be ones you want to vote against. In case of doubt, vote
against. By this rule you will rarely go wrong.”

R A Heinlein

--
Joe

On 26/08/2023 in message <kktvhtF5ju1U1@mid.individual.net> Clive Page
wrote:

>I just had a conversation with a friend from the USA the other day - he
>said that it was just so embarrassing to come from a country where nearly
>half of his fellow citizens supported someone like that.

That seems to be more and more common behaviour in many things. The
Scottish referendum and the Brexit referendum produced results that were
very close to a tie and caused heated arguments about which side were less
intelligent/more gullible than the other which continue to this day.

UK general elections seem to produce a result with close to 40% support
for each of Labour/Conservative and the result decided by the other 20%.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Those are my principles – and if you don’t like them, well, I have
others.
(Groucho Marx)

On 26/08/2023 10:39, Clive Page wrote:
> On 25/08/2023 22:54, Tim Streater wrote:
>> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump
>> pose like
>> that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until he:
>>
>> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely
>> 2) Faced the camera with a neutral expression rather than a Mr
>> Toughguy one
>>
>> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
>> camera -
>> and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in charge and
>> should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped posing.
>
> Don't you think that most of those involved are Trump supporters?
>
> I just had a conversation with a friend from the USA the other day - he
> said that it was just so embarrassing to come from a country where
> nearly half of his fellow citizens supported someone like that.

Not embarrassing at all. Any more than a majority voted for Nigel
Farage, Its only embarrassing if you believe the propaganda

--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On 26/08/2023 10:39, Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 10:14:01 +0100
> "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The trouble with Trump in power is that he can be
>> dangerous to the country as he is so divisive.
>
> Really? People said that Trump being elected caused great division in
> the country. He didn't: the election, and all the fraud surrounding it,
> simply showed that a great division already existed. Clinton's 'basket
> of deplorables' speech came before the election, not after it.
>
Precisely the same divisive tactics used by the Remoaner minority.
The Left aren't very bright sometimes

>> There is no grey area

That's how the left want to make it. Worth or terf

--
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― Confucius

On 26-Aug-23 10:39, Clive Page wrote:
> On 25/08/2023 22:54, Tim Streater wrote:
>> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump
>> pose like
>> that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until he:
>>
>> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely
>> 2) Faced the camera with a neutral expression rather than a Mr
>> Toughguy one
>>
>> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
>> camera -
>> and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in charge and
>> should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped posing.
>
> Don't you think that most of those involved are Trump supporters?
>
> I just had a conversation with a friend from the USA the other day - he
> said that it was just so embarrassing to come from a country where
> nearly half of his fellow citizens supported someone like that.

You have just reminded me that I started to take an interest in US
politics, as a way of avoiding having to think about the train-crash
that is Brexit.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 26/08/2023 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> the train-crash that is Brexit.
On which planet is this?

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always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

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In message <ucescm$12gnp$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 26/08/2023 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> the train-crash that is Brexit.
>On which planet is this?
>
Ours, I'm afraid - but fortunately for the RoW, only a very small part
of it.
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

On 27/08/2023 08:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
> In message <ucescm$12gnp$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>> On 26/08/2023 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> the train-crash that is Brexit.
>> On which planet is this?
>>
> Ours, I'm afraid - but fortunately for the RoW, only a very small part
> of it.

classic example of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

Compared with the rest of the EU the UK is doing rather well, despite
efforts of remoaners to destroy the country to prove they were right
after all.
--
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

In article <ucf0ak$133vn$1@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 27/08/2023 08:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > In message <ucescm$12gnp$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> > <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
> >> On 26/08/2023 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>> the train-crash that is Brexit.
> >> On which planet is this?
> >>
> > Ours, I'm afraid - but fortunately for the RoW, only a very small part
> > of it.

> classic example of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

> Compared with the rest of the EU the UK is doing rather well, despite
> efforts of remoaners to destroy the country to prove they were right
> after all.

please find a quote for your optimism.

--
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On 27/08/2023 10:08, charles wrote:
> In article <ucf0ak$133vn$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 27/08/2023 08:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>> In message <ucescm$12gnp$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>> On 26/08/2023 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> the train-crash that is Brexit.
>>>> On which planet is this?
>>>>
>>> Ours, I'm afraid - but fortunately for the RoW, only a very small part
>>> of it.
>
>> classic example of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
>
>> Compared with the rest of the EU the UK is doing rather well, despite
>> efforts of remoaners to destroy the country to prove they were right
>> after all.
>
> please find a quote for your optimism.
>

I don't need a quote to know that daylight will come tomorrow morning

You spend too much time absorbing the carefully crafted bullshit of
people who feel extremely threatened by a popular movement that
distrusts the political elite.

--
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

― Confucius

In article <ucf6qu$146h9$1@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 27/08/2023 10:08, charles wrote:
> > In article <ucf0ak$133vn$1@dont-email.me>,
> > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 27/08/2023 08:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >>> In message <ucescm$12gnp$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> >>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
> >>>> On 26/08/2023 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>>> the train-crash that is Brexit.
> >>>> On which planet is this?
> >>>>
> >>> Ours, I'm afraid - but fortunately for the RoW, only a very small part
> >>> of it.
> >
> >> classic example of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
> >
> >> Compared with the rest of the EU the UK is doing rather well, despite
> >> efforts of remoaners to destroy the country to prove they were right
> >> after all.
> >
> > please find a quote for your optimism.
> >

> I don't need a quote to know that daylight will come tomorrow morning

> You spend too much time absorbing the carefully crafted bullshit of
> people who feel extremely threatened by a popular movement that
> distrusts the political elite.

like the business community?

--
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 10:59:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 27/08/2023 10:08, charles wrote:
>> In article <ucf0ak$133vn$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2023 08:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>> In message <ucescm$12gnp$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>>> On 26/08/2023 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>> the train-crash that is Brexit.
>>>>> On which planet is this?
>>>>>
>>>> Ours, I'm afraid - but fortunately for the RoW, only a very small part
>>>> of it.
>>
>>> classic example of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
>>
>>> Compared with the rest of the EU the UK is doing rather well, despite
>>> efforts of remoaners to destroy the country to prove they were right
>>> after all.
>>
>> please find a quote for your optimism.
>>
>
>I don't need a quote to know that daylight will come tomorrow morning
>
>You spend too much time absorbing the carefully crafted bullshit of
>people who feel extremely threatened by a popular movement that
>distrusts the political elite.

Stupid gammon twat.

On 10:08 27 Aug 2023, charles said:

> In article <ucf0ak$133vn$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 27/08/2023 08:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> > In message <ucescm$12gnp$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>> > <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>> >> On 26/08/2023 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> >>> the train-crash that is Brexit.
>> >> On which planet is this?
>> >>
>> > Ours, I'm afraid - but fortunately for the RoW, only a very small
>> > part of it.
>
>> classic example of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
>
>> Compared with the rest of the EU the UK is doing rather well,
>> despite efforts of remoaners to destroy the country to prove they
>> were right after all.
>
> please find a quote for your optimism.

Probably the Daily Express.

On 25 Aug 2023, Tim Streater wrote

> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting
> Trump pose like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him
> there until he:
>
> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely
> 2) Faced the camera with a neutral expression rather than a Mr
> Toughguy one
>
> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to
> face a camera - and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But
> they were in charge and should have stopped him and held him there
> until he stopped posing.

Each to his own, but I'm surprised that you think that pose is
successful. I thought he looked like a sulky 14-year-old who's
practising his "tough guy" look in front of his bedrooom mirror, and
failing to get it right.

I suppose it may please his followers, but at this stage they've taken
enough KoolAid to think he can do no wrong.

(What a weird country that is.)

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 18:19:12 +0100, HVS wrote:

> On 25 Aug 2023, Tim Streater wrote
>
>> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump
>> pose like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until
>> he:
>>
>> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely 2) Faced the camera
>> with a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one
>>
>> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
>> camera - and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in
>> charge and should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped
>> posing.
>
> Each to his own, but I'm surprised that you think that pose is
> successful.
> I thought he looked like a sulky 14-year-old who's practising his
> "tough
> guy" look in front of his bedrooom mirror, and failing to get it right.

My immediate comment was "rebellious child".

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On 27/08/2023 13:08, charles wrote:
> In article <ucf6qu$146h9$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 27/08/2023 10:08, charles wrote:
>>> In article <ucf0ak$133vn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2023 08:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>>> In message <ucescm$12gnp$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>>>> On 26/08/2023 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>> the train-crash that is Brexit.
>>>>>> On which planet is this?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ours, I'm afraid - but fortunately for the RoW, only a very small part
>>>>> of it.
>>>
>>>> classic example of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
>>>
>>>> Compared with the rest of the EU the UK is doing rather well, despite
>>>> efforts of remoaners to destroy the country to prove they were right
>>>> after all.
>>>
>>> please find a quote for your optimism.
>>>
>
>> I don't need a quote to know that daylight will come tomorrow morning
>
>> You spend too much time absorbing the carefully crafted bullshit of
>> people who feel extremely threatened by a popular movement that
>> distrusts the political elite.
>
> like the business community?
>
Exactly. Like the BIG business community.

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On 27 Aug 2023 at 19:13:33 BST, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 18:19:12 +0100, HVS wrote:
>
>> On 25 Aug 2023, Tim Streater wrote
>>
>>> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump
>>> pose like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until
>>> he:
>>>
>>> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely 2) Faced the camera
>>> with a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one
>>>
>>> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
>>> camera - and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in
>>> charge and should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped
>>> posing.
>>
>> Each to his own, but I'm surprised that you think that pose is successful.
>> I thought he looked like a sulky 14-year-old who's practising his
>> "tough guy" look in front of his bedrooom mirror, and failing to get it right.
>
> My immediate comment was "rebellious child".

Must be why, according to the Beeb, Dumbo's mugshot printed onto, er, mugs,
tea towels, etc, has already brought him in $7.1Million. The pose is
successful for Trump's target audience and they are lapping it up. I think you
two need to learn that other people might have perspectives that differ from
your own, and look at the situation from those perspectives. Not that you have
to agree with them of course.

--
"Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever, and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel. I want to know what the evidence shows." -- Richard Dawkins

On 27-Aug-23 22:13, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 27 Aug 2023 at 19:13:33 BST, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 18:19:12 +0100, HVS wrote:
>>
>>> On 25 Aug 2023, Tim Streater wrote
>>>
>>>> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump
>>>> pose like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until
>>>> he:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely 2) Faced the camera
>>>> with a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one
>>>>
>>>> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
>>>> camera - and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in
>>>> charge and should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped
>>>> posing.
>>>
>>> Each to his own, but I'm surprised that you think that pose is successful.
>>> I thought he looked like a sulky 14-year-old who's practising his
>>> "tough guy" look in front of his bedrooom mirror, and failing to get it right.
>>
>> My immediate comment was "rebellious child".
>
> Must be why, according to the Beeb, Dumbo's mugshot printed onto, er, mugs,
> tea towels, etc, has already brought him in $7.1Million. The pose is
> successful for Trump's target audience and they are lapping it up. I think you
> two need to learn that other people might have perspectives that differ from
> your own, and look at the situation from those perspectives. Not that you have
> to agree with them of course.
>
That may be true.
His enthralled followers will swallow anything and everything he says or
does, but there seems to be a finite number of them and that seems not
to be growing.

That said, he still looks as though he has been sent to the naughty step
and told to think about what he has done wrong.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 27 Aug 2023 at 23:05:40 BST, "Sam Plusnet" <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 27-Aug-23 22:13, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 27 Aug 2023 at 19:13:33 BST, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 18:19:12 +0100, HVS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25 Aug 2023, Tim Streater wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump
>>>>> pose like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until
>>>>> he:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely 2) Faced the camera
>>>>> with a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one
>>>>>
>>>>> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
>>>>> camera - and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in
>>>>> charge and should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped
>>>>> posing.
>>>>
>>>> Each to his own, but I'm surprised that you think that pose is successful.
>>>> I thought he looked like a sulky 14-year-old who's practising his
>>>> "tough guy" look in front of his bedrooom mirror, and failing to get it
>>>> right.
>>>
>>> My immediate comment was "rebellious child".
>>
>> Must be why, according to the Beeb, Dumbo's mugshot printed onto, er, mugs,
>> tea towels, etc, has already brought him in $7.1Million. The pose is
>> successful for Trump's target audience and they are lapping it up. I think you
>> two need to learn that other people might have perspectives that differ from
>> your own, and look at the situation from those perspectives. Not that you have
>> to agree with them of course.
>>
> That may be true. His enthralled followers will swallow anything and everything
> he says or does, but there seems to be a finite number of them and that seems
> not
> to be growing.

ISTM that one might stop to consider *why* these people exist. and then
realise that they've been abandoned by the elites of both major US parties.
Trump is the only one who'll give them the time of day.

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