On Monday, 28 August 2023 at 10:50:52 UTC+1, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 28/08/2023 10:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > On 27/08/2023 23:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >> That may be true. His enthralled followers will swallow anything and
> >> everything he says or does, but there seems to be a finite number of
> >> them and that seems not to be growing.
> >>
> >
> > It is so ironic that that comment applies exactly to the Democrat
> > diaspora. About their whole movement, rather than a particular persona...
> >
> >> That said, he still looks as though he has been sent to the naughty
> >> step and told to think about what he has done wrong.
> >
> > I don't think his supporters see it that way: they see a deliberately
> > engineered legal case designed to stop him running for office.
> It doesn't seem to be stopping him from running for office. What I
> wonder, though, is what happens if he actually becomes President again
> before the various trials are completed.

I heard new hampshire wants to take him odd the reigistar of contenders of whatever it's called.
But they first have to prove he tried to overturn the election.
Which if proved they can remove him sighting the 14th Amendment section 3

>It was established in the Nixon
> era that a President cannot pardon himself, so, do the trials continue
> or are they put on hold until the end of his term? If they do continue,
> what happens if a serving President is sentenced to jail?
>
>
> --
> Colin Bignell

On Sunday, 27 August 2023 at 22:14:01 UTC+1, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 27 Aug 2023 at 19:13:33 BST, "Bob Eager" <news...@eager.cx> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 18:19:12 +0100, HVS wrote:
> >
> >> On 25 Aug 2023, Tim Streater wrote
> >>
> >>> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump
> >>> pose like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until
> >>> he:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely 2) Faced the camera
> >>> with a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one
> >>>
> >>> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
> >>> camera - and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in
> >>> charge and should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped
> >>> posing.
> >>
> >> Each to his own, but I'm surprised that you think that pose is successful.
> >> I thought he looked like a sulky 14-year-old who's practising his
> >> "tough guy" look in front of his bedrooom mirror, and failing to get it right.
> >
> > My immediate comment was "rebellious child".
> Must be why, according to the Beeb, Dumbo's mugshot printed onto, er, mugs,
> tea towels, etc, has already brought him in $7.1Million. The pose is
> successful for Trump's target audience and they are lapping it up.

I do find it strange but american are far more icon driven than the UK.
They have flags in their garden etc.

> I think you
> two need to learn that other people might have perspectives that differ from
> your own, and look at the situation from those perspectives. Not that you have
> to agree with them of course.

I wonder if that(trump posed) image is trademarked, and if printed on toilet paper
would bring in campaign money for the democrats if they had the guts to do such a thing, they always seem a little weak
and clueless on how to win.

I'd have bought liz truss toilet paper ;-D

>
> --
> "Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever, and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel. I want to know what the evidence shows." -- Richard Dawkins

On 30/08/2023 13:37, whisky-dave wrote:
> On Sunday, 27 August 2023 at 22:14:01 UTC+1, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 27 Aug 2023 at 19:13:33 BST, "Bob Eager" <news...@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 18:19:12 +0100, HVS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25 Aug 2023, Tim Streater wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Or not. What were those fools at the Jail thinking of letting Trump
>>>>> pose like that for his mugshot? They should have kept him there until
>>>>> he:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Held his head up to face the camera squarely 2) Faced the camera
>>>>> with a neutral expression rather than a Mr Toughguy one
>>>>>
>>>>> He's obviously either a natural or had some training in how to face a
>>>>> camera - and the klods at the jail fell right into it. But they were in
>>>>> charge and should have stopped him and held him there until he stopped
>>>>> posing.
>>>>
>>>> Each to his own, but I'm surprised that you think that pose is successful.
>>>> I thought he looked like a sulky 14-year-old who's practising his
>>>> "tough guy" look in front of his bedrooom mirror, and failing to get it right.
>>>
>>> My immediate comment was "rebellious child".
>> Must be why, according to the Beeb, Dumbo's mugshot printed onto, er, mugs,
>> tea towels, etc, has already brought him in $7.1Million. The pose is
>> successful for Trump's target audience and they are lapping it up.
>
> I do find it strange but american are far more icon driven than the UK.
> They have flags in their garden etc.

The flag is one of the few enduring symbols of nationality they have.

>
>> I think you
>> two need to learn that other people might have perspectives that differ from
>> your own, and look at the situation from those perspectives. Not that you have
>> to agree with them of course.
>
> I wonder if that(trump posed) image is trademarked, and if printed on toilet paper
> would bring in campaign money for the democrats if they had the guts to do such a thing, they always seem a little weak
> and clueless on how to win.
>
> I'd have bought liz truss toilet paper ;-D

A T shirt with a picture of Trump's face (not the mug shot) behind bars
is about half the price of the one with his mug shot on. I am almost
tempted, but think I am more likely to buy the one that reads 'It's
weird being the same age as old people'.

>
>
>>
>> --
>> "Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever, and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel. I want to know what the evidence shows." -- Richard Dawkins

--
Colin Bignell

On 30/08/2023 in message
<08e50a30-c005-46e2-aa96-da203f60f5dan@googlegroups.com> whisky-dave wrote:

>I do find it strange but american are far more icon driven than the UK.
>They have flags in their garden etc.

I have always put that down to naivete or immaturity.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.

>
> I wonder if that(trump posed) image is trademarked, and if printed on toilet paper
> would bring in campaign money for the democrats if they had the guts to do such a thing, they always seem a little weak
> and clueless on how to win.
>
> I'd have bought liz truss toilet paper ;-D

lettuce leaves would be cheaper, fresher, longer lasting, greener,
natural, organic, biodegradeable and enivronmentally friendlier than
toilet paper!

>> "Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever, and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel. I want to know what the evidence shows." -- Richard Dawkins

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 07:38:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 28/08/2023 17:36, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 28 Aug 2023 at 16:45:01 BST, "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Possibly among the faithful, but he still only gets a 25% popularity
>>> rating, compared to Biden's 38%, while a recent poll showed that 61% of
>>> adult Americans do not want him to serve another term as President. He
>>> might be favourite to win the nomination of his party, but it looks as
>>> though that would be likely to lead to his party losing the election by
>>> several points.
>>
>> Well, lets hope so. Personally I'm not that bothered about how a US President
>> behaves in terms of domestic policy. But foreign policy is another matter. We
>> had Obama being weak about chemical weapons usage in Syria, we have Trump
>> looking a bit flakey concerning Ukraine. The last thing the world needs is an
>> isolationist president at this particular juncture.
>>
>Well we had Biden just pull the plug on Afghanistan,

The timing could have been better but he was merely implementing the
terms of Trump's capitulation to the Taliban.

>and encourage Putin
>to invade Ukraine.

Putin didn't need any encouragement. Even Republicans knew years
before what his intentions were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLAzeHnNgR8

Remarkable prescience. It's a pity there aren't more Republicans like
him these days.

Putin only held back because he was waiting to see how far Trump (his
"useful idiot" in Washington) could weaken Ukraine and, more
importantly, destabilise NATO.

>
>The majority of the USA supports Ukraine.

Let's hope they vote accordingly.

On 29 Aug 2023 at 07:38:01 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 28/08/2023 17:36, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 28 Aug 2023 at 16:45:01 BST, "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Possibly among the faithful, but he still only gets a 25% popularity
>>> rating, compared to Biden's 38%, while a recent poll showed that 61% of
>>> adult Americans do not want him to serve another term as President. He
>>> might be favourite to win the nomination of his party, but it looks as
>>> though that would be likely to lead to his party losing the election by
>>> several points.
>>
>> Well, lets hope so. Personally I'm not that bothered about how a US President
>> behaves in terms of domestic policy. But foreign policy is another matter. We
>> had Obama being weak about chemical weapons usage in Syria, we have Trump
>> looking a bit flakey concerning Ukraine. The last thing the world needs is an
>> isolationist president at this particular juncture.
>>
> Well we had Biden just pull the plug on Afghanistan, and encourage Putin
> to invade Ukraine.

I know. That's why I'm not that sanguine about the future.

--
Tim